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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?"
They cannot do that though. They have no ability to make sovereign decisions because the EU dictates what they must do.
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over a year ago
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"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?"
Hopefully most of them  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?
Hopefully most of them "
Fingers crossed, but as you have highlighted, we have to return the favour |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But it has to be bilateral Where did you read that? as i cant find any reference to them saying so just that they were very worried about their tourism."
I think it's only fair, don't you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But it has to be bilateral
Where did you read that? as i cant find any reference to them saying so just that they were very worried about their tourism."
Sorry, I didn't make it clear
I didn't read it anywhere, it's my own opinion and it may assist other countries to replicate as well |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right?  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? "
Good point |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? "
It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?"
this post made me laugh out laugh....
so basically you want the benefits of being in the EU but without being in the EU!!!
happy for them to take our old folks... but don't want their young people coming her and working!
talk about having cake and eating it!!!! |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?
this post made me laugh out laugh....
so basically you want the benefits of being in the EU but without being in the EU!!!
happy for them to take our old folks... but don't want their young people coming her and working!
talk about having cake and eating it!!!!"
Sort of debunks your myths of a year ago _abio no flights, big queues i said all along these poor eu countries cannot afford to lose their tourism they are putting their country 1st and i applaud them. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Sort of debunks your myths of a year ago _abio no flights, big queues i said all along these poor eu countries cannot afford to lose their tourism they are putting their country 1st and i applaud them."
actually the E111 stuff actually is a red herring....because all it will do is allow uk patients to be treated in portugal on the expense of the NHS, because the other alternative would have been for all those UK ex-pats to come up here and have to be treated by the NHS...
i know i wouldn want an ex-pat to come back meaning any treatment you may need to be delayed......
the E111 stuff means you not saving a single penny (unless you are saying portgual's healthcare system is more cost effective than the NHS)
is that what you are saying Costa?????
oh.... and speaking of tourism, actually i wonder if the new "work permit" rules that priti has set out will come back to bite ... because i cant see the portugese for example calling "holiday reps" high skilled workers.....
you know.... "tit for tat"..... (20 point on the work permit scheme for being able to speak the native language well)
anyway.... to answer your question....
a) transition period.......
b) if you want to know what your real post EU world will look like... wait till jan 1st if there is no deal
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If they stopped providing treatment in Portugal for brits their would be a big loss in the revenue to their health system as they re charge the U.K. for any treatment provided |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Sort of debunks your myths of a year ago _abio no flights, big queues i said all along these poor eu countries cannot afford to lose their tourism they are putting their country 1st and i applaud them.
actually the E111 stuff actually is a red herring....because all it will do is allow uk patients to be treated in portugal on the expense of the NHS, because the other alternative would have been for all those UK ex-pats to come up here and have to be treated by the NHS...
i know i wouldn want an ex-pat to come back meaning any treatment you may need to be delayed......
the E111 stuff means you not saving a single penny (unless you are saying portgual's healthcare system is more cost effective than the NHS)
is that what you are saying Costa?????
oh.... and speaking of tourism, actually i wonder if the new "work permit" rules that priti has set out will come back to bite ... because i cant see the portugese for example calling "holiday reps" high skilled workers.....
you know.... "tit for tat"..... (20 point on the work permit scheme for being able to speak the native language well)
anyway.... to answer your question....
a) transition period.......
b) if you want to know what your real post EU world will look like... wait till jan 1st if there is no deal
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Actually i said they were looking into the health care that really wasnt the big news.No visas and a fast tract customs for uk passport holders was the news. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment. "
So does it or does it not have sovereignty?
It's terribly confusing? It's almost as if we could have kept hundreds of thousands of non-EU immigrants out of the country for decades but chose not to.
However, as we had surrendered our sovereignty to the EU we couldn't.
Oh...wait  |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment.
So does it or does it not have sovereignty?
It's terribly confusing? It's almost as if we could have kept hundreds of thousands of non-EU immigrants out of the country for decades but chose not to.
However, as we had surrendered our sovereignty to the EU we couldn't.
Oh...wait "
so what you saying you would prefer eu immigrants to non eu? personally i dont think it should be where you come from but what you can bring to the table. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment.
So does it or does it not have sovereignty?
It's terribly confusing? It's almost as if we could have kept hundreds of thousands of non-EU immigrants out of the country for decades but chose not to.
However, as we had surrendered our sovereignty to the EU we couldn't.
Oh...wait so what you saying you would prefer eu immigrants to non eu? personally i dont think it should be where you come from but what you can bring to the table."
No.
I didn't say that at all. I think that you just made something up
All I was pointing out was that we have also had complete freedom over who outside of the EU we could choose to let in or not. Despite having a long running policy to control immigration we chose not to.
We also had control over access to the UK from the newly joined Eastern European countries. We chose to allow free access.
We also had the right to remove EU citizens who were here to do anything other than work or study:
"The right of Union citizens to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance. Students and those completing vocational training also have the right of residence, as do (involuntarily) unemployed persons who have registered as unemployed."
Do you have any evidence to suggest that underqualified EU citizens are doing jobs that non-EU citizens would be doing?
How does this change anything for unqualified British people? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nice to see the uk,s oldest allie is standing by us.No visa required, fast track lanes for uk passport holders at airports and resident brits retain their rights.The government is also looking into a unilateral offer to cover the european health insurance card even in the event of a no deal.They understand the importance of tourism to the country i wonder how many other eu tourist dependent countries will follow suit?"
Imagine how great it would be if all the EU countries followed suit and did the same. Uh hu. Almost like the situation we had before. Hmmm |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment.
So does it or does it not have sovereignty?
It's terribly confusing? It's almost as if we could have kept hundreds of thousands of non-EU immigrants out of the country for decades but chose not to.
However, as we had surrendered our sovereignty to the EU we couldn't.
Oh...wait so what you saying you would prefer eu immigrants to non eu? personally i dont think it should be where you come from but what you can bring to the table.
No.
I didn't say that at all. I think that you just made something up
All I was pointing out was that we have also had complete freedom over who outside of the EU we could choose to let in or not. Despite having a long running policy to control immigration we chose not to.
We also had control over access to the UK from the newly joined Eastern European countries. We chose to allow free access.
We also had the right to remove EU citizens who were here to do anything other than work or study:
"The right of Union citizens to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance. Students and those completing vocational training also have the right of residence, as do (involuntarily) unemployed persons who have registered as unemployed."
Do you have any evidence to suggest that underqualified EU citizens are doing jobs that non-EU citizens would be doing?
How does this change anything for unqualified British people?"
So do you think that for example an unqualified polish car washer should have more of a right to reside in the uk than a doctor from india? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I don't know why you are saying this at all. This cannot possibly happen.
Portugal's throat is under the jackboot of its EU overlords and is not able to take any action on its own. It has surrendered it's sovereignty.
After all, that's one of the main reasons for Brexit, right? It may have surrendered it sovereignty on who it cant keep out but still has a say in who it can let in at the moment.
So does it or does it not have sovereignty?
It's terribly confusing? It's almost as if we could have kept hundreds of thousands of non-EU immigrants out of the country for decades but chose not to.
However, as we had surrendered our sovereignty to the EU we couldn't.
Oh...wait so what you saying you would prefer eu immigrants to non eu? personally i dont think it should be where you come from but what you can bring to the table.
No.
I didn't say that at all. I think that you just made something up
All I was pointing out was that we have also had complete freedom over who outside of the EU we could choose to let in or not. Despite having a long running policy to control immigration we chose not to.
We also had control over access to the UK from the newly joined Eastern European countries. We chose to allow free access.
We also had the right to remove EU citizens who were here to do anything other than work or study:
"The right of Union citizens to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance. Students and those completing vocational training also have the right of residence, as do (involuntarily) unemployed persons who have registered as unemployed."
Do you have any evidence to suggest that underqualified EU citizens are doing jobs that non-EU citizens would be doing?
How does this change anything for unqualified British people?So do you think that for example an unqualified polish car washer should have more of a right to reside in the uk than a doctor from india?"
If he was washing cars I think the Polish gentleman would be the most appropriate of the two. Certainly so if there was a shortage of people to wash cars.
What do you think?
What would be your view be on choosing between a Polish car washer and an Indian car washer? Alternatively between an Indian doctor and a Polish doctor?
That is an appropriate comparison.
All freedom of movement did was reduce the cost and bureaucracy of employing people from the EU. Now it will just cost more to employ everyone from abroad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the comparison holds good.
What we have at the moment is say the need of 10 doctors and 1 car washer but what we actually have is 10 EU car washers and only 1 doctor from outside the EU
That's the comparison I believe |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I think the comparison holds good.
What we have at the moment is say the need of 10 doctors and 1 car washer but what we actually have is 10 EU car washers and only 1 doctor from outside the EU
That's the comparison I believe "
No. We also have a very large number of EU doctors and nurses. Had you not noticed that we also have a large number of Indian doctors too?
Of 1000 NHS staff 869 are British, 55 EU, 44 Asian, 21 African, 11 Elsewhere.
Once again, all that will happen is that it becomes equally hard to recruit EU staff.
The actual problem is not training more British staff and UK trained staff leaving to Canada and Australia for better working conditions.
Overall there are more immigrants from the rest of the world than the EU (which is 27 countries). This has not changed despite the "promises". Are you saying that the non-EU foreign born taxi drivers and cleaners have a visa sue to their high-value skills?
The "comparison" is typical of the Daily Mail. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the comparison holds good.
What we have at the moment is say the need of 10 doctors and 1 car washer but what we actually have is 10 EU car washers and only 1 doctor from outside the EU
That's the comparison I believe
No. We also have a very large number of EU doctors and nurses. Had you not noticed that we also have a large number of Indian doctors too?
Of 1000 NHS staff 869 are British, 55 EU, 44 Asian, 21 African, 11 Elsewhere.
Once again, all that will happen is that it becomes equally hard to recruit EU staff.
The actual problem is not training more British staff and UK trained staff leaving to Canada and Australia for better working conditions.
Overall there are more immigrants from the rest of the world than the EU (which is 27 countries). This has not changed despite the "promises". Are you saying that the non-EU foreign born taxi drivers and cleaners have a visa sue to their high-value skills?
The "comparison" is typical of the Daily Mail."
That's your opinion but I think you're wrong |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I think the comparison holds good.
What we have at the moment is say the need of 10 doctors and 1 car washer but what we actually have is 10 EU car washers and only 1 doctor from outside the EU
That's the comparison I believe
No. We also have a very large number of EU doctors and nurses. Had you not noticed that we also have a large number of Indian doctors too?
Of 1000 NHS staff 869 are British, 55 EU, 44 Asian, 21 African, 11 Elsewhere.
Once again, all that will happen is that it becomes equally hard to recruit EU staff.
The actual problem is not training more British staff and UK trained staff leaving to Canada and Australia for better working conditions.
Overall there are more immigrants from the rest of the world than the EU (which is 27 countries). This has not changed despite the "promises". Are you saying that the non-EU foreign born taxi drivers and cleaners have a visa sue to their high-value skills?
The "comparison" is typical of the Daily Mail.
That's your opinion but I think you're wrong "
What am I wrong about, specifically?
The data is not my opinion. There are more non-EU than EU NHS employees and the same is true of the wider economy.
There is not enough investment in training because it is cheaper to get trained foreigners.
There is a high level of emigration of skilled UK trained workers. Particularly in health and engineering.
The change in immigration rules doesn't make it easier for foreign workers to come to the UK. It just makes it harder for EU ones.
Happy to debate, but please actually debate as that is far more interesting than unsubstantiated opinion. |
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