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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It was a time of prosperity, I'm not sure how much of that was down to the government. The banking collapse showed that they're never really in control of the economy. "
That is right as much about it was the time of prosperity too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Tony blair won an
election iff of the back of the death of a True Labour man
Jihn Smith.
The success of the so called New Labour was one Girdon Brown.
Not El President Blair. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
Blair had charisma and was a leader,I did vote for him first time around.
He did a lot of good things and some bad things like all good leaders not perfect.Also told a lot of lies as leaders tend to.
What he could do was make himself and his party electable he understood the British people,Corbyn and co did not the just had ideaology which makes a good fairy tale and people cottoned on to this.
I hope labour get a good strong leader and be a credible opposition because all governments need to be questioned in the right way.Not to generate hate as Corbyn did,show love of Queen and Country.Heard a couple of guys in Burnley on TV say they could not vote for a man who disrespected the queen,this surprised me but it says a lot about this nation |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?"
I totally agree. I voted for new Labour in the nineties even though I usually vote Conservative. I would do so again if the policies were sensible and I liked the leader. I couldn't bring myself to vote for corbyn - not because I felt like he was a left wing loon with mannerisms that I disliked, but because I was genuinely concerned that the manifesto meant economic ruin, that the man could be threat to national security and that his politics and policies belonged in the 1970s.
I have nothing against Labour. I just wish they would have come up with a less crazy sounding manifesto with a better leader so Boris wound up being "the best of a bad lot".
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Elections are won by capturing the centre-ground, not the extremes of left or right.
Blair understood this and reshaped Labour very skilfully.
His commitment to adhere to Tory spending limits in the first two years eliminated the usual line of Tory attack.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?"
He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Tony blair won an
election iff of the back of the death of a True Labour man
Jihn Smith.
The success of the so called New Labour was one Girdon Brown.
Not El President Blair."
agree with you about john smith one of the only times ive ever considerd voting for anyone then the fucker went and died before i had a chance to.reakon he would of waljed an election straight talking take no nonsense sort of bloke |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
NOBODY should make any comment about Tony Blair - Fuck Tony Blair? - without first having read "A Journey" (his political memoirs). Or "You Can't Say That" (Ken Livingstone's). |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Elections are won by capturing the centre-ground, not the extremes of left or right.
Blair understood this and reshaped Labour very skilfully.
His commitment to adhere to Tory spending limits in the first two years eliminated the usual line of Tory attack.
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Centrism is dead.
This is the second time that centrists have had their arse handed to them in an election.
All of CHUK lost their seats,
The Lib Dems did bugger all.
Here's a list of seats that Labour lost in the election and how they voted in the referendum:
Blyth Valley – leave
Workington – leave
Barrow & Furness – leave
Blackpool South – leave
Leigh – leave
Bolton N.E. – leave
Bury South – leave
Hyndburn – leave
Burnley – leave
Keighley – leave
N.W.Durham – leave
Bishop Auckland – leave
Darlington – leave
Sedgefield – leave
Stockton South – leave
Redcar – leave
Penistone – leave
Dewsbury – leave
Wakefield – leave
Scunthorpe – leave
Great Grimsby – leave
Lincoln – leave
Don Valley – leave
Rother Valley – leave
Bassetlaw – leave
Bolsover – leave
Ashfield – leave
Gedling – leave
Peterborough – leave
Ispwich leave
Derby North – leave
Stoke on Trent – leave
Newcastle – under – Lyme – leave
Crewe and Nantwich – leave
Wrexham – leave
Clywd South – leave
Vale of Clywd – leave
Delyn – leave
Yns Mons – leave
Wolverhampton N.E. – leave
Wolverhampton S,W. – leave
Dudley North – leave
Birmingham, Northfield – leave
Stroud – remain (54.1%)
Bridgend – remain (50.4%)
Kensington – remain (68.7%)
Colne Valley – remain (50.4%)
If Labour elect a Blairite as leader they will be dead for years.
The Corbyn manifesto was very popular, it was Corbyn himself and dickheads like Adonis claiming Labour was a remain party that lost them the election. |
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Why do none of the leave seats have % with them? I have to say for me I would normally vote Lib Dem, but the risk of corbyn, his socialist policies and his completely over the top give away manifesto was way to much of a risk to vote anything but conservative. I voted remain at the referendum but to me the left getting power and corbyn being pm was a more dangerous prospect. I would prefer a more centrist government but I don’t think this will ever be possible whilst the main two are polar extremes. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Why do none of the leave seats have % with them? I have to say for me I would normally vote Lib Dem, but the risk of corbyn, his socialist policies and his completely over the top give away manifesto was way to much of a risk to vote anything but conservative. I voted remain at the referendum but to me the left getting power and corbyn being pm was a more dangerous prospect. I would prefer a more centrist government but I don’t think this will ever be possible whilst the main two are polar extremes. "
I only put the % when they were really close.
The fact remains that the manifesto was virtually unchanged from 2017 when Labour won more votes than any time since 1945. It really wasn't that left wing.
The main difference in 2019 was that the right of the party had managed to convince the leadership to adopt a second referendum (in 2017, the Labour policy was to respect the result). There was also more time to smear Corbyn - who is the most smeared politician in recent history (study conducted by Loughborough university).
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The only reason this majority didn’t happen in 2017 was because the May put on possibly one of the worst campaigns ever ... at the time I genuinely thought she was trying to throw the election so she didn’t have to deal with brexit. I mean fox hunting dementia tax. Labour didn’t stop the majority the torys lost it. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The only reason this majority didn’t happen in 2017 was because the May put on possibly one of the worst campaigns ever ... at the time I genuinely thought she was trying to throw the election so she didn’t have to deal with brexit. I mean fox hunting dementia tax. Labour didn’t stop the majority the torys lost it. "
Not really- Blair had a landslide with the percentage of votes Labour got in 2017.
The real story was (and still is) the utter collapse of the centre. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Elections are won by capturing the centre-ground, not the extremes of left or right.
Blair understood this and reshaped Labour very skilfully.
His commitment to adhere to Tory spending limits in the first two years eliminated the usual line of Tory attack.
Centrism is dead.
This is the second time that centrists have had their arse handed to them in an election.
All of CHUK lost their seats,
The Lib Dems did bugger all.
Here's a list of seats that Labour lost in the election and how they voted in the referendum:
Blyth Valley – leave
Workington – leave
Barrow & Furness – leave
Blackpool South – leave
Leigh – leave
Bolton N.E. – leave
Bury South – leave
Hyndburn – leave
Burnley – leave
Keighley – leave
N.W.Durham – leave
Bishop Auckland – leave
Darlington – leave
Sedgefield – leave
Stockton South – leave
Redcar – leave
Penistone – leave
Dewsbury – leave
Wakefield – leave
Scunthorpe – leave
Great Grimsby – leave
Lincoln – leave
Don Valley – leave
Rother Valley – leave
Bassetlaw – leave
Bolsover – leave
Ashfield – leave
Gedling – leave
Peterborough – leave
Ispwich leave
Derby North – leave
Stoke on Trent – leave
Newcastle – under – Lyme – leave
Crewe and Nantwich – leave
Wrexham – leave
Clywd South – leave
Vale of Clywd – leave
Delyn – leave
Yns Mons – leave
Wolverhampton N.E. – leave
Wolverhampton S,W. – leave
Dudley North – leave
Birmingham, Northfield – leave
Stroud – remain (54.1%)
Bridgend – remain (50.4%)
Kensington – remain (68.7%)
Colne Valley – remain (50.4%)
If Labour elect a Blairite as leader they will be dead for years.
The Corbyn manifesto was very popular, it was Corbyn himself and dickheads like Adonis claiming Labour was a remain party that lost them the election."
So popular that labour lost the election!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The only reason this majority didn’t happen in 2017 was because the May put on possibly one of the worst campaigns ever ... at the time I genuinely thought she was trying to throw the election so she didn’t have to deal with brexit. I mean fox hunting dementia tax. Labour didn’t stop the majority the torys lost it. "
And yet they kept that dickhead corbyn as leader. You know that momentum and its supporters are dumb fucks.
Majorities are not build on the shoulders of the youth. They are built on the backs of the old people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?
He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair.
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He may have lied to the country, but he was extremely popular, just like boris is, and look what he did?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do none of the leave seats have % with them? I have to say for me I would normally vote Lib Dem, but the risk of corbyn, his socialist policies and his completely over the top give away manifesto was way to much of a risk to vote anything but conservative. I voted remain at the referendum but to me the left getting power and corbyn being pm was a more dangerous prospect. I would prefer a more centrist government but I don’t think this will ever be possible whilst the main two are polar extremes.
I only put the % when they were really close.
The fact remains that the manifesto was virtually unchanged from 2017 when Labour won more votes than any time since 1945. It really wasn't that left wing.
The main difference in 2019 was that the right of the party had managed to convince the leadership to adopt a second referendum (in 2017, the Labour policy was to respect the result). There was also more time to smear Corbyn - who is the most smeared politician in recent history (study conducted by Loughborough university).
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He was, but he didn’t have the balls to take his accusers on, everyone saw the man as a pussy.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?"
It can and it will, and when it does, people will realise that centre left is the way to go. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?
It can and it will, and when it does, people will realise that centre left is the way to go."
How did that work out for ChangeUK, the next big centrist project?
How did that work out for "I'm gonna be prime minister" Jo Swinson.
How many times do centrists need to utterly fail to realise that they haven't been relevant in years?
It is not 1997. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?
He lied to the country, he was basically a Tory. Fuck Tony Blair.
He may have lied to the country, but he was extremely popular, just like boris is, and look what he did?
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"He knew his way round a catchy theme tune.
"Things Can Only Get Better"
D:REAM
Prof Brian Cox on keyboards.
Swoon.
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Cox on keyboard I never knew that.
What an Alpha move by Blair to bring them in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One of the most pleasurable nights of my life, staying up to see the near-total wipe-out of the Conservative Party after 18 years.
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Must say my most pleasurable nights list doesn't include anything remotely political  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"One of the most pleasurable nights of my life, staying up to see the near-total wipe-out of the Conservative Party after 18 years.
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Yep.
And then I watched the bastards sell my generation down the river.
At least the Tories are honest enough not to hide their utter disdain for ordinary working people, whereas the Tony Blair government stabbed us in the back.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was back in the days in the 90s when tony blair won election after election,. I remembered it well. I like him.
Now I feel the party is too much left and it needs to be in the centre grounds to win more, did tony have the perfect formula and can it be replicated in the future?"
Well it was a long journey, From Foot, it was Kinnock who turned the corner, John Smith RIP who made labour electable and Blair who finished the job. It may have been a different world if John Smith didn't die. It took 10 to 15 years. I guess history will repeat itself. 10 years of no opposition.
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