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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm curious, I'm a Northern labour voter, pro-remain, but a bit sceptical of the EU. I'm not a corbynisa, just a left leaning liberal.
I grew up on a council estate, I know what working class issues are.
Are you confident that a Tory party holding these areas, and the home counties, can satisfy both groups?
What do you want them to do and change to help the working classes? |
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Labour, over the last 20 years have become a metropolitan middle class party. Brexit was almost a release valve that allowed many on the left to articulate their true feelings about the working classes. Steve Coogan was still at it just before the election. It is never a good strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you an uneducated moron, unable to resist the propaganda of the right, unlike smart folks who see through such things like them. The Lib Dems cared so much for all those sad uneducated fools they were going to ignore them and save them from themselves! Labour should have won a 100 seat majority the Tories were so useless, but instead thought let’s go back to the 70s. If JC really was principled he would have been honest and stated he has been anti EU for his entire political career because it is incompatible with a truly socialist state. |
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"Labour, over the last 20 years have become a metropolitan middle class party. Brexit was almost a release valve that allowed many on the left to articulate their true feelings about the working classes. Steve Coogan was still at it just before the election. It is never a good strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you an uneducated moron, unable to resist the propaganda of the right, unlike smart folks who see through such things like them. The Lib Dems cared so much for all those sad uneducated fools they were going to ignore them and save them from themselves! Labour should have won a 100 seat majority the Tories were so useless, but instead thought let’s go back to the 70s. If JC really was principled he would have been honest and stated he has been anti EU for his entire political career because it is incompatible with a truly socialist state."
Okay but that's not what I'm asking.
Don't get me wrong, I've had arguments with friends and family over describing leave voters as how you just articulated. I pointed out it's not how you win people over or prevent them from voting for the alternative.
So I'll ask again:
What should the Tories do to satisfy their new real working class seats and their home county seats systematically? |
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By *ostafunMan
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"Labour, over the last 20 years have become a metropolitan middle class party. Brexit was almost a release valve that allowed many on the left to articulate their true feelings about the working classes. Steve Coogan was still at it just before the election. It is never a good strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you an uneducated moron, unable to resist the propaganda of the right, unlike smart folks who see through such things like them. The Lib Dems cared so much for all those sad uneducated fools they were going to ignore them and save them from themselves! Labour should have won a 100 seat majority the Tories were so useless, but instead thought let’s go back to the 70s. If JC really was principled he would have been honest and stated he has been anti EU for his entire political career because it is incompatible with a truly socialist state.
Okay but that's not what I'm asking.
Don't get me wrong, I've had arguments with friends and family over describing leave voters as how you just articulated. I pointed out it's not how you win people over or prevent them from voting for the alternative.
So I'll ask again:
What should the Tories do to satisfy their new real working class seats and their home county seats systematically?"
Keep their promises and invest more in the midlands and north which will probably happen now as there are tory mps in those seats and london wont get so much as they are labour seats. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour, over the last 20 years have become a metropolitan middle class party. Brexit was almost a release valve that allowed many on the left to articulate their true feelings about the working classes. Steve Coogan was still at it just before the election. It is never a good strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you an uneducated moron, unable to resist the propaganda of the right, unlike smart folks who see through such things like them. The Lib Dems cared so much for all those sad uneducated fools they were going to ignore them and save them from themselves! Labour should have won a 100 seat majority the Tories were so useless, but instead thought let’s go back to the 70s. If JC really was principled he would have been honest and stated he has been anti EU for his entire political career because it is incompatible with a truly socialist state.
Okay but that's not what I'm asking.
Don't get me wrong, I've had arguments with friends and family over describing leave voters as how you just articulated. I pointed out it's not how you win people over or prevent them from voting for the alternative.
So I'll ask again:
What should the Tories do to satisfy their new real working class seats and their home county seats systematically?"
To be honest I think we will see even more of a polarisation of the country as I cant see how Boris can make his “one nation conservatism” that will appeal to all....but who knows? Its going to either be a bunch of lies that will fall apart as the true colours of brexit come through or the end of labour and liberal politics as we know it....which however you look at it is a depressing and retrograde step but maybe living in a nice liberal city like Bristol makes me out of touch? |
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Politicians like power. If they can see by investing in these new areas and creating new opportunities that the electoral support will remain they will find a way of doing it. That's what Thatcher did in the 80's.
Boris is a clever man and having run London will repeat his style which was to appoint clever bright people around him to do detail and he the strategy and big picture. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Labour, over the last 20 years have become a metropolitan middle class party. Brexit was almost a release valve that allowed many on the left to articulate their true feelings about the working classes. Steve Coogan was still at it just before the election. It is never a good strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you an uneducated moron, unable to resist the propaganda of the right, unlike smart folks who see through such things like them. The Lib Dems cared so much for all those sad uneducated fools they were going to ignore them and save them from themselves! Labour should have won a 100 seat majority the Tories were so useless, but instead thought let’s go back to the 70s. If JC really was principled he would have been honest and stated he has been anti EU for his entire political career because it is incompatible with a truly socialist state.
Okay but that's not what I'm asking.
Don't get me wrong, I've had arguments with friends and family over describing leave voters as how you just articulated. I pointed out it's not how you win people over or prevent them from voting for the alternative.
So I'll ask again:
What should the Tories do to satisfy their new real working class seats and their home county seats systematically?Keep their promises and invest more in the midlands and north which will probably happen now as there are tory mps in those seats and london wont get so much as they are labour seats."
So you're telling me that those seats never got enough money cause they weren't held by a Tory?
So you're telling me that anger about a lack of investment should be shot at the Tories?
So you're telling me the Tories run funding like a cartel?
Fancy coming up here and saying that in northern seats and watching the shit hit the fan - I'd like it |
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