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By *ary_Argyll OP Man over a year ago

Argyll

Apparently the government expects a Fisheries deal between the UK and EU by this July - given fisheries is quite a contentious issue, how much chance of getting an agreement in about five-six months is there?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Apparently the government expects a Fisheries deal between the UK and EU by this July - given fisheries is quite a contentious issue, how much chance of getting an agreement in about five-six months is there?"

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

The alternative is the UK government buying back all of the licenses sold by British fishermen over the years. The government arbitrarily seizing private assets makes investors nervous. Then massive subsidies for UK fishermen (or companies) to by ships that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets."

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule."
Have to agree with you but you must have noticed on here that certain people on here seem to be an expert on every subject.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.Have to agree with you but you must have noticed on here that certain people on here seem to be an expert on every subject.

Also true.

But maybe they are! Who knows

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Also true.

But maybe they are! Who knows "
Only they do.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

No new fishing vessel licences are created and there are a limited number of licences in circulation. The only way you can get a licence is by transferring an existing one to your vessel. You need a licence entitlement to do this.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Why make an oblique reference about me?

Why not just address me directly?

I will write about something that I have some knowledge about.

That's from either research or professional knowledge.

I try to loom at primary data, which means research papers or reports or polling data.

If it's a topic that interests me then I want to know the actual information.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The common fisheries policy is grossly unfair to the UK fishing industry and I for one will be shouting from the rooftops along with the coastal UK fishing communities, when we are free of it

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By *oopaandchampersCouple over a year ago

St Johns

Licences were issued in the 90's based on your landings and the type of fishing that you engaged in. the size of your license was based on hp of your engine/ engines length of vessel and tonnage no more were issued... and they are for life ...retiring skippers are allowed to sell them on....many are worth big money..they cost 50 pounds when issued.. I fished from 80 to 96 and earned very well from it. I wonder if the French would share all there prime vineyards with us ..after all they want to share our fishing grounds in our waters.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website.""
Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Why make an oblique reference about me?

Why not just address me directly?

I will write about something that I have some knowledge about.

That's from either research or professional knowledge.

I try to loom at primary data, which means research papers or reports or polling data.

If it's a topic that interests me then I want to know the actual information.

I so not think that I am an expert on every subject, but if I am able to express an opinion on a broader range of subjects and provide the information to back it up with then you can criticise me all you wish, but personal criticising me for it is just a demonstration of annoyance. It does not add any information to the question being asked."
You taking that my post was about you shows a demonstration of annoyance.I can assure you no one on here annoys me i would have to care to feel that.If you take it as a personal attack on you i think that says more about you than me.You dont have to be a genius to work out after a few weeks who are the self appointed experts on every subject no more than it does to work out the multiple profiles who back up their own views.This forum is good for a bit of banter with people who for the most part are not who they portray themselves to be and it amuses me.

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By *osweet69Couple over a year ago

portsmouth

I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The common fisheries policy is grossly unfair to the UK fishing industry and I for one will be shouting from the rooftops along with the coastal UK fishing communities, when we are free of it "

Why is it unfair and how much of that is due to the EU and how much due to UK policy?

As I understood it the UK has allowed most of its licences to be sold to large UK registered companies, whereas countries like France and Norway reserve a large proportion for smaller boats.

Something like five companies control almost 40% of UK quotas.

Quotas would be necessary regardless of EU membership to maintain fish stocks.

The UK chose to sell quotas on the open market so if they are owned by foreign companies it's no different to Jaguar Land Rover or Cobham or Cadbury's.

That was our choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats. "

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. "
If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp"

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

Perhaps there is a time limit, but on looking a bit deeper it's not the license for the vessel that is relevant, it's ownership of the quota allocation that matters. That can be bought or leased from the owner but are privately owned, not licensed. Just like a property.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?"

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule."

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Why make an oblique reference about me?

Why not just address me directly?

I will write about something that I have some knowledge about.

That's from either research or professional knowledge.

I try to loom at primary data, which means research papers or reports or polling data.

If it's a topic that interests me then I want to know the actual information.

I so not think that I am an expert on every subject, but if I am able to express an opinion on a broader range of subjects and provide the information to back it up with then you can criticise me all you wish, but personal criticising me for it is just a demonstration of annoyance. It does not add any information to the question being asked.You taking that my post was about you shows a demonstration of annoyance.I can assure you no one on here annoys me i would have to care to feel that.If you take it as a personal attack on you i think that says more about you than me.You dont have to be a genius to work out after a few weeks who are the self appointed experts on every subject no more than it does to work out the multiple profiles who back up their own views.This forum is good for a bit of banter with people who for the most part are not who they portray themselves to be and it amuses me.

It is disengenuous to pretend that it was about someone else. Why the pretence that you are making a general point? Up to you of course.

Once again, it doesn't actually require expertise, it just requires some time spent in researching a point of interest using something other than newspaper articles even though they may be a useful starting point. It also means distinguishing between reasonably reliable data and opinion and speculation.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or they believed Nigel "can't be arsed to turn up to the Fisheries commission sessions" Farage. And his horse shit.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Why make an oblique reference about me?

Why not just address me directly?

I will write about something that I have some knowledge about.

That's from either research or professional knowledge.

I try to loom at primary data, which means research papers or reports or polling data.

If it's a topic that interests me then I want to know the actual information.

I so not think that I am an expert on every subject, but if I am able to express an opinion on a broader range of subjects and provide the information to back it up with then you can criticise me all you wish, but personal criticising me for it is just a demonstration of annoyance. It does not add any information to the question being asked.You taking that my post was about you shows a demonstration of annoyance.I can assure you no one on here annoys me i would have to care to feel that.If you take it as a personal attack on you i think that says more about you than me.You dont have to be a genius to work out after a few weeks who are the self appointed experts on every subject no more than it does to work out the multiple profiles who back up their own views.This forum is good for a bit of banter with people who for the most part are not who they portray themselves to be and it amuses me.

It is disengenuous to pretend that it was about someone else. Why the pretence that you are making a general point? Up to you of course.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Licences were issued in the 90's based on your landings and the type of fishing that you engaged in. the size of your license was based on hp of your engine/ engines length of vessel and tonnage no more were issued... and they are for life ...retiring skippers are allowed to sell them on....many are worth big money..they cost 50 pounds when issued.. I fished from 80 to 96 and earned very well from it. I wonder if the French would share all there prime vineyards with us ..after all they want to share our fishing grounds in our waters."

Vineyards aren't planted in one field, grow in a different field and harvested in another though are they?

There have been centuries of agreements over fishing though. The problem arose with industrial scale over fishing which required controls to maintain fish stocks.

That won't change inside or outside the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

Okay. So maybe not far right. But you sure seem angry and confused, and you're falling on the wrong side of every discussion. Soooo.... If she shoe fits.

And should we pay more attention to either

A. An angry man who insults people using reason, information and fact based arguments.

B. People who use reason, information and fact based arguments?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

Otherwise it is an arbitrary process and, quite rightly, open to legal challenge.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

Why make an oblique reference about me?

Why not just address me directly?

I will write about something that I have some knowledge about.

That's from either research or professional knowledge.

I try to loom at primary data, which means research papers or reports or polling data.

If it's a topic that interests me then I want to know the actual information.

I so not think that I am an expert on every subject, but if I am able to express an opinion on a broader range of subjects and provide the information to back it up with then you can criticise me all you wish, but personal criticising me for it is just a demonstration of annoyance. It does not add any information to the question being asked.You taking that my post was about you shows a demonstration of annoyance.I can assure you no one on here annoys me i would have to care to feel that.If you take it as a personal attack on you i think that says more about you than me.You dont have to be a genius to work out after a few weeks who are the self appointed experts on every subject no more than it does to work out the multiple profiles who back up their own views.This forum is good for a bit of banter with people who for the most part are not who they portray themselves to be and it amuses me.

It is disengenuous to pretend that it was about someone else. Why the pretence that you are making a general point? Up to you of course.

Why are you spending time insulting me? What benefit to you get from it?

Have you noticed that I have not done the same?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

Okay. So maybe not far right. But you sure seem angry and confused, and you're falling on the wrong side of every discussion. Soooo.... If she shoe fits.

And should we pay more attention to either

A. An angry man who insults people using reason, information and fact based arguments.

B. People who use reason, information and fact based arguments?"

Who gets to choose the right and wrong side of every discussion? You? Crack on kid... As for being 'angry'.... You can't wipe the smile from my face today having read your 'fact based' bullshit arguements. I just enjoy winding you folks up... Passes the time at work so thanks people

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Non of the more Brexity press seem to have written anything very well researched on this so I'll have to post the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/31/myth-brexit-bonanza-uk-fishing-exposed-no-deal

There is also an interesting article by Greenpeace in Unearthed where they have traced ownership.

The point remains that most of the hardship brought about on the UK fishing industry has been brought about by UK government policy, not the EU.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

Otherwise it is an arbitrary process and, quite rightly, open to legal challenge."
I really dont see how that works the quota comes with the license you pay for the licence the quotas are not fixed they are changed when the eu deem they need to for eg if there are a glut of say mackerel one year the next they will raise the quota and visa versa if stocks go down that was what the quota system was designed for.You dont own the quota as you never know what it is.This is all irreverent anyway as we will be out of this system after transition and cease to exist in uk waters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

Okay. So maybe not far right. But you sure seem angry and confused, and you're falling on the wrong side of every discussion. Soooo.... If she shoe fits.

And should we pay more attention to either

A. An angry man who insults people using reason, information and fact based arguments.

B. People who use reason, information and fact based arguments?

Brilliant.

Again, if it makes you feel better to ridicule people for learning about what's going on in the world around them instead of eating the shit sandwich we're being force fed by brexit and the Tories.

Then work away. But it says more about you, than it says about anyone else.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

Otherwise it is an arbitrary process and, quite rightly, open to legal challenge.I really dont see how that works the quota comes with the license you pay for the licence the quotas are not fixed they are changed when the eu deem they need to for eg if there are a glut of say mackerel one year the next they will raise the quota and visa versa if stocks go down that was what the quota system was designed for.You dont own the quota as you never know what it is.This is all irreverent anyway as we will be out of this system after transition and cease to exist in uk waters. "

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or maybe the people in the industry, who know all the rules and regulations inside out, know far more than people who read something on the internet and pretend they are experts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

Okay. So maybe not far right. But you sure seem angry and confused, and you're falling on the wrong side of every discussion. Soooo.... If she shoe fits.

And should we pay more attention to either

A. An angry man who insults people using reason, information and fact based arguments.

B. People who use reason, information and fact based arguments?

Brilliant.

Again, if it makes you feel better to ridicule people for learning about what's going on in the world around them instead of eating the shit sandwich we're being force fed by brexit and the Tories.

Then work away. But it says more about you, than it says about anyone else. "

Never voted tory in my life. Not many of them stand in ulster even if I wanted to. Didn't vote in the brexit shambles because I was at the euros in France. Spoiled my ballot in the December election.

Any more mis-assumptions you want to level?

BTW if you're on the right side of every argument then there is no argument... Just your vacuum space where the only opinion that matters is yours... Says a lot about you mainly... But it's all good chief

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be."
you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

that will not be able to land heir catch I'm the EU so will have to ship them on ice to somewhere else in the world at minimal profit. Also some limit on financial access to EU markets.

good point and well made!

You really are the expert on everything!!

Now get back to mopping G-Wing

I do love how the far right think that being educated on a certain subject is somehow a bad thing and worthy of ridicule.

Far right? I'm a trade unionist of 32 years.

And BTW... You children aren't educated on a certain subject at all.... You guys are educated on EVERYTHING!!

Okay. So maybe not far right. But you sure seem angry and confused, and you're falling on the wrong side of every discussion. Soooo.... If she shoe fits.

And should we pay more attention to either

A. An angry man who insults people using reason, information and fact based arguments.

B. People who use reason, information and fact based arguments?

Brilliant.

Again, if it makes you feel better to ridicule people for learning about what's going on in the world around them instead of eating the shit sandwich we're being force fed by brexit and the Tories.

Then work away. But it says more about you, than it says about anyone else.

Never voted tory in my life. Not many of them stand in ulster even if I wanted to. Didn't vote in the brexit shambles because I was at the euros in France. Spoiled my ballot in the December election.

Any more mis-assumptions you want to level?

If you read what I said. You'll notice the only things I accused you of are being angry and confused.

I can confirm that I don't care what you do on ballot days.

Your last point doesn't make sense. Do you fancy another stab at it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or maybe the people in the industry, who know all the rules and regulations inside out, know far more than people who read something on the internet and pretend they are experts."

And that's all? Did anyone say that he is an expert on something?

People from the industry? It is just beginning to be seen how great their knowledge is

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or maybe the people in the industry, who know all the rules and regulations inside out, know far more than people who read something on the internet and pretend they are experts.

And that's all? Did anyone say that he is an expert on something?

People from the industry? It is just beginning to be seen how great their knowledge is

So people on this thread know more about the fishing industry than those working in the fishing industry

I for one don't and neither does anyone else.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck. "

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

So actually, I haven't moved very far except in detail. British fishermen will not benefit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or maybe the people in the industry, who know all the rules and regulations inside out, know far more than people who read something on the internet and pretend they are experts.

And that's all? Did anyone say that he is an expert on something?

People from the industry? It is just beginning to be seen how great their knowledge is

So people on this thread know more about the fishing industry than those working in the fishing industry

I for one don't and neither does anyone else."

I didn't write anything like that. People in this thread and other threads derive their knowledge from various sources. And it's definitely not the sun

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

So actually, I haven't moved very far except in detail. British fishermen will not benefit."
Fair enough we will find out in the next few months,i see you swallowed the guardians sell out fisherman for financial services opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?

Because they didn't know what they were voting for

Or maybe the people in the industry, who know all the rules and regulations inside out, know far more than people who read something on the internet and pretend they are experts.

And that's all? Did anyone say that he is an expert on something?

People from the industry? It is just beginning to be seen how great their knowledge is

So people on this thread know more about the fishing industry than those working in the fishing industry

I for one don't and neither does anyone else.

I didn't write anything like that. People in this thread and other threads derive their knowledge from various sources. And it's definitely not the sun

Of course, not everyone does that

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

So actually, I haven't moved very far except in detail. British fishermen will not benefit.Fair enough we will find out in the next few months,i see you swallowed the guardians sell out fisherman for financial services opinion. "

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

What more would you like? If you have something please post it.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

What more would you like? If you have something please post it."
As i said we will have to wait and see, personally i dont put any faith in anything the guardian prints and cannot see boris,s taking back control being sold down the river at the 1st negotiation.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"I do hope that the government does not yet again sail our fishermen down the river. We now have a chance to show our fishermen the respect they deserve.

If the EU want our fish we are quite willing to sell them to them but let us catch them with our boats.

Well, we are well on our way to brexiting, and either removing or sticking a big tarriff on sales to the EU of British caught fish. Making up approx 80% of their market.

Brexit is the death knell for the fishing industry in this country. If this is true why did most of uk fishermen vote to leave?"

Probably same reason most others voted to leave. Lack of education combined with believing the lies spun to them by the likes of Farage.

-Matt

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

What more would you like? If you have something please post it.As i said we will have to wait and see, personally i dont put any faith in anything the guardian prints and cannot see boris,s taking back control being sold down the river at the 1st negotiation. "

Are the facts outside the opinion and speculation in the article untrue?

Is information in the Greenpeace investigation untrue?

If not, then what is your path to a benefit to this sector of the UK economy given that our biggest market is the EU? What is the potential win?

BoJo can still claim that "British companies" will benefit but ultimately that does not help the UK industry if the boats are foreign owned and the catch is landed and processed in the EU.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

Are the facts outside the opinion and speculation in the article untrue?

Is information in the Greenpeace investigation untrue?

If not, then what is your path to a benefit to this sector of the UK economy given that our biggest market is the EU? What is the potential win?

BoJo can still claim that "British companies" will benefit but ultimately that does not help the UK industry if the boats are foreign owned and the catch is landed and processed in the EU."
My personal thoughts are that fishing is such a small percentage of gdp we should say to the eu we dont want any eu boats in uk waters we wont be exporting any of our fish to the eu.Lets face it the uk fishing fleet is not that big these days so just catch it for the domestic market.The uk will have plenty of cheaper fish so cutting the meat eating down to please the greens, the kids will benefit from healthy eating lets face it how many families eat fish every week? Im old enough to remember when it was and even the cat ate fresh fish.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

Are the facts outside the opinion and speculation in the article untrue?

Is information in the Greenpeace investigation untrue?

If not, then what is your path to a benefit to this sector of the UK economy given that our biggest market is the EU? What is the potential win?

BoJo can still claim that "British companies" will benefit but ultimately that does not help the UK industry if the boats are foreign owned and the catch is landed and processed in the EU.My personal thoughts are that fishing is such a small percentage of gdp we should say to the eu we dont want any eu boats in uk waters we wont be exporting any of our fish to the eu.Lets face it the uk fishing fleet is not that big these days so just catch it for the domestic market.The uk will have plenty of cheaper fish so cutting the meat eating down to please the greens, the kids will benefit from healthy eating lets face it how many families eat fish every week? Im old enough to remember when it was and even the cat ate fresh fish. "

I can see what you're saying, but nobody then benefits from this.

It actually seems to be just to exclude the EU. However, this low value chip could cost us something of much higher value.

Nothing is isolated.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

Are the facts outside the opinion and speculation in the article untrue?

Is information in the Greenpeace investigation untrue?

If not, then what is your path to a benefit to this sector of the UK economy given that our biggest market is the EU? What is the potential win?

BoJo can still claim that "British companies" will benefit but ultimately that does not help the UK industry if the boats are foreign owned and the catch is landed and processed in the EU.My personal thoughts are that fishing is such a small percentage of gdp we should say to the eu we dont want any eu boats in uk waters we wont be exporting any of our fish to the eu.Lets face it the uk fishing fleet is not that big these days so just catch it for the domestic market.The uk will have plenty of cheaper fish so cutting the meat eating down to please the greens, the kids will benefit from healthy eating lets face it how many families eat fish every week? Im old enough to remember when it was and even the cat ate fresh fish.

I can see what you're saying, but nobody then benefits from this.

It actually seems to be just to exclude the EU. However, this low value chip could cost us something of much higher value.

Nothing is isolated."
Of course they do the fishermen benefit by having more days at sea the government benefit from taxes and the public benefit from having cheap plentiful fresh food and the fish stocks benefit too.Not everything should be about big profits doing the right thing for the citizens you represent should come first.Its not isolation its trading what you want to trade.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

I don't know. Doesn't seem likely in that timescale - but you never can tell.

I don't think Boris can throw the fishermen under the bus, in order to help out the financial services sector, though.

If he did, it would be a massive "Fuck You!" to a lot of people who usually vote Tory.

Is he confident/arrogant enough to do that in the first year of his premiership?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The Level of ignorance on this subject is astounding

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

It's easy. EU vessels will register in the UK and pay some tax but land their fish in the EU where the market for is actually is.

Everyone saves face except the UK fishing industry is thrown under the bus like Northern Ireland.

There is no contest relative to the UK financial industry which is the EU stick.

I have not ever read or heard that.

The only information that I can find is from the Marine Management Organisation:

"How can I get a licence to fish by boat in the UK?

Your vessel must be registered before you can get a licence.

The MMO does not sell or provide these licence entitlements. Places they may be obtained include via trade media aimed at the commercial fishing industry.

More information about fishing vessel licensing is also on our website."Try looking at this gov review in 2015 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk › licensing-review-consult-sum-resp

Look up one post from where you wrote this. Written by a fisherman.

I saw that 2015 document but had to assume that the 2018 government advice posted by the MMO would be correct.

It will have to be compensated for. It's still private property and owned by a British registered company.

If not purchased it would require an equivalent reallocation or compensation if the rules change.

You own a percentage of the quota, however large it is.

There will still have to be a quota based on international negotiation. There is no such thing as a "British" fish. Overfishing will lead to no fish to harvest. That, at least, is clear.

This domestic quota will have to be allocated on some basis which will logically be on existing ownership. As I said earlier, if this is not the case then it will be arbitrary and open to legal challenge. It has to be.you have moved a long way from your original statement that uk fishermen will be thrown under a bus foreign boats will register in the uk.Of course there will be a quota set by the uk fisheries dept for uk waters whether eu boats will be allowed depends on what agreement is struck.

I didn't realise that the foreign firms had already registered as UK companies. Brexit or no Brexit they will remain unaffected.

As far as a access to UK waters for foreign registered vessels I stand by the UK balancing the 0.1% of UK GDP in fishing with 7% of financial services and not going with fighting for fishing rights.

I really cannot find a researched piece that indicates another view.

That's why I said that I had to post the Guardian. The FT is behind a pay wall.

I did point you towards the Greenpeace investigation.

I cannot post links to to academic studies.

Are the facts outside the opinion and speculation in the article untrue?

Is information in the Greenpeace investigation untrue?

If not, then what is your path to a benefit to this sector of the UK economy given that our biggest market is the EU? What is the potential win?

BoJo can still claim that "British companies" will benefit but ultimately that does not help the UK industry if the boats are foreign owned and the catch is landed and processed in the EU.My personal thoughts are that fishing is such a small percentage of gdp we should say to the eu we dont want any eu boats in uk waters we wont be exporting any of our fish to the eu.Lets face it the uk fishing fleet is not that big these days so just catch it for the domestic market.The uk will have plenty of cheaper fish so cutting the meat eating down to please the greens, the kids will benefit from healthy eating lets face it how many families eat fish every week? Im old enough to remember when it was and even the cat ate fresh fish.

I can see what you're saying, but nobody then benefits from this.

It actually seems to be just to exclude the EU. However, this low value chip could cost us something of much higher value.

Nothing is isolated.Of course they do the fishermen benefit by having more days at sea the government benefit from taxes and the public benefit from having cheap plentiful fresh food and the fish stocks benefit too.Not everything should be about big profits doing the right thing for the citizens you represent should come first.Its not isolation its trading what you want to trade. "

You just said that there would be no expansion of fishing. In fact, if we don't sell to the EU there will be a contraction. Fewer fishing jobs. They will also be competing with more British beef and lamb if that is also excluded from the EU or hits a tariff.

You're right that everything shouldn't be about money, but what do we get instead from this?

What should the rest of the country pay for in schools and hospitals and roads for this non-financial prize?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

I don't know. Doesn't seem likely in that timescale - but you never can tell.

I don't think Boris can throw the fishermen under the bus, in order to help out the financial services sector, though.

If he did, it would be a massive "Fuck You!" to a lot of people who usually vote Tory.

Is he confident/arrogant enough to do that in the first year of his premiership?"

So as a nation we prioritise fishing over the financial sector?

His chums are in finance not fishing. How does that play at dinner and when he wants a job later?

What should the country give up in reduced taxes and real public services which this pays for when the financial sector contracts.

Again, I don't actually see the benefit to the UK fishing fleet anyway if the EU will not land our fish without a tariff and our boats are still foreign owned.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

I don't know. Doesn't seem likely in that timescale - but you never can tell.

I don't think Boris can throw the fishermen under the bus, in order to help out the financial services sector, though.

If he did, it would be a massive "Fuck You!" to a lot of people who usually vote Tory.

Is he confident/arrogant enough to do that in the first year of his premiership?

So as a nation we prioritise fishing over the financial sector?

His chums are in finance not fishing. How does that play at dinner and when he wants a job later?

What should the country give up in reduced taxes and real public services which this pays for when the financial sector contracts.

Again, I don't actually see the benefit to the UK fishing fleet anyway if the EU will not land our fish without a tariff and our boats are still foreign owned."
so you are saying you think he should sell out on fishing for financial services? which by the way was a story made up by the guardian with no reference to who in the eu negotiation team said this was a prerequisite.Who this be by any chance so that you can come back later and say Boris is only looking after his rich friends?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Level of ignorance on this subject is astounding"

Yep, peple who know fuck all about an industry think they are experts because they read something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't know. Doesn't seem likely in that timescale - but you never can tell.

I don't think Boris can throw the fishermen under the bus, in order to help out the financial services sector, though.

If he did, it would be a massive "Fuck You!" to a lot of people who usually vote Tory.

Is he confident/arrogant enough to do that in the first year of his premiership?

So as a nation we prioritise fishing over the financial sector?

His chums are in finance not fishing. How does that play at dinner and when he wants a job later?

What should the country give up in reduced taxes and real public services which this pays for when the financial sector contracts.

Again, I don't actually see the benefit to the UK fishing fleet anyway if the EU will not land our fish without a tariff and our boats are still foreign owned."
.

You can eat fish, you can't eat a CDO

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

I don't know. Doesn't seem likely in that timescale - but you never can tell.

I don't think Boris can throw the fishermen under the bus, in order to help out the financial services sector, though.

If he did, it would be a massive "Fuck You!" to a lot of people who usually vote Tory.

Is he confident/arrogant enough to do that in the first year of his premiership?

So as a nation we prioritise fishing over the financial sector?

His chums are in finance not fishing. How does that play at dinner and when he wants a job later?

What should the country give up in reduced taxes and real public services which this pays for when the financial sector contracts.

Again, I don't actually see the benefit to the UK fishing fleet anyway if the EU will not land our fish without a tariff and our boats are still foreign owned.so you are saying you think he should sell out on fishing for financial services? which by the way was a story made up by the guardian with no reference to who in the eu negotiation team said this was a prerequisite.Who this be by any chance so that you can come back later and say Boris is only looking after his rich friends?

You did not actually indicate what the ultimate benefit to the fishing industry would be. Neither has anybody else. You've indicated rather the opposite in fact.

Financial services is an example of what we would be balancing against. I think that you knew that. Automotive, butter, bolts, energy and everything else are in the mix.

The Conservative party's donors and those who make up the Parliamentary party are a real political consideration too.

There is no cake-and-eat-it option. There will have to be negotiation and compromise. That's what adults do.

Those are the real choices being made rather than the outlandish promises.

Why pretend otherwise?