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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
Midlands |
... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening  |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
because there professional politicians who know whats best for the little people even though the little people gave them a resounding fuck off last month they still think they know whats best for them.i can see labour having two or three leaders between now and the next GE |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
They are in a bit of a spot. They need to be scrutinising legislation not simply voting against everything. Having a leader that will take the division out of their seats and back brexit, will possibly win back voter confidence. There is a difference between holding the government to account and having unachievable policies. The right policies will need to be set out fast and stuck to as these few next years will pass quickly and voters will be watching to see if they are credible or just opposing with false promises.
Though as some say - they are in opposition, they don't need a mandate aye.  |
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Who would want the job ...who ever gets it knows the unions will control them ...the torys must be laughing there arses off ...if Boris does not fuck it up they must be in power for the next ten to twenty years....if Labour can't get the north back then even longer |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
I think their secret Tory wannabies  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Just as the electorate the Tory candidates needed to convince last summer was the fruit loops of the Tory grassroots, with rhetoric to match, so the electorate the Labour candidates need to convince today is the fruit loops of the Labour Party, with rhetoric to match. |
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Current labour have not learnt and never will learn. One or two of the candidates are saying the right things, unfortunately their common sense is not in line with extreme left wing policy. The extremist candidates, say it wasn’t Corbyn’s fault, their policies were sound and supported in the country and blame their huge defeat on the right wing media and “Brexit” ( whatever that means ). These platitudes will please the NEC , the unions and momentum ; hence another Corbynista will be elected so welcome to the wilderness ‘Labour’ |
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Labour's position on BREXIT, as indeed everyone's position on BREXIT, is irrelevant now. It may become relevant again in the future if BREXIT goes badly wrong but for now the issue is dead: BREXIT is happening for good or bad whether you want it or not.
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Because the leader of the party will be voted for by its membership..... which has been swelled with the hard left by the cult of Corbyn.
The reality is hard politics, whether left or right will never appeal to the Voting masses. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
We have a remainer Prime Minister - why not have a remainer as opposition leader? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Labour's position on BREXIT, as indeed everyone's position on BREXIT, is irrelevant now. It may become relevant again in the future if BREXIT goes badly wrong but for now the issue is dead: BREXIT is happening for good or bad whether you want it or not.
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month. "
I hope you are joking. 
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time. |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
We have a remainer Prime Minister - why not have a remainer as opposition leader?"
A remainer prime minister ? |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
We have a remainer Prime Minister - why not have a remainer as opposition leader?"
This is new.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month. "
I presume you're on about the Conservatives? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
We have a remainer Prime Minister - why not have a remainer as opposition leader?
This is new.."
Well, he's been a remainer far longer than he's been a leaver  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going on"
Some people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time."
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins "
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! "
You know some strange people i dont know anyone who jumps in dog shit and to be honest i dont want to. |
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Don't see what's wrong with a Remainer leader. We're going to leave the EU, and the chances are it'll be a shit show. Someone to say 'I didn't support this' in five years time might be quite helpful. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"... even considering a remainer?....
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Much snipped but... Brexit is going to happen and knowing the competence of Johnson and Co why do you think that Opposition to Brexit will be a bad thing?
I think that committed Brexiters will be as hard to find as female Unicorns in a few years time.
Ooops - I didn’t think Brexit would be like this lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's going to happen ...glad to see the remainers are now onside .......see lost again the second referendum proved it ...go great Britain we can do it ...yes we can xx"
Shit, did I miss a 2nd referendum |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's going to happen ...glad to see the remainers are now onside .......see lost again the second referendum proved it ...go great Britain we can do it ...yes we can xx"
When was the second referendum? They kept that quiet , I voted remain, can you explain what I have ‘lost’?? |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think? "
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! You know some strange people i dont know anyone who jumps in dog shit and to be honest i dont want to. "
The dogshit analogy is based upon the idea that sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.
Leavers on the other hand see it as a brave bold and fearless step into the unknown like sailing off to newfoundland was to previous generations.
The trouble is, the world is a smaller place now and there are no new horizons to explore so basically you are leaving the EU for some spurious attempt at independence (like a naive teenager leaving home) and, as ill- equipped as you are for the journey, you are determined to undertake it no matter how much suffering it brings you and your family.
As for who dares wins - equating leavers with the sas is just doggerel and a bit embarrassing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world. "
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The last election turned into a second referendum...and remainders got there arse kicked ...as did the great jc and the liberal woman....move on and upward "
Meanwhile....back in the real world you can hear the echo |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world.
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber? "
So you would have been happy for UKIP to pick up around 80 seats in 2015 then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The last election turned into a second referendum...and remainders got there arse kicked ...as did the great jc and the liberal woman....move on and upward "
Did it? How? Are all conservative and Brexit party voters leavers? And are the rest all remainers? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world.
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber?
So you would have been happy for UKIP to pick up around 80 seats in 2015 then."
Did you vote in the last 3 British general elections? |
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"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! You know some strange people i dont know anyone who jumps in dog shit and to be honest i dont want to.
The dogshit analogy is based upon the idea that sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.
Leavers on the other hand see it as a brave bold and fearless step into the unknown like sailing off to newfoundland was to previous generations.
The trouble is, the world is a smaller place now and there are no new horizons to explore so basically you are leaving the EU for some spurious attempt at independence (like a naive teenager leaving home) and, as ill- equipped as you are for the journey, you are determined to undertake it no matter how much suffering it brings you and your family.
As for who dares wins - equating leavers with the sas is just doggerel and a bit embarrassing. "
Only sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.? Meaning the majority of those who voted in the GE and the referendum are not sensible . Only remainers are sensible ? Ha ha ha ha |
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By *infonyCouple
over a year ago
Halifax |
"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Because they’re a bunch of imbeciles with shit for brains. They won’t be in power ever again at the rate they’re progressing. |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world.
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber?
So you would have been happy for UKIP to pick up around 80 seats in 2015 then.
Did you vote in the last 3 British general elections? "
I don't really see the relevance but FYI No I didn't. Happy now? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world.
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber?
So you would have been happy for UKIP to pick up around 80 seats in 2015 then.
Did you vote in the last 3 British general elections?
I don't really see the relevance but FYI No I didn't. Happy now?"
I was happy before I knew the answer, but thanks for clarifying what I suspected |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! You know some strange people i dont know anyone who jumps in dog shit and to be honest i dont want to.
The dogshit analogy is based upon the idea that sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.
Leavers on the other hand see it as a brave bold and fearless step into the unknown like sailing off to newfoundland was to previous generations.
The trouble is, the world is a smaller place now and there are no new horizons to explore so basically you are leaving the EU for some spurious attempt at independence (like a naive teenager leaving home) and, as ill- equipped as you are for the journey, you are determined to undertake it no matter how much suffering it brings you and your family.
As for who dares wins - equating leavers with the sas is just doggerel and a bit embarrassing.
Only sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.? Meaning the majority of those who voted in the GE and the referendum are not sensible . Only remainers are sensible ? Ha ha ha ha"
Can you explain how the ‘majority ‘ of people voted in the last GE agree with Brexit? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still no acceptance of leave ...what part don't u understand ....is it the word majority your struggling with xx"
Who are you talking to, try using quotes?? Can you explain why the GE was a second Brexit referendum ? |
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"Still no acceptance of leave ...what part don't u understand ....is it the word majority your struggling with xx"
Some people on here seem to have problems grasping reality don’t they ?? It’s not exactly rocket science is it lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still no acceptance of leave ...what part don't u understand ....is it the word majority your struggling with xx
Some people on here seem to have problems grasping reality don’t they ?? It’s not exactly rocket science is it lol"
O dear, maths isn’t your strong point then ? Look at the figures, how many people voted for the Cons & Brexit party? Now compare that with how many voted for the rest ? Can you accept that? Is it to difficult for you to understand? The people voted 52 -48 in the referendum? What is the vote share in the last GE? It is rubbish to suggest that the last GE was a second referendum? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
I hope you are joking.
If not:
2017 General election result.
Popular vote: Conservative 13,636,684 (42.4%) Labour 12,878,460 (40.0%)
Seats: Conservative 317. Labour 262.
Some win.
As for "winning the argument" last month?
If the biggest defeat since 1935 is winning, I'd really like to see what would be classed as a loss.
If the Labour party really think that, then they are going to be in opposition for a very long time.
About time we had PR then rather than FPTP dont you think?
Funny how Labour supporters like to bang on about PR when they have just lost an election.
But never when they have just won. Funny old world.
Ah personal prejudice oozes from this poster again! I guess you think you won a massive victory with your 2.4 per cent more of the popular vote? Hilarious! It was hardly a landslide in terms of the overall vote now was it?
FYI I have wanted PR for years because I dont believe that FPTP does anyone any favours in terms of representation. The labour party is tied to the influence of Len McCluskey which personally I dislike but I have in my time voted for a number of different centrist parties and am not wedded to any. Does that enlighten you or do you prefer the echo chamber?
So you would have been happy for UKIP to pick up around 80 seats in 2015 then."
Not as happy as you probably but perhaps it would have made the Tories get their act in gear and kick that cunt Cummings into touch! |
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Maths?
Get Brexit done 56% of seats in the commons
Erm, bespectacled idiot who thinks the queens speech is on in the morning and is clueless about Brexit 31% of seats in the commons.
Get Brexit done 365 seats
Don’t give a fuck either way 203 seats
And in effect it wasn’t a 2nd referendum?
Can I recommend politics for dummies- it’s a great read |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You don't know ...we may move forward and prosper...and leave the eu dictatorship behind ...lots of guessing going onSome people are scared of change and are happy to go through life that way.Who dares wins
Some people are sensible and can see a pile of dogshit and avoid it, others think lets jump in it and see how deep it is and how many people are going to get covered in glory! You know some strange people i dont know anyone who jumps in dog shit and to be honest i dont want to.
The dogshit analogy is based upon the idea that sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.
Leavers on the other hand see it as a brave bold and fearless step into the unknown like sailing off to newfoundland was to previous generations.
The trouble is, the world is a smaller place now and there are no new horizons to explore so basically you are leaving the EU for some spurious attempt at independence (like a naive teenager leaving home) and, as ill- equipped as you are for the journey, you are determined to undertake it no matter how much suffering it brings you and your family.
As for who dares wins - equating leavers with the sas is just doggerel and a bit embarrassing.
Only sensible people can see that brexshit is a pile of pooh.? Meaning the majority of those who voted in the GE and the referendum are not sensible . Only remainers are sensible ? Ha ha ha ha"
Oh I am sure some non sensible people can see its a pile of pooh too. Protest votes are what they are and the majority won because they were told the EU is a big bad monster who we need to run away from before they take our liberty and freedom away - am I wrong in that assertion? I think I personally was lied to by people like Farage, Cummings, Boris etc and to hear the echo chamber of you and your pals saying - get over it, we won, you’re wrong, etc etc etc ad nauseum is shameful but I am sure you dont concern yourself with the subtleties of humanity like empathy and humility |
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"Maths?
Get Brexit done 56% of seats in the commons
Erm, bespectacled idiot who thinks the queens speech is on in the morning and is clueless about Brexit 31% of seats in the commons.
Get Brexit done 365 seats
Don’t give a fuck either way 203 seats
And in effect it wasn’t a 2nd referendum?
Can I recommend politics for dummies- it’s a great read"
Are you stupid? Are you trying to suggest that the voting system in the GE and the referendum is the same? Are you suggesting that all the people who voted for the Tories want to leave the EU? Are you suggesting that the only reason people voted for the Tories is to get Brexit done? Are you suggesting that anyone who didn’t vote for the Tories want to remain? It was a GE not a referendum? You do know the difference ? |
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"Still no acceptance of leave ...what part don't u understand ....is it the word majority your struggling with xx"
No, not really! The bit I struggle with is people who cant accept that their win was not a thumping majority but nearer to the skin of their teeth in the original referendum. The ge was won by 2.4 percent swing of votes and that again was a protest against the failure of the tories to get brexit through over the last three years while they fought an internal existential war, and the abject and profound failure of the momentum movement in labour to realise that they were heading for a massive and predictable defeat. So to summarise, I am fed up of hearing the same old cocks crowing about decisive victories which were anything but! Oh and what were the kisses about btw because I have zero interest in old men |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A bit like some people don’t accept democracy. Just whinge and whinge and whinge and whinge ad nauseum"
Coming from you with some of your posts that’s really quite amusing....almost made my day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Still no acceptance of leave ...what part don't u understand ....is it the word majority your struggling with xx
No, not really! The bit I struggle with is people who cant accept that their win was not a thumping majority but nearer to the skin of their teeth in the original referendum. The ge was won by 2.4 percent swing of votes and that again was a protest against the failure of the tories to get brexit through over the last three years while they fought an internal existential war, and the abject and profound failure of the momentum movement in labour to realise that they were heading for a massive and predictable defeat. So to summarise, I am fed up of hearing the same old cocks crowing about decisive victories which were anything but! Oh and what were the kisses about btw because I have zero interest in old men "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maths?
Get Brexit done 56% of seats in the commons
Erm, bespectacled idiot who thinks the queens speech is on in the morning and is clueless about Brexit 31% of seats in the commons.
Get Brexit done 365 seats
Don’t give a fuck either way 203 seats
And in effect it wasn’t a 2nd referendum?
Can I recommend politics for dummies- it’s a great read"
Hey how does 42.4 per cent of the electorate who voted winning against 40 per cent who lost work for you? Perhaps you need a pencil to help you work it out? |
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You must have me confused with someone who takes every opportunity to complain about the referendum , complain about the GE, have an inability to accept reality, an inability to move forward without constantly trying to twist statistics to prove their deluded case. |
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I don’t need a pencil . I have a brain. We are leaving the Eu on 31 jan 2020. Th conservative and unionist party just won a landslide GE. Keep scrabbling around for silly useless stats wont change anything. What part of that don’t you understand . Keep up. Duh |
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"I don’t need a pencil . I have a brain. We are leaving the Eu on 31 jan 2020. Th conservative and unionist party just won a landslide GE. Keep scrabbling around for silly useless stats wont change anything. What part of that don’t you understand . Keep up. Duh"
Oh I think you do need a pencil and an eraser. A calculator might be useful too. They have apps for that type of thing these days too....or is that a bit too up to the minute for you? Keep up laddie |
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"You must have me confused with someone who takes every opportunity to complain about the referendum , complain about the GE, have an inability to accept reality, an inability to move forward without constantly trying to twist statistics to prove their deluded case. "
The irony in your post is staggering. The referendum is done, we are leaving the EU, these are facts . The GE was not a second referendum, fact . You are the one trying to twist statistics , why do you need to claim that the GE was another referendum? Just accept the first one ? Why do you need to be further validated? |
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"I don’t need a pencil . I have a brain. We are leaving the Eu on 31 jan 2020. Th conservative and unionist party just won a landslide GE. Keep scrabbling around for silly useless stats wont change anything. What part of that don’t you understand . Keep up. Duh"
Why don’t you stop worrying about Brexit? Take a deep breath it will be happening soon, I know the last 3 years have been stressful but the big day is nearly here. Lighten up and enjoy the moment |
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over a year ago
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"I'm enjoying every little bit especially rattling a few cages ...and as for a bite ...hooks them in every time...x"
Not long now fella, the big day approaches, you must be getting very excited? Are you going to the party in London? |
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over a year ago
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"No will be in my house in france ...talking to the locals about frexit...."
Ah, why can’t you have a party in France? I am sure the French are delighted that we are leaving the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If the people in france got the chance to vote on it ..again you may get a surprise...my locals hate the eu and macron even more ...."
They will never get a vote on it, they have a strong and sensible government . |
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There be the acid test ...before the next election ...Mrs la pen and the new yellow vests will get together ....and she will go to the people with the offer of a vote on frexit ....a surprise will follow ...the French have sussed macron out inside 2 years |
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"There be the acid test ...before the next election ...Mrs la pen and the new yellow vests will get together ....and she will go to the people with the offer of a vote on frexit ....a surprise will follow ...the French have sussed macron out inside 2 years"
Nah, the French are far to clever to vote for her National Rally party in a GE. |
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I've no clue but they do need to have someone who's capable of taking on Johnson and ensuring all citizens' needs are cared for and rights upheld.
They need to ensure that they understand the election and what people want. I think more people voted for a remain position party than a hard leave one, so the important thing is strategy and ability |
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over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Very simple they're fanatics, these people continually go on about principles because they will never bend or be pragmatic. I believe Becky Wrong Daily will win because Momentum run 3
Labour.
But that day they run the country is long in coming because the FPTP voting system whilst unfair, actually works because it give the decision to the floating vote, the fanatics whether right or left only make up 50% of the total vote, so their beliefs thankfully have no chance in being fully implemented.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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mabey in the south not so much in the north.jess philips mabey but she does come across as a bit hysterical sometimes cant remember the guys name but was in the forces reakon he could be decent leader.personaly since john smith died i cant say labour have had a decent leader |
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"mabey in the south not so much in the north.jess philips mabey but she does come across as a bit hysterical sometimes cant remember the guys name but was in the forces reakon he could be decent leader.personaly since john smith died i cant say labour have had a decent leader"
I don’t think she’s a winner.Shes ok but not PM material.. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"mabey in the south not so much in the north.jess philips mabey but she does come across as a bit hysterical sometimes cant remember the guys name but was in the forces reakon he could be decent leader.personaly since john smith died i cant say labour have had a decent leader"
Dan Jarvis probably but he's not going to stand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm enjoying every little bit especially rattling a few cages ...and as for a bite ...hooks them in every time...x"
Is that what you call winning at life old man? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Because in 5 years time, you’re going to struggle to find anyone who will own up to voting leave. |
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over a year ago
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"You must have me confused with someone who takes every opportunity to complain about the referendum , complain about the GE, have an inability to accept reality, an inability to move forward without constantly trying to twist statistics to prove their deluded case.
The irony in your post is staggering. The referendum is done, we are leaving the EU, these are facts . The GE was not a second referendum, fact . You are the one trying to twist statistics , why do you need to claim that the GE was another referendum? Just accept the first one ? Why do you need to be further validated? "
We are indeed leaving. And because of that landslide, the tories have no excuses. They own it.
Which means we’re all expecting it to be every bit as good as promised. Chop, chop. I’m waiting for those sunlit uplands, Johnson. |
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"My money is on kier starmer to become the next leader.
Hes a pragmatist and will appeal to the middle ground.
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He’s impressed me with some good interviews lately. And he doesn’t tolerate the shit questions. He shuts that shit down. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"My money is on kier starmer to become the next leader.
Hes a pragmatist and will appeal to the middle ground.
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He's an ardent remainer.
So on the most important political stance of a generation he's even less appealing than Corbyn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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53% voted for parties offering a second referendum.
And yes, we’re leaving the EU this month. That doesn’t make us all brexiters.
The tories now own this - they have to deliver all the promised ‘benefits’ of leaving. And they’re already failing on workers/citizens rights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My money is on kier starmer to become the next leader.
Hes a pragmatist and will appeal to the middle ground.
He's an ardent remainer.
So on the most important political stance of a generation he's even less appealing than Corbyn."
Yes but as fabs resident fascist supporter you would say that wouldn’t you |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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You pair are just so detatched from reality and the way things are going.
All these electoral shocks just haven't triggered anything within you to realise you're wrong and deluded.
I pity you both. |
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"You pair are just so detatched from reality and the way things are going.
All these electoral shocks just haven't triggered anything within you to realise you're wrong and deluded.
I pity you both."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For what it’s worth I now turn my attention to more pressing matters. Like the tories attacking hard won workers rights.
Brexit is now a sideshow, it will either fail miserably and take the tories with it, or succeed against the beliefs of business, economists and industry experts, and be a positive thing.
The main thing now is to let Johnson and the tories own every inch of it. |
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The main thing now is to let Johnson and the tories own every inch of it.
Yes, and their assault on the working classes will be unfettered by EU protections.
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Agreed. It’s more important than ever now to unionise and oppose. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
Midlands |
"So workers shouldn’t have employment rights?
Sure you want to argue that?"
They sound great, but in practice (speaking as a business owner) it makes it difficult to sack people, difficult to adapt a business and get work done. |
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over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc."
End all workers rights?
Like the right to be paid an agreed value for your labour? Like the right to sick pay? Like the right to maternity leave? Like the right to a fair dismissal hearing?
I can’t handle this level of stupid. I’m out. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc.
End all workers rights?
Like the right to be paid an agreed value for your labour? Like the right to sick pay? Like the right to maternity leave? Like the right to a fair dismissal hearing?
I can’t handle this level of stupid. I’m out."
It's a different opinion to yours and you can't handle it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc.
End all workers rights?
Like the right to be paid an agreed value for your labour? Like the right to sick pay? Like the right to maternity leave? Like the right to a fair dismissal hearing?
I can’t handle this level of stupid. I’m out.
It's a different opinion to yours and you can't handle it?"
I can’t handle people who say ‘let’s get rid off all employee rights’, no. Because you haven’t got the slightest idea what that means. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You pair are just so detatched from reality and the way things are going.
All these electoral shocks just haven't triggered anything within you to realise you're wrong and deluded.
I pity you both."
Surely in your brave new world there is no such thing as pity or empathy? If your posts are anything to go by, which incidentally I don’t agree with, then civilisation, humanity and society is drawing to a close. People like you who embrace fascist selfish heartless ideologies are exactly the reason all despots rise to power - cowards who cannot think for themselves always follow the strong man
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over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc.
End all workers rights?
Like the right to be paid an agreed value for your labour? Like the right to sick pay? Like the right to maternity leave? Like the right to a fair dismissal hearing?
I can’t handle this level of stupid. I’m out.
It's a different opinion to yours and you can't handle it?"
What you have just described is a world where a person can employee someone to do a job for a price. Then when the worker completes that job, the boss can say ‘nah, not good enough’ and fire the worker without pay, with no cause for complaint or right or reply.
Reckon that system would be abused by business owners much?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc."
The idiocy in your pronouncements is astonishing - the reason we wont have a car industry is because car manufacturing is now an integrated multi national industry working across borders tariff free but hey when we leave the EU what will be left to strip away from it. Tariffs? Workers rights? Slave labour would work I guess? Incompetent is the best epithet I can think of to describe your ramblings |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc."
Haha haha, you are comedy gold |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Do you support Megxit? |
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Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc."
Yaaay, let's go back to the 1800s.
Forget about education, let's send the kids down the pits.
Health and Safety? Yeah, let's get rid of that shit and return to killing people in their thousands.
Holidays? Who needs 'em.
Work till you drop, eh?
Sick pay? No need, let 'em perish.
Pregnant women? Sack 'em.
Well, step forward sunshine, you can go first.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc.
Yaaay, let's go back to the 1800s.
Forget about education, let's send the kids down the pits.
Health and Safety? Yeah, let's get rid of that shit and return to killing people in their thousands.
Holidays? Who needs 'em.
Work till you drop, eh?
Sick pay? No need, let 'em perish.
Pregnant women? Sack 'em.
Well, step forward sunshine, you can go first.
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Yay! Two family homes again! So cosy.
In WWI when England was the richest nation on earth, the average soldier joining the army gained weight because it was the first time they had eaten properly. Food for thought? |
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays"
Ha ha ha haha, elf and safety ?? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So workers shouldn’t have employment rights?
Sure you want to argue that?
They sound great, but in practice (speaking as a business owner) it makes it difficult to sack people, difficult to adapt a business and get work done."
We need to re-adopt the concept of slavery to make life as easy as possible for business owners to get work done at next to zero cost. |
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over a year ago
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays"
I refuse to accept anyone is this stupid. |
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over a year ago
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays
I refuse to accept anyone is this stupid. "
He isnt quite that stupid - he just thinks winding up lefties is some kind of achievement in this day and age - you know....that pub bore kind of thing |
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays
I refuse to accept anyone is this stupid.
He isnt quite that stupid - he just thinks winding up lefties is some kind of achievement in this day and age - you know....that pub bore kind of thing "
Winding a leftie up isn't any sort of achievement, it's just too easy. |
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over a year ago
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays
I refuse to accept anyone is this stupid. "
Give him a chance to prove himself |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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The irony is the more that lefties scoff at people like us with right wing ideas, the more people move to the right.
Perhaps when you stop resorting to the motto of "Everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot fascist" and ACTUALLY engage with an open mind, people like us won't feel the need to push a harder right wing agenda.
All this, Trump, Brexit and Tories is a push back against left wing scorn. This is why you guys keep losing at every opportunity! |
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"The irony is the more that lefties scoff at people like us with right wing ideas, the more people move to the right.
Perhaps when you stop resorting to the motto of "Everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot fascist" and ACTUALLY engage with an open mind, people like us won't feel the need to push a harder right wing agenda.
All this, Trump, Brexit and Tories is a push back against left wing scorn. This is why you guys keep losing at every opportunity!"
It is cyclical, the far right rear it’s ugly head every 30 odd years but loses momentum and goes hiding under its rock again. Are you hoping that Brexit and the current government abolish human and workers rights? You don’t agree with equality? You think the NHS should be abolished? You are living in the past, clinging on to some kind of nostalgic view from 100 years ago , wake up, open your eyes , your backing the wrong horse my frightened friend |
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"Workers rights ...grow some balls ...if you don't like your terms and conditions of work ...don't hide behind unions or workers rights elf and safety etc ...walk off and improve yourself too much nanny state thinking nowdays
I refuse to accept anyone is this stupid.
Give him a chance to prove himself "
never argue with a fool, they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening "
Maybe because the leave remain argument is over now and we must all look forward not backwards? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
Maybe because the leave remain argument is over now and we must all look forward not backwards?"
Exactly, leave /remain shouldn’t be an issue in 5 years, unless it is a complete fuck up then being a remainer will probably be an advantage |
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Some people make me laugh on here...almost as much as I enjoy poking and pulling ya chain ...so easy ...love the idiot or fool references....but hey you believe what you want ...I know what I am lol xx |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month. "
Sorry I've been avoiding politics for a few days.
Just to be clear I was taking the piss out of the Labour Party. After the election Last month, Labour were saying how well they did in 2017. But they bloody lost in 2017????
Then a few days some Labour people were spouting of they lost the election but won the argument. How does that even work?
I've always been tory but governments need to be held accountable. At the moment and probably for a long time the Conservatives can do whatever they want. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
Sorry I've been avoiding politics for a few days.
Just to be clear I was taking the piss out of the Labour Party. After the election Last month, Labour were saying how well they did in 2017. But they bloody lost in 2017????
Then a few days some Labour people were spouting of they lost the election but won the argument. How does that even work?
I've always been tory but governments need to be held accountable. At the moment and probably for a long time the Conservatives can do whatever they want. "
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
Maybe because the leave remain argument is over now and we must all look forward not backwards?"
The actual leave remain argument ended back in 2016 but shining the truth on the many ludicrous leave lies will always continue if the leave lies keep being spouted, which thankfully seem to have died down somewhat  |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
Maybe because the leave remain argument is over now and we must all look forward not backwards?
The actual leave remain argument ended back in 2016 but shining the truth on the many ludicrous leave lies will always continue if the leave lies keep being spouted, which thankfully seem to have died down somewhat "
Can we agree both campaigns were awful and full of lies?
Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign. |
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
Sorry I've been avoiding politics for a few days.
Just to be clear I was taking the piss out of the Labour Party. After the election Last month, Labour were saying how well they did in 2017. But they bloody lost in 2017????
Then a few days some Labour people were spouting of they lost the election but won the argument. How does that even work?
I've always been tory but governments need to be held accountable. At the moment and probably for a long time the Conservatives can do whatever they want. "
I’ve never been a tory but I absolutely agree that governments need a strong and principled opposition in order for democracy to work.
I honestly am under no illusions that labour fought a woefully inadequate campaign with no real understanding of what strategies they would need to adopt if they were to retain what they had and as a result they have lost their heartlands for a few years at least.
We all know that political campaigns thrive on lies and fear mongering whichever part of the spectrum you inhabit but the thing that gets me is the lack of good decent centrists in any of the parties now.
The conservatives have moved to the right to save their arses from ukip/bxp, while labour lurched to the left under momentums cock-eyed world view, and the lib dems are out in the wilderness after a series of hopeless leaders. Where do we go from here if we want a decent, honest country that rewards people for hard work but looks after the less able too? |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
You've forgotten. They won the election in 2017 and they won the argument last month.
Sorry I've been avoiding politics for a few days.
Just to be clear I was taking the piss out of the Labour Party. After the election Last month, Labour were saying how well they did in 2017. But they bloody lost in 2017????
Then a few days some Labour people were spouting of they lost the election but won the argument. How does that even work?
I've always been tory but governments need to be held accountable. At the moment and probably for a long time the Conservatives can do whatever they want.
I’ve never been a tory but I absolutely agree that governments need a strong and principled opposition in order for democracy to work.
I honestly am under no illusions that labour fought a woefully inadequate campaign with no real understanding of what strategies they would need to adopt if they were to retain what they had and as a result they have lost their heartlands for a few years at least.
We all know that political campaigns thrive on lies and fear mongering whichever part of the spectrum you inhabit but the thing that gets me is the lack of good decent centrists in any of the parties now.
The conservatives have moved to the right to save their arses from ukip/bxp, while labour lurched to the left under momentums cock-eyed world view, and the lib dems are out in the wilderness after a series of hopeless leaders. Where do we go from here if we want a decent, honest country that rewards people for hard work but looks after the less able too? "
Couldn't have put it better myself |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign."
Whoah......
Bending the truth continues. Confusion is the new reality - fiction is now fact. Any old lie will do. |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
Midlands |
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Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign.
Whoah......
Bending the truth continues. Confusion is the new reality - fiction is now fact. Any old lie will do."
Doesn't matter. You lost
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By (user no longer on site)
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"... even considering a remainer leader?
Why are they also considering hard left, socialist candidates that the country has repeatedly rejected?
Political suicide, again. They just aren't listening
Maybe because the leave remain argument is over now and we must all look forward not backwards?
The actual leave remain argument ended back in 2016 but shining the truth on the many ludicrous leave lies will always continue if the leave lies keep being spouted, which thankfully seem to have died down somewhat
Can we agree both campaigns were awful and full of lies?
Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign."
Very much yes, I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign.
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I suppose it depends on which bus you're on about. |
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"Nobody puts a gun to anyones head and forces them to do their job. People are free to leave any employment they don't feel is right for them.
The sooner we can end all workers rights and finish destroying the unions the better this country will be. Those two things alone are why we have no mining industry, no real car industry etc."
You want to have no worker's rights? Absolutely none! Any employee could be fully abused whilst at work, with this being totally appropriate? |
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Regarding the message on the bus, that was on an unofficial Leave campaign bus. Nothing to do with the official campaign.
Whoah......
Bending the truth continues. Confusion is the new reality - fiction is now fact. Any old lie will do.
Doesn't matter. You lost
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Just when you thought it was safe to get back in these waters....along comes a floater |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"You want to have no worker's rights? Absolutely none! Any employee could be fully abused whilst at work, with this being totally appropriate? "
If that happens, the employee is free to leave
If it happens regularly, word will get round and people will avoid working for said company. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Here's an interesting fact for you.
In the last 50 years, twice as many people have set foot on the moon than have been Labour Prime Minister.
And with the way things are currently going, it's going to be at least a decade before they're even within a sniff of a chance, though, personally, I think the party is finished.
They're completely out of touch with the people.
And having lost Scotland, a region Labour has ALWAYS needed to secure an election victory, I don't see getting anywhere near power for decades. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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And having lost Scotland, a region Labour has ALWAYS needed to secure an election victory, I don't see getting anywhere near power for decades."
Not strictly true - I think Tony Blair won in England on a couple of occasions.
But I agree with the sentiment.
The loss of its dominance in Scotland ought to have been a wake-up call for Labour.
It wasn't.
Now the same thing is on the verge of happening in the north of England.
They didn't learn lessons from Scotland.
If they don't learn them from England then, yes, they are finished as a nationwide political with aspirations to govern. |
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"Here's an interesting fact for you.
In the last 50 years, twice as many people have set foot on the moon than have been Labour Prime Minister.
And with the way things are currently going, it's going to be at least a decade before they're even within a sniff of a chance, though, personally, I think the party is finished.
They're completely out of touch with the people.
And having lost Scotland, a region Labour has ALWAYS needed to secure an election victory, I don't see getting anywhere near power for decades."
I think same as you atleast a decade but by then they could be finished it’s sad that they don’t listen to the ppl there’s no future for a hard left never asbeen never will |
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I’ve listened to everyone standing to be the next labour leader . Only one of them appears to understand the scale of the problem In acknowledging that problem in contrite terms with sensible ideas to get labour back in a position to challenge at the next election . Unfortunately for labour , that person will not secure enough support from the NEC, momentum, the unions and the hordes of left wing corbynista extremists in the membership. It’s gonna be more of the same electorate deniers in charge. Great News - yay !!! |
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I see Momentum are true to their extreme left wing undemocratic values. They balloted their members as to who should be the next leader and deputy leader of the Labour Party - as in who should momentum support. In true Marxist style , there were only 2 names on the ballot paper . Fucking losers |
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By *hMyGawd OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I see Momentum are true to their extreme left wing undemocratic values. They balloted their members as to who should be the next leader and deputy leader of the Labour Party - as in who should momentum support. In true Marxist style , there were only 2 names on the ballot paper . Fucking losers "
Isn't it scary they have so much influence. I wonder why non-Momentum Labour haven't stopped them before now |
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"I see Momentum are true to their extreme left wing undemocratic values. They balloted their members as to who should be the next leader and deputy leader of the Labour Party - as in who should momentum support. In true Marxist style , there were only 2 names on the ballot paper . Fucking losers
Isn't it scary they have so much influence. I wonder why non-Momentum Labour haven't stopped them before now "
Probably because much like the extreme elements of the tory party they have ejected anyone who is centrist. The polarisation of politics in this country is frankly depressing. |
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers."
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x |
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Since the sdlp and the uup became an irrelevance over here, the only realistic choice we have are a party entrenched in terrorism or a party entrenched in dogmatic religious views, resulting in anti gay , anti abortion and anti gay marriage |
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"Except in the Tory party there was not an organisation or grouping which omitted members standing for party leader because they weren’t extreme enough"
I think you might like to talk to sir Nicholas Soames about that? Its called withdrawing the whip! The erg have been pretty active at fucking moderates over too. The 1922 committee are not exactly peacemakers either. This is more of your usual whataboutery and unpleasant assertions which I am really beginning to wonder whether perhaps you are the reincarnation of Centy |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers.
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x"
Yes, I believe that's correct.
The membership has the vote, not some pressure group.
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers.
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x
Yes, I believe that's correct.
The membership has the vote, not some pressure group.
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But the pressure groups can become members not so impartial are they x |
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Interesting point! The labour party need as many subs as they can get because very few big businesses support them so the question is does that mean they are more democratic because they let anyone into the party and therefore leave themselves open to being momentum-ised or letting people in who have other agendas? They are democratic in a way that the tory party are not as they allow members to choose the agenda at conference but as amply demonstrated in this last election they end up in their own echo chamber. Say what you like about Blair but at least he understood that you have to lead and have an overview and be prepared to dismiss the crackpots and the lunatic fringes. Until Labour get over this and accept as the people in China and Russia have that a strong leader is what matters they wont get back in power any time soon. |
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers.
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x
Yes, I believe that's correct.
The membership has the vote, not some pressure group.
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A pressure group which has just pressured its 40,000 members to only vote for 2 people. Don’t get me wrong ; I’m all for momentum. All for RLB. All for Corbyn, McDonnell and the loony left . I think they are doing an outstanding job; a truly wonderful job; they should be warmly congratulated for keeping the tories in power for the next 10-15 years. |
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"Except in the Tory party there was not an organisation or grouping which omitted members standing for party leader because they weren’t extreme enough
I think you might like to talk to sir Nicholas Soames about that? Its called withdrawing the whip! The erg have been pretty active at fucking moderates over too. The 1922 committee are not exactly peacemakers either. This is more of your usual whataboutery and unpleasant assertions which I am really beginning to wonder whether perhaps you are the reincarnation of Centy"
All political parties can withdraw the whip. So what?. A bit different to having a ballot paper with only 2 names on |
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"Except in the Tory party there was not an organisation or grouping which omitted members standing for party leader because they weren’t extreme enough
I think you might like to talk to sir Nicholas Soames about that? Its called withdrawing the whip! The erg have been pretty active at fucking moderates over too. The 1922 committee are not exactly peacemakers either. This is more of your usual whataboutery and unpleasant assertions which I am really beginning to wonder whether perhaps you are the reincarnation of Centy
All political parties can withdraw the whip. So what?. A bit different to having a ballot paper with only 2 names on"
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers.
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x
Yes, I believe that's correct.
The membership has the vote, not some pressure group.
A pressure group which has just pressured its 40,000 members to only vote for 2 people. Don’t get me wrong ; I’m all for momentum. All for RLB. All for Corbyn, McDonnell and the loony left . I think they are doing an outstanding job; a truly wonderful job; they should be warmly congratulated for keeping the tories in power for the next 10-15 years."
RLD got voted through by only around 7000 of 40000 Momentum members. |
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"As far as I know, Momentum does not have a vote in the election, so it is nothing more than an opinion poll of its followers.
Anyone who pays £25 to become a member of the labour party can vote x
Yes, I believe that's correct.
The membership has the vote, not some pressure group.
A pressure group which has just pressured its 40,000 members to only vote for 2 people. Don’t get me wrong ; I’m all for momentum. All for RLB. All for Corbyn, McDonnell and the loony left . I think they are doing an outstanding job; a truly wonderful job; they should be warmly congratulated for keeping the tories in power for the next 10-15 years.
RLD got voted through by only around 7000 of 40000 Momentum members. "
Nope. 4995 of the 7,000 odd who bothered to vote , endorsed her ( the only name for Leader on the ballot). 2098 people put ‘no’ against her name . The 18% turnout was embarrassing with the result that only 12% of momentum members voted for RLB. Even momentum can’t be arsed to garner any enthusiasm as to who the next Labour loser should be. |
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