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"It is a false sense of increase in the economy it is only reacting to the market after events it will return to the normal rate or slightly above or under it." Its what you have been told for the last few years while supporting the remainers business does not like uncertainty.We now have it and things can get back on track. | |||
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"It is a false sense of increase in the economy it is only reacting to the market after events it will return to the normal rate or slightly above or under it.Its what you have been told for the last few years while supporting the remainers business does not like uncertainty.We now have it and things can get back on track. " 
Stock market changes are short term and based on sentiment. The rise is based on an expectation that there will be no corporation tax increases.
The trading relationship between the UK and the EU is certain for one more year.
When the TRANSITION bill is passed we will be in a period of uncertainty again.
So another year to "get back on tracK" unless it is "certain" that we have no comprehensive agreement, then we have several more years of uncertainty until we negotiate other trade deals and trade on WTO terms which are yet to be negotiated but cannot be arbitrated without the organisation functioning.
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will. "I'll not be paying as much tax as I might have been under a government that would have increased public spending. That's not necessarily a good thing. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
I'll not be paying as much tax as I might have been under a government that would have increased public spending.
That's not necessarily a good thing."Look at what Trump is saying over the other side. America is booming. We're all getting rich. The average American is far richer. Only because the super wealthy is superwealthier. The 90% are the same or poorer. So is everyone in the UK £4 richer than they were on Thursday? Because you can bet your bottom dollar that Boris will be bragging how he's bolstered the economy. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
I'll not be paying as much tax as I might have been under a government that would have increased public spending.
That's not necessarily a good thing.
Look at what Trump is saying over the other side. America is booming. We're all getting rich. The average American is far richer. Only because the super wealthy is superwealthier. The 90% are the same or poorer.
So is everyone in the UK £4 richer than they were on Thursday? Because you can bet your bottom dollar that Boris will be bragging how he's bolstered the economy. "Some fools will fall for it too | |||
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""Some people are so poor all they have is money" - Bob Marley" Yep...... I remember that when i went to his house. I am very poor though. Only paid £1k income tax last year | |||
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""Some people are so poor all they have is money" - Bob Marley Yep...... I remember that when i went to his house. I am very poor though. Only paid £1k income tax last year " Why are you poor? | |||
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"Trickle down economics is another of the many fantasies of neo liberalism. " It used to work that way. Not any more. Why aren't we celebrating making unbelievably rich people even richer at our expense while we struggle to get by? We are the 5th richest country in terms of wealth. We are rolling in money | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .." Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying  | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will. "Is that jealousy I smell? Yeah so they're rich. So what? The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life "Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win? The salt was unreal | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life "Thank you for your expert opinion on what is idiotic and what is not. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying "What an envious little mind you have. No doubt that fuels your desire to steal others money through taxation which you then call fairness and wealth redistribution. Trouble is it's not your money in the first place . You didn't earn it. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal"Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really  | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
Is that jealousy I smell?
Yeah so they're rich. So what?
The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology."You have more money than Jeremy Corbyn? He's the richest Marxist I've ever come across. Why do people on here who come across opinions different to their own assume the other person is wound up? I take the yapping poodle next door more seriously than you lot. I just find it very amusing to see Dunning Kruger in action. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
What an envious little mind you have. No doubt that fuels your desire to steal others money through taxation which you then call fairness and wealth redistribution. Trouble is it's not your money in the first place . You didn't earn it."I take it from this comment that you are both a person of enormous intellect and multibillion pound wealth. Because if you're not you're just one of the people the rich have convinced to pay their tax for them. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
Is that jealousy I smell?
Yeah so they're rich. So what?
The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology.
You have more money than Jeremy Corbyn?
He's the richest Marxist I've ever come across.
Why do people on here who come across opinions different to their own assume the other person is wound up?
I take the yapping poodle next door more seriously than you lot. I just find it very amusing to see Dunning Kruger in action."Waffle all you like boy you're still jealous of wealth. As for Corbyn being rich, exactly. A lefty hypocrite who'd be fine while we all went down the toilet. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really "Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume? | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
Is that jealousy I smell?
Yeah so they're rich. So what?
The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology.
You have more money than Jeremy Corbyn?
He's the richest Marxist I've ever come across.
Why do people on here who come across opinions different to their own assume the other person is wound up?
I take the yapping poodle next door more seriously than you lot. I just find it very amusing to see Dunning Kruger in action.
Waffle all you like boy you're still jealous of wealth. As for Corbyn being rich, exactly. A lefty hypocrite who'd be fine while we all went down the toilet.
"He'd only be a hypocrite if he called himself a Marxist. It's not his fault people like you regurgitate the garbage the Sun and Daily Mail feed you. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?"Ahem “Sonething” | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?"'Something' | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something' "So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph. "Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life | |||
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"So leave the super rich with their billions alone because they've earned it and fund your public services by cutting benefits? Very noble. Perhaps I am a commie bastard after all "You are responsible for your life. Since when was stealing other people's money noble? Name me a public service that works? You could spend half your gdp on the NHS and it would still fail because it's stuffed with bureaucracy. What is it with you and your ilks hatred of wealth? They did nothing to oppress you. If someone starts a company or invents something that sells why shouldn't they be allowed to reap the rewards? They may put the money into a company and create jobs . They may give to charity. They may help friends and family. They may spend it on booze, broads and drugs. But it's none of your business. It's private | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life "You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own. Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about. | |||
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"So leave the super rich with their billions alone because they've earned it and fund your public services by cutting benefits? Very noble. Perhaps I am a commie bastard after all
You are responsible for your life. Since when was stealing other people's money noble?
Name me a public service that works?
You could spend half your gdp on the NHS and it would still fail because it's stuffed with bureaucracy.
What is it with you and your ilks hatred of wealth?
They did nothing to oppress you. If someone starts a company or invents something that sells why shouldn't they be allowed to reap the rewards? They may put the money into a company and create jobs . They may give to charity. They may help friends and family. They may spend it on booze, broads and drugs. But it's none of your business. It's private "I'm a die hard capitalist. I'm am the director of my own company and do very well for myself. But if you don't know the system is rigged by the rich for the rich then you have your head in the sand. When our politicians are owned by big money then we are in trouble. It's not democracy. It's deep state ownership with the facade of democracy. Our only hope is for us to eventually see that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about."It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours . When you say fair system you mean take other people's money. I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money? It isn't yours. | |||
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"It is a false sense of increase in the economy it is only reacting to the market after events it will return to the normal rate or slightly above or under it." lol funny! You should write horoscopes... | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours .
When you say fair system you mean take other people's money.
I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money?
It isn't yours."So tell me whats the answer then? Some weaithy people like George Soros or Bill gates are true philanthropists and omprove the lives of millions while others like Sir Philip Green and his wife steal their companies pension funds so they can live a life of luxury in a tax haven like Monaco. Obviously he didn't think he had enough money and chose to potentially leave his workers destitute when their pension fund was emptied. Is that ok with you? After all he spent a lifetime building up his business empire so why shouldnt he have it all? See the fatal flaw in your argument? | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours .
When you say fair system you mean take other people's money.
I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money?
It isn't yours."Where have I said that I want to take other people's money? Are you calling me a thief? Where does this characterisation of me come from? Based on your knowledge of me as a person? Why should the rich not pay their fair share of taxes? Why should the rich continually grow richer with money they can't spend in a lifetime while the poor grow poorer and poorer relying on foodbanks for survival? Why should 31000 people bare the lions share of the tax burden of a nation of 60 million people? | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours .
When you say fair system you mean take other people's money.
I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money?
It isn't yours.
So tell me whats the answer then? Some weaithy people like George Soros or Bill gates are true philanthropists and omprove the lives of millions while others like Sir Philip Green and his wife steal their companies pension funds so they can live a life of luxury in a tax haven like Monaco. Obviously he didn't think he had enough money and chose to potentially leave his workers destitute when their pension fund was emptied. Is that ok with you? After all he spent a lifetime building up his business empire so why shouldnt he have it all? See the fatal flaw in your argument? "A brilliant example is the NRA in America. How many fatal gun shootings are we seeing in the States. Are the philanthropic arms manufacturers lobbying to improve gun control. No. When Florida tried to impose stricter gun control the LRA took them to court. No American president will touch the second amendment. Then you have the Kock brothers. Rich industrialists who paid millions in grants to scientists to say global warming is a myth. The cool aid that most of us are still drinking. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours .
When you say fair system you mean take other people's money.
I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money?
It isn't yours.
So tell me whats the answer then? Some weaithy people like George Soros or Bill gates are true philanthropists and omprove the lives of millions while others like Sir Philip Green and his wife steal their companies pension funds so they can live a life of luxury in a tax haven like Monaco. Obviously he didn't think he had enough money and chose to potentially leave his workers destitute when their pension fund was emptied. Is that ok with you? After all he spent a lifetime building up his business empire so why shouldnt he have it all? See the fatal flaw in your argument? "It's not a flaw. You've proved my point. People who are rich often do great things with THEIR money. Some like Green steal. The few bad ones should be tried in court and if guilty punished but the major are not criminals. You believe that whether they are honest or not the state should take their money from them. I'm saying no. They should be allowed to keep it but if they steal or cheat they should be treated like any other criminal . | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
'Something'
So here's the difference between a typo and not knowing how to spell. The same typo doesn't happen twice in the same paragraph.
Ooooh, spelling police Fortunately it doesn't affect my enjoyment of life
You find people whining amusing. I find the cerebral pygmies on display amusing. Each to their own.
Just because some of us don't pander to the super rich and believe in a fair system doesn't mean we don't enjoy life
My view is more on the lines of Robert Reich. Try watching 'Saving Capitalism' and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
It is not pandering to the rich. No doubt you spit out the word rich with venom. It's letting people keep what they've earned or won. It isn't yours .
When you say fair system you mean take other people's money.
I say again what is fair about you taking someone else's money?
It isn't yours.
So tell me whats the answer then? Some weaithy people like George Soros or Bill gates are true philanthropists and omprove the lives of millions while others like Sir Philip Green and his wife steal their companies pension funds so they can live a life of luxury in a tax haven like Monaco. Obviously he didn't think he had enough money and chose to potentially leave his workers destitute when their pension fund was emptied. Is that ok with you? After all he spent a lifetime building up his business empire so why shouldnt he have it all? See the fatal flaw in your argument?
It's not a flaw. You've proved my point. People who are rich often do great things with THEIR money.
Some like Green steal. The few bad ones should be tried in court and if guilty punished but the major are not criminals. You believe that whether they are honest or not the state should take their money from them.
I'm saying no. They should be allowed to keep it but if they steal or cheat they should be treated like any other criminal ."You don't think buying off politicians and getting them to change laws in their favour is cheating or stealing? | |||
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""Some people are so poor all they have is money" - Bob Marley Yep...... I remember that when i went to his house. I am very poor though. Only paid £1k income tax last year Why are you poor?" Do you know how much it costs to run a supercar???. And I nearly cried last week when I looked at the wine list in Le Cinq. I do expect VFM but the mark up on wine is getting out of hand. It’s a pity some 3 stars aren’t BYO isn’t it. | |||
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""Some people are so poor all they have is money" - Bob Marley Yep...... I remember that when i went to his house. I am very poor though. Only paid £1k income tax last year Why are you poor? Do you know how much it costs to run a supercar???. And I nearly cried last week when I looked at the wine list in Le Cinq. I do expect VFM but the mark up on wine is getting out of hand. It’s a pity some 3 stars aren’t BYO isn’t it." Let's define super rich shall we? If you own a few million you are not super rich. If you own in excess of several Billion you are super rich. I'm talking a combined net worth of trillions. They are not people you will ever meet unless you hang out in Monte Carlo. They are the one and only reason why there is poverty in a country that is so rich. They are the driving force behind child poverty, zero hours contracts etc etc etc. Just about every evil in a society where the average man should be well off. How did they get there? We put them there. Why do they stay there? Because we read the rags that they own and believe the obviously fake news like it was gospel. As if the billionares who own those newspapers aren't threatened at all by Corbyn. You will have to excuse me finding the irony of the the poor (because by comparison we are all dirt poor) staunchly defending the super rich. It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying "I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny. "Well as long as you’re happy | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny. "Do you know who Joni Ernst is? A female Republican who is holding up the violence against women act in America. A large percentage of women in America who are killed by gun violence are shot by their spouses. They are trying to stop this gun violence but they can't because the NRA has every Republican bought and paid for. Its big money vs innocent people being gunned down. Big money is winning. Is that good? | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. " People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. | |||
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"If only gun culture in the states was that simple ... it’s not about money vs the innocent at all it’s something that runs much deeper in the dna of the people over there. But it’s always easy to blame the rich for everything.. hey ho .. " The total lack of gun control is totally about the NRA, lobbyists and huge financial contributions made directly to politicians. It's all about money. Nothing else. Do you think the founding fathers had school massacres in mind when they wrote the second amendment? | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more." No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. | |||
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"If only gun culture in the states was that simple ... it’s not about money vs the innocent at all it’s something that runs much deeper in the dna of the people over there. But it’s always easy to blame the rich for everything.. hey ho .. The total lack of gun control is totally about the NRA, lobbyists and huge financial contributions made directly to politicians. It's all about money. Nothing else. Do you think the founding fathers had school massacres in mind when they wrote the second amendment?" That last statement shows you don't understand the second amendment at all. | |||
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"If only gun culture in the states was that simple ... it’s not about money vs the innocent at all it’s something that runs much deeper in the dna of the people over there. But it’s always easy to blame the rich for everything.. hey ho .. The total lack of gun control is totally about the NRA, lobbyists and huge financial contributions made directly to politicians. It's all about money. Nothing else. Do you think the founding fathers had school massacres in mind when they wrote the second amendment? That last statement shows you don't understand the second amendment at all." Well that's a solid argument. Make a patronising statement that belittles me and back it up with what? Nothing? Oh well I'm convinced now. Try again. Why do you think that? | |||
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"Hey the founding fathers just wanted everyone to get their pair of bear arms ! Believe me I’m all for gun control I have to deal with the lack of control in many places on a monthly basis. But I can also see first had how it’s far deeper than simply some people getting paid off stopping this. " I challenge you to watch this from beginning to end. https://youtu.be/X5FdE6k8UaQ | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. " There are a lot of people who have tried to make their own luck in life. They have taken the risk of leaving steady employment and started their own small business. That's how a lot of large businesses start as small businesses whose founders ploughed money back into their enterprises to make them grow. People don't leave their job one day and own a corporation the next. Yet here we are with IR35 legislation on 6 April this year forcing some of those same people just described above back into the workplace. Please don't say they are catching tax dodgers. Just this past week GSK forced ALL of their contractors into PAYE jobs whether they fell into IR35 or not. If some 'self employed' freelancers are are tax dodgers by all means go after them. But ownlawing small businesses is cutting off the rungs below you on the ladder. Then you have the dividend tax brackets who have a 25% step change for those earning roughly 45k to 50k but a less than 6% step to 150k and up. And NO higher bracket for more than 150k! How can this be anything other than a system skewed towards the super rich at the expense of the higher income earner? | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. There are a lot of people who have tried to make their own luck in life. They have taken the risk of leaving steady employment and started their own small business. That's how a lot of large businesses start as small businesses whose founders ploughed money back into their enterprises to make them grow. People don't leave their job one day and own a corporation the next. Yet here we are with IR35 legislation on 6 April this year forcing some of those same people just described above back into the workplace. Please don't say they are catching tax dodgers. Just this past week GSK forced ALL of their contractors into PAYE jobs whether they fell into IR35 or not. If some 'self employed' freelancers are are tax dodgers by all means go after them. But ownlawing small businesses is cutting off the rungs below you on the ladder. Then you have the dividend tax brackets who have a 25% step change for those earning roughly 45k to 50k but a less than 6% step to 150k and up. And NO higher bracket for more than 150k! How can this be anything other than a system skewed towards the super rich at the expense of the higher income earner?" You have a point there. But the sad fact is that there aren't enough super rich people to fund the treasury. There aren't even enough earners over 100k to fund the treasury. That's what was wrong with labour's view. Most tax revenue comes from the middle earner through sheer numbers. It irritates me just as much as you, believe me. | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. There are a lot of people who have tried to make their own luck in life. They have taken the risk of leaving steady employment and started their own small business. That's how a lot of large businesses start as small businesses whose founders ploughed money back into their enterprises to make them grow. People don't leave their job one day and own a corporation the next. Yet here we are with IR35 legislation on 6 April this year forcing some of those same people just described above back into the workplace. Please don't say they are catching tax dodgers. Just this past week GSK forced ALL of their contractors into PAYE jobs whether they fell into IR35 or not. If some 'self employed' freelancers are are tax dodgers by all means go after them. But ownlawing small businesses is cutting off the rungs below you on the ladder. Then you have the dividend tax brackets who have a 25% step change for those earning roughly 45k to 50k but a less than 6% step to 150k and up. And NO higher bracket for more than 150k! How can this be anything other than a system skewed towards the super rich at the expense of the higher income earner? You have a point there. But the sad fact is that there aren't enough super rich people to fund the treasury. There aren't even enough earners over 100k to fund the treasury. That's what was wrong with labour's view. Most tax revenue comes from the middle earner through sheer numbers. It irritates me just as much as you, believe me. " I have posted an article that does the math on this. And you'd be surprised. If the super rich paid their fair share in tax we wouldn't have austerity. I don't see a person earning 100k as super rich or even rich. I'm talking about trillions. Do you know if you divided the wealth of the super rich amongst the people of great Britain, no one would have to work again. I'm not suggesting that happen. However, just simply closing the 'non-dom' loophole would generate enough taxes to generate billions in public funding. Just as an example. This is something that Corbyn should have brought up against Andrew Neil, but obviously wasn't prepared for the viscous onslaught in the so called 'interview'. | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. There are a lot of people who have tried to make their own luck in life. They have taken the risk of leaving steady employment and started their own small business. That's how a lot of large businesses start as small businesses whose founders ploughed money back into their enterprises to make them grow. People don't leave their job one day and own a corporation the next. Yet here we are with IR35 legislation on 6 April this year forcing some of those same people just described above back into the workplace. Please don't say they are catching tax dodgers. Just this past week GSK forced ALL of their contractors into PAYE jobs whether they fell into IR35 or not. If some 'self employed' freelancers are are tax dodgers by all means go after them. But ownlawing small businesses is cutting off the rungs below you on the ladder. Then you have the dividend tax brackets who have a 25% step change for those earning roughly 45k to 50k but a less than 6% step to 150k and up. And NO higher bracket for more than 150k! How can this be anything other than a system skewed towards the super rich at the expense of the higher income earner? You have a point there. But the sad fact is that there aren't enough super rich people to fund the treasury. There aren't even enough earners over 100k to fund the treasury. That's what was wrong with labour's view. Most tax revenue comes from the middle earner through sheer numbers. It irritates me just as much as you, believe me. I have posted an article that does the math on this. And you'd be surprised. If the super rich paid their fair share in tax we wouldn't have austerity. I don't see a person earning 100k as super rich or even rich. I'm talking about trillions. Do you know if you divided the wealth of the super rich amongst the people of great Britain, no one would have to work again. I'm not suggesting that happen. However, just simply closing the 'non-dom' loophole would generate enough taxes to generate billions in public funding. Just as an example. This is something that Corbyn should have brought up against Andrew Neil, but obviously wasn't prepared for the viscous onslaught in the so called 'interview'." I never said that 100k income was rich. Merely comfortable. I was just responding to your point about tax thresholds. I don't disagree with your point but if you will forgive me, I feel its wishful thinking. Human nature being what is is, people will avoid some government taking their wealth. During the seventies when Labour introduced their 90 percent tax, rich people left the country in droves. If I had a billion pounds I would certainly leave myself. I'm not altruistic enough. I agree the taxation system could be better balanced. I personally believe that non residents should be barred from owning property and that there should be restrictions on how many properties can be owned by a single person to help deflate the housing bubble. I guess the problem is that rubbing a country with lots of conflicting interests is very hard. Its alright for us to pontificate about what should happen but every silver lining has its own cloud. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran"  what’s he saying??? Anyone? | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone? "Who knows? I get a headache trying to read that sort of stuff. If people can't be bothered to construct a sentence, why should I bother with what they say? | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
Who knows? I get a headache trying to read that sort of stuff. If people can't be bothered to construct a sentence, why should I bother with what they say?"I think the poster is saying that so long as people don't break the law, what they do with their money is their business and that we aren't in a position to judge morality.. But I could be wrong - it was kinda hard to decipher. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone? "i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here | |||
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"I doubt very much that corbyn or his friends would deny themselves extra money. They aren't the poor, twig eating flat cap wearing socialist that they would pretend to be.they are motivated by greed and self interest just like everybody else. I don't personally defend the super rich. But at the same time, many of these people got there through their own hard work and innovation. If they provide jobs, try and do the right thing, and fund charitable causes I see nothing wrong with them existing. If I don't like it, I can always personally work harder and try and become richer. Except. It's not actually important. So I don't care to work harder. I have enough money and don't need more of it. What's more important is to be happy and to have lived a good life. And you can do that in almost any income bracket. There is always going to be someone with more or less money than you. The focus in money is misguided. Money isnt actually that important. There's not a single man alive that in his death bed said that he wished he had a bigger house. The actual real regrets of people at the end of their life are things like 'I wish a laughed more" and "I wish I hadn't worked so hard" and "I wish I had lived the life I wanted not the life people expected".. People don't get rich from working hard. Do you think a trench digger works any less than George Soros? These people you call super rich are the same people the super rich refer to as poor. Yes there are a lot of people on their death beds who wish they had lived more, laughed more, except they were working two jobs because they needed to work two jobs to get by because they didn't get paid a fair wage. Not because their super rich employers couldn't afford to pay them better, but because those super rich with billions, literally billions in bank, want more. No. The founder of amazon, Facebook,Google, Microsoft and apple would not be referred to as poor by the mysterious super rich. Neither would Lord sugar who started off with a single van. It is true that human greed appears everywhere but to place all the ills of the world at the feet of the super rich is just plain nonsense. You make your own luck in this life. There are a lot of people who have tried to make their own luck in life. They have taken the risk of leaving steady employment and started their own small business. That's how a lot of large businesses start as small businesses whose founders ploughed money back into their enterprises to make them grow. People don't leave their job one day and own a corporation the next. Yet here we are with IR35 legislation on 6 April this year forcing some of those same people just described above back into the workplace. Please don't say they are catching tax dodgers. Just this past week GSK forced ALL of their contractors into PAYE jobs whether they fell into IR35 or not. If some 'self employed' freelancers are are tax dodgers by all means go after them. But ownlawing small businesses is cutting off the rungs below you on the ladder. Then you have the dividend tax brackets who have a 25% step change for those earning roughly 45k to 50k but a less than 6% step to 150k and up. And NO higher bracket for more than 150k! How can this be anything other than a system skewed towards the super rich at the expense of the higher income earner? You have a point there. But the sad fact is that there aren't enough super rich people to fund the treasury. There aren't even enough earners over 100k to fund the treasury. That's what was wrong with labour's view. Most tax revenue comes from the middle earner through sheer numbers. It irritates me just as much as you, believe me. I have posted an article that does the math on this. And you'd be surprised. If the super rich paid their fair share in tax we wouldn't have austerity. I don't see a person earning 100k as super rich or even rich. I'm talking about trillions. Do you know if you divided the wealth of the super rich amongst the people of great Britain, no one would have to work again. I'm not suggesting that happen. However, just simply closing the 'non-dom' loophole would generate enough taxes to generate billions in public funding. Just as an example. This is something that Corbyn should have brought up against Andrew Neil, but obviously wasn't prepared for the viscous onslaught in the so called 'interview'. I never said that 100k income was rich. Merely comfortable. I was just responding to your point about tax thresholds. I don't disagree with your point but if you will forgive me, I feel its wishful thinking. Human nature being what is is, people will avoid some government taking their wealth. During the seventies when Labour introduced their 90 percent tax, rich people left the country in droves. If I had a billion pounds I would certainly leave myself. I'm not altruistic enough. I agree the taxation system could be better balanced. I personally believe that non residents should be barred from owning property and that there should be restrictions on how many properties can be owned by a single person to help deflate the housing bubble. I guess the problem is that rubbing a country with lots of conflicting interests is very hard. Its alright for us to pontificate about what should happen but every silver lining has its own cloud." Thanks for making a really good point and backing it up with a solid argument. It makes a refreshing change from being told I'm stupid as a couter argument. This is great.
Yes I agree with you wholeheartedly. In fact I'll go further and say if you started closing some loopholes, they would make new ones.
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
Who knows? I get a headache trying to read that sort of stuff. If people can't be bothered to construct a sentence, why should I bother with what they say?
I think the poster is saying that so long as people don't break the law, what they do with their money is their business and that we aren't in a position to judge morality.. But I could be wrong - it was kinda hard to decipher. "Thanks for deciphering. If you can't translate my reply into gobbeldygook then please reply to our poster that these people do not have to break the law because they own the politicians who make the laws that favour them. This is not my wild conspiracy theory it's general consensus. I shall provide you with a very simple example. There are villages in Wales where the residents are complaining about business owners driving up house prices. Why is that? Because they buy a cheap house in Wales, never live in it, but live in an expensive apartment in London which is their 'office' but is a tax write off. They haven't broken any laws so they are (according to your theory) doing nothing wrong. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here "My point was that its too easy for the rich with their creative accounting practices to run rings around the people who have spent years working for their companies and there is nothing to stop them emptying the coffers and running these business into the ground because the tax regime makes it more profitable to do so. Philip Green only held his hand up and then dipped it in his pocket because he was publicly vilified and threatened with losing his peerage. I doubt very much that he felt the shame of what he had done. Was he breaking the law or just sailing close to it? Its not about hating, its about fairness and honesty. The tax system is fucked, and failed attempts to restructure it like IR35 are just chipping away at the middle ground without tackling the destabilising effects of the widening inequality of peoples incomes. | |||
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"All the above is true. If I lived in the dales or in Wales I would be very upset if my community was taken over by holiday homes. That's why I do happen to feel that there shoukd be so control over the uk property market to stop people using it as a vehicle for investment. One way might be to mandate that you may only buy a property to actually live in, and limit corporate ownership. Yes there are lots of ways that you can be creative once you have plenty of money. The more you have, the easier it becomes. Don't you feel though that the real issue isn't really the fault of politics or politicians but rather the built in greed, dishonesty and selfishness of the human animal? In other words - we can scarcely have the perfect world when it's filled with imperfect people... " I think one of man's strongest instincts is one of survival. Our need to horde when we already have enough is built in. I grew up friends with a wealthy family and attended a private school. In my class were the children of wealthy individuals and I am not exaggerating one day the headmistress of the school commented that they could not get the richest kids parents to pay for the cake raffle tickets he had bought. I remember the day the same kid's school case fell apart and we fell about laughing because his dad owned the factory it was made in. Bottom line the second richest man in the world still feels he needs more money. I feel no malice to those who corrupt politicians any more than a scorpion who stings the turtle. It's what they do. I feel sorry for the brainwashed who vote for those corrupt politicians. I feel bad that the truth has to compete with fake news. I feel bad that those same rich industrialists have bought scientists to provide false data that is being used for climate change denial. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here "If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters. I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over. Such a horrible quality in my opinion. In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows. The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today. But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally) Scarlett. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny.
Do you know who Joni Ernst is? A female Republican who is holding up the violence against women act in America. A large percentage of women in America who are killed by gun violence are shot by their spouses. They are trying to stop this gun violence but they can't because the NRA has every Republican bought and paid for. Its big money vs innocent people being gunned down. Big money is winning. Is that good?"Were they shot with hand guns or rifles? I'd bet hand guns. NRA is the national rifle association. They have a right to bear arms,it's in the constitution. Taking away guns now would simply empower criminals. "I don't want to die for the want of the ability to fight back". You will never outlaw guns in the USA . thanks Think of this. You seem to be fine having a go at the USA but what about this? On a bridge in London last month a convicted terrorist killed two people as he was released early. At the same time a convicted killer fought with this same terrorist on the same bridge at the same time. It would never have happened in the USA because both would have been incarcerated in a cell 10 by 8 in a jail miles from innocent people. London, one if the most dangerous cities in the world. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats there call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett. "You've made an excellent point. There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies. There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes. It's shameful. It's sad. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
I'll not be paying as much tax as I might have been under a government that would have increased public spending.
That's not necessarily a good thing."Yeah grasp onto your riches whilst people and public services are destroyed. The top 5% would only have paid £250pa extra in tax. About £20 a month - for people raking in about £5750 a month. Greedy fucking bastards. Careful not to trip over the homeless on your way to that swanky restaurant. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad."That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job? When it came down to it, I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster. I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people.. To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions. "The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed. Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour."What do you predict will happen in the next five years? | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour."I don't know if the fascism and indisguised racism apparent in your comment could be described as evolution. But fair play. At least you're an honest fascist and not one hiding behind the 'economic advantages' of Brexit. The great part about these forums is some people filter themselves. | |||
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" The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed. Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour. I don't know if the fascism and indisguised racism apparent in your comment could be described as evolution. But fair play. At least you're an honest fascist and not one hiding behind the 'economic advantages' of Brexit. The great part about these forums is some people filter themselves. "Thank you to the poster above. I'm glad I'm not the only person who found @_agermeister remark (also above) a bit strange. Just FYI jaegermeister: My wife (or foreign female as you would have it) is British, No we don't worry about being abused by yobs in the streets, and frankly, you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. I can't imagine thag your vision of the changes of the nevt 5 years is shared by a great many people. | |||
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny.
Do you know who Joni Ernst is? A female Republican who is holding up the violence against women act in America. A large percentage of women in America who are killed by gun violence are shot by their spouses. They are trying to stop this gun violence but they can't because the NRA has every Republican bought and paid for. Its big money vs innocent people being gunned down. Big money is winning. Is that good?
Were they shot with hand guns or rifles?
I'd bet hand guns. NRA is the national rifle association.
They have a right to bear arms,it's in the constitution.
Taking away guns now would simply empower criminals.
"I don't want to die for the want of the ability to fight back".
You will never outlaw guns in the USA . thanks
Think of this. You seem to be fine having a go at the USA but what about this? On a bridge in London last month a convicted terrorist killed two people as he was released early. At the same time a convicted killer fought with this same terrorist on the same bridge at the same time. It would never have happened in the USA because both would have been incarcerated in a cell 10 by 8 in a jail miles from innocent people. London, one if the most dangerous cities in the world."Well in your first point thank you for reminding us what NRA stands for. But you might want to do some reading up on that one. On the point of the second amendment mantra. The tower attack actually highlights that there were two knife wound fatalities compared to much higher compable fatalities in the states where the perpetrator was armed with a firearm. If this has been a gun incident, taking him down with a fire extinguisher and narwhal tusk would have resulted in two more fatalities. And lastly gun control does not mean taking everyones firearms. It involves trying to make sure that firearms don't end up in the wrong hands. | |||
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" The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed. Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour. I don't know if the fascism and indisguised racism apparent in your comment could be described as evolution. But fair play. At least you're an honest fascist and not one hiding behind the 'economic advantages' of Brexit. The great part about these forums is some people filter themselves.
Thank you to the poster above. I'm glad I'm not the only person who found @_agermeister remark (also above) a bit strange.
Just FYI jaegermeister:
My wife (or foreign female as you would have it) is British, No we don't worry about being abused by yobs in the streets, and frankly, you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. I can't imagine thag your vision of the changes of the nevt 5 years is shared by a great many people."I didn't find it strange. I found it vile, repulsive, disgusting and embarrassing. Some people need a time machine so they can go back to 1939. Fortunately they are in a minority and don't often raise their heads and get shouted down when they do. I recently had one such person who told me to 'go back to my own country' which is also the UK. He then took the unwise path of physical violence which did not end well for him. This is not something I had experienced before the run up to these elections. | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour."Well I am British. Was born in Plymouth to an English woman and Northen Irish man. Plymouth is a massive naval port. But my ancestors came from France and Bangladesh ( I kid you not!) Can’t class myself as a true Brit really  | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions. " loonie. Such a derogatory comment. Being used far too easily and freely....
100% agree with your last paragraph though.
Those people will have to just get on with it then. Can’t moan about it if you’re not prepared make steps towards change.
Seems it’s easier to chastise someone than actually think, you know what, we have the power here to change things. Because we do. But it’s all too scary. And I can understand that but for how long?
Let’s see how the next 5 yrs go.
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
loonie. Such a derogatory comment. Being used far too easily and freely....
100% agree with your last paragraph though.
Those people will have to just get on with it then. Can’t moan about it if you’re not prepared make steps towards change.
Seems it’s easier to chastise someone than actually think, you know what, we have the power here to change things. Because we do. But it’s all too scary. And I can understand that but for how long?
Let’s see how the next 5 yrs go.
Give Boris a chance to actually do his job "Well I watched an interview where Boris declared that he was passionately against terrorism. That he was trying to change the laws but Jeremy Corbyn stopped him, interrupting him with this Brexit nonsense. And the first thing he was going to do when he got elected was to change early release laws. Yet one of his first acts has been to tear up the Fixed-term Parliaments Act? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1217176/brexit-news-boris-johnson-majority-general-election-david-cameron-queen-speech-spt | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour.
Well I am British. Was born in Plymouth to an English woman and Northen Irish man. Plymouth is a massive naval port.
But my ancestors came from France and Bangladesh ( I kid you not!)
Can’t class myself as a true Brit really
"If that's true none of us are Brits https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry "People living in southern and central England today typically share about 40% of their DNA with the French, 11% with the Danes and 9% with the Belgians, the study of more than 2,000 people found" | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour.
Well I am British. Was born in Plymouth to an English woman and Northen Irish man. Plymouth is a massive naval port.
But my ancestors came from France and Bangladesh ( I kid you not!)
Can’t class myself as a true Brit really
If that's true none of us are Brits
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
"People living in southern and central England today typically share about 40% of their DNA with the French, 11% with the Danes and 9% with the Belgians, the study of more than 2,000 people found""I’m part of that 11% then. None of us are true anything, really. Except for being human | |||
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"its there own concience if gates and sorros wana help thats t3here call if the likes of green and others wana be greedy cunts so be it.if they have broken the law nick em if not they can carry on being cunts good morals nah not really but thats there personal choice.we dont have morality poluce thats for places like iran what’s he saying??? Anyone?
i was replying to someone who was saying about gates and sorros being good billionaires and the likes of green being cunts.just pointing out yea its not moraly right but if they broken no laws they can do as they plz its there concience or do you think bad morals should be against the law? so bitter ya man lost.are we know gona have five years of the election was fixed seems as it looks like bozo can force through what he likes.just think if labour had of tried to appeal to everyone i.stead of just there fanclub they may have done better.i didnt vote so im just sitting here laughing same as i would of been if the torys had got such a good hiding.feel the hate its strong in here
If Labour had won then there would of been bitter Tory supporters.
I find it quite sad that people are scoffing at others who are genuinely upset by the outcome. It’s like a child laughing at another child for falling over.
Such a horrible quality in my opinion.
In all fairness I’m seeing more labour haters or Jeremy Corbyn haters on the forums than labour supporters crying into their pillows.
The spitefulness that is present is truly a great representation of this Country, as it is today.
But no. Deny it. And live in your bubble ( that’s aimed at anyone, not you personally)
Scarlett.
You've made an excellent point.
There are people out there on the breadline whose only hope (rightly or wrongly) was Jeremy Corbyn. To laugh in their faces while they see their futures crushed, is just cruel. These are your fellow Britons but you treat them like sworn enemies.
There is more compassion on here for Billionaires than there is for people who don't know where to get money for their children's clothes.
It's shameful. It's sad.
That's a good point. I surely have more personal compassion for the needy than the billionaire. I personally believe in a fairer society. But there has to be some inequality otherwise there's no motivation to excel. Why should a man study for a decade and then work in a high stress job but only receive much the same reward as someone who works an easy undemanding job?
When it came down to it,
I just couldn't bring myself to support the loony left embodied in Corbyn. I didn't like the man and I thought the manifesto was an economic disaster.
I truly wish thst Labour had just gone a bit less nuts this time and come up with a manifesto that was more acceptable to more people..
To enact change, evolutionary change is needed. People don't like radical revolutions.
The female of your profile looks kinda 'foreign'. Good luck with that and the New Nationalism that is about to be unleashed.
Rapid evolution is on its way. But not in your favour.
Well I am British. Was born in Plymouth to an English woman and Northen Irish man. Plymouth is a massive naval port.
But my ancestors came from France and Bangladesh ( I kid you not!)
Can’t class myself as a true Brit really
If that's true none of us are Brits
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
"People living in southern and central England today typically share about 40% of their DNA with the French, 11% with the Danes and 9% with the Belgians, the study of more than 2,000 people found"
I’m part of that 11% then.
None of us are true anything, really.
Except for being human "I have Duyputrens (Vikings Claw) from my Nordic ancestry. I think of myself as a hybrid rather than a mongrel  | |||
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"Yet one of his first acts has been to tear up the Fixed-term Parliaments Act? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1217176/brexit-news-boris-johnson-majority-general-election-david-cameron-queen-speech-spt" I don't think that's a bad idea. Constitutional experts point to the fixed term parliament act as being a bad idea because it potentially could lead to exactly the deadlock situation that we saw recently. I don't see why any government wanting an early election should require the consent of Parliament to do it.i see the point of the fixed term act but it was poorly drafted. | |||
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"Thought this shite thread would of died off by now. Ho hum, on with my joyous life "It was then the neo nazis came around and breathed life into it
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"Yet one of his first acts has been to tear up the Fixed-term Parliaments Act? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1217176/brexit-news-boris-johnson-majority-general-election-david-cameron-queen-speech-spt I don't think that's a bad idea. Constitutional experts point to the fixed term parliament act as being a bad idea because it potentially could lead to exactly the deadlock situation that we saw recently. I don't see why any government wanting an early election should require the consent of Parliament to do it.i see the point of the fixed term act but it was poorly drafted. " He still put it ahead of his promise to fight terrorism. | |||
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"Yet one of his first acts has been to tear up the Fixed-term Parliaments Act? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1217176/brexit-news-boris-johnson-majority-general-election-david-cameron-queen-speech-spt I don't think that's a bad idea. Constitutional experts point to the fixed term parliament act as being a bad idea because it potentially could lead to exactly the deadlock situation that we saw recently. I don't see why any government wanting an early election should require the consent of Parliament to do it.i see the point of the fixed term act but it was poorly drafted. He still put it ahead of his promise to fight terrorism. " I'm not prepared to make that judgment just yet. We haven't seen the queen's speech and we haven't seen any legislation passed or even debated. Just a rumour. Probably best to wait and see before making that sort of conclusion wouldn't you agree? | |||
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"Yet one of his first acts has been to tear up the Fixed-term Parliaments Act? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1217176/brexit-news-boris-johnson-majority-general-election-david-cameron-queen-speech-spt I don't think that's a bad idea. Constitutional experts point to the fixed term parliament act as being a bad idea because it potentially could lead to exactly the deadlock situation that we saw recently. I don't see why any government wanting an early election should require the consent of Parliament to do it.i see the point of the fixed term act but it was poorly drafted. He still put it ahead of his promise to fight terrorism. I'm not prepared to make that judgment just yet. We haven't seen the queen's speech and we haven't seen any legislation passed or even debated. Just a rumour. Probably best to wait and see before making that sort of conclusion wouldn't you agree? " Oh don't worry I am watching. He has let slip that the £12000 NI threshold will actually be £9500 and EVENTUALLY one day.... far in the future be £12000. Afterall he never said WHEN he would do them. A bit like Donald Trump with his wall. Didn't start building it until the run up to his next election. | |||
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" A bit like Donald Trump with his wall. Didn't start building it until the run up to his next election. " Think that politicians of all parties are inclined to say whatever they must to be elected and stay elected. I often think that in truth, democracy, communism, dictatorship have a lot in common. They are all tools for a small group of elites to grab money, power and influence and keep the masses under control. | |||
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" A bit like Donald Trump with his wall. Didn't start building it until the run up to his next election. Think that politicians of all parties are inclined to say whatever they must to be elected and stay elected. I often think that in truth, democracy, communism, dictatorship have a lot in common. They are all tools for a small group of elites to grab money, power and influence and keep the masses under control. " Absolutely. Most of our leaders are just polularist figure heads and get told what to do by their financial backers. I don't think this was the case with the Kennedys and that's why they 'changed the vote the old fashioned way'. These days anyone who threatens the profits of big money go through character assassination rather than Kennedy style shootings. The public have shown an easy maleability when it comes to propaganda. People want to believe the worst so they just lap it up. Fake news is nothing new. Technology has just helped it along. | |||
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"Thought this shite thread would of died off by now. Ho hum, on with my joyous life "What with your copious amounts of fab meets
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"This is the core of the toxicity of the left ... the green eyed monster .. Well youll be alright over in Miami because nobody wants your money over there do they....oh but then again there are a lot of guns about and quite a lot of hungry people....just saying
I don’t need to go there any more the best side won over here. I don’t need to go to Miami for guns either I’ve got plenty overs here ... just with better safety and scrutiny.
Do you know who Joni Ernst is? A female Republican who is holding up the violence against women act in America. A large percentage of women in America who are killed by gun violence are shot by their spouses. They are trying to stop this gun violence but they can't because the NRA has every Republican bought and paid for. Its big money vs innocent people being gunned down. Big money is winning. Is that good?
Were they shot with hand guns or rifles?
I'd bet hand guns. NRA is the national rifle association.
They have a right to bear arms,it's in the constitution.
Taking away guns now would simply empower criminals.
"I don't want to die for the want of the ability to fight back".
You will never outlaw guns in the USA . thanks
Think of this. You seem to be fine having a go at the USA but what about this? On a bridge in London last month a convicted terrorist killed two people as he was released early. At the same time a convicted killer fought with this same terrorist on the same bridge at the same time. It would never have happened in the USA because both would have been incarcerated in a cell 10 by 8 in a jail miles from innocent people. London, one if the most dangerous cities in the world."https://youtu.be/TtfljFP7p2w Houston's police chief Art Acevedo criticised politicians for not standing up to the National Rifle Association after the the fatal shooting of an officer. 'The NRA doesn't like the fact that we want to take firearms out of the hands of boyfriends that abuse their girlfriends. And who killed our sergeant? A boyfriend abusing his girlfriend,' Acevedo said Two HANDGUNS.... not rifles. HANDGUNS. NRA to blame says a police chief who clearly shares my ignorance. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. " I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se. I'm opposed to the lack of gun legislation. I'm opposed to the NRA making huge contributions to politicians to oppose gun control legislation. Yes it's great to have a gun in your house when there's an armed burglar in your house. Do you need a fully automatic machine gun with boxes of ammo? Probably not. How many firearms do you need to defend your home? Should people with mental illness be sold firearms? Etc etc | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. " the minute this country stops being so “ nannyish” about guns, will be a goodbye from me.
Not that anyone would care but 
Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually.
This is what we have to content with.
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se. I'm opposed to the lack of gun legislation. I'm opposed to the NRA making huge contributions to politicians to oppose gun control legislation. Yes it's great to have a gun in your house when there's an armed burglar in your house. Do you need a fully automatic machine gun with boxes of ammo? Probably not. How many firearms do you need to defend your home? Should people with mental illness be sold firearms? Etc etc " Honestly. Right now, I need a tight hug! To stop me from rocking back n forth like I’m having a breakdown. Thought with evolution people were becoming more clever? I don’t even think chimpanzees would come out with such nonsense | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. " You can shoot burglars and poke holes in them if you do wish. Just has to be done in self defence not in the back while they are running away. The sensible shake up in self defence laws is a good thing. I don’t see the need to have military grade firearms or handguns in civilian hands. And that’s coming from someone who would buy them if he they were able to. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. " We are doing alright without the need to implement a U.S style gun legislation. I don't need a gun to protect my home from a burglar and if I was unlucky enough to have to confront one in my home, I'd rather do it in the knowledge that neither of us are going to be shot. Most burglars nick your stuff when you're out, they don't like confrontation. Our police do just fine with our nannyish ways, we have specialist firearms units who do a wonderful job, as seen recently, and gun carrying police in necessary places. We don't need to shoot d*unken 'mongs' as you put it, we have intelligent policing and a fantastic criminal justice system. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. We are doing alright without the need to implement a U.S style gun legislation. I don't need a gun to protect my home from a burglar and if I was unlucky enough to have to confront one in my home, I'd rather do it in the knowledge that neither of us are going to be shot. Most burglars nick your stuff when you're out, they don't like confrontation. Our police do just fine with our nannyish ways, we have specialist firearms units who do a wonderful job, as seen recently, and gun carrying police in necessary places. We don't need to shoot d*unken 'mongs' as you put it, we have intelligent policing and a fantastic criminal justice system. " Boom! | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you like like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?"If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you look like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you like like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you look like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol "Ah we’re wayyyyy past that! It’s all about guns, now
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se. I'm opposed to the lack of gun legislation. I'm opposed to the NRA making huge contributions to politicians to oppose gun control legislation. Yes it's great to have a gun in your house when there's an armed burglar in your house. Do you need a fully automatic machine gun with boxes of ammo? Probably not. How many firearms do you need to defend your home? Should people with mental illness be sold firearms? Etc etc " Absolutely. But to be fair there are only a couple of states where you are allowed machine guns and even semi automatic rifles are banned in many states. I would tend to agree though. You don't need military grade weapons and gun control to stop them falling into the hands of crazies is totally sensible. I would even suggest that handguns aren't great becayse they are easily concealed whereas a shotgun is just fine for home defense. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. We are doing alright without the need to implement a U.S style gun legislation. I don't need a gun to protect my home from a burglar and if I was unlucky enough to have to confront one in my home, I'd rather do it in the knowledge that neither of us are going to be shot. Most burglars nick your stuff when you're out, they don't like confrontation. Our police do just fine with our nannyish ways, we have specialist firearms units who do a wonderful job, as seen recently, and gun carrying police in necessary places. We don't need to shoot d*unken 'mongs' as you put it, we have intelligent policing and a fantastic criminal justice system. " A fantastic criminal justice system? Seriously? With knife crime at record high? With vandalism and anti social behavior turning every city centre into a freaking war zone every night? With A&E units in the country swamped with injuries every weekend due to people getting glassed or knived? With literally hundreds of thousands of burglaries in many counties every year? With an epidemic of anti social behavior in the streets and schools? You are frankly out of your mind. The British police do a great job and are very patient and polite. But I have no idea how they do it. They put up with endless abuse and hassle from d*unken mongs every weekend. You surely can not have failed to spot it. You don't sound like you really have a great deal of experience. I would love to hear why you believe the uk has a fantastic criminal justice system when the police and even the courts feel otherwise. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please "What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family? If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language? You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug. "How do you know I’ve never been burgled? Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact. Only brought upon themselves. Fact. I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
"I agree that gun laws in the USA need to be improved. Some control is a good thing to stop concealed weapons on the streets and to stop crazies doing mass shootings. However, your assertion that you would never, ever shoot a loaded gun at someone is naive and shows that you've never actually been in a life threatening situation. I seriously suggest that if you have a gun within reach and you ever have an armed man in front of you about do your family harm that you abandon your principles and use it. However if your principles are too strong then at least you may write something about high mindedness on the tombstones. | |||
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" A fantastic criminal justice system? Seriously? With knife crime at record high? With vandalism and anti social behavior turning every city centre into a freaking war zone every night? With A&E units in the country swamped with injuries every weekend due to people getting glassed or knived? With literally hundreds of thousands of burglaries in many counties every year? With an epidemic of anti social behavior in the streets and schools? You are frankly out of your mind. The British police do a great job and are very patient and polite. But I have no idea how they do it. They put up with endless abuse and hassle from d*unken mongs every weekend. You surely can not have failed to spot it. You don't sound like you really have a great deal of experience. I would love to hear why you believe the uk has a fantastic criminal justice system when the police and even the courts feel otherwise. " You don't have a fucking clue about me or my mind. Or my experience. You sound like you should be writing a Hollywood screenplay with your exaggerated facts. Knife crime is up 4%. Homicide by knife is down 14%. Fraud is up 15%. How many freaking war zones have you seen in the UK? I live in London, work in London, Glasgow, Manchester, Leeds and a few others. Yet to see a 'freaking war zone' . A&E's are pushed to the limit but not by 'freaking war zones'. Every city centre turned into a freaking war zone every night? Quite frankly, it is you who is out of your mind. I'd love you to justify that statement. Too much Sky Movies Action by the sounds of it. Burglaries are down 7%. Your 'literally hundred of thousands in many counties' is utter bollocks. 450,000 across the UK is a bit more accurate. And. It's not a new thing. We've been getting burgled for centuries. Owning a gun won't change it. Criminal Justice System. You clearly don't understand what this is. | |||
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" You don't have a fucking clue about me or my mind. " Actually,I do, since your words speak volumes. Try to express yourself without swearing. Its a dead giveaway. Yeah I mis-remembered the statistics it's not hundreds of thousands but Its still very high. Indeed if we consider violent crime in 2019 in Berkshire for example it was the highest since records began. https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/violent-crime-soars-highest-ever-16187537 Knife crime has also reached an all time high. However, you think the criminal justice system is great. Fair enough. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. I personally would prefer to see criminals punished more severely and I would prefer to see less crime but you are free to prefer the opposite.
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" You don't have a fucking clue about me or my mind. Actually,I do, since your words speak volumes. Try to express yourself without swearing. Its a dead giveaway. Yeah I mis-remembered the statistics it's not hundreds of thousands but Its still very high. Indeed if we consider violent crime in 2019 in Berkshire for example it was the highest since records began. https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/violent-crime-soars-highest-ever-16187537 Knife crime has also reached an all time high. However, you think the criminal justice system is great. Fair enough. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. I personally would prefer to see criminals punished more severely and I would prefer to see less crime but you are free to prefer the opposite.
"These things go in cycles but they are always with us - the present peak in knife crime is directly attributable to 20000 less police officers over the last nine years meaning drugs are far more prolific countrywide, and the closure of youth clubs that helped to mentor children away from gang culture that is pervasive in inner cities. A high proportion of petty burglary is due to drug habits and this is fuelled by overcrowding in prisons which leads to them becoming schools for crime instead of punishment. The instant knee jerk reaction is always that lock em up and throw away the key is the solution but it doesn’t work anywhere. The USA has enormous numbers of criminals locked away, many for minor crimes and there is an argument that some of this is because its easier to do that there then here - anyone might wonder if theres a profit motive involved? | |||
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"When did I say I wanted to see more crime? As I said before, you clearly don't know what the Criminal Justice System is, or does. What do you mean by 'mongs'? " 'clearly'? Interesting. I suggest your clarity is clouded by your own viewpoint rather than any statement of mine. A 'mong' is a term to describe the usual type that can be seen glassing another person in the face and vomiting in the gutter after, the kind of commonplace behaviour found across the uk particularly on Friday and Saturday evenings. The term 'war zone" is not to be taken literally. I note on your profile that you mention you have worked in different locations. So have I. Indeed considerably more than the locations you mention as part of my own tenure in the square mile that you also mention. This means I am quite comfortable in my belief that British towns are amongst the most unpleasant that I have ever encountered on a Saturday night, when fights erupt around you, people vomit in the street and the yobs wander around shouting football songs and smashing things. This is what I mean by 'war zone" and it translates to a massive problem for A&E and the police which deal predominantly with alcohol related violence during those times. It is also not something I ever encounter in dozens of cities all over the planet. Now. I realize that this is actually a separate issue from the gun legislation that was being discussed but it certainly is relevant to law and order and the criminal justice system. I suggest to you that if the system that you so admire was more effective, that there would be fewer repeat offences (when the antisocial behavior leads to an arrest) and less of this type of behavior overall. Likewise, figures show knife crime at a record high for the year 2018-2019 according to the national statistics Office so I am sure that you would agree that this is a problem. Your initial disagreement with me was that guns are not required. I can see the point - and there is an argument to suggest that more guns in circulation equates to more criminals having them. However, even now, there is a lively trade in the criminal underworld modifying antique weapons and making ammunition and its possible to buy production weapons on the black market. Therefore the bad guys have guns anyways. Permitting the police and the homeowner to defend themselves would surely just redress the balance. Since homeowners are allowed to own guns anyways (I own several shotguns) there is unlikely to be an increase in the weapons in circulation (if the legislation was carefully thought out). All that it would mean is that next time I am confronted with an armed intruder, I am able to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive rather than be overly concerned that I might somehow be infringing his civil rights. | |||
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" ... The USA has enormous numbers of criminals locked away, many for minor crimes and there is an argument that some of this is because its easier to do that there then here - anyone might wonder if theres a profit motive involved? " These are all good points and I agree with many of them. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a profit motive since in my experience it creeps into everything. Its also valid to take the USA as an example and claim that locking people up clearly doesn't solve the issue. That's why, although many people will not agree for all sorts of reasons, I personally believe the death penalty to be appropriate treatment for certain sorts of criminals. For example, an unrepentant serial killer of children who admits he is always going to be a danger is not a good candidate for rehabilitation or release. Frankly I feel it would benefit society more to execute such a person and make them a compulsory organ donor to boot, than to expend tax revenue incarcerating then for the remainnder of their life. There will be people of course that argue that executions have no place in a civilized society, but I do feel that this disregards the fact that for a society to be truly civilised, all the people in it must behave in a civilized manner.. | |||
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"This thread defies description for the most pointless and idiotic thread ever. I may of said this elsewhere. Soooooooooo bitter and twisted, learn to relax and enjoy life
Were you around for Brexit year and then Trumps win?
The salt was unreal
If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you like like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol
Yes, I witnessed the endless whining of those too. Quite amusing really
Almost as amusing as a 51 year old man who can't spell 'positive'. Sonething I could do when I was 8. Another intellectual giant I presume?
If you’re going to make comments like that you really need to check them before you post as anything less than perfection in yours makes you look like one of those things we all worship in fab (namely a c##t) but not in a good way lol "I've already addressed that. I make typos I make them all the time. If you can't tell the difference between the inability to spell and a typo I'm not going to explain it to you. My aren't you brave calling me names from behind a keyboard. Wow I'm terrified. But thanks for the advice. I take time to proof read when I think the person I'm addressing is worth the investment. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se. I'm opposed to the lack of gun legislation. I'm opposed to the NRA making huge contributions to politicians to oppose gun control legislation. Yes it's great to have a gun in your house when there's an armed burglar in your house. Do you need a fully automatic machine gun with boxes of ammo? Probably not. How many firearms do you need to defend your home? Should people with mental illness be sold firearms? Etc etc Honestly. Right now, I need a tight hug! To stop me from rocking back n forth like I’m having a breakdown. Thought with evolution people were becoming more clever? I don’t even think chimpanzees would come out with such nonsense "Do you have a counter argument or do you just have such a high opinion of yourself that telling me I'm wrong will suffice? If would like to engage me intellectually then you shall have to raise yourself above mindless naysaying. | |||
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"I've lived in the USA and its a very polarised debate. I used to enjoy the knowledge that I could own a gun and use it. As a result, burglary is very rare because the number one risk is getting shot by the homeowner. I knew people who never even kockrd their door. You also don't get the same vandalism and yobbish behavior. In the minus side there's a heck of a lot more shootings. In many states you can buy guns in Walmart with a drivers license. I always felt that a licensing system would be a good idea to help stop the crazies owning guns but then you run into problems with the constitution and the gun movement has a very powerful lobby in Washington. Its not a problem that's easy to solve. For myself in the UK given a choice, I wish the uk was a bit less nannyish on guns. I personally feel the police should carry guns and take less shit from d*unken mongs and I would also support homeowners shooting burglars no problem. I'm not opposed to gun ownership per se. I'm opposed to the lack of gun legislation. I'm opposed to the NRA making huge contributions to politicians to oppose gun control legislation. Yes it's great to have a gun in your house when there's an armed burglar in your house. Do you need a fully automatic machine gun with boxes of ammo? Probably not. How many firearms do you need to defend your home? Should people with mental illness be sold firearms? Etc etc Honestly. Right now, I need a tight hug! To stop me from rocking back n forth like I’m having a breakdown. Thought with evolution people were becoming more clever? I don’t even think chimpanzees would come out with such nonsense
Do you have a counter argument or do you just have such a high opinion of yourself that telling me I'm wrong will suffice?
If would like to engage me intellectually then you shall have to raise yourself above mindless naysaying."I think we went a bit off topic. Whilst the second amendment is a great debate it's another debate worthy of it's own thread. I only mentioned it because the NRA do not apologise for the death and mayhem and can hardly be called philanthropists. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day ."Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed. "A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
Is that jealousy I smell?
Yeah so they're rich. So what?
The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology.
You have more money than Jeremy Corbyn?
He's the richest Marxist I've ever come across.
Why do people on here who come across opinions different to their own assume the other person is wound up?
I take the yapping poodle next door more seriously than you lot. I just find it very amusing to see Dunning Kruger in action.
Waffle all you like boy you're still jealous of wealth. As for Corbyn being rich, exactly. A lefty hypocrite who'd be fine while we all went down the toilet.
He'd only be a hypocrite if he called himself a Marxist.
It's not his fault people like you regurgitate the garbage the Sun and Daily Mail feed you."He wouldn't. There are elements of Marxism in lots of things. The idea of the state owning anything infrastructure wise stems from Marx. The idea of an NHS is fundamentally Marxist. Marx talked a lot about equality for women.... He would be a hypocrite if he called himself a communist (to an extent). He did neither of those things though. Re: envy. Those that call the left the "politics of envy" don't actually understand what envy means. Envy is wanting what someone else has got, so Envy would be trying to accumulate more wealth for yourself than a billionaire. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend. "That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night. "You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar. I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in. | |||
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"Most of us voted Tory. So are you rich yet? If not you weren't invited to the party... The collective wealth of the UK’s 16 billionaires increased by £2.1bn on Friday, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index, as the share prices of companies they controlled soared. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/super-rich-family-buy-65m-house-to-celebrate-johnsons-victory THAT'S what it's about. If you think it's going to trickle down to us it hasn't, it won't, it never will.
Is that jealousy I smell?
Yeah so they're rich. So what?
The election wasn't about that it was about stopping a Marxist lunatic from destroying our country with his failed ideology.
You have more money than Jeremy Corbyn?
He's the richest Marxist I've ever come across.
Why do people on here who come across opinions different to their own assume the other person is wound up?
I take the yapping poodle next door more seriously than you lot. I just find it very amusing to see Dunning Kruger in action.
Waffle all you like boy you're still jealous of wealth. As for Corbyn being rich, exactly. A lefty hypocrite who'd be fine while we all went down the toilet.
He'd only be a hypocrite if he called himself a Marxist.
It's not his fault people like you regurgitate the garbage the Sun and Daily Mail feed you.
He wouldn't.
There are elements of Marxism in lots of things.
The idea of the state owning anything infrastructure wise stems from Marx.
The idea of an NHS is fundamentally Marxist.
Marx talked a lot about equality for women....
He would be a hypocrite if he called himself a communist (to an extent).
He did neither of those things though.
Re: envy. Those that call the left the "politics of envy" don't actually understand what envy means. Envy is wanting what someone else has got, so Envy would be trying to accumulate more wealth for yourself than a billionaire."Nice posting
I listened to a commentary today which I may commit to memory I thought it was so powerful.
Basically it said that whenever anyone these comes and threatens to upset the apple cart, be it Greta Thunberg, Jeremy Corbyn, anyone who threatens big money.... and they throw the kitchen sink at them, the press turns on them, the fake news starts etc etc. It is up to us as individuals to wake up to what's going and back these people up. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night. "His name is Vleis (meaning meat) Visage. He was lock for the Natal Sharks team in their hey day. Well defense of property is defendable. If people can just walk ip and take everything you have it's just as bad. In South Africa if someone steals your car and you have no way to get to work you are screwed. A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in."My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout."Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe."I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced. I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old. | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies." Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. " So you must have a section 1 FAC then? | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then?" Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? " Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm " Ahh, I never got that involved with mine, just bought standard shot for clay shooting | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm Ahh, I never got that involved with mine, just bought standard shot for clay shooting " I've spent a lot of time around gamekeepers, bigger loads can be useful for foxes at close range (like when they are taking your (or his) chickens). | |||
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"I am very against firearms, dispite being familiar and trained in using them,and really wish there was an international treaty banning their sale to the public. I know it's a sport but I think they bring more evil to this world than good. Unfortunately it's such big money that not even Obama was going to touch the issue. " Problem is that they are a useful tool for some. A .410 is a very useful and inexpensive humane dispatch tool for sheep, it's what I always used. I like them very highly regulated though. I've seen some terrifying morons on shoot days. | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm Ahh, I never got that involved with mine, just bought standard shot for clay shooting I've spent a lot of time around gamekeepers, bigger loads can be useful for foxes at close range (like when they are taking your (or his) chickens)." Never hunted with mine, just clays, that's why I went for a 3 round semi automatic pump, slightly more chance of hitting one | |||
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"I am very against firearms, dispite being familiar and trained in using them,and really wish there was an international treaty banning their sale to the public. I know it's a sport but I think they bring more evil to this world than good. Unfortunately it's such big money that not even Obama was going to touch the issue. Problem is that they are a useful tool for some. A .410 is a very useful and inexpensive humane dispatch tool for sheep, it's what I always used. I like them very highly regulated though. I've seen some terrifying morons on shoot days. " I've been shot at. Guns lose their romantic appeal when your at the wrong end. | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm " I used to live permanently in the USA so I was referring to the load I use there. In the UK you're limited to something like super game 36 SG on a shotgun license which is slightly lighter. I would be a hell of a lot more cautious in the UK than am in the US. I don't get the impression the law is on the side of the homeowner. | |||
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" A shotgun is a good weapon. A lot of people don't realise this but a bullet hitting a solid wall bounces like a rubber ball. You never see it in the movies. Yes a 12g shotgun is a favourite for home defense in the states and I still use one. I use 000 buck cartridges which have 8 pellets per cartridge. Each pellet has about the same energy as a 9mm handgun round. Less danger of going right through your target and through the drywall and into the room behind and definitely enough stopping power to seriously ruin any toerags day. So you must have a section 1 FAC then? Do they still not have shotgun licenses anymore? Yes, but the 00 buck @ 8.4 mm is the largest shotgun ammo being able to be held on a shotgun certificate in the UK as the maximum shot size allowed is 9 mm I used to live permanently in the USA so I was referring to the load I use there. In the UK you're limited to something like super game 36 SG on a shotgun license which is slightly lighter. I would be a hell of a lot more cautious in the UK than am in the US. I don't get the impression the law is on the side of the homeowner. " I keep an axe under my bed. Lovingly modified from benign to deadly with an angle grinder. Anyone who wants to meet me at close quarters better be packing
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend. "Rule 1when pulling the trigger; always identify the target , and only pull the trigger if that person is a threat to you. Meaning don’t shoot people stealing your car as they drive off or people making off with your favourite piece of lladro. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old."Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different). | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I agree that gun laws in the USA need to be improved. Some control is a good thing to stop concealed weapons on the streets and to stop crazies doing mass shootings.
However, your assertion that you would never, ever shoot a loaded gun at someone is naive and shows that you've never actually been in a life threatening situation.
I seriously suggest that if you have a gun within reach and you ever have an armed man in front of you about do your family harm that you abandon your principles and use it.
However if your principles are too strong then at least you may write something about high mindedness on the tombstones. "Omg. please stop. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I agree that gun laws in the USA need to be improved. Some control is a good thing to stop concealed weapons on the streets and to stop crazies doing mass shootings.
However, your assertion that you would never, ever shoot a loaded gun at someone is naive and shows that you've never actually been in a life threatening situation.
I seriously suggest that if you have a gun within reach and you ever have an armed man in front of you about do your family harm that you abandon your principles and use it.
However if your principles are too strong then at least you may write something about high mindedness on the tombstones.
Omg. please stop. "However, your assertion that you would never, ever shoot a loaded gun at someone is naive and shows that you've never actually been in a life threatening situation. You think this is normal thinking don’t you? I won’t be forced. You can all conform if you like. But calling me naive? And never been in a life threatening situation. Why don’t you add a huge fat LOL with it. This is not normal! I will never come within inches of a gun. Unless it was a zombie apocalypse. Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old.
Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different)."Really? Most people aren't pedantic. They usually refer to 7mm, 9mm etc without being specific on the caliber sizes. My dad was a gunsmith so by the time I was years old I could identify any post WWII weapon. I have scars behind my ears from using .22 empties as earplugs when I was 4. The carbon infected my mastoids which needed to be removed. The reason I carried the 7mm Walther was in case we were ambushed and I was the lone survivor. The gun was not to shoot the terrorists. It was to blow my own brains out so as not to be tortured. My best friend (8) and younger sister (5) were tortured to death by terrorists. So yes by the age of 8 I had been instructed on the most efficient way to blow your my brains out. I have also had specialist military training which included weapons training. So you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my estimation of you couldn't get any lower so please carry on. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. " There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. " As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun." I would have moved | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun. I would have moved "I did move here. But for economic reasons not because of the crime rate. I landed in Heathrow after a ten hour flight and wondered "why the fuck is everyone so miserable? They go to sleep every night expecting to wake up in the morning. Do they not know how privileged they are?" For the first time in my life I lived in a house without burglar bars in the windows. We are privileged but don't realise it. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun." That's your choice. I personally would have done all the defensive measures that you mention but I still prefer the comfort of having a weapon as a last resort. Just because I own a gun doesn't mean I automatically get it out and go looking for trouble. Even though its locked away, I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I did. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun. That's your choice. I personally would have done all the defensive measures that you mention but I still prefer the comfort of having a weapon as a last resort. Just because I own a gun doesn't mean I automatically get it out and go looking for trouble. Even though its locked away, I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I did. " Its a fair argument. To me a gun in the gun safe is almost (note I'm say amost) the same as no gun at all. In South Africa most homeowners own firearms. Yet the suburb I lived in (of just a few thousand people) experienced over 50 breakins a night. Do you know what's the first thing they ask you? Where's your gun. Criminals going after guns is actually their prime motive for breaking in. The number of police officers killed in South Africa is staggering. It's BECAUSE they own firearms. The thing is that unless you carry your gun around with you all the time (like my dad did) or have it next to you at your bedside you probably won't have it to hand when you need it. When you wake up to find someone standing at the end of your bed, having a gun in the gunsafe is irrelevant. Guns do, however, come out when people get d*unk (guns and alcohol don't mix btw) and when spouses get angry with each other. Or in the case in Houston when the police officer arrives to a domestic violence complaint. | |||
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" The thing is that unless you carry your gun around with you all the time (like my dad did) or have it next to you at your bedside you probably won't have it to hand when you need it. When you wake up to find someone standing at the end of your bed, having a gun in the gunsafe is irrelevant. " Don't forget though you already mentioned that you had a gate fitted and various defensive measures activated. The purpose of all these is to remove the surprise factor - to allow you to call the cops and retrieve the weapon. In my case, for example, I had a locked armored door in the entrance to the second floor sleeping wing. Phones, gun safe, cctv, power and alarm control were in that area. In the event of an intruder I could comfortably watch them on cctv whilst waiting for the cops to arrive and would have ample time to retrieve and load the weapon. In the event that the the bad guys try and break through then I still have the gun as a last line of defense. I think it really depends on how your home is arranged. | |||
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" The thing is that unless you carry your gun around with you all the time (like my dad did) or have it next to you at your bedside you probably won't have it to hand when you need it. When you wake up to find someone standing at the end of your bed, having a gun in the gunsafe is irrelevant. Don't forget though you already mentioned that you had a gate fitted and various defensive measures activated. The purpose of all these is to remove the surprise factor - to allow you to call the cops and retrieve the weapon. In my case, for example, I had a locked armored door in the entrance to the second floor sleeping wing. Phones, gun safe, cctv, power and alarm control were in that area. In the event of an intruder I could comfortably watch them on cctv whilst waiting for the cops to arrive and would have ample time to retrieve and load the weapon. In the event that the the bad guys try and break through then I still have the gun as a last line of defense. I think it really depends on how your home is arranged. " My philosophy is that if a burglar alarm picks up someone in your house it's already too late. The barricade was to buy time for an armed response company to get there. I would trigger the alarm and time their response. If you are a burglar and you set off an alarm then the chances are you are going to stop breaking in. My house had signs all around saying that I was connected to an armed response company. I'm sure you are a responsible gun owner and it sounds like you are. But some people aren't. They leave their guns lying around in front of kids etc. Then there is also things like drugs, alcohol and mental instability. Some people should be anywhere near a gun. I'll give you an example. A guy woke up one day in a prison cell wondering how he got there. He found out that he had accidentally taken Zolpidem and then gone drinking. He went on a shooting rampage and shot 4 people. He can't remember any of it and is a nice guy otherwise. | |||
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"It's more than just currency speculation. Companies with the right exposures are making billions, their sales are in different currency, the profits go up, their costs go down etc etc etc. All of this means, you will have a job, you will work harder, your quality of life will stagnate, and your wages will be capped, and the people who own the companies will make out like bandits." Exactly. At some stage trickle down economics stopped working. But how do we change things? | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old.
Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different).
Really? Most people aren't pedantic. They usually refer to 7mm, 9mm etc without being specific on the caliber sizes. My dad was a gunsmith so by the time I was years old I could identify any post WWII weapon. I have scars behind my ears from using .22 empties as earplugs when I was 4. The carbon infected my mastoids which needed to be removed.
The reason I carried the 7mm Walther was in case we were ambushed and I was the lone survivor. The gun was not to shoot the terrorists. It was to blow my own brains out so as not to be tortured. My best friend (8) and younger sister (5) were tortured to death by terrorists. So yes by the age of 8 I had been instructed on the most efficient way to blow your my brains out.
I have also had specialist military training which included weapons training. So you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my estimation of you couldn't get any lower so please carry on."The hole is getting bigger Walt. There is no 7mm Walther , Walt. Keep posting ..... you are the funniest thing on here by a long long way. Terrorists are so naughty aren’t they. | |||
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old.
Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different).
Really? Most people aren't pedantic. They usually refer to 7mm, 9mm etc without being specific on the caliber sizes. My dad was a gunsmith so by the time I was years old I could identify any post WWII weapon. I have scars behind my ears from using .22 empties as earplugs when I was 4. The carbon infected my mastoids which needed to be removed.
The reason I carried the 7mm Walther was in case we were ambushed and I was the lone survivor. The gun was not to shoot the terrorists. It was to blow my own brains out so as not to be tortured. My best friend (8) and younger sister (5) were tortured to death by terrorists. So yes by the age of 8 I had been instructed on the most efficient way to blow your my brains out.
I have also had specialist military training which included weapons training. So you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my estimation of you couldn't get any lower so please carry on.
The hole is getting bigger Walt. There is no 7mm Walther , Walt. Keep posting ..... you are the funniest thing on here by a long long way. Terrorists are so naughty aren’t they. "Whatever. Your opinion means nothing to me. | |||
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" Me and my kids have talked about that. But nah? An institution where shooting each other is your only option? Baaaaaa. Carry on then. There must be something about this that one of doesn't get. Please try to understand. I am talking here about a life-threatening situation. Surely in that situation you are not going to choose to just roll over and die, or hope for the best? Every animal alive has a survival instinct. Are you telling me that you don't have one? I don't believe it. Anyways. You're entitled to your own principles and views. But I feel its a bit disrespectful of you to naysay and castigate others who have more interest in self defense than you have. Just because I am willing to use a gun to subdue an armed attacker threatening me or my family doesn't make me a bad person. As I have mentioned I lived in a country with a lot of crime and a lot of gun violence. One night my wife woke me up saying "They are here". Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where my response should have been "WTF are you talking about". I could hear an intruder outside my children's bedrooms. For me this is not a hypothetical. My response to this break in was to barricade my house more thoroughly, installed ouside lighting install a gate in the passage that separated the bedrooms from the rest of the house and put PIR sensors in the other rooms. I did not get a gun. I would have moved
I did move here. But for economic reasons not because of the crime rate.
I landed in Heathrow after a ten hour flight and wondered "why the fuck is everyone so miserable? They go to sleep every night expecting to wake up in the morning. Do they not know how privileged they are?"
For the first time in my life I lived in a house without burglar bars in the windows.
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old.
Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different).
Really? Most people aren't pedantic. They usually refer to 7mm, 9mm etc without being specific on the caliber sizes. My dad was a gunsmith so by the time I was years old I could identify any post WWII weapon. I have scars behind my ears from using .22 empties as earplugs when I was 4. The carbon infected my mastoids which needed to be removed.
The reason I carried the 7mm Walther was in case we were ambushed and I was the lone survivor. The gun was not to shoot the terrorists. It was to blow my own brains out so as not to be tortured. My best friend (8) and younger sister (5) were tortured to death by terrorists. So yes by the age of 8 I had been instructed on the most efficient way to blow your my brains out.
I have also had specialist military training which included weapons training. So you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my estimation of you couldn't get any lower so please carry on.
The hole is getting bigger Walt. There is no 7mm Walther , Walt. Keep posting ..... you are the funniest thing on here by a long long way. Terrorists are so naughty aren’t they.
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" Your statement. So so wrong on so many levels. And a little bit insane actually. This is what we have to content with. Can’t you go back to the US? Pretty please p
What's wrong with a person wanting to defend their home and family?
If you're confronted by an armed intruder in the night what are you going to use - harsh language?
You sound like a sheltered Liberal. Well. If you've actually been confronted in your home by a burglar, like I have, perhaps you might favour having a weapon rather than needing a freaking hug.
How do you know I’ve never been burgled?
Gun laws in the US are insane. Fact.
Only brought upon themselves. Fact.
I’d never, ever, in a million years, hold a gun, load it and shoot someone. If that is sheltered liberal way of thinking then my opinion/personal nature is wasted here.
I’ve only ever shot 2 people. Both lived....You should only ever shoot to kill but they caught me on an off day .
Laugh. I used to have a sign on my gate. 'if anything in this house is worth your life, be my guest'. I knew a guy who shot an armed intruder climbing into his house. Police took the body away. Case closed.
A well known sports star in a country I lived in woke up to hear his car being pushed down the road. He ran outside to see that the person was in the car. Using the silhouette presented by the street light put a perfect shot through the persons head. It turned out to be his own daughter who thought she would sneak out to visit her boyfriend.
That was a sad case in South Africa if I remember right. I'm not suggesting thag people shoot anyone in defense of property. However I do find a weapon useful for self defense against an armed assailant. Its a completely different situation, so, whilst the case is sad and cautionary, it in no way persuades me to put away my shotgun and use harsh language if I'm confronted in the middle of the night.
You reckon that you'd have time to get the keys to your gun safe, find the right one for the top/bottom lock, open the cabinet, get your shells from their separate, locked store all in time to confront a burglar.
I have guns and I reckon my big Maglite would be far more useful in a break-in.
My father always claimed a gun in the safe was no good at all. He slept with a 9mm Browning next to his bed. Cocked safety off and one in the spout.
Completely illegal here to not keep guns in a locked safe though and if you have rifles, the ammo should be in a separate (also locked) safe.
I know. He also carried it everywhere he went in a shoulder holster. Different time different circumstanced.
I also carried a side arm. 7mm Walther. I was 8 years old.
Except there is no such thing as a Walter 7mm. I know you like to sound as if you know what you are talking about but unfortunately more often than not, that’s not the case. The 2 most popular ammo sizes were 7.65 and 9 mm. Personally I always found the 7.65 under powered and only kept it as a back up weapon if all else failed. Someone shot me with a Walther once and the round didn’t penetrate the heavy coat I was wearing. Only really useful at ranges of about 5m in terms of accuracy and stopping power ( in combat situations; on the range is different).
Really? Most people aren't pedantic. They usually refer to 7mm, 9mm etc without being specific on the caliber sizes. My dad was a gunsmith so by the time I was years old I could identify any post WWII weapon. I have scars behind my ears from using .22 empties as earplugs when I was 4. The carbon infected my mastoids which needed to be removed.
The reason I carried the 7mm Walther was in case we were ambushed and I was the lone survivor. The gun was not to shoot the terrorists. It was to blow my own brains out so as not to be tortured. My best friend (8) and younger sister (5) were tortured to death by terrorists. So yes by the age of 8 I had been instructed on the most efficient way to blow your my brains out.
I have also had specialist military training which included weapons training. So you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, my estimation of you couldn't get any lower so please carry on.
The hole is getting bigger Walt. There is no 7mm Walther , Walt. Keep posting ..... you are the funniest thing on here by a long long way. Terrorists are so naughty aren’t they.
Whatever. Your opinion means nothing to me.
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