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The cost of brexit is very expensive.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes, I saw that.
Won't make a blind bit of difference to people's opinion.
Nationalism grips the heart, not the head.
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That is right it does and they dont think of the consequences of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? "
I think that's what some leavers call the Brexit dividend  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes, I saw that.
Won't make a blind bit of difference to people's opinion.
Nationalism grips the heart, not the head.
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I agree, you will get leave voters on here saying it wasn’t about the money it was about sovereignty, taking back control etc etc. We all knew the economy would suffer , hopefully it won’t take 25 years for it to recover  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pro leavers will find something else to blame it all on.
They are too busy picking out their outfits for their party in Parliament Square at the end of the month.
-Matt"
Yeah, I see the crowding funding pages to pay for ringing Big Ben are going well |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pro leavers will find something else to blame it all on.
They are too busy picking out their outfits for their party in Parliament Square at the end of the month.
-Matt"
I heard Tresemme’s husband is quite good at personal shopping for ladies outfits, or is that just a scurrilous story? Me, I shall be wearing black on the day and laying a wreath in memory of 40 years of progressive harmony  |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
maidenhead |
For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
Clown no 1 being Boris? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
Well put!
And Gordon Brown stopped Blair's suicidal gallop toward the UK adopting the € when he was chancellor.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Economic growth stagnated more from indecision and the parliamentary games that were being played, nearly all business just held bk from investment etc due to uncertainty more than anything else, the messing around is why its cost the economy so dearly up to now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
Well put!
And Gordon Brown stopped Blair's suicidal gallop toward the UK adopting the € when he was chancellor.
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So it’s Blairs fault? How far are we going back , how about blaming 17.4 million who voted to join the EU in 1975?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
Who stopped Mays deal ? We could have left 2 years ago? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
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You don't understand how global markets work, clearly.
The collateral damage to a country like UK would be colossal.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
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You don't understand how global markets work, clearly.
The collateral damage to a country like UK would be colossal.
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That is right it is like mr patels corner shop v tesco. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both. "
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both. "
Hubris.
Cameron gambled Scotland, and thought he could repeat the trick.
Shoot the UKIP fox dead and preserve Conservative rule.
No contingency planning for any other outcome.
He told his EU counter-parts it would be 70:30.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? "
Give up your wasting your time,remoaning is dead as is the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? Give up your wasting your time,remoaning is dead as is the EU"
Haha, another fantastic and insightful contribution to the forum . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both. "
Because Cameron promised the euro sceptics in his party that he would. You don’t honestly think he called a referendum because he cared about what the general public thought ? |
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By *apiensWoman
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
That is so interesting. Can you explain a bit more about how the “clowns trying to stop [brexit]” caused the loss of economic growth please? |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
maidenhead |
"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
That is so interesting. Can you explain a bit more about how the “clowns trying to stop [brexit]” caused the loss of economic growth please? "
If you don’t already know how the uncertainty put the shits in to a large part of the people which has brought forward a small recession you are part of the problem lol. |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
maidenhead |
"Glad to see you all so posative....and guessing how bad things will get in future ...keep moaning no one is listening....party time here soon ...hope you all have a great britex party ...I will xx"
Let’s have a naked party together lol  |
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By *apiensWoman
over a year ago
glasgow |
"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
That is so interesting. Can you explain a bit more about how the “clowns trying to stop [brexit]” caused the loss of economic growth please?
If you don’t already know how the uncertainty put the shits in to a large part of the people which has brought forward a small recession you are part of the problem lol. "
Am I? That’s a shame. Perhaps you could explain it to me so that I can be less problematic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Glad to see you all so posative....and guessing how bad things will get in future ...keep moaning no one is listening....party time here soon ...hope you all have a great britex party ...I will xx"
What is Britex? Are you going to London for the 31st? Have you contributed to the Big Ben crowd funding page |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
That is so interesting. Can you explain a bit more about how the “clowns trying to stop [brexit]” caused the loss of economic growth please?
If you don’t already know how the uncertainty put the shits in to a large part of the people which has brought forward a small recession you are part of the problem lol. "
Part of the problem? What are you trying to say? Think carefully before you answer, be nice and dont just regurgitate the headlines. People on here are generally not stupid (although there are one or two exceptions) and if you have something worth saying then say it with respect. |
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Johnson did it - he managed to stop the UK potentially leaving earlier and May getting the attention that he believes he deserves, at whatever cost to you.
There is ample evidence of the swivel eyed burying their heads throughout the last 3 years, including some who care not for anyone or anything but their own simple greed. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Uncertainty?
Yes, the vote in 2016 created huge uncertainty.
Because no-one had defined what "leave" looked like.
Folks, own it - you voted for it, no-one else to blame.
This sense of denial, that it's all the fault of others, really doesn't look very good.
It's yours, it always has been.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hmmm.... I wonder what that £200billion spent on brexit could have bought? Never mind the £200billion that it has cost the economy in addition to the actual money thats been squandered!
How many years of EU contributions would that have paid for? I dont know....maybe I am a bit thick at times but in real terms we have spent more money and devalued our economy to a greater extent than we can ever recoup from leaving the EU so how can it be that the future is so bloody rosy? Explain it to me because all I see is creative accounting at best and a suicidal nosedive at worst. Oh and I am not moaning btw just in case the numpties start head wobbling again.... I just want a genuine, honest answer as to why throwing away £400billion doesnt matter? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hmmm.... I wonder what that £200billion spent on brexit could have bought? Never mind the £200billion that it has cost the economy in addition to the actual money thats been squandered!
How many years of EU contributions would that have paid for? I dont know....maybe I am a bit thick at times but in real terms we have spent more money and devalued our economy to a greater extent than we can ever recoup from leaving the EU so how can it be that the future is so bloody rosy? Explain it to me because all I see is creative accounting at best and a suicidal nosedive at worst. Oh and I am not moaning btw just in case the numpties start head wobbling again.... I just want a genuine, honest answer as to why throwing away £400billion doesnt matter? "
Yes cancel brexit. I would of spent the money on the much needed nhs instead |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work."
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work.
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it. "
Good point.
Stop moaning and give thanks for the shit sandwich we're being force fed.
If there is on thing we've learned from brexit, it's that there is no correlation between what best for the people of the country, and the way people vote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm loving britex ...making money one of my hobbies ...it's easy folks ...rather than moan ..spot opportunities and exploit...xx"
Rubber dingie sales on Northern French beaches |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work.
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it. "
I expected better from you Alex. I am not moaning, I just am genuinely at a loss as to why nobody seems capable of explaining a real benefit rather than it being a case of the emperor’s new clothes. £400billion is a lot of money is it not? Perhaps you dont know the answer so its easier to say stop moaning and be positive which would be admirable in better circumstances but seems cock-eyed to me  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm loving britex ...making money one of my hobbies ...it's easy folks ...rather than moan ..spot opportunities and exploit...xx"
Anyone else remember Harry Enfield doing his “loadsamoney” character? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken. |
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken."
couldnt put it better meself |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken."
I think that it is a pretty clear point of what I am making and that is that brexit have costs more these 3 years than what they have payed to the eu in the 47 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken."
Yes we are leaving after being asked the question once in 2016 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken.
I think that it is a pretty clear point of what I am making and that is that brexit have costs more these 3 years than what they have payed to the eu in the 47 years."
That's what leavers call the Brexit bonus, The Brexit divided |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken.
I think that it is a pretty clear point of what I am making and that is that brexit have costs more these 3 years than what they have payed to the eu in the 47 years.
That's what leavers call the Brexit bonus, The Brexit divided "
That is right it is that too lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken."
What one can say is that so far Brexit has cost upwards of £400billion quid so how do you think its going? Any nett positives yet? Looking forward to hearing you cook up some figures |
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"I'm loving britex ...making money one of my hobbies ...it's easy folks ...rather than moan ..spot opportunities and exploit...xx"
Like flogging off the NHS?
Or hiring pensioners to pick cabbages? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Loved Harry Enfield...loads a money ....look and learn ...it's all about the pound ...being rich is shit loads better than being poor....xx"
Unless you're a multi billionaire. You're as fucked as the rest of us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken."
No. But Brexit has already cost billions and billions. and there are zero expected benefits.
People who are still optimistic. Are clearly not paying attention.
And some things we can predict. For example dropping a hammer on your foot, it's going to hurt. Sure, you don't know exactly how much, because you don't know what part of the foot it will hit, or at what angle. But what you know for sure is, there will be no easy trade deals, no benefit to ordinary people as a result of the hammer hitting your foot. |
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken.
No. But Brexit has already cost billions and billions. and there are zero expected benefits.
People who are still optimistic. Are clearly not paying attention.
And some things we can predict. For example dropping a hammer on your foot, it's going to hurt. Sure, you don't know exactly how much, because you don't know what part of the foot it will hit, or at what angle. But what you know for sure is, there will be no easy trade deals, no benefit to ordinary people as a result of the hammer hitting your foot."
It only hurts if, as a handyman , you are stupid enough not to wear protective footwear when working with heavy tools. Same as using a chainsaw without donning protective goggles . |
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"Shag, we had the referendum in June 2016.
We had a general election in May 2017
We had EU elections in May 2019 and finally another general election a month ago.
Every single time, we've given Westminster a very clear instruction.
Parliament is now, finally, getting on with delivering.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
We ARE leaving.
All these hypothetical what-if doom and gloom arguments were all presented back in 2016 - and we still voted to leave.
Let's make one thing perfectly clear.
No one can accurately predict the future!
You can not say, with any certainty whatsoever, what the economy WILL do or WOULD do if different decisions had been taken.
No. But Brexit has already cost billions and billions. and there are zero expected benefits.
People who are still optimistic. Are clearly not paying attention.
And some things we can predict. For example dropping a hammer on your foot, it's going to hurt. Sure, you don't know exactly how much, because you don't know what part of the foot it will hit, or at what angle. But what you know for sure is, there will be no easy trade deals, no benefit to ordinary people as a result of the hammer hitting your foot.
It only hurts if, as a handyman , you are stupid enough not to wear protective footwear when working with heavy tools. Same as using a chainsaw without donning protective goggles . "
For sure. That's an option. But even the person with a beat pair of boots and goggles, would be insane to think that dropping a hammer on their foot would being any benefit to the UK economy.
The point being. We do have some insight in to causality. Some people seem to think there is no way to predict what will happen in the future. I'm suggesting. There are some things you can predict. |
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No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch. |
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over a year ago
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work.
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it.
I expected better from you Alex. I am not moaning, I just am genuinely at a loss as to why nobody seems capable of explaining a real benefit rather than it being a case of the emperor’s new clothes. £400billion is a lot of money is it not? Perhaps you dont know the answer so its easier to say stop moaning and be positive which would be admirable in better circumstances but seems cock-eyed to me "
I apologise Mrjones, I didn't mean to come across as rude. I just get fed up with the constant criticism of Brexit.
Politicians voted by a massive majority to hold a referendum, all parties agreed to honour the result. I agree in hindsight that Prehaps it wasn't very well thought out.
Here we are 3 1/2 years later eventually are leaving and I feel most people are breathing a sigh of relief.
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work.
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it.
I expected better from you Alex. I am not moaning, I just am genuinely at a loss as to why nobody seems capable of explaining a real benefit rather than it being a case of the emperor’s new clothes. £400billion is a lot of money is it not? Perhaps you dont know the answer so its easier to say stop moaning and be positive which would be admirable in better circumstances but seems cock-eyed to me
I apologise Mrjones, I didn't mean to come across as rude. I just get fed up with the constant criticism of Brexit.
Politicians voted by a massive majority to hold a referendum, all parties agreed to honour the result. I agree in hindsight that Prehaps it wasn't very well thought out.
Here we are 3 1/2 years later eventually are leaving and I feel most people are breathing a sigh of relief.
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Indeed, the should we stay or leave argument was finished back in 2016 and I'm glad we're finally coming towards the end of the beginning on the 31st
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My view is that it has been and will continue to be very damaging to the country. I think it was also a massive trump vote, it was a way for people to say fuck you to the establishment.
The thing that saddens me is that it is still carrying on and we still have the conservatives in power. They are still yet to own the mess they have created, and the majority of the public are yet to wake up to who caused the mess.
It will be added to the catalog of economic disasters to befall us under the guidance of conservative governments.
People should consult history to get a true picture of how arrogant incompetence courses through the veins of that party.
They have gave us Suez under the Eden leadership, this was a monumental miscalculation, compounded by the fact he then did not have the backbone to see it through once it was in motion.
Then you have Heath who took us into the EU on a pack of lies.
Thatcher de-industrialised the economy, and signed us up to the ERM the precursor to the Euro, which was an absolute disaster for the treasury, the economy and sent interest rates through the roof.
We can now add Cameron to the list for offering the referendum with no plan at all for what to do if we chose to leave. He was so arrogant to believe it would never happen. |
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"My view is that it has been and will continue to be very damaging to the country. I think it was also a massive trump vote, it was a way for people to say fuck you to the establishment.
The thing that saddens me is that it is still carrying on and we still have the conservatives in power. They are still yet to own the mess they have created, and the majority of the public are yet to wake up to who caused the mess.
It will be added to the catalog of economic disasters to befall us under the guidance of conservative governments.
People should consult history to get a true picture of how arrogant incompetence courses through the veins of that party.
They have gave us Suez under the Eden leadership, this was a monumental miscalculation, compounded by the fact he then did not have the backbone to see it through once it was in motion.
Then you have Heath who took us into the EU on a pack of lies.
Thatcher de-industrialised the economy, and signed us up to the ERM the precursor to the Euro, which was an absolute disaster for the treasury, the economy and sent interest rates through the roof.
We can now add Cameron to the list for offering the referendum with no plan at all for what to do if we chose to leave. He was so arrogant to believe it would never happen. "
Conservative economic disasters. ?
Conservative economic disasters versus Labour economic disasters. Hmmmm |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
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"Loved Harry Enfield...loads a money ....look and learn ...it's all about the pound ...being rich is shit loads better than being poor....xx
Unless you're a multi billionaire. You're as fucked as the rest of us."
Ever thought about being clever enough to earn a billion.
We may only be fucked like you discribe by not being clever enough to earn money.
Let’s all vote labour then We can all stop Work a ponce off the state that will go broke then we will all be fucked lol. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Let’s all vote labour then We can all stop Work a ponce off the state that will go broke then we will all be fucked lol. "
An interesting turn of phrase, but I think I understand where you are coming from.
This is not the welfare state envisaged in 1945.
Back then - and, remember, Britain's debts then were enormous - welfare was considered affordable only in the event of full employment.
That was where the concept of nationalised industry came from.
A job for everyone who could work; welfare for those who could not.
That principle was maintained by successive Labour and Conservative governments until Thatcher.
She got rid of nationalised industry, so the link was severed.
So instead of paying people to work, now we pay people NOT to work.
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"My view is that it has been and will continue to be very damaging to the country. I think it was also a massive trump vote, it was a way for people to say fuck you to the establishment.
The thing that saddens me is that it is still carrying on and we still have the conservatives in power. They are still yet to own the mess they have created, and the majority of the public are yet to wake up to who caused the mess.
It will be added to the catalog of economic disasters to befall us under the guidance of conservative governments.
People should consult history to get a true picture of how arrogant incompetence courses through the veins of that party.
They have gave us Suez under the Eden leadership, this was a monumental miscalculation, compounded by the fact he then did not have the backbone to see it through once it was in motion.
Then you have Heath who took us into the EU on a pack of lies.
Thatcher de-industrialised the economy, and signed us up to the ERM the precursor to the Euro, which was an absolute disaster for the treasury, the economy and sent interest rates through the roof.
We can now add Cameron to the list for offering the referendum with no plan at all for what to do if we chose to leave. He was so arrogant to believe it would never happen.
Conservative economic disasters. ?
Conservative economic disasters versus Labour economic disasters. Hmmmm"
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"My view is that it has been and will continue to be very damaging to the country. I think it was also a massive trump vote, it was a way for people to say fuck you to the establishment.
The thing that saddens me is that it is still carrying on and we still have the conservatives in power. They are still yet to own the mess they have created, and the majority of the public are yet to wake up to who caused the mess.
It will be added to the catalog of economic disasters to befall us under the guidance of conservative governments.
People should consult history to get a true picture of how arrogant incompetence courses through the veins of that party.
They have gave us Suez under the Eden leadership, this was a monumental miscalculation, compounded by the fact he then did not have the backbone to see it through once it was in motion.
Then you have Heath who took us into the EU on a pack of lies.
Thatcher de-industrialised the economy, and signed us up to the ERM the precursor to the Euro, which was an absolute disaster for the treasury, the economy and sent interest rates through the roof.
We can now add Cameron to the list for offering the referendum with no plan at all for what to do if we chose to leave. He was so arrogant to believe it would never happen.
Conservative economic disasters. ?
Conservative economic disasters versus Labour economic disasters. Hmmmm"
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Put dolelites to work in the community....they should earn the free hangouts...and as for the girls knocking out chavies ..why should I pay for their pleasure ...kids are a business decision ...if you can't afford .keep legs shut xx |
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"Put dolelites to work in the community....they should earn the free hangouts...and as for the girls knocking out chavies ..why should I pay for their pleasure ...kids are a business decision ...if you can't afford .keep legs shut xx"
How would that work? |
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch. "
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you. |
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"Put dolelites to work in the community....they should earn the free hangouts...and as for the girls knocking out chavies ..why should I pay for their pleasure ...kids are a business decision ...if you can't afford .keep legs shut xx"
aw that’s right they earn a fortune don’t they lol get a grip
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you."
Go on then, give us the list. |
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over a year ago
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? "
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you."
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you. |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
"
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money"
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Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. "
Not in a million years mate, yes the dragging out has cost one hell of a lot more but the vote to leave cost billions just in it's own right. |
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"What I don't understand is if leaving the EU is going to be bad for business and making us a poorer country etc etc, why where we offered a referendum?
If a referendum only has 2 options there is a 50% chance on both.
That’s down to the conservatives thinking they could put the ukip party in their place and reassert their rights as the main, right of centre party. A massive miscalculation on their part which has forced them to move to the right to hang onto power. Dominic Cummings is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the country, even moreso than Nigel Farage and his backers who are intent on the destruction of the welfare state to their own benefit. The tories own this and how it turns out is all their own work.
This is what the country voted for. Labour haven't won an election for almost 15 years and the last three times the country has voted Brexit has won.
Accept this and stop moaning. By the way I don't think the tories are "hanging on to power" as you put it. "
I’ve totally accepted that we’re leaving. Johnson has a majority to back him. Which means now it’s all on Johnson and the tories. Nobody else.
Which is why he’s now clamouring for the country to come together - Sorry, Johnson. Not gonna happen. You wanted it? You got it. We’ll sit back and watch. |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money"
What happened to the pound overnight on 23rd June 2016? |
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you."
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money"
I haven't posted for a while coz I think, nah whats the point. The lefties don't listen anyway so let them stew in their oblivion. They seem to enjoy oblivion so I think I'll just let them enjoy going round and round in ever decreasing powerless circles. If that Rebecca what not woman wins their leadership why not just go the whole hog and name themselves the momentum party. Probably should be renamed the inertia party LOL.
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money"
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money
Why didn’t we leave with Theresa Mays deal in 2018? "
Because of the DUP
Because of a basic misinterpretation of what the backstop actually entailed.
Because of no overall majority
Because because because because lol |
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you.
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
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Good one
repeat what I said to you
Then repeat after me; I am a sore loser and I must try harder to be more conciliatory instead of complaining all the time. The country wants Brexit and the Tories and I must accept those 2 facts |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view?
Did it suffer more by being drawn out?
That should be a question.
And this thread proves so much
Exactly. Leave could have cost the country the price of a second hand Ford Focus. But instead , those unable to accept the will of the people dragged it out , dragged the country down , put the country down, acted like spoilt brats. All the dither, delay is what cost the money
Why didn’t we leave with Theresa Mays deal in 2018?
Because of the DUP
Because of a basic misinterpretation of what the backstop actually entailed.
Because of no overall majority
Because because because because lol"
Blame , blame , blame .
Why did the DUP not support her deal!?
Why was there a misinterpretation of the back stop ?
Why was there no overall majority?
The tories fault?
The tories fault?
The tories fault?
Fair comment ?
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you.
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
Good one
repeat what I said to you
Then repeat after me; I am a sore loser and I must try harder to be more conciliatory instead of complaining all the time. The country wants Brexit and the Tories and I must accept those 2 facts"
When have I or any other remainers suggest that we don't accept that some people in this country want brexit and the Tories?
Man you're weird. Your argument changes from post to post and makes less sense with each change in tac.
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you.
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
Good one
repeat what I said to you
Then repeat after me; I am a sore loser and I must try harder to be more conciliatory instead of complaining all the time. The country wants Brexit and the Tories and I must accept those 2 facts"
Oh give it a rest - you’re so busy attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you that you’re closing down this forum - haven’t you noticed that most of the interesting people are bored and taking a back seat at the moment? |
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you.
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
Good one
repeat what I said to you
Then repeat after me; I am a sore loser and I must try harder to be more conciliatory instead of complaining all the time. The country wants Brexit and the Tories and I must accept those 2 facts
Oh give it a rest - you’re so busy attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you that you’re closing down this forum - haven’t you noticed that most of the interesting people are bored and taking a back seat at the moment?"
It’s called free speech. If you don’t like it ...... just ignore my posts . That’s what forum guidelines state |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? "
It’s what most people want, they’ve made their bed now they have to lie in it.
It true to say that those who wanted to remain need to come to terms with the fact that we are going to leave on 31st January.
I know everyone on both sides are going to experience a rude awakening and there will be disappointment.
Let’s just hope we don’t fall too hard and the transition period is managed properly so we can all make best of the new reality we all have to deal with.
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
Factually wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to start.
But quitlings are not known for telling the truth |
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"No one predicted Brexit
No one predicted Trump
No one predicted Labour humiliation
Not many predicted Johnson for PM when he resigned as foreign secretary.
No one predicted the FTSE would remain pretty strong after June 2016
And that the pound hasn’t lost that much to the euro and the dollar.
Just like no one predicted Liverpool v Spurs for the final last year or Leicester winning the premiership. So don’t count your predictions before they hatch.
Well done. You listed some things that some people didn't predict.
We could make a longer list of things that we did predict that did happen.
But I fear the entire concept is already lost on you.
Just like the concept of defeat is lost on you. Just like the concept of an unelectable political party is lost on you.
Good one.
Repeat what I said to you.
Then say something that doesn't make any sense.
Good one
repeat what I said to you
Then repeat after me; I am a sore loser and I must try harder to be more conciliatory instead of complaining all the time. The country wants Brexit and the Tories and I must accept those 2 facts
Oh give it a rest - you’re so busy attacking everyone who doesn’t agree with you that you’re closing down this forum - haven’t you noticed that most of the interesting people are bored and taking a back seat at the moment?
It’s called free speech. If you don’t like it ...... just ignore my posts . That’s what forum guidelines state "
Fair enough - if you’re happy with that go for it - I would rather engage with people than shout them down but if that’s what rocks your boat I shall ignore your ranting |
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her. "
It wasn't Maggie that "didn't let our currency go", although I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have if she'd still been in power, but it was actually Gordon Brown who stood up to Tinny Blair over the issue and said "no".
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
It wasn't Maggie that "didn't let our currency go", although I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have if she'd still been in power, but it was actually Gordon Brown who stood up to Tinny Blair over the issue and said "no".
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Also why is this important?
Does anyone actually care what's written on the notes. As long as I can swap them for goods, services and pints of beer. Who cares? |
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"For me total bs the loss in growth is down to the clowns trying to stop it which is causing the problem.
Once we get out all there will be once the dust has settled will be a small import and export taxed going in either direction.
Once the euro fails in a few years we will all then say it was a great move as it hopefully should not bring us down with it.
Thank god maggy didn’t let our currency go a genius move by her.
It wasn't Maggie that "didn't let our currency go", although I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have if she'd still been in power, but it was actually Gordon Brown who stood up to Tinny Blair over the issue and said "no".
"
That is right, Brown may have done some things which in retrospect look like mistakes (selling off the gold reserves) but he made some very good calls too, like retaining the pound and encouraging the growth in small scale breweries. Then again the first casualty of war is truth, or so the saying goes! There are imho far too many foolish people on here who repeat lies without actually checking facts (from reputable sources) and I question whether they are just stirring the pot, too lazy to question themselves, or just mendacious? |
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over a year ago
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My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control... |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control..."
Be careful what you wish for. If the SNP just got on and ran 'your country' to the best of their ability instead of harping on about independence you'd have most of us No voters joining you. At the minute seeing the state of the hospitals, some signed off but unusable, contaminated water, money wasted on ship yard bailouts, police Scotland struggling for money and leaving people dying in crashed cars for days I'm worried for you... |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Be careful what you wish for. If the SNP just got on and ran 'your country' to the best of their ability instead of harping on about independence you'd have most of us No voters joining you. At the minute seeing the state of the hospitals, some signed off but unusable, contaminated water, money wasted on ship yard bailouts, police Scotland struggling for money and leaving people dying in crashed cars for days I'm worried for you..."
Well, that's what makes debates fun, isn't it? I'm no tinfoil hat "MSM is evil" type, but the brexit fiasco has shown that there's a lot of bias in the media. Each of those things you mention can be countered, but I'd rather have that happen in terms of a referendum. |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control..."
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough. |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough."
You got that the wrong way round. Scotland voted to stay in the UK then the UK voted to leave the EU.
If you don’t accept the importance of the correct order of those two events, you’re foolish or disingenuous |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough."
And things change - we don't all have the easy opt-out of an irish passport to fall back on...
Unlike ian paisley jr who got his not long after the vote |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough.
And things change - we don't all have the easy opt-out of an irish passport to fall back on...
Unlike ian paisley jr who got his not long after the vote"
And Paul Staines of Guido Fawkes - the Tory mouthpiece of choice. |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough.
You got that the wrong way round. Scotland voted to stay in the UK then the UK voted to leave the EU.
If you don’t accept the importance of the correct order of those two events, you’re foolish or disingenuous"
It doesn’t matter which way round it is . Boris Johnson is the PM of the UK and he has denied a request for another referendum. The SNP, as part of the devolved Scottish Parliament has to accept it. Now they should move on and stop being a spoilt brat one-trick party |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough.
And things change - we don't all have the easy opt-out of an irish passport to fall back on...
Unlike ian paisley jr who got his not long after the vote"
Alas the only way I can get an Irish passport is to become an Irish citizen which is a bit of a long drawn out process. I’ll see how long the Q’s are at immigration before I consider becoming a plastic paddy lol. |
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"My country voted remain
My country voted no to a conservative government in 2015, 2017 and 2019 (and at every election tion since the 50s)
My country was told in 2014 that the only way to stay in the EU was to vote No.
My country wants another IndyRef (48 out of 59) seats and isn't "allowed" according to that mop-haired twat. What the vote would be at that is up for debate.
So much for taking back control...
Your country is part of the UK. The UK voted Brexit. Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Westminster ultimately ruled Scotland . Tough.
You got that the wrong way round. Scotland voted to stay in the UK then the UK voted to leave the EU.
If you don’t accept the importance of the correct order of those two events, you’re foolish or disingenuous
It doesn’t matter which way round it is . Boris Johnson is the PM of the UK and he has denied a request for another referendum. The SNP, as part of the devolved Scottish Parliament has to accept it. Now they should move on and stop being a spoilt brat one-trick party"
‘they have to accept it’ - that’s not how democracy works, fella.
We all have the right to argue for what we believe is the correct course of action. Even if rejected once, twice or however many times. We have the right to continue arguing and agitating.
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If nothing had really changed within the UK then I agree you can't keep having referendums as and when a party decides but I can fully understand the clamour for another referendum when the situation has changed so much since. |
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"There was a calculation made by dan hanson on the bloombergs site of the cost of brexit and it came out to that brexit is likely to have cost the uk more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year.
They compared it with what the total amount the uk has paid towards the eu budget over the past 47 years and it was less.
The vote leave campaign costs £130 billion and further £70 billion will be likely to be added by the end of 2020.
That means the british economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the uk had not voted to leave the eu, what is your view? "
That would helped the NHS quite a bit.
Sadly this wasn't on the side of a bus though was it? |
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