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Will northern ireland unify with ireland?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If there is a hard border? I reckon there is a good chance of it happening but that is if brexit will happen what will happen to the good friday agreement? |
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There will never be a hard border. It’s physically, practically and politically impossible. A border poll is unlikely in the short to medium term. The good Friday ( Belfast) agreement is not under any threat. |
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over a year ago
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 counties"
Yes we will see what will happen, do you reckon the troubles could return if it does?
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 countiesYes we will see what will happen, do you reckon the troubles could return if it does?"
From the 2011 census 4 out of 6 counties are majority Catholic by self identification, of the 26 council areas, 13 have a Catholic majority, 12 protestant and one tie. Just in sheer numbers alone there is less than 1% in it. Given this is nearly ten years ago now I'd wager that these figures are now incorrect, again by self identification, and there is currently a Catholic majority in most of these stats. Yet there is no public appetite or general ground swell of opinion in support of a recommencement of the armed struggle and, at present, no majority support for a United Ireland.
It doesn't necessarily follow that religion determines support, or lack thereof, for uniting the country.
I do think it will happen at some point just not in the next few years. |
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 countiesYes we will see what will happen, do you reckon the troubles could return if it does?
From the 2011 census 4 out of 6 counties are majority Catholic by self identification, of the 26 council areas, 13 have a Catholic majority, 12 protestant and one tie. Just in sheer numbers alone there is less than 1% in it. Given this is nearly ten years ago now I'd wager that these figures are now incorrect, again by self identification, and there is currently a Catholic majority in most of these stats. Yet there is no public appetite or general ground swell of opinion in support of a recommencement of the armed struggle and, at present, no majority support for a United Ireland.
It doesn't necessarily follow that religion determines support, or lack thereof, for uniting the country.
I do think it will happen at some point just not in the next few years. "
Yes I reckon the same and it would be a natural process of the unification rather than a forced upon them. |
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Its way more fluid up the north these days.
You have protestant families involved in GAA who well frankly could be unionist or nationalist. You have catholics supporting cricket and rugby and again their views might be nationalist or a view that being in the union is fine.
I think the "unionist" group could actually make out the best, i think a united ireland is probably on the cards either way, and can not be blamed on brexit, or a hard border.
With the right demands made of Dublin, the "unionist" side could end up stronger than the "nationalist", demands like department of agriculture and transport move to Belfast, a demand that in a united Ireland the unionists are guranteed a say by all parties agreeing to elevate a unionist minister to either minister of transport or agriculture. That belfast ports service the Irish navy etc etc.
These are things unionists could grab dublin by the scruff on the neck and take.
If they did it right now, before brexit then they would make out even better.
I just think the energy in the north and in Ireland is "wait and see what being in UK after brexit looks like", and among nationalists its "well wait until we 100% can gurantee a win, otherwise just test the waters and see how people feel". |
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Whatever happens lets just hope the GF agreement remains in place. The thought of soldiers back on the streets makes me shudder. I did two tours South Armagh and Londonderry. I have never experirenced such hate. I dont blame the nationalist population. I knew it was not me they hated but the uniform i wore. They like everybody else wanted peace. They just did not want to see squaddies on the streets and not many squaddies wanted to be there. |
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 countiesYes we will see what will happen, do you reckon the troubles could return if it does?
From the 2011 census 4 out of 6 counties are majority Catholic by self identification, of the 26 council areas, 13 have a Catholic majority, 12 protestant and one tie. Just in sheer numbers alone there is less than 1% in it. Given this is nearly ten years ago now I'd wager that these figures are now incorrect, again by self identification, and there is currently a Catholic majority in most of these stats. Yet there is no public appetite or general ground swell of opinion in support of a recommencement of the armed struggle and, at present, no majority support for a United Ireland.
It doesn't necessarily follow that religion determines support, or lack thereof, for uniting the country.
I do think it will happen at some point in the next just not in the next few years. Yes I reckon the same and it would be a natural process of the unification rather than a forced upon them."
Also a UK/British Government wouldnt be backing a particular side.
2021 is when the balance tips as that is the year more catholic children leave schooling than protestant.kids do .
Studies have been done.
Catholic youth may not have the same Nationalistic fervour of the the old generations, but they will have the stories of those before.
I also think a Newer generation of protestant & catholic will grow up without the threat of violence in there life & will happily align with each other .
Remember the 6 counties voted to remain & not wanting to bring brexit up , any bad dealings by westminster with regards to the 6 counties would inevitably lead to a better existence with Dublin.
Which would in turn lead to some sort of unification |
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"If there is a hard border? I reckon there is a good chance of it happening but that is if brexit will happen what will happen to the good friday agreement?"
Probably at the same time Norway and Sweden unify. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yez left out the important bit.... does the South actually want the North ?"
Honestly, as Part of the EU it will happen with there blessing & Financial backing a United Ireland will do well with Foreign investment.
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"If there was a united ireland, the loyalist response would make the troubles look like a kitten playing with a ball of wool "
Balls, the loyalist paramilitary side couldn't organise a piss up in the Bushmills factory |
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"If there was a united ireland, the loyalist response would make the troubles look like a kitten playing with a ball of wool
Balls, the loyalist paramilitary side couldn't organise a piss up in the Bushmills factory"
And there would be no weight of backing from westminster.
The U.S wouldnt like it
We all kniw the US is 1/3 Irish immigrant so every one would back against the loyalist side.
Plus theyll be on more money as the EU would want them to feel wanted.
The UK has done nothing for working class protestants in the last 15 years.
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Yeah the loyalists would have no backing. Maybe Israel could hook them up with weapons, seen as they fly so many israel flags?
I just dont see it being anything other than a minor problem, like any other criminal area if they did resort to violence.
I think Ireland and the EU would fall over themselves giving the protestant community whatever they could. I think the protestant community would profit the most from anyone in Ireland.
And this isnt from fear, its just there is no trouble in Ireland right now, there are protestant churches everywhere, the biggest churches in Dublin are protestant, its not big deal. Ireland would be keen to keep that going.
I mean I would not be at all surprised if the north got control of the Irish football team etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yeah the loyalists would have no backing. Maybe Israel could hook them up with weapons, seen as they fly so many israel flags?
I just dont see it being anything other than a minor problem, like any other criminal area if they did resort to violence.
I think Ireland and the EU would fall over themselves giving the protestant community whatever they could. I think the protestant community would profit the most from anyone in Ireland.
And this isnt from fear, its just there is no trouble in Ireland right now, there are protestant churches everywhere, the biggest churches in Dublin are protestant, its not big deal. Ireland would be keen to keep that going.
I mean I would not be at all surprised if the north got control of the Irish football team etc."
People who identify as 'protestant' in Ireland (south) account for about 4% of the population as opposed to about 48% in the North.
And while we are allegedly a Catholic country, you could count on one hand the amount of Priests who were ordained in the past few years.
We are not the 'Catholic' country that people seem to think we are, regardless of what the census numbers indicate. Ticking a box to state your religion or what 'language' you speak is far from the reality.
100 years ago we tore ourselves apart, first in a war of independence, which we 'won' and secondly in a civil war which drove the country apart.
Just over 50 years ago it sparked off again, and still continues to rankle. And again the debate centres around 'catholic' V 'protestant' except at this stage, the Catholics don't give a shit.
Pay a visit to Ireland (the south), go into any town, or major city and see the sheer amount of 'New Irish', all colours and creeds. It was not that long ago, 20 years even. The cultural mix in has changed beyond all recognition. As regards a 'vote' for a United Ireland, it would probably be a sentimental desire to have the island as 'One Country' rather than a desire to appease the religious communities.
We really don't care that much about religion any more.
And as for the Unionists..... ?
Does anyone really give a shit ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 counties"
Nationalist vote,not Catholic vote.
There are many many Catholics that are pro union. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would the people of the south want these unionist fuckwits in the Dáil?"
Unionist fuckwits? Please expand what part of an all inclusive society this opinion is attempting to promote |
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"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality. I think they are all comparable. I feel totally repulsed by both."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Much like the poster up above mixed up Catholic and Nationalist, you have mixed up Unionist and DUP. Your entitled to your opinion about the DUP but not all unionists support the DUP just like not all Catholics are Nationalist.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yeah the loyalists would have no backing. Maybe Israel could hook them up with weapons, seen as they fly so many israel flags?
I just dont see it being anything other than a minor problem, like any other criminal area if they did resort to violence.
I think Ireland and the EU would fall over themselves giving the protestant community whatever they could. I think the protestant community would profit the most from anyone in Ireland.
And this isnt from fear, its just there is no trouble in Ireland right now, there are protestant churches everywhere, the biggest churches in Dublin are protestant, its not big deal. Ireland would be keen to keep that going.
I mean I would not be at all surprised if the north got control of the Irish football team etc.
People who identify as 'protestant' in Ireland (south) account for about 4% of the population as opposed to about 48% in the North.
And while we are allegedly a Catholic country, you could count on one hand the amount of Priests who were ordained in the past few years.
We are not the 'Catholic' country that people seem to think we are, regardless of what the census numbers indicate. Ticking a box to state your religion or what 'language' you speak is far from the reality.
100 years ago we tore ourselves apart, first in a war of independence, which we 'won' and secondly in a civil war which drove the country apart.
Just over 50 years ago it sparked off again, and still continues to rankle. And again the debate centres around 'catholic' V 'protestant' except at this stage, the Catholics don't give a shit.
Pay a visit to Ireland (the south), go into any town, or major city and see the sheer amount of 'New Irish', all colours and creeds. It was not that long ago, 20 years even. The cultural mix in has changed beyond all recognition. As regards a 'vote' for a United Ireland, it would probably be a sentimental desire to have the island as 'One Country' rather than a desire to appease the religious communities.
We really don't care that much about religion any more.
And as for the Unionists..... ?
Does anyone really give a shit ?"
As a Non practising Catholic born in Belfast
Yes i do give a Fuck about protestants.
I want them to be Equal members of Society in a United Ireland .
Where both communities share there rich History for the betterment of a NEW IRELAND.
Built on real issues of politics for all races & creeds & any other group who wants to be represented
Religous allegiances will dissapear soon enough & people will then be able to be whoever they want to be without the need for an armalite or a bonfire & a marching band.
If it means a new parliament , New parties , New National Anthem etc
Then so F*cking be it.
Time to move on & leave the sh*te behind. It didnt do anyone any good long term |
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"Yez left out the important bit.... does the South actually want the North ?"
How about rephrasing the question. I don't believe the South would want the North. We can't afford it. In spite of all the rhetoric, if it came to a decision, it would be based on economics and finance. I think the North is a financial basket case, and no clear thinking Govt would want to take it on. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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"Yez left out the important bit.... does the South actually want the North ?
How about rephrasing the question. I don't believe the South would want the North. We can't afford it. In spite of all the rhetoric, if it came to a decision, it would be based on economics and finance. I think the North is a financial basket case, and no clear thinking Govt would want to take it on. "
I'm pretty sure the re-unification of Ireland would attract sizeable grant-aid from the EU towards infrastructure and social costs.
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"Would the people of the south want these unionist fuckwits in the Dáil?
Probably not. They could show their disapproval by not voting for them, I suppose."
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"Would the people of the south want these unionist fuckwits in the Dáil?
Probably not. They could show their disapproval by not voting for them, I suppose.
Wooooooo,hold on their brainbox ,that's way to sensible an argument "
Sorry. I forgot where I was.  |
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"Its way more fluid up the north these days.
You have protestant families involved in GAA who well frankly could be unionist or nationalist. You have catholics supporting cricket and rugby and again their views might be nationalist or a view that being in the union is fine.
I think the "unionist" group could actually make out the best, i think a united ireland is probably on the cards either way, and can not be blamed on brexit, or a hard border.
With the right demands made of Dublin, the "unionist" side could end up stronger than the "nationalist", demands like department of agriculture and transport move to Belfast, a demand that in a united Ireland the unionists are guranteed a say by all parties agreeing to elevate a unionist minister to either minister of transport or agriculture. That belfast ports service the Irish navy etc etc.
These are things unionists could grab dublin by the scruff on the neck and take.
If they did it right now, before brexit then they would make out even better.
I just think the energy in the north and in Ireland is "wait and see what being in UK after brexit looks like", and among nationalists its "well wait until we 100% can gurantee a win, otherwise just test the waters and see how people feel"."
As a unionist i don’t understand why you say unionists would have a stronger say within a united ireland. Unionists by definition are British and would have no interest in having a strong say within a united ireland. Also being British citizens we would have no right to even vote in general elections within a united ireland unless u are advocating that we would be “forced” to take Irish citizenship against our will? |
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"Its way more fluid up the north these days.
You have protestant families involved in GAA who well frankly could be unionist or nationalist. You have catholics supporting cricket and rugby and again their views might be nationalist or a view that being in the union is fine.
I think the "unionist" group could actually make out the best, i think a united ireland is probably on the cards either way, and can not be blamed on brexit, or a hard border.
With the right demands made of Dublin, the "unionist" side could end up stronger than the "nationalist", demands like department of agriculture and transport move to Belfast, a demand that in a united Ireland the unionists are guranteed a say by all parties agreeing to elevate a unionist minister to either minister of transport or agriculture. That belfast ports service the Irish navy etc etc.
These are things unionists could grab dublin by the scruff on the neck and take.
If they did it right now, before brexit then they would make out even better.
I just think the energy in the north and in Ireland is "wait and see what being in UK after brexit looks like", and among nationalists its "well wait until we 100% can gurantee a win, otherwise just test the waters and see how people feel".
As a unionist i don’t understand why you say unionists would have a stronger say within a united ireland. Unionists by definition are British and would have no interest in having a strong say within a united ireland. Also being British citizens we would have no right to even vote in general elections within a united ireland unless u are advocating that we would be “forced” to take Irish citizenship against our will?"
Without wanting to be trite
If Britishness is what you want
Then surely you need to leave the island of Ireland & move to the island of Great Britain ( England Scotland & wales).
Its not the flag of Britain
Its the flag of the Union between
Great Britain & Northern Ireland .
If you do come over most British people would call you paddy
as a term of endearment if they were to hear your accent. |
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"I don't understand your point that British citizens could not vote in Ireland, since Ireland currently allows citizens of both Ireland and GB to stand for election to its Parliament."
They may be able to stand for election but British citizens are afforded limited voting rights, so there's that |
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"If there was a united ireland, the loyalist response would make the troubles look like a kitten playing with a ball of wool "
You reckon ? I'd like to see how they would deal with internment and a shoot to kill policy.
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"Its way more fluid up the north these days.
You have protestant families involved in GAA who well frankly could be unionist or nationalist. You have catholics supporting cricket and rugby and again their views might be nationalist or a view that being in the union is fine.
I think the "unionist" group could actually make out the best, i think a united ireland is probably on the cards either way, and can not be blamed on brexit, or a hard border.
With the right demands made of Dublin, the "unionist" side could end up stronger than the "nationalist", demands like department of agriculture and transport move to Belfast, a demand that in a united Ireland the unionists are guranteed a say by all parties agreeing to elevate a unionist minister to either minister of transport or agriculture. That belfast ports service the Irish navy etc etc.
These are things unionists could grab dublin by the scruff on the neck and take.
If they did it right now, before brexit then they would make out even better.
I just think the energy in the north and in Ireland is "wait and see what being in UK after brexit looks like", and among nationalists its "well wait until we 100% can gurantee a win, otherwise just test the waters and see how people feel".
As a unionist i don’t understand why you say unionists would have a stronger say within a united ireland. Unionists by definition are British and would have no interest in having a strong say within a united ireland. Also being British citizens we would have no right to even vote in general elections within a united ireland unless u are advocating that we would be “forced” to take Irish citizenship against our will?
Without wanting to be trite
If Britishness is what you want
Then surely you need to leave the island of Ireland & move to the island of Great Britain ( England Scotland & wales).
Its not the flag of Britain
Its the flag of the Union between
Great Britain & Northern Ireland .
If you do come over most British people would call you paddy
as a term of endearment if they were to hear your accent."
For the love of Christ don’t mention ‘flags’ to a Northerner... |
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"We will see what happens over the next 10 years when the Catholic population gains a majority vote in the 6 counties
I'm a Catholic and I'd vote against it"
I don't do religion but I and my entire extended family would vote to stay in the UK.
We attended Catholic schools and lived, until the late 90 s, in nationalist neighbourhoods... Purely a financial decision and nothing to do with religion or nationality  |
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"Purely a financial decision and nothing to do with religion or nationality "
Likewise.
I was born in the Republic and have been living in the North for 20 years. If it was going to happen it would and should have happened 40-50 years ago. From a financial, economical and wellbeing perspective, I'm happy with how things are. The United Irelanders have been throwing out facts and figures about how much better we'll be off. If only economics was that predictable eh?!
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Been paying into the UK system for all my adult life and my family before me. No way would i just chuck that into the skip. UK may be a bit shit right now but it's miles better than the republic of brussborgland
btw...nothing to do with religion, nationalism, loyalism or biggotry. Purely financial and having a footie team better than Brazil  |
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Don't get me started am already in the bad books in Ireland forum.
For asking are they happy having the ira bastard's in government now.
And pointing out even the Irish government wasn't happy to have them in the government..
Can you really see the Irish government being happy to have to send their army up north and spend billions on changing the money around and sorting out all the MPs and police departments. And everyone who works for the northern government could lose all their jobs.
Then there's the DUP having a small amount of seats in the government.
And the 12 of July be fun .
Never mind the fact that all the football and sports clubs will complete to take over the south leagues. Can you see linfield and my wee Glentoran being top of the league . never mind the fact that Northern Ireland football club and south being the one team and we all turn up with our Ulster flags.
My car would have to be sorted out because my car insurance and tax. Who pay for that.
Then will they give me a free passport
Then what happens if someone in jail for a British law.
Do they get set free.
And just thinking about all the money they have to spend on health care.
When the British government cuts all its payments.
They can't even run there own health care.
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"Don't get me started am already in the bad books in Ireland forum.
For asking are they happy having the ira bastard's in government now.
And pointing out even the Irish government wasn't happy to have them in the government..
Can you really see the Irish government being happy to have to send their army up north and spend billions on changing the money around and sorting out all the MPs and police departments. And everyone who works for the northern government could lose all their jobs.
Then there's the DUP having a small amount of seats in the government.
And the 12 of July be fun .
Never mind the fact that all the football and sports clubs will complete to take over the south leagues. Can you see linfield and my wee Glentoran being top of the league . never mind the fact that Northern Ireland football club and south being the one team and we all turn up with our Ulster flags.
My car would have to be sorted out because my car insurance and tax. Who pay for that.
Then will they give me a free passport
Then what happens if someone in jail for a British law.
Do they get set free.
And just thinking about all the money they have to spend on health care.
When the British government cuts all its payments.
They can't even run there own health care.
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Firstly there is no Government in the south yet.... it’s not been formed, they are still counting seats.
Fact is, I don’t think ‘The Brits’ actually give a damn about you lot... they certainly couldn’t care less about us, so saving a few million a week on a few counties nobody on ‘The Mainland’ ever visits would be quite welcome.
Maybe you should break away yourselves and see how you manage without any handouts.
Things might not be perfect down here, but we’ve not done too badly on our own in the past 100 years.
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"Don't get me started am already in the bad books in Ireland forum.
For asking are they happy having the ira bastard's in government now.
And pointing out even the Irish government wasn't happy to have them in the government..
Can you really see the Irish government being happy to have to send their army up north and spend billions on changing the money around and sorting out all the MPs and police departments. And everyone who works for the northern government could lose all their jobs.
Then there's the DUP having a small amount of seats in the government.
And the 12 of July be fun .
Never mind the fact that all the football and sports clubs will complete to take over the south leagues. Can you see linfield and my wee Glentoran being top of the league . never mind the fact that Northern Ireland football club and south being the one team and we all turn up with our Ulster flags.
My car would have to be sorted out because my car insurance and tax. Who pay for that.
Then will they give me a free passport
Then what happens if someone in jail for a British law.
Do they get set free.
And just thinking about all the money they have to spend on health care.
When the British government cuts all its payments.
They can't even run there own health care.
Firstly there is no Government in the south yet.... it’s not been formed, they are still counting seats.
Fact is, I don’t think ‘The Brits’ actually give a damn about you lot... they certainly couldn’t care less about us, so saving a few million a week on a few counties nobody on ‘The Mainland’ ever visits would be quite welcome.
Maybe you should break away yourselves and see how you manage without any handouts.
Things might not be perfect down here, but we’ve not done too badly on our own in the past 100 years.
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so the EU pulling you out of the shit a few years ago is doing well. If all the handouts from the EU stopped the south would go bankrupt. And never mind the fact that in WW2 you took money from the Germans.
And it does look like you lot might have to vote again. As no one wants to work with the ira bastard's. And you are doing so well that drug gangs are running Dublin.
Your healthcare is worst than the UK's.
You would shit yourselves if our lot was to start bombing down South.if you tried to take over the North.
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"If there was a united ireland, the loyalist response would make the troubles look like a kitten playing with a ball of wool
You reckon ? I'd like to see how they would deal with internment and a shoot to kill policy.
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"If there is a hard border? I reckon there is a good chance of it happening but that is if brexit will happen what will happen to the good friday agreement?"
I think the lorry bomb found in Ireland answers that question.
According to some groups, the good friday agreement is dead and buried. |
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"Don't get me started am already in the bad books in Ireland forum.
For asking are they happy having the ira bastard's in government now.
And pointing out even the Irish government wasn't happy to have them in the government..
Can you really see the Irish government being happy to have to send their army up north and spend billions on changing the money around and sorting out all the MPs and police departments. And everyone who works for the northern government could lose all their jobs.
Then there's the DUP having a small amount of seats in the government.
And the 12 of July be fun .
Never mind the fact that all the football and sports clubs will complete to take over the south leagues. Can you see linfield and my wee Glentoran being top of the league . never mind the fact that Northern Ireland football club and south being the one team and we all turn up with our Ulster flags.
My car would have to be sorted out because my car insurance and tax. Who pay for that.
Then will they give me a free passport
Then what happens if someone in jail for a British law.
Do they get set free.
And just thinking about all the money they have to spend on health care.
When the British government cuts all its payments.
They can't even run there own health care.
Firstly there is no Government in the south yet.... it’s not been formed, they are still counting seats.
Fact is, I don’t think ‘The Brits’ actually give a damn about you lot... they certainly couldn’t care less about us, so saving a few million a week on a few counties nobody on ‘The Mainland’ ever visits would be quite welcome.
Maybe you should break away yourselves and see how you manage without any handouts.
Things might not be perfect down here, but we’ve not done too badly on our own in the past 100 years.
so the EU pulling you out of the shit a few years ago is doing well. If all the handouts from the EU stopped the south would go bankrupt. And never mind the fact that in WW2 you took money from the Germans.
And it does look like you lot might have to vote again. As no one wants to work with the ira bastard's. And you are doing so well that drug gangs are running Dublin.
Your healthcare is worst than the UK's.
You would shit yourselves if our lot was to start bombing down South.if you tried to take over the North.
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So much wrong with this post but I’ll address 2 points
Firstly I’d be very interested to hear how Ireland took money from the Germans in WW2
Secondly,I’m interested to hear how “our lot would start a bombing campaign” in ireland in the event of a democratic decision for a United Ireland.
When it would also be co sponsored and backed by the UK,EU and America
Where would you plan on getting your weapons without British support?
You need to look at how the Irish state dealt with the internal threat posed to it by the IRA,the same would be dealt out to any loyalists drug gangs who would consider anything.
You also need to consider how very well versed the Garda Commissioner is in northern terrorism,the names and addresses of anyone planning anything are already in place and well noted. |
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