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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't think Trump will be impeached, as ridiculous as that seems. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or his actions. It's all about numbers and tribalism.
The Democrats have more numbers in the House. So a simple majority will likely vote to impeach Trump.
But the Republicans have more numbers in the Senate. So they will vote against convicting him and removing him from office.
It raises a question. What's the point of this whole process? The result seems foregone. No US president has ever been convicted and removed from office. Is the whole impeachment process merely to try and lose Trump votes in the next election?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just realised my phrasing the 1st sentence of my 1st post was a bit off. I'm tired.
I meant to say in that sentence: I don't think he'll be removed from office rather than "I don't think he'll be impeached". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes it's all about the election,I don't think the case is that strong, it may even not get past the house.
I'm more interested in barrs investigation into spygate  |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Just realised my phrasing the 1st sentence of my 1st post was a bit off. I'm tired.
I meant to say in that sentence: I don't think he'll be removed from office rather than "I don't think he'll be impeached"."
watched something last about it they were asking americans out in the towns and rural areas and a lot more were for him than against him.most seemed to think its the dems being sore losers.no idea what the cities think of it.was half hour show on one of the news channels |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just realised my phrasing the 1st sentence of my 1st post was a bit off. I'm tired.
I meant to say in that sentence: I don't think he'll be removed from office rather than "I don't think he'll be impeached".watched something last about it they were asking americans out in the towns and rural areas and a lot more were for him than against him.most seemed to think its the dems being sore losers.no idea what the cities think of it.was half hour show on one of the news channels"
I never see the value of vox pops. You can pick and choose people to support any view in the world. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Just realised my phrasing the 1st sentence of my 1st post was a bit off. I'm tired.
I meant to say in that sentence: I don't think he'll be removed from office rather than "I don't think he'll be impeached".watched something last about it they were asking americans out in the towns and rural areas and a lot more were for him than against him.most seemed to think its the dems being sore losers.no idea what the cities think of it.was half hour show on one of the news channels
I never see the value of vox pops. You can pick and choose people to support any view in the world."
i said most not all but even the ones who dont like him said if this fails its time for the other side to concentrate on picking someone to beat him.they all seemed to be of the opinion that no one is standing out in that department |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Does anybody think Trump will actually be removed?"
who knows in this crazy world he either getting locked up or re-elected or mabey he will do away with elections altogether i meen he sposed to be some sort of dictator like hitler or something isnt he??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think Trump will be impeached, as ridiculous as that seems. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or his actions. It's all about numbers and tribalism.
The Democrats have more numbers in the House. So a simple majority will likely vote to impeach Trump.
But the Republicans have more numbers in the Senate. So they will vote against convicting him and removing him from office.
It raises a question. What's the point of this whole process? The result seems foregone. No US president has ever been convicted and removed from office. Is the whole impeachment process merely to try and lose Trump votes in the next election?
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The Democrats are doing it because it is their job. It will force Republicans to vote not guilty for someone they know is guilty. Some of them won't blink, some are going to be uncomfortable in what they are doing is wrong and will resent Trump for putting them in that position.
This is also a certain anount of infighting going on in the Republican camp that may divide the Republicans.
Basically the Democrats have nothing to lose. |
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The Democrats do have plenty to lose by pushing this impeachment stuff and that is votes .
All the polls are saying the yank voters are so pissed off with this nonsense ( having a go at someone trying to expose corruption ie Trump rather than having a go at the corrupt ones themselves ie Biden and his son ) that Trumps approval rating is going up and up . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Democrats do have plenty to lose by pushing this impeachment stuff and that is votes .
All the polls are saying the yank voters are so pissed off with this nonsense ( having a go at someone trying to expose corruption ie Trump rather than having a go at the corrupt ones themselves ie Biden and his son ) that Trumps approval rating is going up and up ."
I think that Bernie Sanders is doing very well in the popularity stakes, his rallies aren't being covered by Fox News etc. Elizabeth Warren is also looking good.
I don't think Americans are seeing this as nonsense. Yes the Republicans are behind him but they don't care if he's guilty or not. But Trump has met all three requisites for impeachment. Remember it is the Republicans who are distracting and disrupting. Not allowing due process is a sign of facism. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I don't think Trump will be impeached, as ridiculous as that seems. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or his actions. It's all about numbers and tribalism.
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I took out the rest of what you said because it is a fundemental misunderstanding of what is happening
Impeachment has to do with "high crimes and misdemenors"
there is a convention in place that you don't charge sitting presidents with crimes whilst there are in office (although as soon as trump does leave the whole of volume 2 of the mueller report may as well be 10 charges of obstruction of justice... plus trump was basically named "individual 1" as an "unindited co-conspiritor" in the michael cohen case)
if you are using your position as president to go after your political enemies (in the ukraine case, joe biden) then that is a gross abuse of power (we know all this because of the phone call highlights, the inital whistleblower and all the evidence from the 17 people who took the stand)
also the president is trying to use "executive priviledge" to stop anyone in government from talking (it is only used in the past for conversations, this administration as trying to say anyone working for it basically should get a pass).... basically they are stopping/hindering the executive branch (in this case the house of representatives) from doing what they are tasked to do in the constitution which is oversight of the presidential branch!
that why they has gone for "abuse of power".... and "obstruction of congress" which are easy to prove....
they could have added bribery if they wanted to...and others such as again obstruction of justice.... but this keeps it tight and understandable...
this issue with the republicans is because they are under the spell of the "cult of trump" they are not actually arguing the facts, they are arguing the process
also because in the senate you would been a 2/3rd majority to convict and the republicans have a majority in the senate there is no way they are going to "kill their own"
the other "halfway" option would be a censure of trump (admit something bad happened but not bad enough to remove)... but trump keeps trying to say he did nothing wrong which we all know isn't true because the likes of rudy guliani (his own lawyer) keeps opening his mouth and letting out more and more info! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't think Trump will be impeached, as ridiculous as that seems. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or his actions. It's all about numbers and tribalism.
I took out the rest of what you said because it is a fundemental misunderstanding of what is happening
Impeachment has to do with "high crimes and misdemenors"
there is a convention in place that you don't charge sitting presidents with crimes whilst there are in office (although as soon as trump does leave the whole of volume 2 of the mueller report may as well be 10 charges of obstruction of justice... plus trump was basically named "individual 1" as an "unindited co-conspiritor" in the michael cohen case)
if you are using your position as president to go after your political enemies (in the ukraine case, joe biden) then that is a gross abuse of power (we know all this because of the phone call highlights, the inital whistleblower and all the evidence from the 17 people who took the stand)
also the president is trying to use "executive priviledge" to stop anyone in government from talking (it is only used in the past for conversations, this administration as trying to say anyone working for it basically should get a pass).... basically they are stopping/hindering the executive branch (in this case the house of representatives) from doing what they are tasked to do in the constitution which is oversight of the presidential branch!
that why they has gone for "abuse of power".... and "obstruction of congress" which are easy to prove....
they could have added bribery if they wanted to...and others such as again obstruction of justice.... but this keeps it tight and understandable...
this issue with the republicans is because they are under the spell of the "cult of trump" they are not actually arguing the facts, they are arguing the process
also because in the senate you would been a 2/3rd majority to convict and the republicans have a majority in the senate there is no way they are going to "kill their own"
the other "halfway" option would be a censure of trump (admit something bad happened but not bad enough to remove)... but trump keeps trying to say he did nothing wrong which we all know isn't true because the likes of rudy guliani (his own lawyer) keeps opening his mouth and letting out more and more info! "
Pretty much agrees with what I've read before and what I said. Trump likely won't be removed.
Madness. Based on the facts, he should be out the door. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think Trump will be impeached, as ridiculous as that seems. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or his actions. It's all about numbers and tribalism.
I took out the rest of what you said because it is a fundemental misunderstanding of what is happening
Impeachment has to do with "high crimes and misdemenors"
there is a convention in place that you don't charge sitting presidents with crimes whilst there are in office (although as soon as trump does leave the whole of volume 2 of the mueller report may as well be 10 charges of obstruction of justice... plus trump was basically named "individual 1" as an "unindited co-conspiritor" in the michael cohen case)
if you are using your position as president to go after your political enemies (in the ukraine case, joe biden) then that is a gross abuse of power (we know all this because of the phone call highlights, the inital whistleblower and all the evidence from the 17 people who took the stand)
also the president is trying to use "executive priviledge" to stop anyone in government from talking (it is only used in the past for conversations, this administration as trying to say anyone working for it basically should get a pass).... basically they are stopping/hindering the executive branch (in this case the house of representatives) from doing what they are tasked to do in the constitution which is oversight of the presidential branch!
that why they has gone for "abuse of power".... and "obstruction of congress" which are easy to prove....
they could have added bribery if they wanted to...and others such as again obstruction of justice.... but this keeps it tight and understandable...
this issue with the republicans is because they are under the spell of the "cult of trump" they are not actually arguing the facts, they are arguing the process
also because in the senate you would been a 2/3rd majority to convict and the republicans have a majority in the senate there is no way they are going to "kill their own"
the other "halfway" option would be a censure of trump (admit something bad happened but not bad enough to remove)... but trump keeps trying to say he did nothing wrong which we all know isn't true because the likes of rudy guliani (his own lawyer) keeps opening his mouth and letting out more and more info!
Pretty much agrees with what I've read before and what I said. Trump likely won't be removed.
Madness. Based on the facts, he should be out the door."
The Republicans have also been relying on a report to say the FBI investigation had political bias, but the report came back saying there was none. Infact the FBI had informants in the Trump camp but did not use them in order to keep all doubt away from the issue. The investigation was triggered by tip off coming from the Australians and therefore a legitimate investigation.
Also pretty hypocritical of Trump to be moaning about being spied on after the NSA/Snowden issue... |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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Has any US president been removed from office due to impeachment process? No.
Is Trump going to be removed from office due to this 'impeachment' process? No.
No matter how much the left 'hates' this particular president, he will still be in office. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has any US president been removed from office due to impeachment process? No.
Is Trump going to be removed from office due to this 'impeachment' process? No.
No matter how much the left 'hates' this particular president, he will still be in office. "
There was a journalist who used the word hate in asking a question a question to Nancy Pelosi. Boy did she rip him a new one! Hilarious. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has any US president been removed from office due to impeachment process? No.
Is Trump going to be removed from office due to this 'impeachment' process? No.
No matter how much the left 'hates' this particular president, he will still be in office. "
Donald Trump attacks and threatens the free press who criticise him. Do you think that defending the First Amendment is leftist?
Donald Trump is unAmerican he embodies the antithesis of everything America stands for. You don't have to be on the left to be against children being kept in cages. You just have to be a decent human being. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Impeached yes.
Removed no.
One more year until four more years is what I see.
Except this time around he will be up against real opposition. "
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Imo there's only 1 candidate who can beat trump and that's tulsi but right now she's fighting the DNC and the media.
If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time."
if you are going to say stuff like this... you need to back it up...
so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Impeached yes.
Removed no.
One more year until four more years is what I see.
Except this time around he will be up against real opposition. .
Imo there's only 1 candidate who can beat trump and that's tulsi but right now she's fighting the DNC and the media.
If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time."
You may be right. A sad indictment of the American people. Not that we can talk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
if you are going to say stuff like this... you need to back it up...
so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020"
Bernie Sanders is leading the popularity poll. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Impeached yes.
Removed no.
One more year until four more years is what I see.
Except this time around he will be up against real opposition. .
Imo there's only 1 candidate who can beat trump and that's tulsi but right now she's fighting the DNC and the media.
If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
You may be right. A sad indictment of the American people. Not that we can talk."
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Everybody is looking for radical change, well everybody except the electorate.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Impeached yes.
Removed no.
One more year until four more years is what I see.
Except this time around he will be up against real opposition. .
Imo there's only 1 candidate who can beat trump and that's tulsi but right now she's fighting the DNC and the media.
If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
You may be right. A sad indictment of the American people. Not that we can talk..
Everybody is looking for radical change, well everybody except the electorate. "
Of course the best way to effect change is to..... vote for the same people.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
if you are going to say stuff like this... you need to back it up...
so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020"
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New Mexico. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
if you are going to say stuff like this... you need to back it up...
so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020.
New Mexico."
Yeah all those Republican voters who've just had their land taken away to build a wall must be so thrilled about eminent domain  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If she fails, trump's in on a bigger vote share than last time.
if you are going to say stuff like this... you need to back it up...
so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020.
New Mexico.
Yeah all those Republican voters who've just had their land taken away to build a wall must be so thrilled about eminent domain "
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Actually he's seem a rise in the Latino vote |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020.
New Mexico."
are you sure there...
in the 2018 midterms the republicans lost new mexico 1 by 23 pts...
lost new mexico 3 by 29 pts...
and in new mexico 2, which was republican... well they lost it to the dems by 2, in an area is which normally pro republican by 6-7...
but okay champ.... you think trump wins.... in 2016 he lost new mexico to clinton by 9 |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Are they doing the vote today?"
eventually... they will start the debate at about 9.... then they will have a minimum of 6hrs of debate
they expect the vote to happen somewhere around 6-7 local... so about midnight our time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Are they doing the vote today?
eventually... they will start the debate at about 9.... then they will have a minimum of 6hrs of debate
they expect the vote to happen somewhere around 6-7 local... so about midnight our time"
Thanks _abio. I never miss a good Trump hate fest! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Are they doing the vote today?
eventually... they will start the debate at about 9.... then they will have a minimum of 6hrs of debate
they expect the vote to happen somewhere around 6-7 local... so about midnight our time"
Trump's twitter feed should be entertaining then.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so name 1 state trump didn't win in 2016 that you think he will win in 2020.
New Mexico.
are you sure there...
in the 2018 midterms the republicans lost new mexico 1 by 23 pts...
lost new mexico 3 by 29 pts...
and in new mexico 2, which was republican... well they lost it to the dems by 2, in an area is which normally pro republican by 6-7...
but okay champ.... you think trump wins.... in 2016 he lost new mexico to clinton by 9"
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People vote different in the midterms,I expect new Mexico and new Hampshire to be tight this time round |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"Has any US president been removed from office due to impeachment process? No.
Is Trump going to be removed from office due to this 'impeachment' process? No.
No matter how much the left 'hates' this particular president, he will still be in office.
There was a journalist who used the word hate in asking a question a question to Nancy Pelosi. Boy did she rip him a new one! Hilarious. "
Yes she certainly got a bit mad at that question. Perhaps it struck a nerve. She did go to walk off and then came back on again as she remembered who she was and made a grab for her power lecturn to deliver her reply.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has any US president been removed from office due to impeachment process? No.
Is Trump going to be removed from office due to this 'impeachment' process? No.
No matter how much the left 'hates' this particular president, he will still be in office.
There was a journalist who used the word hate in asking a question a question to Nancy Pelosi. Boy did she rip him a new one! Hilarious.
Yes she certainly got a bit mad at that question. Perhaps it struck a nerve. She did go to walk off and then came back on again as she remembered who she was and made a grab for her power lecturn to deliver her reply.
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Absolutely brilliant! Trying to find a YouTube link... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If they put a decent candidate up he'll get beat but I can't see one from the current line up, Bloomberg maybe, I quite like a couple of the candidates you never see but they don't seem to be the ones the "DNC want".
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they put a decent candidate up he'll get beat but I can't see one from the current line up, Bloomberg maybe, I quite like a couple of the candidates you never see but they don't seem to be the ones the "DNC want".
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They don't seem to like Bloomberg because he's using his own money. Weird that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://youtu.be/ar0yjBm2HTU
Is she OK, she looked a bit rattled. What's with the bracelet shaking? Did she have a drink or two? "
No it's because.....
'Tis the season to be jolly and jingle all the way. Trala lala ...la. la la la
On another SNL they said as a catholic you don't hate anyone. Except yourself |
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The main problem is that Democrats have attacked trump non stop, they constantly say stuff he is doing is illegal.
I think fatigue has set in. They should have picked their battles better. Lets not forget these were the people putting forward crazy theories about him pissing all over russian prostitues and the kgb having videos of him with russina hookers and shit.
I think what republicans want is something like a cum drenched dress in the fridge, like Monica had on Clinton. And for her to bring it forward.
So I think they need the fbi, cia, the people in the other country, and a money trail to all come forward before the republicans will take it serious.
Cause to be honest, democrats just seem like monkeys flinging shit every direction they can to see if anything sticks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The main problem is that Democrats have attacked trump non stop, they constantly say stuff he is doing is illegal." - might have something to do with so much of what he does actually being illegal...
There are only 2 articles of impeachment. Making this the least number of articles ever in an impeachment hearing. I think even the Republicans are surprised. |
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""The main problem is that Democrats have attacked trump non stop, they constantly say stuff he is doing is illegal." - might have something to do with so much of what he does actually being illegal...
There are only 2 articles of impeachment. Making this the least number of articles ever in an impeachment hearing. I think even the Republicans are surprised. "
Its not though, he was brought to court for wanting to hold migrants in airports before entering the US, that is not illegal.
He was brought to court for wanting to build the wall, that is not illegal.
He his highly unlikable that's all.
You saying that its the lowest number of articles, proves it. Nothing else he has done is even close to impeachable or it would be added. Republicans are not surprised.
That does not mean they are not flinging shit. Everything he decides ends up in court. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""The main problem is that Democrats have attacked trump non stop, they constantly say stuff he is doing is illegal." - might have something to do with so much of what he does actually being illegal...
There are only 2 articles of impeachment. Making this the least number of articles ever in an impeachment hearing. I think even the Republicans are surprised.
Its not though, he was brought to court for wanting to hold migrants in airports before entering the US, that is not illegal.
He was brought to court for wanting to build the wall, that is not illegal.
He his highly unlikable that's all.
You saying that its the lowest number of articles, proves it. Nothing else he has done is even close to impeachable or it would be added. Republicans are not surprised.
That does not mean they are not flinging shit. Everything he decides ends up in court."
Actually every time he threatens someone, especially those in the press he is breaking the law. But what did he say, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it.
We will talk again when he hands over his tax records |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As it stands there's not a chance in hell Trump will be removed from office. But if John Bolton were to make a statement then who knows what might happen. Come on John, speak up man! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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wow.... shitshow of a post there.... so, time to go on clean up duty!!
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Its not though, he was brought to court for wanting to hold migrants in airports before entering the US, that is not illegal."
nope... he tried to implement a muslim ban on people coming into the country which was determined to be illegal twice
he also tried to stop people being able to claim asylam when reaching us territory... which was also deemed to be illegal
he also tried to seperate children from adults when they came to the us.. which was also deemed to be illegal
"He was brought to court for wanting to build the wall, that is not illegal."
building the wall isn't illegal..... trying to divert money from other places where that money was specifically allocated (which is the job of congress) is!!!! and that was what he was brought to court for...
and he lost!
by the way... number of miles of new border wall built under trump.... zero!
"He his highly unlikable that's all.
You saying that its the lowest number of articles, proves it. Nothing else he has done is even close to impeachable or it would be added. Republicans are not surprised."
actually not true.... those two are the easiest to prove because he himself or his staff/people around him have admitted to them
they "could" have added obstruction of justice (volume 2 of the mueller report)..... they "could" have added bribery which is specially mentioned in the grounds from impeachment in the constitution (it doesn't matter if ukraine knew or not they were being extorted, the attempt is enough)
"That does not mean they are not flinging shit. Everything he decides ends up in court."
which is mostly of his own doing... i.e the bank records and potential fraud, emolument issues, telling people not to turn up for governmental hearings ect ect ect.........
actually i would not be surprised if they didn't end up getting him for something political, but they get him thru the RICO statues thru his business |
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"If they put a decent candidate up he'll get beat but I can't see one from the current line up, Bloomberg maybe, I quite like a couple of the candidates you never see but they don't seem to be the ones the "DNC want".
They don't seem to like Bloomberg because he's using his own money. Weird that."
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No not really, the DNC love money backers just like the republicans do.
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Two things.
Firstly this is the lowest based evidence for impeachment since Johnson, (Johnson was impeached by radical republicans) it's already been shown that by many law and history professors.
Secondly, do you really want every single president to face the same charges as trump from now on?.
I suggest that may not end as well as you think if your a democrat or even just a middle man.
Beat trump at the ballot box, it's what he dislikes the most, beat him by offering an alternative candidate with real choices that mostly everybody can get behind, one with a persona, charm, realism and character.
If the DNC do tulsi gabbard out of it this time then you can't blame trump, although you will |
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Trump has now been impeached on both abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. What's the point, though? In the Senate, he'll be let off anyway.
It all just feels so pointless. The only thing Trump will suffer directly is having his name up there next to the 2 other presidents who were impeached.
It feels like this is all about trying to get people not to vote for an impeached president at the next election. And I'm not even sure Trump supporters will give a toss that he's been impeached anyway.
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"Trump has now been impeached on both abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. What's the point, though? In the Senate, he'll be let off anyway.
It all just feels so pointless. The only thing Trump will suffer directly is having his name up there next to the 2 other presidents who were impeached.
It feels like this is all about trying to get people not to vote for an impeached president at the next election. And I'm not even sure Trump supporters will give a toss that he's been impeached anyway.
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They did it because that was their job. Many of the FBI people working on the investigation are pro Trump but did their jobs anyway.
Bottom line is you can't have a president doing whatever he likes just because he has a majority in the Senate.
By the way, the Republicans were talking about impeaching Clinton before she even got elected. Had she been elected they would have been on that boat immediately. |
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The Republicans know that for whatever gaffes Donald Trump has committed, he will win them a 2nd term, why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot for?
The need for stability and control in countries overrides ethics.
That’s why Tyrants always win, because they bring stability and that is what people want.
So when the Republican controlled Senate have the hearing they will let him go free.
Because they are worried that if they don’t, chaos and uncertainty will follow. |
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In some respects it's a good thing it's going to the senate. Perhaps there, some due process will be adhered to. As long as there is a fair trial that's all that matters.
I will add, that even before President Trump took office, the Democrats have been seeking anyway possible to remove him from office by impeachment.
This particular impeachment attempt now sets the bar for future impeachment attempts very, very low. You reap what you sow springs to mind.
Yes, those holier than tho Democrat representatives have had their moment, however it will not bode well for them. A large proportion of the silent electorate have been watching, taking notes and ultimately will remember.
An interesting spectacle in the ongoing dog and pony show.
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"The Republicans know that for whatever gaffes Donald Trump has committed, he will win them a 2nd term, why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot for?
The need for stability and control in countries overrides ethics.
That’s why Tyrants always win, because they bring stability and that is what people want.
So when the Republican controlled Senate have the hearing they will let him go free.
Because they are worried that if they don’t, chaos and uncertainty will follow."
Well CBS covered the rally that Trump held yesterday and the threat of violence was very apparent. People were using words like civil war.
I was not feeling the love... |
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"In some respects it's a good thing it's going to the senate. Perhaps there, some due process will be adhered to. As long as there is a fair trial that's all that matters.
I will add, that even before President Trump took office, the Democrats have been seeking anyway possible to remove him from office by impeachment.
This particular impeachment attempt now sets the bar for future impeachment attempts very, very low. You reap what you sow springs to mind.
Yes, those holier than tho Democrat representatives have had their moment, however it will not bode well for them. A large proportion of the silent electorate have been watching, taking notes and ultimately will remember.
An interesting spectacle in the ongoing dog and pony show.
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Well I suppose in light of the fact that the evidence is overwhelming, the only recourse is to delegitimise the process even though the Democrats have been very careful to do everything by the book.
Again the Republicans were talking impeachment of Clinton had she been elected and that was even before the election. So it's a bit of the tin pot calling the kettle black. |
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The situation does all feel a bit Brexity. Going forward, facts won't matter at all on 1 side. They will just do a lot of mad shouting, spewing of bullshit and flag waving. |
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"Is it “Happy impeachment “
Or is it “Merry impeachment “
I don’t want to offend anybody....
welcome back bob thought you were in hiding after the result lol"
Just chillin.. |
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"Is it “Happy impeachment “
Or is it “Merry impeachment “
I don’t want to offend anybody....
welcome back bob thought you were in hiding after the result lol
Just chillin.. "
drowning ya sorrows on scrumpy ya mean can’t fault ya lol |
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By all standards of common sense , decency , standards and integrity, he should be found guilty next month . But as we are talking politics , that will never happen. If he can say what he said about touching up women and still win an election where women effectively voted him into office, there is more chance of the earth being declared flat than republican senators finding against him. |
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"By all standards of common sense , decency , standards and integrity, he should be found guilty next month . But as we are talking politics , that will never happen. If he can say what he said about touching up women and still win an election where women effectively voted him into office, there is more chance of the earth being declared flat than republican senators finding against him."
I reckon he'll be let off by the Senate. Then he'll even trumpet that fact as a positive. Saying stuff like "look at me! Innocent! They tried to get rid of me, but the brave and noble Republicans wouldn't let them!" etc |
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I’m seeing parallels with the recent election here. I think the voter base may be galvanised for 2020 with Trump riding on the outrage and cries for freedom.
Ridicule and smugness is not the answer. Beat them at the ballot box. |
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"I’m seeing parallels with the recent election here. I think the voter base may be galvanised for 2020 with Trump riding on the outrage and cries for freedom.
Ridicule and smugness is not the answer. Beat them at the ballot box. "
It's hard to beat liars at the ballot box when people believe lies. I think that's a growing issue. |
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Well now we have a new double standard. Are Republicans putting Trump above Jesus? Don't they find this blasphemous?
When John Lennon said the Beatles were popular than Jesus Christ there was an outcry in the USA. People across the bible belt were burning Beatles albums. (Ahhh remember vinyl. What would they have done today? Sworn at Alexa?)
So Republicans have done the same thing. Where's the backlash? NO backlash. |
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"Well now we have a new double standard. Are Republicans putting Trump above Jesus? Don't they find this blasphemous?
When John Lennon said the Beatles were popular than Jesus Christ there was an outcry in the USA. People across the bible belt were burning Beatles albums. (Ahhh remember vinyl. What would they have done today? Sworn at Alexa?)
So Republicans have done the same thing. Where's the backlash? NO backlash. "
Because trump is their messiah and is backed by Lucifer no less! |
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"Well now we have a new double standard. Are Republicans putting Trump above Jesus? Don't they find this blasphemous?
When John Lennon said the Beatles were popular than Jesus Christ there was an outcry in the USA. People across the bible belt were burning Beatles albums. (Ahhh remember vinyl. What would they have done today? Sworn at Alexa?)
So Republicans have done the same thing. Where's the backlash? NO backlash.
Because trump is their messiah and is backed by Lucifer no less!"
Would God send such a vulgar despicable person? |
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"I’m seeing parallels with the recent election here. I think the voter base may be galvanised for 2020 with Trump riding on the outrage and cries for freedom.
Ridicule and smugness is not the answer. Beat them at the ballot box. "
 sure how do win an election where you can win the presidency and not the popular vote.
At least in the UK the tories won the overall share and the popular vote. |
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"I’m seeing parallels with the recent election here. I think the voter base may be galvanised for 2020 with Trump riding on the outrage and cries for freedom.
Ridicule and smugness is not the answer. Beat them at the ballot box.
sure how do win an election where you can win the presidency and not the popular vote.
At least in the UK the tories won the overall share and the popular vote."
With the current state of the rich owning the popular press and fake news gaining more attention than the truth, this is a situation where evil will triumph over good. Therefore he who fights dirtiest wins.
We used to choose our leaders for their integrity. Now we choose them for the lack thereof. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Well now we have a new double standard. Are Republicans putting Trump above Jesus? Don't they find this blasphemous?
When John Lennon said the Beatles were popular than Jesus Christ there was an outcry in the USA. People across the bible belt were burning Beatles albums. (Ahhh remember vinyl. What would they have done today? Sworn at Alexa?)
So Republicans have done the same thing. Where's the backlash? NO backlash. "
and the funny thing is that his reaction last night was at his campaign rally last night to have a swipe at probably the most revered family in michigan political history...
to someone who is not a "michigander" or someone who has never live there to go after the dingells is an all time mistake..
it did not go down well at his rally (fully of republicans to attack that democrat) and he has been getting pasted for it all day
i was trying to explain this to people today, there is a congressional seat in michigan that has sent a "dingell" to DC to represent them for the last 90 yrs.... Dingell sr was in the seat for 22 years... then john dingell represented it for 56 years (and not just represented it! without him there would be no civil rights act, no clean air or water act, in fact no medicare!) then when dingell retired his wife, debbie, ran and has held the seat for the last 12 years.....
john dingell died in feb, he was also a WW2 combat vet before going into politics...
i liken him to a democratic version on john mccain... that how high esteem people hold john dingell in!
last time round debbie dingell won her congressional seat in the 2018 midterms by 110,000 votes..... in 2016 trump won the entire state of michigan by 10,000
his blow up last night could honestly have cost him the state, because there is your soundbite you play again and again in detroit, and ann arbor, lansing, grand rapids and kalamazoo ect......
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"I’m seeing parallels with the recent election here. I think the voter base may be galvanised for 2020 with Trump riding on the outrage and cries for freedom.
Ridicule and smugness is not the answer. Beat them at the ballot box.
sure how do win an election where you can win the presidency and not the popular vote.
At least in the UK the tories won the overall share and the popular vote.
With the current state of the rich owning the popular press and fake news gaining more attention than the truth, this is a situation where evil will triumph over good. Therefore he who fights dirtiest wins.
We used to choose our leaders for their integrity. Now we choose them for the lack thereof."
I think the holier than holier act wears thin these days, people pontificating and telling people how to lead their lives was all good and well in the past.
People want the guy down the pub, not the guy on podium.
Boris is that guy, an arsehole yes, but one the electorate can relate to. |
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He's dishonest. He created a charity and then plundered it. He's a common thief and should be in jail.
Under those critera we would be led by the joker not the king. |
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"Trump has lost a LOT of support in the military. Disapproval ratings have gone up from the 20s to over 50%..."
Obama's were even worse in his final year.
One thing we've seen from the last three years of Trump is that no matter what outrageous things he does and says, his base remains pretty solid. I think it will take a huge dip in the US economy with big job losses for that to change. Or maybe if he actually does shoot someone on 5th avenue. Neither seem likely right now. |
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"Trump has lost a LOT of support in the military. Disapproval ratings have gone up from the 20s to over 50%...
Obama's were even worse in his final year.
One thing we've seen from the last three years of Trump is that no matter what outrageous things he does and says, his base remains pretty solid. I think it will take a huge dip in the US economy with big job losses for that to change. Or maybe if he actually does shoot someone on 5th avenue. Neither seem likely right now."
There is a perception is that Americans are getting rich, their economy is healthy the very rich are getting very richer but the average American is getting poor.
Trump is losing favour over the Kurd fiasco. Soldiers don't like someone who isn't loyal. |
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and also win 2020 . Dems dont have a hope
