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"not a good night... what happened? whats the solution?" What went wrong... Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott and their policies. Sort that lot and Labour will be a serious threat to the Conservatives I think. | |||
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"not a good night... what happened? whats the solution?" It’s a great time for the tories, they’ve done the impossible. Solution, Get rid of Corbyn and momentum, put a true labour leader in who will kick Boris’s fat flabby ass in Five years, job done. | |||
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"not a good night... what happened? whats the solution? What went wrong... Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott and their policies. Sort that lot and Labour will be a serious threat to the Conservatives I think. "  | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people "Even though I've never voted Labour I did quite like Blair | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. " eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people "There is no "working class" in the traditional way of thinking. The mines have gone, the steelworks too. No rows of terrace houses, workers having their annual week in Blackpool, flat caps and whippets. All gone. Today's working class works in clean and modern industrial units, lives in a new build on old mine land and holidays in Florida. They have two cars, a good lifestyle, maybe even run a small business. The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it. | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday " He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people
There is no "working class" in the traditional way of thinking.
The mines have gone, the steelworks too. No rows of terrace houses, workers having their annual week in Blackpool, flat caps and whippets. All gone.
Today's working class works in clean and modern industrial units, lives in a new build on old mine land and holidays in Florida. They have two cars, a good lifestyle, maybe even run a small business.
The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it. "I disagree with this entirely. I don't disagree that Labour lost the working class but trust me.. the average working class do not have two cars and holiday in Florida. | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not." Whatever Brexit deal Johnson pushes through is exactly what leavers voted for and there was more leave votes than remain votes so leavers will get what they voted for. Unless they say they didn't vote for that but the do say they knew exactly what they were voting for so I'm not going to argue, they'll get what they voted for through Boris Johnson. | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people
There is no "working class" in the traditional way of thinking.
The mines have gone, the steelworks too. No rows of terrace houses, workers having their annual week in Blackpool, flat caps and whippets. All gone.
Today's working class works in clean and modern industrial units, lives in a new build on old mine land and holidays in Florida. They have two cars, a good lifestyle, maybe even run a small business.
The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it. ". Yes I'm one of them, I should have made an easier distinction like, they've lost everybody who doesn't read the guardian, is white, married, has kids and earns under 40k. That's who they've lost | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. Whatever Brexit deal Johnson pushes through is exactly what leavers voted for and there was more leave votes than remain votes so leavers will get what they voted for. Unless they say they didn't vote for that but the do say they knew exactly what they were voting for so I'm not going to argue, they'll get what they voted for through Boris Johnson. " They voted to leave. And they will leave, yes. I mean specifically. The deal, or lack of deal, is purely in the hands of Boris now. The majority of voters wanted to leave, so refusing leave is a mistake. However.. the idea of getting a deal and then letting the people decide if they're happy or not.. I agree with. | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. Whatever Brexit deal Johnson pushes through is exactly what leavers voted for and there was more leave votes than remain votes so leavers will get what they voted for. Unless they say they didn't vote for that but the do say they knew exactly what they were voting for so I'm not going to argue, they'll get what they voted for through Boris Johnson. They voted to leave. And they will leave, yes. I mean specifically. The deal, or lack of deal, is purely in the hands of Boris now. The majority of voters wanted to leave, so refusing leave is a mistake. However.. the idea of getting a deal and then letting the people decide if they're happy or not.. I agree with. " Yes I agree I do see the sense of doing that. | |||
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"Labour lost the day they made Corybn their leader with McDonald as his number 2. They need to get rid of Corbyn, MaDonald, Abbott and momentum. Have some real policies the blue and white collar workers can believe in and a Leader people like!" As much as I like Corbyn, and I genuinely do, I agree. We need a strong united Labour now. | |||
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"There is no solution. There will be no next election. The ownership of the UK by foreign multi-billionaires is now complete. Hard brexit. No trade deals. Blame placed on "foreigners" and all minorities. Drone population accepting everything that big media tells them, no matter how much it is against their best interests. Monarchy that will do whatever they are told and smile. House of lords that will do whatever they are told and smile. Judiciary that will do whatever they are told and smile. Government that will do whatever they are told by the billionaires and foreign powers that own them. Imagine a boot stamping on a face forever. This is our new reality." . Have you thought about RADA  | |||
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"There is no solution. There will be no next election. The ownership of the UK by foreign multi-billionaires is now complete. Hard brexit. No trade deals. Blame placed on "foreigners" and all minorities. Drone population accepting everything that big media tells them, no matter how much it is against their best interests. Monarchy that will do whatever they are told and smile. House of lords that will do whatever they are told and smile. Judiciary that will do whatever they are told and smile. Government that will do whatever they are told by the billionaires and foreign powers that own them. Imagine a boot stamping on a face forever. This is our new reality." The reality of weak leadership in weak opposition. | |||
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" The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it. . Yes I'm one of them, I should have made an easier distinction like, they've lost everybody who doesn't read the guardian, is white, married, has kids and earns under 40k. That's who they've lost" That is the sad fact,labour have lost touch. Modern working people want the nice things in life, those that work hard resent paying tax to support the lazy workshy ones, the tories hve n opportunity to make some big changes on how we support the less able to earn a living BUT they also have to reign in the highly over paid bankers and company executives perhaps by themgetting percentage of the lowest salary intheir business, we need higher tax free allowance to help the lower paid. We also desperately need a discussion on the future of pensions,elderly care and how we bring the NHS to the 21st century it needs a cross party honest nothing ruled out debate, we have an aging popultion and we have to find a way forward that the country can afford but gives people the service they need | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people
There is no "working class" in the traditional way of thinking.
The mines have gone, the steelworks too. No rows of terrace houses, workers having their annual week in Blackpool, flat caps and whippets. All gone.
Today's working class works in clean and modern industrial units, lives in a new build on old mine land and holidays in Florida. They have two cars, a good lifestyle, maybe even run a small business.
The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it. .
Yes I'm one of them, I should have made an easier distinction like, they've lost everybody who doesn't read the guardian, is white, married, has kids and earns under 40k.
That's who they've lost"Who’d have thought it? I fit with four of those categories! I guess I’ll have to get married now.....but only so I can get the married persons allowance | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. " So they voted radical racists in. | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. " You could argue the Tories are the ones that attracted racist votes with their constant banging on about get brexit done. There are many that don't actually know what brexit means, they just associated it with immigration and other lies that were spun to them. The north voted a party in that ruined their areas, solely because of brexit and not actual policy, thats scary | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..!" To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. | |||
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"The working class are deserting them in favour of TORIES, that fact alone should tell you something. They've got the middle class woke guardian readers vote tied up, that fact alone should tell you something. One thing Tony Blair had going for him was he was a man for all people
There is no "working class" in the traditional way of thinking.
The mines have gone, the steelworks too. No rows of terrace houses, workers having their annual week in Blackpool, flat caps and whippets. All gone.
Today's working class works in clean and modern industrial units, lives in a new build on old mine land and holidays in Florida. They have two cars, a good lifestyle, maybe even run a small business.
The Conservatives want to raise the bar for them. Labour only wants to lower it.
I disagree with this entirely. I don't disagree that Labour lost the working class but trust me.. the average working class do not have two cars and holiday in Florida. " average working class go to food banks sad but true... | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that." Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then! | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then!" Boris Johnson voted against a previous Brexit bill. He also blocked his own Brexit bill by pulling it after parliament had agreed to it. The idea that only Labour blocked Brexit is nonsense. All of parliament has been trying for 3 and a bit years to untangle this fucking mess. | |||
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"A combination of Corbyn finally deciding to push through with a peoples vote, the media lying on Corbyns name and policies that are seen as "too left" in the uk made him lose. The good thing now is the conservatives have nobody to blame for the next 5 years but themselves. They wanted brexit, they're going to be carrying it out and if brexit does get done, if the country is even worse, Labour will win their seats back as long as (mainly north) have a leader they identify with. Sad to see people prioritized brexit over damaging domestic policy but corbyn practically handed it over with this badly timed election. All the Tories did was scream get brexit done and thats the main reason Labour lost." Spot on. It was all about Brexit , the labour leave voters have decided that Brexit is the most important thing in their lives and everything else is irrelevant. They now have 5 years of Tory rule, I do hope for their sakes Boris keeps his promises | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then! Boris Johnson voted against a previous Brexit bill. He also blocked his own Brexit bill by pulling it after parliament had agreed to it. The idea that only Labour blocked Brexit is nonsense. All of parliament has been trying for 3 and a bit years to untangle this fucking mess." He has no where to go now, no one to blame , no JC to smear he has made a number of promises that have to be kept . If he keeps them then he will do well but his track record isn’t great and a strong opposition will crush him . | |||
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"A combination of Corbyn finally deciding to push through with a peoples vote, the media lying on Corbyns name and policies that are seen as "too left" in the uk made him lose. The good thing now is the conservatives have nobody to blame for the next 5 years but themselves. They wanted brexit, they're going to be carrying it out and if brexit does get done, if the country is even worse, Labour will win their seats back as long as (mainly north) have a leader they identify with. Sad to see people prioritized brexit over damaging domestic policy but corbyn practically handed it over with this badly timed election. All the Tories did was scream get brexit done and thats the main reason Labour lost. Spot on. It was all about Brexit , the labour leave voters have decided that Brexit is the most important thing in their lives and everything else is irrelevant. They now have 5 years of Tory rule, I do hope for their asked Boris keeps his promises " He'll be in his fridge. | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. You could argue the Tories are the ones that attracted racist votes with their constant banging on about get brexit done. There are many that don't actually know what brexit means, they just associated it with immigration and other lies that were spun to them. The north voted a party in that ruined their areas, solely because of brexit and not actual policy, thats scary" can this fucking bullshit about racists stop now 3and half yrs leavers been labeled that it’s a joke and offensive there’s a 17-4 million that voted leave every party as problems with racism wanting to control imigration is nothing new the whole world does it | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. " . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then! Boris Johnson voted against a previous Brexit bill. He also blocked his own Brexit bill by pulling it after parliament had agreed to it. The idea that only Labour blocked Brexit is nonsense. All of parliament has been trying for 3 and a bit years to untangle this fucking mess. He has no where to go now, no one to blame , no JC to smear he has made a number of promises that have to be kept . If he keeps them then he will do well but his track record isn’t great and a strong opposition will crush him . " The Tories will still ignore their fuck ups or try to blame other people. It's what they do. | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. You could argue the Tories are the ones that attracted racist votes with their constant banging on about get brexit done. There are many that don't actually know what brexit means, they just associated it with immigration and other lies that were spun to them. The north voted a party in that ruined their areas, solely because of brexit and not actual policy, thats scary can this fucking bullshit about racists stop now 3and half yrs leavers been labeled that it’s a joke and offensive there’s a 17-4 million that voted leave every party as problems with racism wanting to control imigration is nothing new the whole world does it " Racism got brought up in here by someone aiming at "left wing racism". | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. You could argue the Tories are the ones that attracted racist votes with their constant banging on about get brexit done. There are many that don't actually know what brexit means, they just associated it with immigration and other lies that were spun to them. The north voted a party in that ruined their areas, solely because of brexit and not actual policy, thats scary can this fucking bullshit about racists stop now 3and half yrs leavers been labeled that it’s a joke and offensive there’s a 17-4 million that voted leave every party as problems with racism wanting to control imigration is nothing new the whole world does it Racism got brought up in here by someone aiming at "left wing racism". " maybe but it boils me piss it actually waters what racism is tossing racism about like a toy iv been call racist traitor chav thick northern cunt you name it iv been called it like lots of leavers on here We need to bury this shit now come together as a country don’t forget every one on here on both sides have family and friends who will of voted diffrent to them | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then! Boris Johnson voted against a previous Brexit bill. He also blocked his own Brexit bill by pulling it after parliament had agreed to it. The idea that only Labour blocked Brexit is nonsense. All of parliament has been trying for 3 and a bit years to untangle this fucking mess. He has no where to go now, no one to blame , no JC to smear he has made a number of promises that have to be kept . If he keeps them then he will do well but his track record isn’t great and a strong opposition will crush him . The Tories will still ignore their fuck ups or try to blame other people. It's what they do." Just like you blaming the Tories for the car crash of the Labour result. Leader Front bench Policies Attitude Momentum All need to go within the next 12 months. Then start rebuilding for the next General Election in 2024. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected "Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?" Wow, talk about wearing blinkers..! To many people, I think this election was all about Brexit. It's been the main thing they've been reading about and hearing about for years. The Tories capitalised on that. Labour shouldn't have kept blocking it then! Boris Johnson voted against a previous Brexit bill. He also blocked his own Brexit bill by pulling it after parliament had agreed to it. The idea that only Labour blocked Brexit is nonsense. All of parliament has been trying for 3 and a bit years to untangle this fucking mess. He has no where to go now, no one to blame , no JC to smear he has made a number of promises that have to be kept . If he keeps them then he will do well but his track record isn’t great and a strong opposition will crush him . The Tories will still ignore their fuck ups or try to blame other people. It's what they do. Just like you blaming the Tories for the car crash of the Labour result. Leader Front bench Policies Attitude Momentum All need to go within the next 12 months. Then start rebuilding for the next General Election in 2024." I'm pretty sure I said Labour lost because Corbyn let Johnson have an election. I think from then on, it was just a case of all the dominos falling. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 ".
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate"Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years "Not if they follow his forum posts | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not." We have, in effect , just had a second referendum. The people have spoken . Again. | |||
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"There is no solution. There will be no next election. The ownership of the UK by foreign multi-billionaires is now complete. Hard brexit. No trade deals. Blame placed on "foreigners" and all minorities. Drone population accepting everything that big media tells them, no matter how much it is against their best interests. Monarchy that will do whatever they are told and smile. House of lords that will do whatever they are told and smile. Judiciary that will do whatever they are told and smile. Government that will do whatever they are told by the billionaires and foreign powers that own them. Imagine a boot stamping on a face forever. This is our new reality." Ha ha ha.... that’s hilarious | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. We have, in effect , just had a second referendum. The people have spoken . Again." Yes, they have. 55% of voters voted for parties who offered a second referendum of sorts. Did they not? | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. We have, in effect , just had a second referendum. The people have spoken . Again." It does seem depressingly likely Brexit will happen. How and when is far less clear. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected "You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over? Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession. | |||
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. eacactly that get brexit done if labour had said they would get a better deal and campaign to leave and respect the majority of labour voters who voted leave you may be looking at a diffrent picture tday He did promise a better deal. Then promised to give the people a choice on that deal. He also said he wouldn't campaign either way on that choice.. because then he could act fairly on the outcome. To me, that's the best option. Instead now.. we get whatever deal the Tories want. Whether we like it or not. We have, in effect , just had a second referendum. The people have spoken . Again." They have. They want the Boris deal and they will now get it, no complaints from me and I am sure there won’t be any complaints from those who voted for it in the future ? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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"It seems some Labour supporters want to be Blair's Labour again. Corbyn is too much for them, sadly. Aside from that.. the media did their job. They brainwashed the undecided.. It didn't become about policies or manifestos, the US buying the NHS piece by piece or the PM hiding in fridges and hiding from interviews and debates.. it became about lies, slander and GeT bReXiT dOnE. To quote Firely.. We may have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one. " | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years
Not if they follow his forum posts "there was actually a cpl near me who posted highly atracted to labour voters lol fab as gone mental | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years
Not if they follow his forum posts there was actually a cpl near me who posted highly atracted to labour voters lol fab as gone mental "A few near me say that won’t meet conservative voters, bonkers , but it is their choice | |||
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"A polarising leader who spent too much time sitting on the fence. Anti Semitism accusations became a millstone hanging round his neck. He should have nipped it in the bud but it ran and ran. He should have been clearer around how he felt on Europe. Instead he came across as someone who dithered. And Momentum. " I think he did try to nip it in the bud, but the right wing media kept bringing it up & when the times puts the chief rabbi on its front page days before the election, what chance does he have? On the other side we had Tory representatives making islamaphobic comments & nothing happens. BJ promised an investigation into islam comments, we're still waiting. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years
Not if they follow his forum posts there was actually a cpl near me who posted highly atracted to labour voters lol fab as gone mental
A few near me say that won’t meet conservative voters, bonkers , but it is their choice "imagine if they just posted only want ppl who think like us they be labeled loonies | |||
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"A polarising leader who spent too much time sitting on the fence. Anti Semitism accusations became a millstone hanging round his neck. He should have nipped it in the bud but it ran and ran. He should have been clearer around how he felt on Europe. Instead he came across as someone who dithered. And Momentum. I think he did try to nip it in the bud, but the right wing media kept bringing it up & when the times puts the chief rabbi on its front page days before the election, what chance does he have? On the other side we had Tory representatives making islamaphobic comments & nothing happens. BJ promised an investigation into islam comments, we're still waiting. " Now that the JC era is over the press will need someone new to ‘pick on’. Beware Boris they will be waiting for you to fuck up again  | |||
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"A polarising leader who spent too much time sitting on the fence. Anti Semitism accusations became a millstone hanging round his neck. He should have nipped it in the bud but it ran and ran. He should have been clearer around how he felt on Europe. Instead he came across as someone who dithered. And Momentum. I think he did try to nip it in the bud, but the right wing media kept bringing it up & when the times puts the chief rabbi on its front page days before the election, what chance does he have? On the other side we had Tory representatives making islamaphobic comments & nothing happens. BJ promised an investigation into islam comments, we're still waiting. Now that the JC era is over the press will need someone new to ‘pick on’. Beware Boris they will be waiting for you to fuck up again "The Telegraph, the Mail and the Express are so rabidly right wing they'll never go after the Tories. No matter how they fuck up. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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Yea sure you just got hammered 6-0 by the worst Tory government in fifty years for nothing I guess.
Good luck with future elections "Welcome back, have you just ‘woke’ up ? | |||
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"Corbyn Mcdonald are communist and the public are not that stupid to fall for it" Corbyn McDonald? You must be delighted with last nights result? Are you going out and buying a new carpet to celebrate ? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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Yea sure you just got hammered 6-0 by the worst Tory government in fifty years for nothing I guess.
Good luck with future elections "Very clearly I didn't say Labour lost because of 'nothing'. They lost because of an unpopular Brexit position and because of Corbyn. That's literally what the voters have been saying. No voters have been saying 'I didn't vote Labour because they're too woke'. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years ". Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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Yea sure you just got hammered 6-0 by the worst Tory government in fifty years for nothing I guess.
Good luck with future elections
Very clearly I didn't say Labour lost because of 'nothing'.
They lost because of an unpopular Brexit position and because of Corbyn. That's literally what the voters have been saying. No voters have been saying 'I didn't vote Labour because they're too woke'.". That's probably because your voice drowns them out, you have to listen carefully because it's a little bit more nuanced than that.  | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we "I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? "well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way! I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all. It's the best fun ever | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
You really are a broken record. Is it satisfying to you to post the same thing over and over and over?
Very little of Labour's campaign was about 'woke' issues. This is your own rather tiresome obsession.
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Yea sure you just got hammered 6-0 by the worst Tory government in fifty years for nothing I guess.
Good luck with future elections
Very clearly I didn't say Labour lost because of 'nothing'.
They lost because of an unpopular Brexit position and because of Corbyn. That's literally what the voters have been saying. No voters have been saying 'I didn't vote Labour because they're too woke'..
That's probably because your voice drowns them out, you have to listen carefully because it's a little bit more nuanced than that. "My 'voice' drowns them out? When I'm repeating what they've said? How does that work? An almost impressively nonsense comment. | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever "I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? ". Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me  | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me "Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me "Making friends everwhere you go I see. No wonder you're a shut in. Just as a matter of interest.... do you often wake up with a crowd standing around you? | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? ". Fear not young scallywag, were all different, we can't all be internet sex god's like yourself. I'll just have to keep trying my luck out there in the big real world | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? .
Fear not young scallywag, were all different, we can't all be internet sex god's like yourself.
I'll just have to keep trying my luck out there in the big real world "ladies get a room ffs lol | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Making friends everwhere you go I see. No wonder you're a shut in.
Just as a matter of interest.... do you often wake up with a crowd standing around you?"Yes, it is usually a large crowd and they all applaud , why has someone just PMd me referring to you as the Wikipedia Warrior | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? "Don't worry about the self confessed troll. Judging by the maturity of his posts he's either an adolescent with delusions of grandeur, which is sad. Or someone who actually is his advertised age and due to arrested development thinks and behaves like a teenager which is even sadder. You've got to feel sorry for someone whose entire existence revolves around desperately seeking attention on a site dedicated to a persuit he does not have the social skills to indulge in...  | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? .
Fear not young scallywag, were all different, we can't all be internet sex god's like yourself.
I'll just have to keep trying my luck out there in the big real world ladies get a room ffs lol"It is only banter, at least it is from my side . We have a love hate relationship, I love him he hates me | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ?
Don't worry about the self confessed troll. Judging by the maturity of his posts he's either an adolescent with delusions of grandeur, which is sad. Or someone who actually is his advertised age and due to arrested development thinks and behaves like a teenager which is even sadder. You've got to feel sorry for someone whose entire existence revolves around desperately seeking attention on a site dedicated to a persuit he does not have the social skills to indulge in... "Ouch, that is harsh but so true | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Making friends everwhere you go I see. No wonder you're a shut in.
Just as a matter of interest.... do you often wake up with a crowd standing around you?
Yes, it is usually a large crowd and they all applaud , why has someone just PMd me referring to you as the Wikipedia Warrior "You can't believe how gutted I am to hear that Perhaps if I had your underdeveloped mind that would mean something to me. Perhaps you need to try that on someone who doesn't go to clubs and find himself surrounded by friends.... another mouth breathing shutin like yourself perhaps? | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat "Ok Wiki, you have won. I admit defeat | |||
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"It seems pretty clear Labour lost because of Brexit and Corbyn himself. The Tories will now have to own Brexit fully, for better or for worse, which ultimately could end up helping Labour. And the next choice of leader will be crucial, obviously. . Your like the football team in free fall, you'll swap leaders alot until you start to realise it's not just the leader. If you can't win this election and you've not only lost it but been hammered 6-0 your in danger of not just dropping one League but becoming bury. Your leader is a problem but it's also your language, message, policies and more than anything your unwillingness to bend, everything you think is progressive and forward thinking cannot be rammed down everybodys throat that's why you've lost married people with children, they tend to be socially conservative by nature. At the moment your a party for single woke under 30 year olds, guardian readers and university lecturers. And that demographic ain't gonna get you elected
Not true, I and many others are not in that demographic. The JC reign is over, Brexit won’t be an issue in the next GE, if Boris fails to keep any of his promises labour will be elected in 2024 .
Yeah sure, your living in Cuckoo land mate
Only time will tell, stranger things have happened? You might even get your first meet on here within the next 5 years .
Ooh babes what's up has your day not gone as planned, little bit grumpy are we
I am in a great mood, I am financially better off now ? No increase in capital gains will save me thousands, I have a meet lined up on Saturday , I don’t let politics run my life? Yourself? well it's Friday my wallet is full and I'm heading into town,I like to get my action the old school way!
I hate politics(much prefer science,astronomy, history or table tennis) but I do like arguing with opinionated randomers on the web who think they know it all.
It's the best fun ever
I bet you will be spending another weekend alone posting on here again? I will have to come back and catch up on Monday ? .
Another weekend? Your stalking is worrying fella you wanna stop obsessing over me
Not at all, I am worried about you, I am a socialist ? Your lack of sex seems to be clouding your judgement , to much blood in your dick and not enough in your brain ? .
Fear not young scallywag, were all different, we can't all be internet sex god's like yourself.
I'll just have to keep trying my luck out there in the big real world ladies get a room ffs lol
It is only banter, at least it is from my side . We have a love hate relationship, I love him he hates me ". Everybody needs there Moriarty otherwise it's not a debate just a wank off | |||
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"I see your first veri met you on your previous profile?. What went wrong with that one?. Did you get a lifetime ban from the forums or summit or did the wife catch you out?. "I left and rejoined? It often happens Wiki, maybe you should try a fresh start, give yourself a better chance of meeting someone | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. You could argue the Tories are the ones that attracted racist votes with their constant banging on about get brexit done. There are many that don't actually know what brexit means, they just associated it with immigration and other lies that were spun to them. The north voted a party in that ruined their areas, solely because of brexit and not actual policy, thats scary can this fucking bullshit about racists stop now 3and half yrs leavers been labeled that it’s a joke and offensive there’s a 17-4 million that voted leave every party as problems with racism wanting to control imigration is nothing new the whole world does it Racism got brought up in here by someone aiming at "left wing racism". maybe but it boils me piss it actually waters what racism is tossing racism about like a toy iv been call racist traitor chav thick northern cunt you name it iv been called it like lots of leavers on here We need to bury this shit now come together as a country don’t forget every one on here on both sides have family and friends who will of voted diffrent to them " Original reply mentioned racism and left wing radicals, not me. Clearly not everybody that voted leave are racist but the fact that some people care more about breaking partnership with the EU than Tories domestic policy in their area is sad to see and the Tory spin definitely had racist rhetoric that would attract those people. Corbyn was actually for a "left brexit" until his party made him become impartial. Maybe if Labour campaigned for leave too, the outcome might have been different, even with the same policies. It wasn't solely his fault Labour lost but it is what it is. Torys are running a majority for the next 5 years so lets see how "well" this country does under a Boris leadership with nobody to blame this time but themselves | |||
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"I see your first veri met you on your previous profile?. What went wrong with that one?. Did you get a lifetime ban from the forums or summit or did the wife catch you out?.
I left and rejoined? It often happens Wiki, maybe you should try a fresh start, give yourself a better chance of meeting someone ". Often happens? How often does she catch you at it .
Honesty is the best policy in these situations fabman.
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat "To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad. Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them. Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic | |||
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"I see your first veri met you on your previous profile?. What went wrong with that one?. Did you get a lifetime ban from the forums or summit or did the wife catch you out?.
I left and rejoined? It often happens Wiki, maybe you should try a fresh start, give yourself a better chance of meeting someone .
Often happens? How often does she catch you at it .
Honesty is the best policy in these situations fabman.
Are you not getting any at home?"I rejoined to message all the people who had blocked me first time, I like to refresh now and then, having the some profile and pics for 8 months gets stale, do you agree wiki? | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic ". Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work. I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on. | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on. "Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? | |||
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"See the healing is coming along nicely. ". .
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on.
Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? ". You wanna try and remember which profile your using when replying to me fabman this is a conversation I was having with the other one | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on. "You're confusing me with someone else like the Prime Minister you've just elected who can't even answer the simple question 'how many children do you have?' I have never 'knocked anyone up' simply because I am a responsible adult and use protection. Something that's pretty much essential when you have sex with a lot of people as opposed to your hand which is something you would know more about than me. | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on.
Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? .
You wanna try and remember which profile your using when replying to me fabman this is a conversation I was having with the other one "I have just realised why you haven’t met anyone and can’t accommodate? You still live with your mum | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. " But we have radical racists running the country right now. Just right wing | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"" You really do have a low opinion of the British public. | |||
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"One thing though, how did you get a vote if your "only here for the pound and are now moving your business offshore". You make it sound like your a non national?." Well again Boris Johnson voted and only gave up his US citizenship in 2017 so he didn't have to pay tax there. I was born in a British colony to British parents and was registered as a British citizen. But don't feel ignorant I have had to explain this concept to a number of British people who are unware that there was once a British empire. I am entitled to a number of passports. One through birth one through naturalisation and two through heritage. So my basic philosophy is that if you want to fuck your own up go ahead. I'll come back later to visit and switch the lights off | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public. "I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories. | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on.
Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? .
You wanna try and remember which profile your using when replying to me fabman this is a conversation I was having with the other one
I have just realised why you haven’t met anyone and can’t accommodate? You still live with your mum ". Oh I wish. No seriously why did you reply to a conversation I was having with South African Sam as if you were him with "that's because I'm a man in demand" I reckon those who blocked you blocked you for a bloody good reason and it's your way of getting around that yeah?. Seriously your telling me I'm the childish one and here's you with various profiles and changing profiles to get around being blocked
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on.
Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? .
You wanna try and remember which profile your using when replying to me fabman this is a conversation I was having with the other one
I have just realised why you haven’t met anyone and can’t accommodate? You still live with your mum .
Oh I wish.
No seriously why did you reply to a conversation I was having with South African Sam as if you were him with "that's because I'm a man in demand"
I reckon those who blocked you blocked you for a bloody good reason and it's your way of getting around that yeah?.
Seriously your telling me I'm the childish one and here's you with various profiles and changing profiles to get around being blocked
Right well I'm off out now, I work weekends so I'll see you Monday nay Tuesday, I'm on three shifts this weekend, Tara babes "Make sure you give your mum a kiss for me , . Keep up the good work | |||
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"You remind me of that spitting image song. I've never met a nice South African And that's not bloody surprising, man Cause we're a bunch of arrogant bastards "If I could have a pound for every Englishman who has quoted that to me I could fund my own political party. We shall forget that if a song like that were ever written about any other demographic it would be considered racist and offensive. But South Africans have a unique ability to laugh at themselves so you'd have to try a bit harder than that. Perhaps google 'farm murder images' and discover what they have to face on a daily basis and then maybe it will occur to you why a y, sex deprived troll on fab is like water off a ducks back. As to being a South African I'm actually a Zimbabwean. So that didn't work either. Then there's the fact that combining the three profiles I have on fab I have roughly 400 verifications most of which are proudly displayed. So if I had one hidden cam meet in seven months I wouldn't be drawing attention to myself on the popularity stakes. | |||
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"not a good night... what happened? whats the solution?" Not listening to the referendum result. Labour areas tended to vote leave. Another was no clear stance on brexit | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories."You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted. | |||
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"Omg the reality of last night is kicking in strong now on the left. I thought you lot were meant to be the emphatic carey warey loveys. If you can't deal with one mans opinion on the tinternet without being nasty bully boys you wanna wrap it up and admit defeat
To be honest I am sad for this country. I placed a vote which was in my own worst interests as a high income earner, simply because I am sympathetic to some of my lady friends who are single mothers trying to get by. On the flip side of that I shall have more disposable cash to help them out with so, its not all bad.
Making me feel better though is having people like you remind me that even though the country will be worse off, a majority did it to themselves and deserve what's coming to them.
Since I'm planning to move my business offshore, your natoonal self destruction is neither here nor there. I was only here for the pound and since your Brexit croud have so successfully devalued it there is nothing left more me except the delightful company of people such as yourself, the glorious sunshine, well run NHS and smooth flowing traffic .
Awww that's so sweet looking after the women you've knocked up while away on work.
I'm gonna have to think better of you from now on.
Yeah, that is correct , I am a man in demand, apart from the obvious what do you think is preventing you from meeting people in here, social anxiety? Lack of confidence? .
You wanna try and remember which profile your using when replying to me fabman this is a conversation I was having with the other one
I have just realised why you haven’t met anyone and can’t accommodate? You still live with your mum .
Oh I wish.
No seriously why did you reply to a conversation I was having with South African Sam as if you were him with "that's because I'm a man in demand"
I reckon those who blocked you blocked you for a bloody good reason and it's your way of getting around that yeah?.
Seriously your telling me I'm the childish one and here's you with various profiles and changing profiles to get around being blocked
Right well I'm off out now, I work weekends so I'll see you Monday nay Tuesday, I'm on three shifts this weekend, Tara babes "The step change in average IQ of the forum was something was almost palpable. I am overcome with a sense of pleasure akin to having a painful wisdom tooth removed. I now have another reason to love weekends and hate Monday's
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted."They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic. I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic. | |||
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"The idiots and the left wing radicals took over the party and the population didn't want radical racists running the country that's what went wrong. But we have radical racists running the country right now. Just right wing" Yes. It's called the Establishment. And it's joined at the hip with Conservative and Unionist Party. | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted."Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there. | |||
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Simple.
Get rid of the current Labour on the front bench.
All of them.
I don't mean just remove them from the shadow, but from the party all together.
Start afresh.
It hasn't worked.
Look inward, see the problem, fix the problem, win.
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there. "The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected. | |||
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Simple.
Get rid of the current Labour on the front bench.
All of them.
I don't mean just remove them from the shadow, but from the party all together.
Start afresh.
It hasn't worked.
Look inward, see the problem, fix the problem, win.
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic."No logic dictates the people voted for something they wanted not because they were conned, as i said before are you that superior to millions of people because you can see they were conned and they could not or are you just bitter because you didnt get what you wanted? | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.No logic dictates the people voted for something they wanted not because they were conned, as i said before are you that superior to millions of people because you can see they were conned and they could not or are you just bitter because you didnt get what you wanted?"What I said was logical. You just didn't seem to understand me. Etymology and all that. And I've already said what I feel. I feel sorry for those who were conned. The poorest who need the most help are already suffering under the Tories. It seems likely they will suffer more under more Tory rule. | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there.
The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected."When you have a one party state then as Truman once said "the buck stops here". Of course immgrants will be to blame, but then they will be asked who is keeping the immigrants? Labour? We will be watching for all these hospitals and nurses with no raise in taxes. Interesting. | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.No logic dictates the people voted for something they wanted not because they were conned, as i said before are you that superior to millions of people because you can see they were conned and they could not or are you just bitter because you didnt get what you wanted?
What I said was logical. You just didn't seem to understand me. Etymology and all that.
And I've already said what I feel. I feel sorry for those who were conned. The poorest who need the most help are already suffering under the Tories. It seems likely they will suffer more under more Tory rule."It seems to me you are in denial mate millions of people didnt believe what i believed i cant possibly be wrong they must have been conned. | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic."Amazing how Tory lies won. They ALL blooming lie! Labour lost because they refused to follow the will of their voters mainly in the Labour heartlands. They are also too wrapped up in the SE where their bite held, thinking those in the heartlands would NEVER vote Tory. They were told in no uncertain terms that first & foremost you do what your members & voters bloody tell you to do or face their wraith. No Tory lies, just Labour being dumb... S | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there.
The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected.
When you have a one party state then as Truman once said "the buck stops here". Of course immgrants will be to blame, but then they will be asked who is keeping the immigrants? Labour?
We will be watching for all these hospitals and nurses with no raise in taxes. Interesting. "It is a nice thought that the Tories might reap a future electoral whirlwind. But they've been awful for the past 9 and a bit years, and that didn't stop them winning big... | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.
Amazing how Tory lies won. They ALL blooming lie!
Labour lost because they refused to follow the will of their voters mainly in the Labour heartlands. They are also too wrapped up in the SE where their bite held, thinking those in the heartlands would NEVER vote Tory.
They were told in no uncertain terms that first & foremost you do what your members & voters bloody tell you to do or face their wraith.
No Tory lies, just Labour being dumb...
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.
Amazing how Tory lies won. They ALL blooming lie!
Labour lost because they refused to follow the will of their voters mainly in the Labour heartlands. They are also too wrapped up in the SE where their bite held, thinking those in the heartlands would NEVER vote Tory.
They were told in no uncertain terms that first & foremost you do what your members & voters bloody tell you to do or face their wraith.
No Tory lies, just Labour being dumb...
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That's one of the most insidious factors. The Tories lied so much and so blatantly. And the result was what you just said. Many people think "they all lie! They're all the same!".
They're not.
"No, they lie for different reasons. You didn’t disagree with m statement that they lost because they didn’t follow the will of their core voters in the heartlands though who pretty much voted to leave in the referendum? Corbyn chose to ignore them, yesterday they chose to return the compliment, no Tory lies were needed, just a fudged leadership. You are perpetuating lies by not accepting the Tory lies had less to do with the outcome than the Labour party betrayal of its voters. S | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.
Amazing how Tory lies won. They ALL blooming lie!
Labour lost because they refused to follow the will of their voters mainly in the Labour heartlands. They are also too wrapped up in the SE where their bite held, thinking those in the heartlands would NEVER vote Tory.
They were told in no uncertain terms that first & foremost you do what your members & voters bloody tell you to do or face their wraith.
No Tory lies, just Labour being dumb...
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That's one of the most insidious factors. The Tories lied so much and so blatantly. And the result was what you just said. Many people think "they all lie! They're all the same!".
They're not.
No, they lie for different reasons. You didn’t disagree with m statement that they lost because they didn’t follow the will of their core voters in the heartlands though who pretty much voted to leave in the referendum? Corbyn chose to ignore them, yesterday they chose to return the compliment, no Tory lies were needed, just a fudged leadership.
You are perpetuating lies by not accepting the Tory lies had less to do with the outcome than the Labour party betrayal of its voters.
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
They voted tory for many reasons. Many of those reasons were based on lies told by Tories or their right wing press, though. Hence those people were conned. Logic.
I know it's likely pointless saying this to you as you seem immune to logic.
Amazing how Tory lies won. They ALL blooming lie!
Labour lost because they refused to follow the will of their voters mainly in the Labour heartlands. They are also too wrapped up in the SE where their bite held, thinking those in the heartlands would NEVER vote Tory.
They were told in no uncertain terms that first & foremost you do what your members & voters bloody tell you to do or face their wraith.
No Tory lies, just Labour being dumb...
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That's one of the most insidious factors. The Tories lied so much and so blatantly. And the result was what you just said. Many people think "they all lie! They're all the same!".
They're not.
No, they lie for different reasons. You didn’t disagree with m statement that they lost because they didn’t follow the will of their core voters in the heartlands though who pretty much voted to leave in the referendum? Corbyn chose to ignore them, yesterday they chose to return the compliment, no Tory lies were needed, just a fudged leadership.
You are perpetuating lies by not accepting the Tory lies had less to do with the outcome than the Labour party betrayal of its voters.
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I did say earlier the Labour loss was due to the election being made all about Brexit.
I also said at some point Corbyn was a factor too.
But the endless Tory and press lies had a huge effect too."I wouldn’t disagree, Just a little ironic that if all the parties had told their MP’s to follow their constituents Brexit votes. Corbyn & Swinson would still be there to cajole Johnson into making some right decisions occasionally. It would also give all parties an “Out” should things go tits up. “We only did what the electorate told us to do?”. Instead their faffing & blocking has cost three years, theirs & many other good MP’s their jobs & given us another five years under the Tories in which they can pretty much do as they please. Overall a disaster for them of epic proportions. S | |||
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"Bad loosers, blaming everybody else expect themselves. Despite what you think people are not stupid. They work, run houses and families, are managers, nurses, employ other people. Yes they can be bankers and estate agents as well. These are not stupid nieve people. As I said elsewhere, More people preferred Boris Johnson and the Conservatives policies than Jeremy Corbyn and Labour's policies. Its so bloody obvious. " More people voted Tory. There's no arguing with that fact. | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there.
The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected.
When you have a one party state then as Truman once said "the buck stops here". Of course immgrants will be to blame, but then they will be asked who is keeping the immigrants? Labour?
We will be watching for all these hospitals and nurses with no raise in taxes. Interesting.
It is a nice thought that the Tories might reap a future electoral whirlwind. But they've been awful for the past 9 and a bit years, and that didn't stop them winning big... "Well next time around they won't have Corbyn to paint black. He took an honorable stance in a dirty fight where nice guys finish last. They may or may not have Brexit to cling on to in five years time. I'm tempted to say that the majority might be fooled after 8 years but then I used that logic after 3. Then a lot of the baby boomers for whom isolation sounds peachy will be replaced by a younger generation more concerned about their future, environmentally and in terms of travel and prosperity. | |||
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" Even though I've never voted Labour I did quite like Blair
Well he wouldn't have been completely out of place in the conservative party of the time - a little wishy washy and moderate - but not a complete outlier.
It's odd though - most conservatives I know have a deep and passionate hatred of Blair that exceeds their dislike of Corbyn - and it's always mystified me, there's very little he did as PM that someone like John Major or perhaps Ken Clarke wouldn't have done in his place."Well apart from the fact that he got us into the Iraq war that had more to do with George W Bush and oil than WMDs. And we have him to thank for the ongoing terrorist attacks.... | |||
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"Take Brexit & the last 3 years out of the GE & there is no way in the Darkest reaches of the universe , this result would have been so bad. Parlsiment F*cking around for 3 years & ignoring the referendilum is the only reason it was so bad. Believe anything else , then you understand nothing of the nuainces of politics. The story party may have won but not by that margin. "
Look where they lost biggest, compare it to the referendum vote map. Anything else is flim flam. It wasn’t Corbyn, it wasn’t the NHS or Tory lies, It was the parties betrayal of their meat & two veg voters in the Labour heartlands.
Any other excuse given is just denial of this fact. Basically they said “Well if you aren’t going to listen & ignore us we’ll vote for the guy we know will get us out”.
Democracy won yesterday, party politics lost & just maybe they might now do as they are asked in future as if the Labour heartlands can do it as a show of democratic strength then so can anyone else.
It now really is “Ignore your support at your peril & take nothing for granted”.
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" Even though I've never voted Labour I did quite like Blair
Well he wouldn't have been completely out of place in the conservative party of the time - a little wishy washy and moderate - but not a complete outlier.
It's odd though - most conservatives I know have a deep and passionate hatred of Blair that exceeds their dislike of Corbyn - and it's always mystified me, there's very little he did as PM that someone like John Major or perhaps Ken Clarke wouldn't have done in his place.
Well apart from the fact that he got us into the Iraq war that had more to do with George W Bush and oil than WMDs. And we have him to thank for the ongoing terrorist attacks...."You mean like just like John Major did in 1990 for many of the same reasons with Bush senior? Like I said - there's very little Blair did that someone like Major wouldn't. Thank you for reinforcing my point. | |||
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" Even though I've never voted Labour I did quite like Blair
Well he wouldn't have been completely out of place in the conservative party of the time - a little wishy washy and moderate - but not a complete outlier.
It's odd though - most conservatives I know have a deep and passionate hatred of Blair that exceeds their dislike of Corbyn - and it's always mystified me, there's very little he did as PM that someone like John Major or perhaps Ken Clarke wouldn't have done in his place.
Well apart from the fact that he got us into the Iraq war that had more to do with George W Bush and oil than WMDs. And we have him to thank for the ongoing terrorist attacks....
You mean like just like John Major did in 1990 for many of the same reasons with Bush senior?
Like I said - there's very little Blair did that someone like Major wouldn't.
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" Even though I've never voted Labour I did quite like Blair
Well he wouldn't have been completely out of place in the conservative party of the time - a little wishy washy and moderate - but not a complete outlier.
It's odd though - most conservatives I know have a deep and passionate hatred of Blair that exceeds their dislike of Corbyn - and it's always mystified me, there's very little he did as PM that someone like John Major or perhaps Ken Clarke wouldn't have done in his place.
Well apart from the fact that he got us into the Iraq war that had more to do with George W Bush and oil than WMDs. And we have him to thank for the ongoing terrorist attacks....
You mean like just like John Major did in 1990 for many of the same reasons with Bush senior?
Like I said - there's very little Blair did that someone like Major wouldn't.
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there.
The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected.
When you have a one party state then as Truman once said "the buck stops here". Of course immgrants will be to blame, but then they will be asked who is keeping the immigrants? Labour?
We will be watching for all these hospitals and nurses with no raise in taxes. Interesting.
It is a nice thought that the Tories might reap a future electoral whirlwind. But they've been awful for the past 9 and a bit years, and that didn't stop them winning big...
Well next time around they won't have Corbyn to paint black. He took an honorable stance in a dirty fight where nice guys finish last. They may or may not have Brexit to cling on to in five years time. I'm tempted to say that the majority might be fooled after 8 years but then I used that logic after 3. Then a lot of the baby boomers for whom isolation sounds peachy will be replaced by a younger generation more concerned about their future, environmentally and in terms of travel and prosperity. "The younger generation coming up on the rails? Good luck with that. The younger generation eventually grow up. As Churchill once said. "He who is not a Socialist at 20, has no heart. He who is not a Conservative at 30, has no brain" | |||
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"What went wrong? Corbyn let Johnson have an election. From that point on, Johnson and the Tories made it all about Brexit as they knew that's what people would be voting based on. So the Tories could lie with impunity and ignore their awful record in government. As long as they kept shouting "Brexit!" loud enough and long enough, they knew plenty of people would simply hear that word. And people wouldn't stop to think, "but wasn't the Brexit problem caused by Tories? Weren't the Tories the one who failed to deliver Brexit for the past 3 years?"You really do have a low opinion of the British public.
I just feel sorry for people who were conned by the Tories.You seem to think that you have some superior knowledge than the millions who voted for the tories last night, they were not conned they are not stupid they voted because it was what they wanted.
Actually this is quite nice. The Tories won't have Labour to blame any more. Just lots and lots of promises to keep (and many miles before they sleep) so no pressure there.
The Tories will still blame others, though. My guess is they'll try and blame all the country's problems on the EU or immigrants. But who knows? Maybe they'll surprise me and blame somebody completely unexpected.
When you have a one party state then as Truman once said "the buck stops here". Of course immgrants will be to blame, but then they will be asked who is keeping the immigrants? Labour?
We will be watching for all these hospitals and nurses with no raise in taxes. Interesting.
It is a nice thought that the Tories might reap a future electoral whirlwind. But they've been awful for the past 9 and a bit years, and that didn't stop them winning big...
Well next time around they won't have Corbyn to paint black. He took an honorable stance in a dirty fight where nice guys finish last. They may or may not have Brexit to cling on to in five years time. I'm tempted to say that the majority might be fooled after 8 years but then I used that logic after 3. Then a lot of the baby boomers for whom isolation sounds peachy will be replaced by a younger generation more concerned about their future, environmentally and in terms of travel and prosperity.
The younger generation coming up on the rails?
Good luck with that. The younger generation eventually grow up.
As Churchill once said.
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"Its a new day in politics: Abernath well said Solution, Get rid of Corbyn and momentum All labour voters up in the north east said they can not vote for Corbyn - stuck in his london bubble with Kia Starma - lost the north - did not listen to us - fucked up Labour AND maybe un fixable ..." Thanks
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