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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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https://earther.gizmodo.com/trump-starts-2020-with-a-new-bid-to-ignore-climate-chan-1840802185
Good old Trump 
In its first environmental rollback of the new year, the Trump administration aims to weaken regulations that require federal agencies to consider climate change when assessing the environmental impacts of new infrastructure projects, the New York Times reported Thursday. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why are politics discussed on a swingers site
What next to discuss online groceries , knitting clubs "
This is the political section of the forum.
But while we are on the subject why are there so many non-swingers on these forums? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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With climate change being described by some as the most important issue of our time you'd think there would be a section for it.... but that's just me. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Why are politics discussed on a swingers site
What next to discuss online groceries , knitting clubs
This is the political section of the forum.
But while we are on the subject why are there so many non-swingers on these forums?"
Yes i noticed that too.Weird non swingers on a swingers site to discuss politics  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why are politics discussed on a swingers site
What next to discuss online groceries , knitting clubs
This is the political section of the forum.
But while we are on the subject why are there so many non-swingers on these forums?Yes i noticed that too.Weird non swingers on a swingers site to discuss politics "
I don't mind talking politicians with non-swingers but got into a debate with someone about what happens in clubs. After an hour of getting nowhere I managed to nail down that the person had never been to a club
I go onto other parts of this forum and talk to people about swinging and they have had 1 cam meet in a year of swinging. But yeah they are still experts. |
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"Why are politics discussed on a swingers site
What next to discuss online groceries , knitting clubs
This is the political section of the forum.
But while we are on the subject why are there so many non-swingers on these forums?Yes i noticed that too.Weird non swingers on a swingers site to discuss politics
I don't mind talking politicians with non-swingers but got into a debate with someone about what happens in clubs. After an hour of getting nowhere I managed to nail down that the person had never been to a club
I go onto other parts of this forum and talk to people about swinging and they have had 1 cam meet in a year of swinging. But yeah they are still experts. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"china? I am more concerned about tango twat's rocket up the ass of some bloke with a beard in Iran..apparently the British government have advised uk nationals to leave the UAE"
Yes we are criticising China for their TOTAL emissions when per capita the are somewhere about 42nd in the world, no much they can do about their population growth which btw is negative at mean 1.6 children per family.
Per capita the biggest culprit is USA. Rather than improving the situation Trump is taking away measures which Obama put in place to reduce environmental damage.
But on this forum China are the ones to blame.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Chinese food makes me fart. I'm probably partly to blame for many a toxic emission on behalf of China."
We need to add India too then, definitely raises my emission levels  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Chinese food makes me fart. I'm probably partly to blame for many a toxic emission on behalf of China.
We need to add India too then, definitely raises my emission levels "
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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The irony is that Trump's election platform was one of bringing well paid jobs back into the US and getting people back to work - and climate change, even if it wasn't real - presents a fantastic opportunity to do just that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R6DXrG7DK8
also - FYI, in a single year (2016) China installed more 4th generation solar that the US has in total solar capacity - and the project is ongoing.
China IS taking climare change seriously. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The irony is that Trump's election platform was one of bringing well paid jobs back into the US and getting people back to work - and climate change, even if it wasn't real - presents a fantastic opportunity to do just that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R6DXrG7DK8
also - FYI, in a single year (2016) China installed more 4th generation solar that the US has in total solar capacity - and the project is ongoing.
China IS taking climare change seriously."
I can't understand why people would just look at total emissions. The planet doesn't care about borders. If you divided China into ten different countries then each of their total emissions would be further down the list but it would still be the same.
What matters is each government's environmental policy. I cannot understand the shortsightedness of making you country 'great' today at the cost of the planet tomorrow.
Wouldn't it be better to make Earth Great? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The UK outsourced its emissions to China the day we stopped making things ourselves."
True. We really can't afford our holier than though attitude. Trump is reversing laws put in place to try and prevent the destruction of our planet and Johnson is his sidekick. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"To be fair, I think Johnson gets it. But he needs the US and he's got no leverage with them.
The US say they want no mention of climate change in any UK agreement."
The world leaders in green energy tech are Germany - it's them we need - not the US |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To be fair, I think Johnson gets it. But he needs the US and he's got no leverage with them.
The US say they want no mention of climate change in any UK agreement."
Exactly. And EU insists on it.
Basically US has become the scary superpower and we are just buttering up to them. We're as bad as they are.
I can't see UK being involved in programmes like Copernicus in future. We've already been cut out of the Galileo project.... |
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"We're not really high enough above sea level to be playing the climate change risk game....  "
Although, 3000BC when Stonehenge was being constructed, the ice cap was far smaller than it is now, and co2 levels were only half of what they are today. |
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"We're not really high enough above sea level to be playing the climate change risk game....
Although, 3000BC when Stonehenge was being constructed, the ice cap was far smaller than it is now, and co2 levels were only half of what they are today. "
How do we know this? Not disputing it just would like to know the source. |
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The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird. |
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird. "
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird.
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels."
I have a degree in marine biology and published on the changing carbon chemistry of the oceans for my postgrad.
If you'll excuse a whole wall of text. I'll summarise by saying in summary that you are wrong on this.
Climate change is still a thing though, and there are far scarier things about ocean acidification than phytoplankton production.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird.
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels.
I have a degree in marine biology and published on the changing carbon chemistry of the oceans for my postgrad.
If you'll excuse a whole wall of text. I'll summarise by saying in summary that you are wrong on this.
Climate change is still a thing though, and there are far scarier things about ocean acidification than phytoplankton production.
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That's great. Lets have some info from the coalface! 
What about these methane bubbles being eaten by bacteria... I've been hearing they get eaten by bacteria before they reach the surface? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird.
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels.
I have a degree in marine biology and published on the changing carbon chemistry of the oceans for my postgrad.
If you'll excuse a whole wall of text. I'll summarise by saying in summary that you are wrong on this.
Climate change is still a thing though, and there are far scarier things about ocean acidification than phytoplankton production.
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https://psmag.com/environment/global-warming-is-putting-phytoplankton-in-danger
So this is all false news then? |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird.
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels.
I have a degree in marine biology and published on the changing carbon chemistry of the oceans for my postgrad.
If you'll excuse a whole wall of text. I'll summarise by saying in summary that you are wrong on this.
Climate change is still a thing though, and there are far scarier things about ocean acidification than phytoplankton production.
https://psmag.com/environment/global-warming-is-putting-phytoplankton-in-danger
So this is all false news then?"
I'd need to take the time to check the original sources as I give more value to peer reviewed papers than a news site.
But a quick pass of the article you posted rung a few alarm bells - primary production (i.e. phytoplankton growth) isn't generally temperature limited - it's nutrient limited |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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It’s not about Meatloaf.
It’s not about me.
It’s not about what some people call me.
It’s not about left or right.
It’s all about scientific facts.
And that we’re not aware of the situation.
Unless we start to focus everything on this, our targets will soon be out of reach.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The ice sheet would have been much smaller during the medieval warm period as well of course, when the Vikings successfully cultivated greenland. Yet Portchester castle in Portsmouth harbour is Roman (originally) and predates this, it's a few feet above sea level with no evidence of ever being flooded. Weird.
I get the feeling we're going to end up talking about 'bath tub effect' again....
Interestingly enough we don't have to worry about rising waters. Scientists say we will suffocate first. 20% of our oxygen comes from the Amazon, currently on a tipping point, and 66% from phytoplankton which are sensitive to acidity levels.
I have a degree in marine biology and published on the changing carbon chemistry of the oceans for my postgrad.
If you'll excuse a whole wall of text. I'll summarise by saying in summary that you are wrong on this.
Climate change is still a thing though, and there are far scarier things about ocean acidification than phytoplankton production.
https://psmag.com/environment/global-warming-is-putting-phytoplankton-in-danger
So this is all false news then?
I'd need to take the time to check the original sources as I give more value to peer reviewed papers than a news site.
But a quick pass of the article you posted rung a few alarm bells - primary production (i.e. phytoplankton growth) isn't generally temperature limited - it's nutrient limited "
My understanding is that phytoplankton are sensitive to ph and that it is the acidity of the ocean that's a problem.
My info is also second hand but they were talking about methane bubbles rising from the ocean floor. The bubbles wouldn't reach the surface because they were 'eaten' by bacteria. Apparently the bacteria are so numerous now that it forms a sludge on the ocean floor killing everything under it because of its high acidity.... looking for data to confirm this... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Got it. Methane explained...
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/methane/
They talk about the sludge I was referring to. It's called methane hydrate. |
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Bloody hell when I read this in scared ...but hey ...still could not give a shit for climate change ...can't see how my carrier bag straw or sports cars make much difference ...but I have planted 5 trees in garden so no guilt now |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Bloody hell when I read this in scared ...but hey ...still could not give a shit for climate change ...can't see how my carrier bag straw or sports cars make much difference ...but I have planted 5 trees in garden so no guilt now"
That will compensate for 3 football field sized areas of forest destroyed every minute |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Many thanks to you all x"
Phytoplankton produce 66% of our oxygen. So by the time we are all old, the Amazon rain forest will be gone, (producing 20% of the world's oxygen) the young and the fit shall survive and we shall be reliant on the generation that hates our generation to keep us alive....
I survived a near fatal drowning once. Blood went into my lungs and I couldn't breathe... pretty shitty way to die if you ask me... |
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"The irony is that Trump's election platform was one of bringing well paid jobs back into the US and getting people back to work - and climate change, even if it wasn't real - presents a fantastic opportunity to do just that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R6DXrG7DK8
also - FYI, in a single year (2016) China installed more 4th generation solar that the US has in total solar capacity - and the project is ongoing.
China IS taking climare change seriously.
I can't understand why people would just look at total emissions. The planet doesn't care about borders. If you divided China into ten different countries then each of their total emissions would be further down the list but it would still be the same.
What matters is each government's environmental policy. I cannot understand the shortsightedness of making you country 'great' today at the cost of the planet tomorrow.
Wouldn't it be better to make Earth Great?"
That is one heck of a brilliant sound bite. Make Earth Great again...
Adam |
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"The irony is that Trump's election platform was one of bringing well paid jobs back into the US and getting people back to work - and climate change, even if it wasn't real - presents a fantastic opportunity to do just that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R6DXrG7DK8
also - FYI, in a single year (2016) China installed more 4th generation solar that the US has in total solar capacity - and the project is ongoing.
China IS taking climare change seriously.
I can't understand why people would just look at total emissions. The planet doesn't care about borders. If you divided China into ten different countries then each of their total emissions would be further down the list but it would still be the same.
What matters is each government's environmental policy. I cannot understand the shortsightedness of making you country 'great' today at the cost of the planet tomorrow.
Wouldn't it be better to make Earth Great?
That is one heck of a brilliant sound bite. Make Earth Great again...
Adam"
Thank you. I like it
Wouldn't it be great if we were the generation who saved the world? Made it a beautiful place to live in... |
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Great job Greta. Panic and fear are the strongest market forces. The biggest in the motor industry can now decimate competition for a while thanks to you Greta. Climate on EACH planet of the solar system was always changing. Just read about climate optimums on Earth. Does anybody still remember russian hackers who intercepted 'climate warming scientists'emails' trying to tune numbers to fit the theory? Biggest scam in history of humanity. This is why core goal was to control universities by political correctnes. Independent educated minds are uncontrollable. Don't forget plants will die without co2. Farting cows is joke. Did you know Greta has two farting dogs and keeps them just for a pleasure? What a double standards. Maybe when she stops striking, will continue her education. Primary school is not much of she still wants to preach the whole world. |
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"Great job Greta. Panic and fear are the strongest market forces. The biggest in the motor industry can now decimate competition for a while thanks to you Greta. Climate on EACH planet of the solar system was always changing. Just read about climate optimums on Earth. Does anybody still remember russian hackers who intercepted 'climate warming scientists'emails' trying to tune numbers to fit the theory? Biggest scam in history of humanity. This is why core goal was to control universities by political correctnes. Independent educated minds are uncontrollable. Don't forget plants will die without co2. Farting cows is joke. Did you know Greta has two farting dogs and keeps them just for a pleasure? What a double standards. Maybe when she stops striking, will continue her education. Primary school is not much of she still wants to preach the whole world."
No fooling you is there? |
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