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"Without a border on the Ireland of Ireland there was always gonna be, can't have a frictionless border between North and South whilst at the same requiring border checks between the UK and the EU. The border has to go somewhere" Yeah, understand that it the lies that comes out of Boris Johnson's mouth. | |||
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"Might be best to wait until Dec 31st by which time we will know what the final terms of our departure are rather than speculating now......" don’t tell them that they will have fuck all to moan about lol | |||
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"Few will have trusted Johnson to have been speaking much truth. Tragic that such a great country gets to have such a dishonest leader today, who treats millions with such contempt. " I pity those who believe Boris and his slippery words. As my grandmother told me ,a promise gives comfort to a fool.  | |||
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"What an ignorant bunch of tits on here with your tiny closed minds it is so sad Ahh, the random spat of venom ranty post about poor leavers again  No poor remainers,proves my point"I thought you'd like that 
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"Might be best to wait until Dec 31st by which time we will know what the final terms of our departure are rather than speculating now......" Yes lets all bury our heads in the sand and hope for the best....it’ll work out in the end....might be a few years yet before it does though! | |||
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"If you want regulatory divergence from a neighbour then you have to have a means of controlling that divergence - checks. At agreed locations. That much has been known for years." That's normally how the world works but Boris seems to disagree | |||
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"Let's all guess some more and talk out great economy down ...look at the rest of the eu ....fucked" A great economy is driven by creating of workers or the migration of workers. The tories financially punish families with over 2 children, whilst also trying to restrict immigration - the economy doesn’t need talking down as long as the tories are ruining it themselves. | |||
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"Let's all guess some more and talk out great economy down ...look at the rest of the eu ....fucked A great economy is driven by creating of workers or the migration of workers. The tories financially punish families with over 2 children, whilst also trying to restrict immigration - the economy doesn’t need talking down as long as the tories are ruining it themselves." No its driven by skilled jobs and workers economic migrants just keep big business happy by supplying cheap labour. | |||
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"Without a border on the Ireland of Ireland there was always gonna be, can't have a frictionless border between North and South whilst at the same requiring border checks between the UK and the EU. The border has to go somewhere Yeah, understand that it the lies that comes out of Boris Johnson's mouth. " Hang on, you said the eu want it. So thats not boris saying it, but the eu? So if the eu want, let them sort it and pay for it | |||
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"Let's all guess some more and talk out great economy down ...look at the rest of the eu ....fucked A great economy is driven by creating of workers or the migration of workers. The tories financially punish families with over 2 children, whilst also trying to restrict immigration - the economy doesn’t need talking down as long as the tories are ruining it themselves.No its driven by skilled jobs and workers economic migrants just keep big business happy by supplying cheap labour. " You need labour - regardless of where it comes from. And the tories are restricting it on two fronts. Which is what I said. Migrants not only fill jobs, but they provide extra demand for goods and services. This is really basic Keynesian theory. | |||
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"You need labour - regardless of where it comes from. And the tories are restricting it on two fronts. Which is what I said. Migrants not only fill jobs, but they provide extra demand for goods and services. This is really basic Keynesian theory. " FOM is conceptually brilliant but the actuality is anything but and the numbers support that. If you ponder only one thing with regards to FOM just ask yourself why business across the whole spectrum is so keen for FOM to continue and I’ll give you a clue, it’s not philanthropic. Just prior to the 2016 Ref Andrew Neil interviewed the TUC leader Francis O’Grady and whilst he had to drag it from her she admitted that in areas of the construction, food and hospitality sectors low wages were being kept low by the constant inflow of EU economic migrants. A steady annual stream of EU economic migrants prepared to work for low wages will keep low wages low, no employer will pay more than they absolutely have to. | |||
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"You need labour - regardless of where it comes from. And the tories are restricting it on two fronts. Which is what I said. Migrants not only fill jobs, but they provide extra demand for goods and services. This is really basic Keynesian theory. FOM is conceptually brilliant but the actuality is anything but and the numbers support that. If you ponder only one thing with regards to FOM just ask yourself why business across the whole spectrum is so keen for FOM to continue and I’ll give you a clue, it’s not philanthropic. Just prior to the 2016 Ref Andrew Neil interviewed the TUC leader Francis O’Grady and whilst he had to drag it from her she admitted that in areas of the construction, food and hospitality sectors low wages were being kept low by the constant inflow of EU economic migrants. A steady annual stream of EU economic migrants prepared to work for low wages will keep low wages low, no employer will pay more than they absolutely have to. " And yet in comparable EU countries like Germany wages are on average better than the UK, despite having a larger migrant population. Working conditions are generally superior as well. Why is it that when there was a shortage of migrant crop pickers these past couple of summers, wages in the industry didn’t go up - Instead we saw crops rotting, unpicked? | |||
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"You need labour - regardless of where it comes from. And the tories are restricting it on two fronts. Which is what I said. Migrants not only fill jobs, but they provide extra demand for goods and services. This is really basic Keynesian theory. FOM is conceptually brilliant but the actuality is anything but and the numbers support that. If you ponder only one thing with regards to FOM just ask yourself why business across the whole spectrum is so keen for FOM to continue and I’ll give you a clue, it’s not philanthropic. Just prior to the 2016 Ref Andrew Neil interviewed the TUC leader Francis O’Grady and whilst he had to drag it from her she admitted that in areas of the construction, food and hospitality sectors low wages were being kept low by the constant inflow of EU economic migrants. A steady annual stream of EU economic migrants prepared to work for low wages will keep low wages low, no employer will pay more than they absolutely have to. " Whilst it seems to make sense, wages were suppressed following the global financial deal crash 2008, which affected industries unlike those sectors. The key differences were the outliers at the top, with Chief Executive packages still soaring. Alternative immigration post EU departure, from other countries, with some EU people still coming, may not alter wages that much, if they're still amenable to being paid at low levels, as you've outlined. After the charges, the UK businesses will be responsible for standards compliance as well as the increased costs of border issues, export controls and documrntation - potentially tens of certification compliance agreements per product shipped. As all of this is still to be officially endorsed and detailed to thousands of businesses, they remain subject to implementation of complex changes with minimum notice, for their sales and logistics. Johnson imposed on us the very short period until the end of the war, whilst still talking of there being no border issues that are different to now. That type of behaviour is likely to cause problems, rather than mitigate their effects. | |||
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" Just prior to the 2016 Ref Andrew Neil interviewed the TUC leader Francis O’Grady and whilst he had to drag it from her she admitted that in areas of the construction, food and hospitality sectors low wages were being kept low by the constant inflow of EU economic migrants. A steady annual stream of EU economic migrants prepared to work for low wages will keep low wages low, no employer will pay more than they absolutely have to. " I fully agree. | |||
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" Why is it that when there was a shortage of migrant crop pickers these past couple of summers, wages in the industry didn’t go up - Instead we saw crops rotting, unpicked?" You are literally making my point for me. A shortage of migrant workers prepared to work for the very lowest of low wages in awful conditions? It's as if you are advocating slavery! The farmers livelihood depends on his ability to encourage people to come and do the work that no one else wants to. Not because we are too lazy which is the oft trotted out tosh but because it doesn't pay. Who can run a car, pay a mortgage or go on holiday on a fruit pickers wage? He needs low wage workers because the supermarkets will only pay peanuts for his produce because 'we' all expect to be able to buy our carrots and spuds and strawberries for as little as possible. Which works right across the spectrum, go into any hotel or restaurant up and down the land and see who is doing the menial work. Go on any building site and see how many EU economic migrants are working there. Then ask yourself if those employers are likely to be paying top dollar or whether a steady flow of EU economic migrants all happy to work for low wages is a good thing. | |||
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" Why is it that when there was a shortage of migrant crop pickers these past couple of summers, wages in the industry didn’t go up - Instead we saw crops rotting, unpicked? You are literally making my point for me. A shortage of migrant workers prepared to work for the very lowest of low wages in awful conditions? It's as if you are advocating slavery! The farmers livelihood depends on his ability to encourage people to come and do the work that no one else wants to. Not because we are too lazy which is the oft trotted out tosh but because it doesn't pay. Who can run a car, pay a mortgage or go on holiday on a fruit pickers wage? He needs low wage workers because the supermarkets will only pay peanuts for his produce because 'we' all expect to be able to buy our carrots and spuds and strawberries for as little as possible. Which works right across the spectrum, go into any hotel or restaurant up and down the land and see who is doing the menial work. Go on any building site and see how many EU economic migrants are working there. Then ask yourself if those employers are likely to be paying top dollar or whether a steady flow of EU economic migrants all happy to work for low wages is a good thing. " Why did you ignore and delete the bit about Germany? What people are about to learn is that for decades, eurosceptics have blamed the EEC/EU for the failings of UK govt to maintain expected standards or income & workers rights. | |||
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" Why did you ignore and delete the bit about Germany? What people are about to learn is that for decades, eurosceptics have blamed the EEC/EU for the failings of UK govt to maintain expected standards or income & workers rights." I ignored Germany as it was nowt but whataboutery. If the EU maintained expected standards. or income & workers rights how come your farmer couldn't get any workers.......... | |||
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" Why is it that when there was a shortage of migrant crop pickers these past couple of summers, wages in the industry didn’t go up - Instead we saw crops rotting, unpicked? You are literally making my point for me. A shortage of migrant workers prepared to work for the very lowest of low wages in awful conditions? It's as if you are advocating slavery! The farmers livelihood depends on his ability to encourage people to come and do the work that no one else wants to. Not because we are too lazy which is the oft trotted out tosh but because it doesn't pay. Who can run a car, pay a mortgage or go on holiday on a fruit pickers wage? He needs low wage workers because the supermarkets will only pay peanuts for his produce because 'we' all expect to be able to buy our carrots and spuds and strawberries for as little as possible. Which works right across the spectrum, go into any hotel or restaurant up and down the land and see who is doing the menial work. Go on any building site and see how many EU economic migrants are working there. Then ask yourself if those employers are likely to be paying top dollar or whether a steady flow of EU economic migrants all happy to work for low wages is a good thing. Why did you ignore and delete the bit about Germany? What people are about to learn is that for decades, eurosceptics have blamed the EEC/EU for the failings of UK govt to maintain expected standards or income & workers rights." And yet the UK government is the first in the world to give workers the legal right to bereavement leave if they lose a child. | |||
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" Why did you ignore and delete the bit about Germany? What people are about to learn is that for decades, eurosceptics have blamed the EEC/EU for the failings of UK govt to maintain expected standards or income & workers rights. I ignored Germany as it was nowt but whataboutery. If the EU maintained expected standards. or income & workers rights how come your farmer couldn't get any workers.........." Pointing out that other nations in the EU don’t ‘suffer’ the implications of FoM as we do is not whataboutery. It’s indicative of UK failings. The farmers have gone without workers because brexiters decided that the EU boogeyman was responsible for the ills in society and decided to leave. The EU workers sadly were deemed acceptable collateral damage by the leavers. | |||
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" Why is it that when there was a shortage of migrant crop pickers these past couple of summers, wages in the industry didn’t go up - Instead we saw crops rotting, unpicked? You are literally making my point for me. A shortage of migrant workers prepared to work for the very lowest of low wages in awful conditions? It's as if you are advocating slavery! The farmers livelihood depends on his ability to encourage people to come and do the work that no one else wants to. Not because we are too lazy which is the oft trotted out tosh but because it doesn't pay. Who can run a car, pay a mortgage or go on holiday on a fruit pickers wage? He needs low wage workers because the supermarkets will only pay peanuts for his produce because 'we' all expect to be able to buy our carrots and spuds and strawberries for as little as possible. Which works right across the spectrum, go into any hotel or restaurant up and down the land and see who is doing the menial work. Go on any building site and see how many EU economic migrants are working there. Then ask yourself if those employers are likely to be paying top dollar or whether a steady flow of EU economic migrants all happy to work for low wages is a good thing. Why did you ignore and delete the bit about Germany? What people are about to learn is that for decades, eurosceptics have blamed the EEC/EU for the failings of UK govt to maintain expected standards or income & workers rights. And yet the UK government is the first in the world to give workers the legal right to bereavement leave if they lose a child." No they’re not. They’re the first in the world to give workers 2 weeks bereavement leave if they lose a child. And very welcome it is too. Now perhaps they could go back to workers dismissal rights after 12 months employment rather then the 24 that they changed it to. Roll back the anti-strike regulations etc. | |||
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" Pointing out that other nations in the EU don’t ‘suffer’ the implications of FoM as we do is not whataboutery. It’s indicative of UK failings. The farmers have gone without workers because brexiters decided that the EU boogeyman was responsible for the ills in society and decided to leave. The EU workers sadly were deemed acceptable collateral damage by the leavers. " Nope it's whataboutery, if was of a similar mind I would seek to discuss Italy or possibly France or maybe even Hungary or even Sweden but that would be more whataboutery.... Nope, the farmers have gone without workers because the exchange rate means that they can earn a bit more of their pittance working in the EU rather than the slave wages they earn in the UK. Before you jump up on trigger the exchange rate has been worse than it is now....... | |||
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" No they’re not. They’re the first in the world to give workers 2 weeks bereavement leave if they lose a child. And very welcome it is too. " Do they get these rights in the rest of the EU? | |||
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" No they’re not. They’re the first in the world to give workers 2 weeks bereavement leave if they lose a child. And very welcome it is too. Do they get these rights in the rest of the EU? " They get bereavement leave in most civilised nations. The UK have pledged more. What’s not to like about that? Are you suggesting that it couldn’t have been done as an EU member? Because that would be wrong. | |||
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" They get bereavement leave in most civilised nations. The UK have pledged more. What’s not to like about that? Are you suggesting that it couldn’t have been done as an EU member? Because that would be wrong. " We currently are an EU member.... | |||
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" They get bereavement leave in most civilised nations. The UK have pledged more. What’s not to like about that? Are you suggesting that it couldn’t have been done as an EU member? Because that would be wrong. We currently are an EU member.... " Exactly. So why try to pass it off as some sort of one-upmanship? I hope many other countries follow suit - citizens and workers rights should always be improved not reduced. So once again, the tories should roll back the attacks they made on workers rights in the last 9 years. | |||
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" Exactly. So why try to pass it off as some sort of one-upmanship? I hope many other countries follow suit - citizens and workers rights should always be improved not reduced. So once again, the tories should roll back the attacks they made on workers rights in the last 9 years." But you stated that Brexit would mean the degradation of workers rights yet here we have the UK Gov on the eve of Brexit enhancing workers rights in a way that no other EU country is doing. Make you wonder if maybe you are a bit confused on other issues........ | |||
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" Exactly. So why try to pass it off as some sort of one-upmanship? I hope many other countries follow suit - citizens and workers rights should always be improved not reduced. So once again, the tories should roll back the attacks they made on workers rights in the last 9 years. But you stated that Brexit would mean the degradation of workers rights yet here we have the UK Gov on the eve of Brexit enhancing workers rights in a way that no other EU country is doing. Make you wonder if maybe you are a bit confused on other issues........" One point does not cover all workers rights, but you’re smart enough to know that, even if you’re disingenuous enough to pretend otherwise. | |||
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" One point does not cover all workers rights, but you’re smart enough to know that, even if you’re disingenuous enough to pretend otherwise. " Did I suggest otherwise? Just as an aside have you noticed how the French are currently dealing with workers rights? Before you cry whataboutery remember you told us that the EU was the bastion for protecting workers rights etc.... | |||
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" One point does not cover all workers rights, but you’re smart enough to know that, even if you’re disingenuous enough to pretend otherwise. Did I suggest otherwise? Just as an aside have you noticed how the French are currently dealing with workers rights? Before you cry whataboutery remember you told us that the EU was the bastion for protecting workers rights etc...." I don’t recall saying the EU was a bastion of protecting human rights - I said workers rights in comparable Eu countries like Germany were generally better. I know you think you’re smart trying to twist words and skew arguments but it does you no favours. | |||
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" I don’t recall saying the EU was a bastion of protecting human rights - I said workers rights in comparable Eu countries like Germany were generally better. I know you think you’re smart trying to twist words and skew arguments but it does you no favours." Are you saying that all the countries in the EU don't have the same workers rights? How can that be if the whole premise on the workers rights benefits is that if we are in they are protected and it we are out they will suffer? If the EU is this homogenous grouping that you espouse surely all in the 27 are treated equally????? | |||
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" I don’t recall saying the EU was a bastion of protecting human rights - I said workers rights in comparable Eu countries like Germany were generally better. I know you think you’re smart trying to twist words and skew arguments but it does you no favours. Are you saying that all the countries in the EU don't have the same workers rights? How can that be if the whole premise on the workers rights benefits is that if we are in they are protected and it we are out they will suffer? If the EU is this homogenous grouping that you espouse surely all in the 27 are treated equally?????" The EU is comprised of sovereign nations, is it not? Oh no that’s right. Brexiters think we weren’t sovereign then, but somehow are once we leave. | |||
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" The EU is comprised of sovereign nations, is it not? Oh no that’s right. Brexiters think we weren’t sovereign then, but somehow are once we leave." So there are countries within the EU that have worse workers rights than we have here in the UK? How can that be?........ | |||
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" The EU is comprised of sovereign nations, is it not? Oh no that’s right. Brexiters think we weren’t sovereign then, but somehow are once we leave. So there are countries within the EU that have worse workers rights than we have here in the UK? How can that be?........" Ah. Trying to pretend I said the whole EU was a paradise of wonderful workers rights for all again eh? | |||
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" Ah. Trying to pretend I said the whole EU was a paradise of wonderful workers rights for all again eh? " But you told us if we left the EU workers rights in the UK would suffer, one your main points for continued EU membership is to protect workers rights...... Yet else where in the EU workers rights are already worse than here in the UK...... How can that be........ | |||
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" Ah. Trying to pretend I said the whole EU was a paradise of wonderful workers rights for all again eh? But you told us if we left the EU workers rights in the UK would suffer, one your main points for continued EU membership is to protect workers rights...... Yet else where in the EU workers rights are already worse than here in the UK...... How can that be........" No. I said that for years eurosceptics have blamed falling standards on the EU rather than placing the blame where it should be: UK govt. I’m not sure if you have comprehension issues or if you just like spreading little lies. Either way I’m done with you now. Your disingenuousness is pretty shameful. | |||
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" No. I said that for years eurosceptics have blamed falling standards on the EU rather than placing the blame where it should be: UK govt. I’m not sure if you have comprehension issues or if you just like spreading little lies. Either way I’m done with you now. Your disingenuousness is pretty shameful. " But if standards here in the UK are already superior to standards across most of the EU 27 how is our leaving going to change that? Or are suggesting we are going to lower our workers rights standards to be inline with the majority of the EU 27? Which begs the question.............. | |||
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"If you want regulatory divergence from a neighbour then you have to have a means of controlling that divergence - checks. At agreed locations. That much has been known for years. That's normally how the world works but Boris seems to disagree ". No that's not how it actually works. The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not. Your consignment notice is registered with HMRC and passes through just the same, the only checks done are for illegal stuff, like drugs, human trafficking etc etc (they also get checked on EU imports), you get twelve months to register your consignments if you don't pre bother doing it and in that scenario your consignment will be checked because nobody would have a clue what's in it. The vast majority of importers are pre registered and pre register consignments before shipping so will sail through just the same as any other EU imports!. Unless you think somebody stops the 3.8 million imports from China everyday and goes through them with a fine tooth comb??. | |||
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"If you want regulatory divergence from a neighbour then you have to have a means of controlling that divergence - checks. At agreed locations. That much has been known for years. That's normally how the world works but Boris seems to disagree .
No that's not how it actually works.
The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not.
Your consignment notice is registered with HMRC and passes through just the same, the only checks done are for illegal stuff, like drugs, human trafficking etc etc (they also get checked on EU imports), you get twelve months to register your consignments if you don't pre bother doing it and in that scenario your consignment will be checked because nobody would have a clue what's in it.
The vast majority of importers are pre registered and pre register consignments before shipping so will sail through just the same as any other EU imports!.
Unless you think somebody stops the 3.8 million imports from China everyday and goes through them with a fine tooth comb??."I think you're trying to muddy the picture here. Are you saying nothing from outside the EU goes through any form of Customs border point? | |||
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" Unless you think somebody stops the 3.8 million imports from China everyday and goes through them with a fine tooth comb??." Massive exaggeration to try and prove your point lol | |||
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" The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not. " No but the facility to check is there and randomly carried out every single day by people working on the hard border of the UK customs. | |||
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" No but the facility to check is there and randomly carried out every single day by people working on the hard border of the UK customs. " Genuine question but is that not the exact way that imports from the EU are treated? | |||
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" The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not. No but the facility to check is there and randomly carried out every single day by people working on the hard border of the UK customs. " . Looking for illegal stuff yes, they stop EU imports as much as non EU imports. | |||
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" Unless you think somebody stops the 3.8 million imports from China everyday and goes through them with a fine tooth comb??. Massive exaggeration to try and prove your point lol" . Yes and no, China accounts for nearly 10% of UK imports or 100 million pounds of goods a day. You don't seriously think they go through all that searching do you?. | |||
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" The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not. No but the facility to check is there and randomly carried out every single day by people working on the hard border of the UK customs. . Looking for illegal stuff yes, they stop EU imports as much as non EU imports. " Customs checks are not solely for just illegal items, a lot more goes on with Customs and transit hubs than just looking for illegal items. | |||
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" The vast majority of imports aren't checked whether coming from the EU or not. No but the facility to check is there and randomly carried out every single day by people working on the hard border of the UK customs. . Looking for illegal stuff yes, they stop EU imports as much as non EU imports. Customs checks are not solely for just illegal items, a lot more goes on with Customs and transit hubs than just looking for illegal items. " . What exactly do you think they do?. | |||
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" Unless you think somebody stops the 3.8 million imports from China everyday and goes through them with a fine tooth comb??. Massive exaggeration to try and prove your point lol. Yes and no, China accounts for nearly 10% of UK imports or 100 million pounds of goods a day. You don't seriously think they go through all that searching do you?. " That's your exaggeration kicking in mate but yes, as I've said not every single customs check is for illegal items so to be able to carry out any checks at all there has to be a hard border which is what this thread is about. | |||
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" What exactly do you think they do?. " Look it up, I'm not bothering to type it all out here. We'll agree to disagree that I know what checks are done in customs vs what you think. | |||
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" What exactly do you think they do?. Look it up, I'm not bothering to type it all out here. We'll agree to disagree that I know what checks are done in customs vs what you think. " . They don't do anything to 99% of imports coming through, nothing, zilch,NADA, zero, how many people do you think work in customs, 7 million? China alone imports 100 million pounds of goods a day, do you seriously think anybody checks any of it at all?. Containers are sealed in China with official tape, there pre registered with HMRC with officially registered importers, the only containers opened are suspicious ones, that's the exact same policy used on EU ones. | |||
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" What exactly do you think they do?. Look it up, I'm not bothering to type it all out here. We'll agree to disagree that I know what checks are done in customs vs what you think. . They don't do anything to 99% of imports coming through, nothing, zilch,NADA, zero, how many people do you think work in customs, 7 million? China alone imports 100 million pounds of goods a day, do you seriously think anybody checks any of it at all?. Containers are sealed in China with official tape, there pre registered with HMRC with officially registered importers, the only containers opened are suspicious ones, that's the exact same policy used on EU ones. " Explain away then what a Customs Union is and why you don't need a Customs border if you're surrounded by states that you share a Customs Union with but you have a border Customs where imports arrive from countries you don't have a customs union with. Is it only countries you don't have a customs union with that try to send us illegal items? | |||
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"People prattle on about EU standards, EU workers rights, EU this, EU that. you would think before the EU, there were no such things. The UK led the world in standards, rights , democracy , the judiciary long before some unelected garlic eaters swanned along. DONT FORGET THE MAGINOT LINE lol" Garlic eaters? Who are you referring to ? | |||
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"There is crime/ smuggling/ counterfeit goods operations , people smuggling, drug smuggling now and for years whilst we are in the EU. The same will be the case once we leave the EU. Customs checks, manifests , tariffs, taxes, is practically all done by computers. ( some livestock checks excepted). ANPR and GPS check everything these days. The days of opening up every box in every lorry at every border crossing is decades past . But the scaremongers and doom merchants are still living in the past . They obviously never use Amazon or any other internet website. Walk into any shop anywhere in the world , look underneath the product and 9 times out of ten it will say Made in China. China isn’t in the EU. Look at the workers rights, wages , product standards in China. China do ok don’t they? Are they in the EU?. Is the US in the EU?. Are the vast emerging markets in the EU?. Wise up people . The UK is a great nation , and is perfectly able to trade and live without the EU telling us about our bananas " Bananas....that about sums up your grip on reality....its never been true that the EU set standards for the bend in bananas doh | |||
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"EC standard 2257/94. Regulation for bananas. Duh." Every country has a definition of every item that is imported or exported. Didn't you know that?
Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.
Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas. You can charge more for a "nice" looking banana that an "ugly" one so this is a legal differentiation. | |||
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"EC standard 2257/94. Regulation for bananas. Duh. Every country has a definition of every item that is imported or exported. Didn't you know that?
Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.
Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas. You can charge more for a "nice" looking banana that an "ugly" one so this is a legal differentiation."Removing this regulation was the last potential Brexit benefit. And you've ruined it. | |||
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"People prattle on about EU standards, EU workers rights, EU this, EU that. you would think before the EU, there were no such things. The UK led the world in standards, rights , democracy , the judiciary long before some unelected garlic eaters swanned along. DONT FORGET THE MAGINOT LINE lol" The UK is just another country with better or worse standards, rights, democracy and judiciary than others at various points in history. Why would you pretend otherwise? Past glories are no indication of future behaviour. Legal agreements and processes of arbitration are a better guarantor. Boring old rules
EU standards allow goods to be sold without further inspection over a wider area and far more customers than that of a single nation. Why wouldn't you want that?
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"There is crime/ smuggling/ counterfeit goods operations , people smuggling, drug smuggling now and for years whilst we are in the EU. The same will be the case once we leave the EU. Customs checks, manifests , tariffs, taxes, is practically all done by computers. ( some livestock checks excepted). ANPR and GPS check everything these days. The days of opening up every box in every lorry at every border crossing is decades past . But the scaremongers and doom merchants are still living in the past . They obviously never use Amazon or any other internet website. Walk into any shop anywhere in the world , look underneath the product and 9 times out of ten it will say Made in China. China isn’t in the EU. Look at the workers rights, wages , product standards in China. China do ok don’t they? Are they in the EU?. Is the US in the EU?. Are the vast emerging markets in the EU?. Wise up people . The UK is a great nation , and is perfectly able to trade and live without the EU telling us about our bananas " So many questions. On and on and on and on
All the stuff made in China is manufactured to EU regulations. They don't have the choice if they sell to them. They cannot negotiate the rules or set them.
It's worth their while because of the size of the EU market. If Mali introduced a standard for TVs they just wouldn't export to Mali.
The same for the UK. If we diverge our standards so that they are looser than the EU we will be sold poorer quality or less efficient products. If we increase over the EU we will have reduced choice, assuming they want to build a version specifically for the UK market.
Of course the UK is perfectly able to do all manner of things alone. We would just do better working as part of one of the world's biggest power blocks.
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"Another lie from Boris Johnson he said in the election there would not be any checks needed on goods coming and going to Northern Ireland thats more red tape for business what they don't need and extra expense which will be passed on to the consumer and they say Brexit will be good. But the EU say they will be needed. " We agreed to an customs border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The Northern Irish know that their will be a customs border. So does the EU. I'm not sure what the point of a lie like that is. Perhaps we'll find out? Perhaps not | |||
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"EC standard 2257/94. Regulation for bananas. Duh." Jesus you’re posts are getting more pointless by the day. The point is that the daily mail reading numptys hold this up as an example of everything thats wrong with the eu which is lamentable as an example and untrue in detail. A quality standard transformed into some bullshit about bananas having to be straight under EU rules. Lies and deceit fall so easily from your mouth. Congratulations on proving my point. | |||
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"EC standard 2257/94. Regulation for bananas. Duh." Just to tie this up for you, the USDA (US Department of Agriculture) Banana Inspection Instructions runs to 13 pages and comes with diagrams including one illustrating the curvature. "Shape (Q) Consider the shape of the finger on its own or as a component part of the cluster or hand. The term well formed should be used for fingers having normal curvature and proportion and lying within the natural contour of the hand. Misshapen should be used for those fingers which are twisted, stunted, or otherwise deformed so that the normal contour of the cluster or hand is destroyed." You're welcome | |||
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"Not forgetting the barmy EU law that clearly states that drinking water in no way combats dehydration with the law banning any mention of the benefits of drinking water on bottled water. I’ve got several hundred of these stupid stupid regulations . Happy to continue posting " ...and I'll just keep demonstrating that it is just the anti-EU press banging the drum. This is actually categorised as a medical claim and was treated as such. It just needed rewording. It was a ruling not a law. This is from Forbes: In 2008, German scientists Dr Andreas Hahn and Dr Moritz Hagenmeyer submitted an application to the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) requesting the right to make the claim ”regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance” on labels of bottled water. The regulation pertaining to the category of claim that the application was filed under, defines reduction of disease risk claims as those which state that the consumption of a food “significantly reduces a risk factor in the development of a human disease.” The food here was identified as water, the disease, as dehydration. Careful inspection of EFSA’s report on the scientific opinion indicates that the panel accepted these two assertions. What it objected to, was the identification of “water loss in tissues” or “reduced water content in tissues” as the risk factors, as proposed by the German scientists. The panel believed these to be “measures of water depletion and thus are measures of the disease (dehydration).” In lay terms, these are symptoms of dehydration, i.e. conditions which are the consequence of a loss and/or lack of fluid, and therefore quite distinct from risk factors which are conditions that make an individual more likely to develop the disease. In fact, drinking too much water can be as risky as not drinking enough. “Encouraging someone to drink significant amounts of water can lead to a condition called hyper hydration or water intoxication which can lead to death, if they drink much more than they need.” | |||
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"People prattle on about EU standards, EU workers rights, EU this, EU that. you would think before the EU, there were no such things. The UK led the world in standards, rights , democracy , the judiciary long before some unelected garlic eaters swanned along. DONT FORGET THE MAGINOT LINE lol" Not in everything, you may think we had the best rights being British but being a member of the European Union has made the UK adopt much improved civil rights than it wanted to on many aspects. | |||
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"You need labour - regardless of where it comes from. And the tories are restricting it on two fronts. Which is what I said. Migrants not only fill jobs, but they provide extra demand for goods and services. This is really basic Keynesian theory. FOM is conceptually brilliant but the actuality is anything but and the numbers support that. If you ponder only one thing with regards to FOM just ask yourself why business across the whole spectrum is so keen for FOM to continue and I’ll give you a clue, it’s not philanthropic. Just prior to the 2016 Ref Andrew Neil interviewed the TUC leader Francis O’Grady and whilst he had to drag it from her she admitted that in areas of the construction, food and hospitality sectors low wages were being kept low by the constant inflow of EU economic migrants. A steady annual stream of EU economic migrants prepared to work for low wages will keep low wages low, no employer will pay more than they absolutely have to. Whilst it seems to make sense, wages were suppressed following the global financial deal crash 2008, which affected industries unlike those sectors. The key differences were the outliers at the top, with Chief Executive packages still soaring. Alternative immigration post EU departure, from other countries, with some EU people still coming, may not alter wages that much, if they're still amenable to being paid at low levels, as you've outlined. After the charges, the UK businesses will be responsible for standards compliance as well as the increased costs of border issues, export controls and documrntation - potentially tens of certification compliance agreements per product shipped. As all of this is still to be officially endorsed and detailed to thousands of businesses, they remain subject to implementation of complex changes with minimum notice, for their sales and logistics. Johnson imposed on us the very short period until the end of the war, whilst still talking of there being no border issues that are different to now. That type of behaviour is likely to cause problems, rather than mitigate their effects. " You forgot to add the cost of converting compliance from global standards, to EU standards if your company trades with a European country. | |||
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"It will be interesting to see the result of the swiss referendum in may. Although not in the eu they signed up to an open boarder policy in 2007 which tied them into immigration and other stuff the result on the 17th will decide if they stay in the agreement or reject it. " They only just voted to outlaw homophobic behaviour. Referendum based democracy is a curious thing isn't it? | |||
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" You forgot to add the cost of converting compliance from global standards, to EU standards if your company trades with a European country. " If you sell anything to a business customer you have to meet their spec requirements and standards, it makes no difference if its to one in your own country the EU or any other country in the world, some standards will be set by the countries government such as safety standards for kids toys or emissions by vehicles etc, others will be set by an individual companysuch as the ingredients in a food product or the tolerances in a machine part, companies are well used to such things and take it as part of doing business | |||
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" You forgot to add the cost of converting compliance from global standards, to EU standards if your company trades with a European country. If you sell anything to a business customer you have to meet their spec requirements and standards, it makes no difference if its to one in your own country the EU or any other country in the world, some standards will be set by the countries government such as safety standards for kids toys or emissions by vehicles etc, others will be set by an individual companysuch as the ingredients in a food product or the tolerances in a machine part, companies are well used to such things and take it as part of doing business" We won't be setting the rules on EU standards anymore and will have to prove compliance if UK standards are not recognised. Will have to see how the negotiations work out. | |||
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"Border checks have already started - at least at a Manchester Airport and the idiotic questions are just like the American versions and apply equally to British passport holders. No more scanning the passport and waving you through when the biometric queue is too busy. They now want to know where have travelled from, why you were there, how long for, your date of birth and place you were born. Bet they feel really tough guys now - Brexit Britains Border Force aka mini me version of The US Homeland Security. Won’t be surprised to see them wearing more gold braid and sporting bullet proof vests, takers and guns soon." What did you expect when the UK left the EU | |||
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"Went through Dover at 2 20 am this morning ....French border force waived through ....English waved through .....plus I was in a very large van....only check was at p and o ferries to get boarding card ..." Transition period | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure "True, but people voted for Brexit to ‘take back control’ of our borders, you can’t have that without stringent , regular checks | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
True, but people voted for Brexit to ‘take back control’ of our borders, you can’t have that without stringent , regular checks "Indeed | |||
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"Border checks have already started - at least at a Manchester Airport and the idiotic questions are just like the American versions and apply equally to British passport holders. No more scanning the passport and waving you through when the biometric queue is too busy. They now want to know where have travelled from, why you were there, how long for, your date of birth and place you were born. Bet they feel really tough guys now - Brexit Britains Border Force aka mini me version of The US Homeland Security. Won’t be surprised to see them wearing more gold braid and sporting bullet proof vests, takers and guns soon." At Luton airport it was similar when we returned from Poland. Several planes have landed, I don't know where other planes came from but a few policemen were asking each passenger where they came from. There were also medical services so it's not because brexit only has something to do with the coronavirus. After this one question, each passenger kept walking and scanned passport as always. Normal procedure. | |||
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" You forgot to add the cost of converting compliance from global standards, to EU standards if your company trades with a European country. If you sell anything to a business customer you have to meet their spec requirements and standards, it makes no difference if its to one in your own country the EU or any other country in the world, some standards will be set by the countries government such as safety standards for kids toys or emissions by vehicles etc, others will be set by an individual companysuch as the ingredients in a food product or the tolerances in a machine part, companies are well used to such things and take it as part of doing business We won't be setting the rules on EU standards anymore and will have to prove compliance if UK standards are not recognised. Will have to see how the negotiations work out." We never "set" the rules we had a say in them, and companies always had to "prove" they met the standards set as they will now | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure "If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay, | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay, "How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay, "Stop illegal immigration? Mission Impossible. Illegal immigration has always been and always will be. | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry ". Thousands do try that exact route, that's how silly you are. | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry .
Thousands do try that exact route, that's how silly you are. "Do they? how many are getting in that way ? Imagine thinking border checks will stop illegal immigrants | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry "Well they aren't going to swim here and have you never been to France and seen them hanging about in service stations looking to get into trailers etc, then of course there are the organised gangs. Less likely on a plane but always those who aren't meant to be coming in without visas etc that need checking for. | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry
Well they aren't going to swim here and have you never been to France and seen them hanging about in service stations looking to get into trailers etc, then of course there are the organised gangs. Less likely on a plane but always those who aren't meant to be coming in without visas etc that need checking for."They come here in trucks, boats etc etc, you are being naive if you think leaving the EU will stop illegal immigrants | |||
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" You forgot to add the cost of converting compliance from global standards, to EU standards if your company trades with a European country. If you sell anything to a business customer you have to meet their spec requirements and standards, it makes no difference if its to one in your own country the EU or any other country in the world, some standards will be set by the countries government such as safety standards for kids toys or emissions by vehicles etc, others will be set by an individual companysuch as the ingredients in a food product or the tolerances in a machine part, companies are well used to such things and take it as part of doing business We won't be setting the rules on EU standards anymore and will have to prove compliance if UK standards are not recognised. Will have to see how the negotiations work out. We never "set" the rules we had a say in them, and companies always had to "prove" they met the standards set as they will now" You are splitting hairs. We had one of the loudest voices and had a big influence on all regulation in one of the world's big three trading blocks. Now we have none. Our domestic standards agencies could assess agreed standards were met. That is now up for negotiation. | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry
Well they aren't going to swim here and have you never been to France and seen them hanging about in service stations looking to get into trailers etc, then of course there are the organised gangs. Less likely on a plane but always those who aren't meant to be coming in without visas etc that need checking for.
They come here in trucks, boats etc etc, you are being naive if you think leaving the EU will stop illegal immigrants "few come in boats, so trucks aren't vehicles then, of course that's the way most get in and now we can check every single truck/vehicle if we wish to we can stop illegals IF we put the effort in, that is a big IF | |||
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" You are splitting hairs. We had one of the loudest voices and had a big influence on all regulation in one of the world's big three trading blocks. Now we have none. Our domestic standards agencies could assess agreed standards were met. That is now up for negotiation." I can only speak for the sector I operate in and we have had little influence, too many of the decisions have been taken for political reasons and not science or common sense based, euro business are going to be put at a huge disadvantage often under the pretence of green policies but all we have done is export jobs and pollution abroad | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
True, but people voted for Brexit to ‘take back control’ of our borders, you can’t have that without stringent , regular checks "That bit was left out of the explanation | |||
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"Nobody has said every vehicle will get checked once we're fully out but more will be checked than we have now that's for sure
If we want to stop illegal immigrants then it's a price we have to pay,
How will border checks stop illegal immigrants, they are unlikely to try and come here on the plane or ferry
Well they aren't going to swim here and have you never been to France and seen them hanging about in service stations looking to get into trailers etc, then of course there are the organised gangs. Less likely on a plane but always those who aren't meant to be coming in without visas etc that need checking for.
They come here in trucks, boats etc etc, you are being naive if you think leaving the EU will stop illegal immigrants
few come in boats, so trucks aren't vehicles then, of course that's the way most get in and now we can check every single truck/vehicle if we wish to we can stop illegals IF we put the effort in, that is a big IF"So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ?" What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening " Maybe we can machine gun the dinghies as they come over the horizon now? | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening Maybe we can machine gun the dinghies as they come over the horizon now? " Is that the post EU plan? | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening Maybe we can machine gun the dinghies as they come over the horizon now? Is that the post EU plan? " Possibly, you never know in the future Republic of Boris's Britain | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening Maybe we can machine gun the dinghies as they come over the horizon now? Is that the post EU plan? Possibly, you never know in the future Republic of Boris's Britain "Do you mean Cummings Britain | |||
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"Nah, while I accept Cummings can influence Boris quite a lot I still think Boris is still his own man and Cummings is on a leash, maybe a long one though. " We will have to agree to disagree there, Cummings is the man pulling all the strings, I don’t know how long it will last though. But those who voted Tory and Brexit must have trust in Cummings anyway , so no complaints from them | |||
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"Nah, while I accept Cummings can influence Boris quite a lot I still think Boris is still his own man and Cummings is on a leash, maybe a long one though. We will have to agree to disagree there, Cummings is the man pulling all the strings, I don’t know how long it will last though. But those who voted Tory and Brexit must have trust in Cummings anyway , so no complaints from them " I do see where you're coming from though and who knows, you could be right. | |||
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"Nah, while I accept Cummings can influence Boris quite a lot I still think Boris is still his own man and Cummings is on a leash, maybe a long one though. We will have to agree to disagree there, Cummings is the man pulling all the strings, I don’t know how long it will last though. But those who voted Tory and Brexit must have trust in Cummings anyway , so no complaints from them I do see where you're coming from though and who knows, you could be right. " Only time will tell, | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening " It's in use now, kit that detects higher levels of CO2 in containers,curtainsiders caravans and cars etc, also there are detectors for the raised heat from stowaways. Have you never been swapped going through airports or ports. Just the same as folk who say there is no way to check stuff going over the irish border when it's all in use every day, | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening It's in use now, kit that detects higher levels of CO2 in containers,curtainsiders caravans and cars etc, also there are detectors for the raised heat from stowaways. Have you never been swapped going through airports or ports. Just the same as folk who say there is no way to check stuff going over the irish border when it's all in use every day, " Not according to Michael Gove, only time will tell, but if they are going to check every single vehicle it is going to create alot of delays | |||
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"N So you want to check thoroughly every single vehicle entering our borders ? That isn't want Boris wants, I think you might be disappointed With modern tech it's not that hard IF the will is there to do it. Are YOU happy to have illegals here, who MAY commit crime etc ? What modern technology? Gove has admitted that there is nothing remotely suitable until 2025 at the earliest. No , I am not HAPPY that illegal immigrants or anyone here commits crime. I really don’t see how leaving the EU is going to stop that from happening It's in use now, kit that detects higher levels of CO2 in containers,curtainsiders caravans and cars etc, also there are detectors for the raised heat from stowaways. Have you never been swapped going through airports or ports. Just the same as folk who say there is no way to check stuff going over the irish border when it's all in use every day, " Yes this technology exists but you still have to physically stop the vehicle to check it | |||
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"I am still strugling to understand how we went from wanting to control our borders with the EU to let's impose a border between the UK and the UK ,, how many of the 17.4million who voted leave walked out of the polling booth actually realizing they had voted for a border down The Irish Sea ?" I bet none of them. They will still pretend that they are happy with everything boris (cummings) will do. No matter how bad it is and how bad it will affect the country. For them brexit means brexit and nothing else is important. | |||
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"I am still strugling to understand how we went from wanting to control our borders with the EU to let's impose a border between the UK and the UK ,, how many of the 17.4million who voted leave walked out of the polling booth actually realizing they had voted for a border down The Irish Sea ?" We have been in a common travel area with Ireland since 1952, although no travel restrictions were in place before that time in effect. So if the EU wants a border then they will have to tell Ureland to scrap that agreement, of course if it is scrapped then the UK will hopefully be able to send back all the thieving scum bag pikie which are such a scourge on many communities, that wont go down well with the people I know in Ireland as they certainly dont want them back. | |||
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"How do you check passports at this border down the Irish Sea?. Will there be a floating immigration post at 30,000 feet for planes to check into and one bobbing about in the sea for boats to stop at to be boarded for people to have their passports checked. Can anyone show me a map showing the dotted line denoting this “border “ ?. Or is it just a phrase?. Not a thing ?. " . Good questions , ,, maybe one of the 17.4 million who appear happy to go along with what they are now being told they voted for can answer | |||
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"It was a sarcastic question . Jeez." . My question wasn't sarcastic , but still no answer ,,how have leavers gone from wanting a border with the EU to not wanting a border with the EU but wanting a border within the UK ? | |||
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"Do you actually know what this border ACTUALLY refers to ?" . ,,,,at last ,,,, I think we might be getting there ,,,, NO ,,, I don't know what a border between the UK and the UK is and that is why I have been asking and I definitely do not know why those who voted to control our UK borders between the UK and the EU are now silently accepting a border between the UK and the UK ,,,PLEASE explain | |||
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"A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”. C B, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked. “Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter." Airport training of staff led to the delay, nothing to do with Brexit while we're in the transition period till 1st Jan 2021 | |||
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"A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”. C B, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked. “Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter." Take back control | |||
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"A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”. C B, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked. “Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter." He should have taken some fish for them as a sweetener. | |||
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"A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for”. C B, who described himself as one of the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit, said he was forced to wait for nearly an hour at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol before his passport was checked. “Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter. Airport training of staff led to the delay, nothing to do with Brexit while we're in the transition period till 1st Jan 2021" This is just another example that those leavers do not understand what Brexit means and what the consequences will be after 31.12.2020. | |||
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"I sailed through Frankfurt airport passport check last week - non Eu line - while the Eu line looked quite busy Works for me Six of one half a dozen the other ! " What works for you does not work for others | |||
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"I sailed through Frankfurt airport passport check last week - non Eu line - while the Eu line looked quite busy Works for me Six of one half a dozen the other ! What works for you does not work for others "Sounds like guy in Amsterdam had an issue with Amsterdam airport staff . If it was a “we’ve now left the Eu” issue then I would have encountered the same problems at Frankfurt airport . I didn’t and passed through the Eu border without any problem I’m sure the thousands of other people crossing the Eu border are also passing through without any issue. But hey, you carry on with your head in the sand thinking that a twitter report from one guy waiting at Amsterdam airport is the same experience for every Brit travelling to Europe . What’s your own experience? Been out of U.K. and had any issues crossing Eu border / coming back in to U.K. ? | |||
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"I sailed through Frankfurt airport passport check last week - non Eu line - while the Eu line looked quite busy Works for me Six of one half a dozen the other ! What works for you does not work for others
Sounds like guy in Amsterdam had an issue with Amsterdam airport staff .
If it was a “we’ve now left the Eu” issue then I would have encountered the same problems at Frankfurt airport .
I didn’t and passed through the Eu border without any problem
I’m sure the thousands of other people crossing the Eu border are also passing through without any issue.
But hey, you carry on with your head in the sand thinking that a twitter report from one guy waiting at Amsterdam airport is the same experience for every Brit travelling to Europe .
What’s your own experience? Been out of U.K. and had any issues crossing Eu border / coming back in to U.K. ?"Transition period. Nothing has changed in regards to travel to and from the EU | |||
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"I sailed through Frankfurt airport passport check last week - non Eu line - while the Eu line looked quite busy Works for me Six of one half a dozen the other ! What works for you does not work for others
Sounds like guy in Amsterdam had an issue with Amsterdam airport staff .
If it was a “we’ve now left the Eu” issue then I would have encountered the same problems at Frankfurt airport .
I didn’t and passed through the Eu border without any problem
I’m sure the thousands of other people crossing the Eu border are also passing through without any issue.
But hey, you carry on with your head in the sand thinking that a twitter report from one guy waiting at Amsterdam airport is the same experience for every Brit travelling to Europe .
What’s your own experience? Been out of U.K. and had any issues crossing Eu border / coming back in to U.K. ?"Maybe you are right but the airport staff had training and it will look like this on December 31. Now is the transition period and nothing has changed. Yes. I left Great Britain before January 31 and returned home after January 31 without any problems of border checks. The only thing that surprised me was that the police asked everyone who got off the planes where they came from. But it was rather related to the virus because medical services were also present. | |||
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"I still reckon the Q at our major airports for non EU nationals next year will be smaller than the gigantic Q’s at Gatwick at present for EU nationals. Whenever I glance at the other Q, there’s about 10 people in it lol " . I was worried that Qs on the island of Ireland between the UK and the EU would lead to problems ,but since Johnson has decided to put a border down the Irish Sea ,I can't imagine it being too long before Ireland once again becomes one country ,,and the silence from the 17,4 million leavers about the boris border ( "we dont care what happens as long as brexit means brexit" ) appears to confirm my thoughts | |||
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"The common travel area (CTA) between the UK and the ROI will remain post Brexit regardless of any negotiations with the EU. Both governments have signed a treaty to reflect this. " The issue is that shoddy goods imported on the cheap to the UK, can be shipped to NI relabeled and moved into the EU. So checks are needed on what's going where. | |||
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"The common travel area (CTA) between the UK and the ROI will remain post Brexit regardless of any negotiations with the EU. Both governments have signed a treaty to reflect this. The issue is that shoddy goods imported on the cheap to the UK, can be shipped to NI relabeled and moved into the EU. So checks are needed on what's going where. " That scenario could be happening right now. It’s called crime. So won’t checks lessen the amount of crime ? | |||
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"Yep....too many collaborators in France and Huddersfield. Lol" . while you silently allow our own government to break up the United Kingdom , begining with a different deal for Northern Ireland ,,is that what you voted for ? | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me" . Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me" No, you are right the UK isn’t breaking up the U.K. but you are nitpicking. The current U.K. Govt have thrown their long time Unionist allies in N Ireland under the bus. Because of Brexit, for the first time ever, the Unionist political Party's are now in a minority in N Ireland. The SNP control Scotland and have a grip on Scottish politics. They are demanding IndyRef2 and as long as Johnson continues to deny them their vote and as long as the English continue with the persistent (and false) claim the Scotland could not afford life without England - do attitudes in the north will harden and the day of separation will come inexorably closer. So the posters intended point that the Conservative Govt is choosing courses of action that is encouraging the break up of the United Kingdom - through sheer stupidity. It is not beyond the realms of possibility for Johnson to have overseen Brexit and the subsequent break up of the United Kingdom. The most shameful, shambolic and damaging outcomes to this country for hundreds of years. | |||
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"From to nights Belfast Telegraph it is apparent that we do not have to be too concerned about a United Ireland. The survey results indicate that 29 % would back a United Ireland but 52 % back remaining in the UK if a referendum was held imminently . Luckily Scotland has already held a referendum and we already know the result of that. Most Scots people are quite financially astute and are hardly going to throw away the various subsidies which they receive as being part of the Union. " Well said . Couldn’t have put it better myself | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me. Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please " I have explained it many times perhaps you are the one that disappears so one last time. We have had a free movement area with Ireland for decades before the EU was ever thought of, this will continue, unless of course the EU force Ireland to break that agreement, as for goods their is total traceability for animals and animal products now so no controls are needed there and as Southampton docks have said only 2 percent of goods are ever actually checked and no reason why that cant be done in Ireland and away from the border, it's all a paperwork trail yes some will break the rules just like they do at any port of entrance into the EU now. | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me. Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please I have explained it many times perhaps you are the one that disappears so one last time. We have had a free movement area with Ireland for decades before the EU was ever thought of, this will continue, unless of course the EU force Ireland to break that agreement, as for goods their is total traceability for animals and animal products now so no controls are needed there and as Southampton docks have said only 2 percent of goods are ever actually checked and no reason why that cant be done in Ireland and away from the border, it's all a paperwork trail yes some will break the rules just like they do at any port of entrance into the EU now. " . Thank you for your explanation of the way you see things ,I do "get" what you are saying which is in line with what the government is now saying , My issue is that it appears completely contradictory to what I thought we were voting for prior to the referendum . Those who voted leave now appear happy not to control our border with the EU and at no stage prior to voting did I consider voting leave would lead to areas of the UK being treated diffently to other areas of the UK with internal border contols , be they on the border or somewhere where we are pretending to have a border .But thanks once again for giving your "take" of where we are now , I still wonder though how many of the 17.4 million who voted leave would have thought they were voting for what you describe when they put their "x" on the ballot paper | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me. Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please I have explained it many times perhaps you are the one that disappears so one last time. We have had a free movement area with Ireland for decades before the EU was ever thought of, this will continue, unless of course the EU force Ireland to break that agreement, as for goods their is total traceability for animals and animal products now so no controls are needed there and as Southampton docks have said only 2 percent of goods are ever actually checked and no reason why that cant be done in Ireland and away from the border, it's all a paperwork trail yes some will break the rules just like they do at any port of entrance into the EU now. . Thank you for your explanation of the way you see things ,I do "get" what you are saying which is in line with what the government is now saying , My issue is that it appears completely contradictory to what I thought we were voting for prior to the referendum . Those who voted leave now appear happy not to control our border with the EU and at no stage prior to voting did I consider voting leave would lead to areas of the UK being treated diffently to other areas of the UK with internal border contols , be they on the border or somewhere where we are pretending to have a border .But thanks once again for giving your "take" of where we are now , I still wonder though how many of the 17.4 million who voted leave would have thought they were voting for what you describe when they put their "x" on the ballot paper " I dont think any land border is very secure for those that want to get over, the irish one has hundreds of little roads and lanes, the benefit so far for us is that Ireland isnt in schengen so they can check who is coming in and of course if we find unwanted EU citizens here we can remove them, I doubt that will be a huge problem against illegal non EU ones | |||
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"From to nights Belfast Telegraph it is apparent that we do not have to be too concerned about a United Ireland. The survey results indicate that 29 % would back a United Ireland but 52 % back remaining in the UK if a referendum was held imminently . Luckily Scotland has already held a referendum and we already know the result of that. Most Scots people are quite financially astute and are hardly going to throw away the various subsidies which they receive as being part of the Union. " So 19% are undecided? | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me. Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please I have explained it many times perhaps you are the one that disappears so one last time. We have had a free movement area with Ireland for decades before the EU was ever thought of, this will continue, unless of course the EU force Ireland to break that agreement, as for goods their is total traceability for animals and animal products now so no controls are needed there and as Southampton docks have said only 2 percent of goods are ever actually checked and no reason why that cant be done in Ireland and away from the border, it's all a paperwork trail yes some will break the rules just like they do at any port of entrance into the EU now. . Thank you for your explanation of the way you see things ,I do "get" what you are saying which is in line with what the government is now saying , My issue is that it appears completely contradictory to what I thought we were voting for prior to the referendum . Those who voted leave now appear happy not to control our border with the EU and at no stage prior to voting did I consider voting leave would lead to areas of the UK being treated diffently to other areas of the UK with internal border contols , be they on the border or somewhere where we are pretending to have a border .But thanks once again for giving your "take" of where we are now , I still wonder though how many of the 17.4 million who voted leave would have thought they were voting for what you describe when they put their "x" on the ballot paper I dont think any land border is very secure for those that want to get over, the irish one has hundreds of little roads and lanes, the benefit so far for us is that Ireland isnt in schengen so they can check who is coming in and of course if we find unwanted EU citizens here we can remove them, I doubt that will be a huge problem against illegal non EU ones " Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. | |||
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"The UK isn’t breaking up the UK..., fuck me. Please explain the border between the UK and the UK down the Irish Sea then , and why we don't need a border between the UK and the EU on the island of Ireland if we wish to control our borders ,,it must be what leavers voted for because that is what we appear to be getting so shouldn't be too difficult to explain ,,but on the numerous times I have asked this question leavers seem to dissapear for a few days ,,not really looking for xenophobic or racist comments just an explanation of the border situation ,please I have explained it many times perhaps you are the one that disappears so one last time. We have had a free movement area with Ireland for decades before the EU was ever thought of, this will continue, unless of course the EU force Ireland to break that agreement, as for goods their is total traceability for animals and animal products now so no controls are needed there and as Southampton docks have said only 2 percent of goods are ever actually checked and no reason why that cant be done in Ireland and away from the border, it's all a paperwork trail yes some will break the rules just like they do at any port of entrance into the EU now. . Thank you for your explanation of the way you see things ,I do "get" what you are saying which is in line with what the government is now saying , My issue is that it appears completely contradictory to what I thought we were voting for prior to the referendum . Those who voted leave now appear happy not to control our border with the EU and at no stage prior to voting did I consider voting leave would lead to areas of the UK being treated diffently to other areas of the UK with internal border contols , be they on the border or somewhere where we are pretending to have a border .But thanks once again for giving your "take" of where we are now , I still wonder though how many of the 17.4 million who voted leave would have thought they were voting for what you describe when they put their "x" on the ballot paper I dont think any land border is very secure for those that want to get over, the irish one has hundreds of little roads and lanes, the benefit so far for us is that Ireland isnt in schengen so they can check who is coming in and of course if we find unwanted EU citizens here we can remove them, I doubt that will be a huge problem against illegal non EU ones Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. " The clue is in the word illegal. Brexit won’t stop people murdering each other either | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. " Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here " How many people are currently in the uk with an out of date visa? | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here How many people are currently in the uk with an out of date visa? " About 1 million. This is a very small problem | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here " About 1 million illegal immigrants is not a huge problem? | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here About 1 million illegal immigrants is not a huge problem? " Exactly and how many of the 1 million are from the EU? | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here About 1 million illegal immigrants is not a huge problem? Exactly and how many of the 1 million are from the EU? "Thats a stupid question you cant be illegal if you are from an eu country at the moment. | |||
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" Illegal immigration is a huge problem and brexit will not change that anyway. If anyone thinks that brexit will change anything in illegal immigration then he is a huge dreamer. Define what you call "huge" . While one illegal is one too many I dont think we have that many, probably a big percentage are those who have overstayed their visas which is the easiest way of getting here About 1 million illegal immigrants is not a huge problem? Exactly and how many of the 1 million are from the EU? Thats a stupid question you cant be illegal if you are from an eu country at the moment."Exactly, we have approximately 1 million illegal immigrants and none are from the EU | |||
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"If you lived in Northern Ireland , you would know that on many levels and issues it is already treated differently to say wales and Scotland . That there is a land border with a foreign country is one reason . The historical issues are another. So when the UK leaves the EU, that country it borders is not just a foreign country, it is a country in a different trading , economic , legal etc etc position. How else can matters be resolved if Ni and the ROI are no longer members of the same club? You tell me ?. There is already a border between NI and the ROI. Both countries have different levels of VAT, corporation tax, currencies, speed limits , the list is already very long. Yet with everything that is different, it is all managed smoothly, almost exclusively electronically. People go on and on and on and on about the border and taking control with no idea what they are talking about . Even if there are tariffs, they will be conducted electronically . Smuggling I hear you say. There is smuggling now. There will be smuggling post transition period . So ?. No change . 99.99 per cent of trade is legal , trusted traders and that will continue. Smuggling will always happen, The UK will never have a hard border. The EU dont want a hard border. The ROI definately dont want a hard border. A technical border down the Irish Sea will exist for technical trading necessities due to the unique geography . This is no different to existing differences such as different currencies and different tax regimes. People need to calm down . The sky hasn’t fallen in and won’t fall in. If anything, NI will greatly benefit from the small changes being introduced " . Appreciate your effort but you actually raise more questions than you answer ,,firstly I go on and on about border because we were told we were going to control our borders , no mention that we wouldn't have one , I can understand that ROI doesn't want a hard border , they haven't voted for one ,we have ,,, you also mention different rates of tax ,currencies ,speed limits adding the list is very long ,,if we can set our own tax ,speed limits etc, while a member of the EU it appears we can set our own regulations, dispelling yet another leave myth , the fact that Northern Ireland will benefit from the new Boris border deal is good news for Northern Ireland, those living in ,Belfast, for example have the best of both worlds ( both in and out of the EU ) I do agree that the, sky hasn't or won't fall in , surprised they didn't put that the sky won't fall in on the side of a bus | |||
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"If you lived in Northern Ireland , you would know that on many levels and issues it is already treated differently to say wales and Scotland . That there is a land border with a foreign country is one reason . The historical issues are another. So when the UK leaves the EU, that country it borders is not just a foreign country, it is a country in a different trading , economic , legal etc etc position. How else can matters be resolved if Ni and the ROI are no longer members of the same club? You tell me ?. There is already a border between NI and the ROI. Both countries have different levels of VAT, corporation tax, currencies, speed limits , the list is already very long. Yet with everything that is different, it is all managed smoothly, almost exclusively electronically. People go on and on and on and on about the border and taking control with no idea what they are talking about . Even if there are tariffs, they will be conducted electronically . Smuggling I hear you say. There is smuggling now. There will be smuggling post transition period . So ?. No change . 99.99 per cent of trade is legal , trusted traders and that will continue. Smuggling will always happen, The UK will never have a hard border. The EU dont want a hard border. The ROI definately dont want a hard border. A technical border down the Irish Sea will exist for technical trading necessities due to the unique geography . This is no different to existing differences such as different currencies and different tax regimes. People need to calm down . The sky hasn’t fallen in and won’t fall in. If anything, NI will greatly benefit from the small changes being introduced . Appreciate your effort but you actually raise more questions than you answer ,,firstly I go on and on about border because we were told we were going to control our borders , no mention that we wouldn't have one , I can understand that ROI doesn't want a hard border , they haven't voted for one ,we have ,,, you also mention different rates of tax ,currencies ,speed limits adding the list is very long ,,if we can set our own tax ,speed limits etc, while a member of the EU it appears we can set our own regulations, dispelling yet another leave myth , the fact that Northern Ireland will benefit from the new Boris border deal is good news for Northern Ireland, those living in ,Belfast, for example have the best of both worlds ( both in and out of the EU ) I do agree that the, sky hasn't or won't fall in , surprised they didn't put that the sky won't fall in on the side of a bus" “We” haven’t voted for a hard border. There will NEVER be a hard border. It’s impossible. Impossible. Just because you keep saying there will be a hard border doesn’t make it true. | |||
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"If you lived in Northern Ireland , you would know that on many levels and issues it is already treated differently to say wales and Scotland . That there is a land border with a foreign country is one reason . The historical issues are another. So when the UK leaves the EU, that country it borders is not just a foreign country, it is a country in a different trading , economic , legal etc etc position. How else can matters be resolved if Ni and the ROI are no longer members of the same club? You tell me ?. There is already a border between NI and the ROI. Both countries have different levels of VAT, corporation tax, currencies, speed limits , the list is already very long. Yet with everything that is different, it is all managed smoothly, almost exclusively electronically. People go on and on and on and on about the border and taking control with no idea what they are talking about . Even if there are tariffs, they will be conducted electronically . Smuggling I hear you say. There is smuggling now. There will be smuggling post transition period . So ?. No change . 99.99 per cent of trade is legal , trusted traders and that will continue. Smuggling will always happen, The UK will never have a hard border. The EU dont want a hard border. The ROI definately dont want a hard border. A technical border down the Irish Sea will exist for technical trading necessities due to the unique geography . This is no different to existing differences such as different currencies and different tax regimes. People need to calm down . The sky hasn’t fallen in and won’t fall in. If anything, NI will greatly benefit from the small changes being introduced . Appreciate your effort but you actually raise more questions than you answer ,,firstly I go on and on about border because we were told we were going to control our borders , no mention that we wouldn't have one , I can understand that ROI doesn't want a hard border , they haven't voted for one ,we have ,,, you also mention different rates of tax ,currencies ,speed limits adding the list is very long ,,if we can set our own tax ,speed limits etc, while a member of the EU it appears we can set our own regulations, dispelling yet another leave myth , the fact that Northern Ireland will benefit from the new Boris border deal is good news for Northern Ireland, those living in ,Belfast, for example have the best of both worlds ( both in and out of the EU ) I do agree that the, sky hasn't or won't fall in , surprised they didn't put that the sky won't fall in on the side of a bus “We” haven’t voted for a hard border. There will NEVER be a hard border. It’s impossible. Impossible. Just because you keep saying there will be a hard border doesn’t make it true. " How can we ‘take back control ‘ of our borders then? | |||
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"If you lived in Northern Ireland , you would know that on many levels and issues it is already treated differently to say wales and Scotland . That there is a land border with a foreign country is one reason . The historical issues are another. So when the UK leaves the EU, that country it borders is not just a foreign country, it is a country in a different trading , economic , legal etc etc position. How else can matters be resolved if Ni and the ROI are no longer members of the same club? You tell me ?. There is already a border between NI and the ROI. Both countries have different levels of VAT, corporation tax, currencies, speed limits , the list is already very long. Yet with everything that is different, it is all managed smoothly, almost exclusively electronically. People go on and on and on and on about the border and taking control with no idea what they are talking about . Even if there are tariffs, they will be conducted electronically . Smuggling I hear you say. There is smuggling now. There will be smuggling post transition period . So ?. No change . 99.99 per cent of trade is legal , trusted traders and that will continue. Smuggling will always happen, The UK will never have a hard border. The EU dont want a hard border. The ROI definately dont want a hard border. A technical border down the Irish Sea will exist for technical trading necessities due to the unique geography . This is no different to existing differences such as different currencies and different tax regimes. People need to calm down . The sky hasn’t fallen in and won’t fall in. If anything, NI will greatly benefit from the small changes being introduced . Appreciate your effort but you actually raise more questions than you answer ,,firstly I go on and on about border because we were told we were going to control our borders , no mention that we wouldn't have one , I can understand that ROI doesn't want a hard border , they haven't voted for one ,we have ,,, you also mention different rates of tax ,currencies ,speed limits adding the list is very long ,,if we can set our own tax ,speed limits etc, while a member of the EU it appears we can set our own regulations, dispelling yet another leave myth , the fact that Northern Ireland will benefit from the new Boris border deal is good news for Northern Ireland, those living in ,Belfast, for example have the best of both worlds ( both in and out of the EU ) I do agree that the, sky hasn't or won't fall in , surprised they didn't put that the sky won't fall in on the side of a bus “We” haven’t voted for a hard border. There will NEVER be a hard border. It’s impossible. Impossible. Just because you keep saying there will be a hard border doesn’t make it true. " How do you maintain regulatory divergence and prevent freedom of movement without a hard border? | |||
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"There are several hundred border crossing points between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland . Hundreds. Enforcing a hard border would mean manned checkpoints on each and every one. And that’s going to happen is it ?" How do you ‘take back control’ of our borders then?? | |||
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"If you lived in Northern Ireland , you would know that on many levels and issues it is already treated differently to say wales and Scotland . That there is a land border with a foreign country is one reason . The historical issues are another. So when the UK leaves the EU, that country it borders is not just a foreign country, it is a country in a different trading , economic , legal etc etc position. How else can matters be resolved if Ni and the ROI are no longer members of the same club? You tell me ?. There is already a border between NI and the ROI. Both countries have different levels of VAT, corporation tax, currencies, speed limits , the list is already very long. Yet with everything that is different, it is all managed smoothly, almost exclusively electronically. People go on and on and on and on about the border and taking control with no idea what they are talking about . Even if there are tariffs, they will be conducted electronically . Smuggling I hear you say. There is smuggling now. There will be smuggling post transition period . So ?. No change . 99.99 per cent of trade is legal , trusted traders and that will continue. Smuggling will always happen, The UK will never have a hard border. The EU dont want a hard border. The ROI definately dont want a hard border. A technical border down the Irish Sea will exist for technical trading necessities due to the unique geography . This is no different to existing differences such as different currencies and different tax regimes. People need to calm down . The sky hasn’t fallen in and won’t fall in. If anything, NI will greatly benefit from the small changes being introduced . Appreciate your effort but you actually raise more questions than you answer ,,firstly I go on and on about border because we were told we were going to control our borders , no mention that we wouldn't have one , I can understand that ROI doesn't want a hard border , they haven't voted for one ,we have ,,, you also mention different rates of tax ,currencies ,speed limits adding the list is very long ,,if we can set our own tax ,speed limits etc, while a member of the EU it appears we can set our own regulations, dispelling yet another leave myth , the fact that Northern Ireland will benefit from the new Boris border deal is good news for Northern Ireland, those living in ,Belfast, for example have the best of both worlds ( both in and out of the EU ) I do agree that the, sky hasn't or won't fall in , surprised they didn't put that the sky won't fall in on the side of a bus “We” haven’t voted for a hard border. There will NEVER be a hard border. It’s impossible. Impossible. Just because you keep saying there will be a hard border doesn’t make it true. How do you maintain regulatory divergence and prevent freedom of movement without a hard border? " Northern Ireland is a very different community to the rest of the Uk . It has a small population , agriculture is an important part of the economy and communities are still tightly knit . It would be virtually impossible to arrive in Northern Ireland and just lose yourself . The majority of goods pass through the Port of Felixstowe unchecked and if necessary are custom cleared or sealed at the point of origin . We have moved on from paper based systems and the age or the horse and cart everything is now done electronically . Entry to Northern Ireland is tightly controlled and goods will arrive / depart via three main ports Larne , Belfast and Warrenpoint Movement in and out of these ports is monitored via surveillance cameras and every movement of a vehicle is recorded . Hauliers can be placed under a traffic light scheme ( similar to that operate by VOSA and this will allow customs officers to identify which vehicles ( if any are worth checking ) Further checks on vehicle movements are recorded on both the vehicle tracking systems and tachograpgh and in addition the mileage covered must agree to that on the vehicle management system . Large reputable hauliers are not going to risk losing their operators licence by failing to adhere to regulations . With the wide variety of cameras recording movements and all the data that is available to border officials to investigate discrepancies , the Northern Ireland is a complete non issue . | |||
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"The UK has more surveillance systems than any country on earth . And those are only the declared ones. And Northern Ireland has more of a certain camera per head of population than anywhere on earth. Suffice to say that when people say the technology doesnt exist to electronically monitor trade/ movement / manifests / cargoes/ ingress/egress; those people are quite wrong. Even smugglers find it hard to get around the systems. Routine , legal trade can be easily policed. Other than illegal, smuggled goods, you don’t need to open the back doors of a trailer to know what’s inside. That’s the way it’s always been and the way it will always be ." Micheal Gove said the technology won’t be available until 2025 at the earliest . Would it be fair to say he knows more about it than you | |||
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"We’ve had the technology for many years . He is quite wrong" Haha, so you know more than Micheal Gove? You better tell him what you know then | |||
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"We’ve had the technology for many years . He is quite wrong" There’s no border in the world with regulatory divergence on either side that is monitored purely by electronic means. Why do you think that is? | |||
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