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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

Don't forget 'Harvesting off the NHS to the Americans"

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

"Scottish Independence"

And

"Possible resumption of hostilities in NI"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

Not really, it was all about Brexit, the rest is irrelevant. Once ‘Brexit is done’ labour will win back all the seat they lost in leave areas .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

Sort of.

Without asking every voter what made them choose the decision they did then you'll never know but there will be many more factors some people will have taken into account before voting how they did.

Take the rejection of Corbyn and labour from my point of view.

I'm all for multiculturalism and immigration, trade unions are important but can be too powerful. I can understand a people's vote yet can also understand why there shouldn't be one but I do not like Corbyn's pacifism and hatred towards Trump, though I do think Trump's a complete cock end.

I finally chose to continue voting Tory in the end but I didn't choose Brexit, I know Boris is a serial liar but a positive relationship with the US is important but I do think it will be a very one sided one at that.

Many will have voted on just one single issue, I hope many more voted on a combination of issues, I voted the way I did because I believe the Tories "plans" are potentially less damaging than Labours were.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

I'm not sure we can draw as many conclusions as that.

I think what we can be confident about is that a lot of traditional Labour votes want Brexit and/or hate Corbyn.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I'm not sure we can draw as many conclusions as that.

I think what we can be confident about is that a lot of traditional Labour votes want Brexit and/or hate Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure we can draw as many conclusions as that.

I think what we can be confident about is that a lot of traditional Labour votes want Brexit and/or hate Corbyn.

That sounds depressingly likely.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"
your list in my view is wrong on what both parties stand for so not relevant

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

""Scottish Independence"

And

"Possible resumption of hostilities in NI""

Hostilities never stopped

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""Scottish Independence"

And

"Possible resumption of hostilities in NI"

Hostilities never stopped"

yes they have....ya proddie-fenian-muslim-loyalist-republican!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure we can draw as many conclusions as that.

I think what we can be confident about is that a lot of traditional Labour votes want Brexit and/or hate Corbyn.

Yup

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?your list in my view is wrong on what both parties stand for so not relevant "

I think it's a fair list on both parties stances, what don't you agree with?

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"I think it's a fair list on both parties stances, what don't you agree with? "

Literally all of Labour's beliefs and policies bar pacifism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem with labour party is in the list you mentioned.

Social justice, Multiculturalism and Anti-Semitism. Right wing parties are rising up everywhere. This is because most left wing parties all around the world have been proven to be hypocrites by their actions. If you claim that you fight for social justice, you can't be anti-semitic. That's hypocrisy right there.

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?your list in my view is wrong on what both parties stand for so not relevant "

So a list that you don't share a view with is not relevant?

I think it's a very accurate list which the OP has either copied from somewhere or spent fair amount of time pondering. Far more relevant than your one line garbage replies...

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"I think it's a very accurate list which the OP has either copied from somewhere or spent fair amount of time pondering. Far more relevant than your one line garbage replies..."

Not copied from anywhere, it's the vibe I get from both parties. Mainly the labour front bench in their case.

I think it's what turned off voters in many cases.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's simple really..

When Cameron won an election it was put down to the Cameron effect..

Labours losses are totally down to the Corbyn effect

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The two things you can take from your list are that a; the conservatives had the resources to buy the best campaigning and fought a dirty battle which they won hands down, and b: that Labour were hopelessly out of their league with their campaign. Everything else you have listed is prejudice one way or another and thats all their is to it. Labour went left and suffered a humiliating defeat and its quite feasible at the moment that they will break apart but then conservatism has equally lurched towards the right and lost many of its moderating influences. Its not a great time to be picking over the bones because nobody comes out of this looking good but at least we know where we are going now. Brexit will happen in the new year followed by crashing out without a deal and life will change.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

From a neutral objective perspective,it would appear very little has changed in terms of people's opinions.

Theresa May was declared a failure here for getting just over 1% less votes than Boris who is now lauded as an incredible success. May took the % of the vote from 37 to just over 42. Boris hasn't added very much to that at all. While the parliamentary majority is decisive, the popular vote is far from that, and the majority of people still voted for pro remain parties.

Surely that's just a little bit troubling?

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"Theresa May was declared a failure here for getting just over 1% less votes than Boris who is now lauded as an incredible success. "

Votes really don't matter. If they did, we'd have 6 or 7 Brexit MPs, and a few Greens.

Seats count.

Boris won far more seats than May.

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

I voted Labour and I voted remain with regards to Brexit.I can understand why Corbyn lost as I guess to the majority he is just not electable for various reasons.So now Johnson is our Prime Minster and with a majority of 80 should be left alone be to push his Brexit plans through and his other plans for the UK with regards to NHS , Welfare , Education etc , etc , etc.There is nothing I or anyone else can do other than wait until the next election see what the government has done for us.If the government have been good for us .Then make our decision on what party we want to govern us.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

Not really, it was all about Brexit, the rest is irrelevant. Once ‘Brexit is done’ labour will win back all the seat they lost in leave areas . "
not until they actually start listening to the people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

This is nearly as rediculous as your pro race hate posts.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It's simple really..

When Cameron won an election it was put down to the Cameron effect..

Labours losses are totally down to the Corbyn effect "
Well yes it was Corbyn as people do not love Boris well not many

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Hidden taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) A Clown figure in Boris Johnson

5) A Fool who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A submissive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel relationship

8) A Buffoon who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism attack by the right wing oress

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

Ive amended that for you.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

As a country we have chosen ;

Brexit ( twice now)

As a country we have rejected

A useless beardy twat

Free broadband

Spending / borrowing we could never have ever paid back until a new government replaced them only to take years unravelling the almighty mess

Anti semetism

God knows how many more years of uncertainty, delay, dither and rudderless leadership

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

I watched quite a bit of election coverage and in almost every constituency, when the losing MP got go his /her feet to say a few words, they respectfully congratulated the victor in the contest. It’s generally accepted that’s what you do. Its polite and shows manners and humility. And in all previous general elections I’ve watched ( which is quite a few), the losing leader of the opposition or ousted PM does the same . They congratulate their opponent. Only one person hasn’t done that. And we all know who that twat is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a country we have chosen ;

Brexit ( twice now)

So wrong but keep bashing the drum lol

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Not really, it was all about Brexit, the rest is irrelevant. Once ‘Brexit is done’ labour will win back all the seat they lost in leave areas . not until they actually start listening to the people "

I agree.

Complacency will destroy Labour.

It's in danger of going the same way it went in Scotland a decade ago and becoming an also-ran.

Then, it was the perception that Labour simply saw Scotland as a stepping stone to power at Westminster.

Today, it's the perception the party gives more priority to obscure minority interests and trendy urban causes than it does to wider society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I watched quite a bit of election coverage and in almost every constituency, when the losing MP got go his /her feet to say a few words, they respectfully congratulated the victor in the contest. It’s generally accepted that’s what you do. Its polite and shows manners and humility. And in all previous general elections I’ve watched ( which is quite a few), the losing leader of the opposition or ousted PM does the same . They congratulate their opponent. Only one person hasn’t done that. And we all know who that twat is."

The election is over. That anti Corbyn propaganda is over. He's not going to lead labour into the next election. And yet you're still harping on about him.

I've never seen anyone swallow propaganda as hard as you seem to have.

Move on with your life.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The election is over. That anti Corbyn propaganda is over. He's not going to lead labour into the next election. And yet you're still harping on about him.

I've never seen anyone swallow propaganda as hard as you seem to have.

Move on with your life."

Me?... swallow propoganda ? Lol lol lol lol. So everyone in those labour heartlands swallowed propoganda?. In fact the whole country swallowed propoganda?. Maybe ask the majority of the labour PLP about that propoganda. See what they say. Oh yeah- that’s right, that anti semetism in the Labour Party ; more bloody propoganda lol lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The election is over. That anti Corbyn propaganda is over. He's not going to lead labour into the next election. And yet you're still harping on about him.

I've never seen anyone swallow propaganda as hard as you seem to have.

Move on with your life.

I think you just won the argument for me.

The evidence is right there. The Tories lied in 88% of their electioneering.

People who will suffer the most under more Tory rule voted for them. These same people who have been crushed under austerity, voted for more austerity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If Labour had ditched the far left and became a bit more moderate with a credible leader then they might have won.

I was personally annoyed by the Labour and lib dem promises to either revoke article 50 or hold a second referendum. I may not agree with the 'leave' referendum but its anti democratic to try and hold another vote (or cancel it entirely) because you don't agree with the first one.

I suspect that issue, and also a dislike of corbyn himself, that caused the Labour collapse this time. The mans seventies style of politics were just hopelessly out of touch.

As David Blunket said recently - the Labour Party should get rid of corbyn and his cult and introduce a more sensible leadership with some believable policies.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be fair.. If 12%, of the information was true then that's not bad for modern politics..

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The election is over. That anti Corbyn propaganda is over. He's not going to lead labour into the next election. And yet you're still harping on about him.

I've never seen anyone swallow propaganda as hard as you seem to have.

Move on with your life.

I think you just won the argument for me.

The evidence is right there. The Tories lied in 88% of their electioneering.

People who will suffer the most under more Tory rule voted for them. These same people who have been crushed under austerity, voted for more austerity."

People voted for more suffering ????... ha ha you’re so funny. Got to go here..... the hunt starts soon and I need to prep my steed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Labour had ditched the far left and became a bit more moderate with a credible leader then they might have won.

I suspect that issue, and also a dislike of corbyn himself, that caused the Labour collapse this time. The mans seventies style of politics were just hopelessly out of touch.

As David Blunket said recently - the Labour Party should get rid of corbyn and his cult and introduce a more sensible leadership with some believable policies.

Not that I'm in favour of another referendum. But how can having more democracy be anti-democratic?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Broader immigration, from around the world.

Loss of the trade deals that we benefit from with 60 odd countries and that our money paid for, now needing to start again, where we again pay for new deals to be negotiated, potentially without reasonable conclusion.

Increased business costs for imports and exports, due to increased formalities, border and logistics time and costs and potential disputes over standards.

Increased NHS costs, due to reduced social support and care services. Lowered NHS service standards.

Reduced UK citizen employment prospects in the EU also resulting in potential lowered UK employee expertise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The election is over. That anti Corbyn propaganda is over. He's not going to lead labour into the next election. And yet you're still harping on about him.

I've never seen anyone swallow propaganda as hard as you seem to have.

Move on with your life.

I think you just won the argument for me.

The evidence is right there. The Tories lied in 88% of their electioneering.

People who will suffer the most under more Tory rule voted for them. These same people who have been crushed under austerity, voted for more austerity.

People voted for more suffering ????... ha ha you’re so funny. Got to go here..... the hunt starts soon and I need to prep my steed."

Your posts are so outlandish and are only focussed on trying to perpetuate what the mainstream media are peddling in their anti Corbyn agenda that I don't see any point in reading or replying anymore.

I tried.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Labour had ditched the far left and became a bit more moderate with a credible leader then they might have won.

I suspect that issue, and also a dislike of corbyn himself, that caused the Labour collapse this time. The mans seventies style of politics were just hopelessly out of touch.

As David Blunket said recently - the Labour Party should get rid of corbyn and his cult and introduce a more sensible leadership with some believable policies.

Not that I'm in favour of another referendum. But how can having more democracy be anti-democratic?

Because once you have a vote, you are supposed to carry it through. Having a vote, and then immediately wanting another vote in order to try and get a different result, nullifies the purpose.

If that was a good democratic principle then should the population that didn't want a Conservative government be permitted to lobby for a second general election to get the result that they wanted?

The point is. The bite didn't need more democracy. It was done correctly. There is no need to ask a second time. If I had voted leave I would surely object to that. I voted remain and I still object to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Labour had ditched the far left and became a bit more moderate with a credible leader then they might have won.

I suspect that issue, and also a dislike of corbyn himself, that caused the Labour collapse this time. The mans seventies style of politics were just hopelessly out of touch.

As David Blunket said recently - the Labour Party should get rid of corbyn and his cult and introduce a more sensible leadership with some believable policies.

Not that I'm in favour of another referendum. But how can having more democracy be anti-democratic?

Because once you have a vote, you are supposed to carry it through. Having a vote, and then immediately wanting another vote in order to try and get a different result, nullifies the purpose.

If that was a good democratic principle then should the population that didn't want a Conservative government be permitted to lobby for a second general election to get the result that they wanted?

Carry what out though? There are 100s of variations of "leave" and none of what was promised during the campaign is close to what's currently on offer.

Again. I'm not in favour of another referendum.

But it appeared that the suggestion was a referendum on a choice between the actual type of brexit on the cards and not brexiting. Which is a different question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Labour had ditched the far left and became a bit more moderate with a credible leader then they might have won.

I suspect that issue, and also a dislike of corbyn himself, that caused the Labour collapse this time. The mans seventies style of politics were just hopelessly out of touch.

As David Blunket said recently - the Labour Party should get rid of corbyn and his cult and introduce a more sensible leadership with some believable policies.

Not that I'm in favour of another referendum. But how can having more democracy be anti-democratic?

Because once you have a vote, you are supposed to carry it through. Having a vote, and then immediately wanting another vote in order to try and get a different result, nullifies the purpose.

If that was a good democratic principle then should the population that didn't want a Conservative government be permitted to lobby for a second general election to get the result that they wanted?

Carry what out though? There are 100s of variations of "leave" and none of what was promised during the campaign is close to what's currently on offer.

Again. I'm not in favour of another referendum.

But it appeared that the suggestion was a referendum on a choice between the actual type of brexit on the cards and not brexiting. Which is a different question."

I got the impression that the lib dems said they would revoke article 50 totally (which I object to) whilst Labour said they would hold a second referendum where one of the choices would be 'no Brexit'. That's what I also object to. There's been a vote. I might not agree with the result but that's what people voted for and it must be respected.

However I would have no personal issue with a second referendum saying 'OK. You agreed on Brexit. What sort of Brexit do you want?" I don't think that's been offered though.

If I'm wrong, then I guess labour should have made that clearer...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ps. I looked it up to check. Corbyn stated at the labour manifesto launch:

We’ll secure a sensible deal that protects manufacturing and the Good Friday Agreement, and then put it to a public vote alongside the option of remaining in the EU.

In a nutshell, this must have upset every Labour voter who voted to leave.

There was never any need for a second vote.

It might be sensible to have another vote on how to implement it, but don't insult people by offering another chance to try and change the outcome because you don't like the result the first time. That's the objectionable part.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt"

And why do you think a majority feel that way?

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?"

Well, judging by your posts on here, I'd say there is some kind of ingrained prejudice or just a lack of education.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?"

Also, again, just to remind you. The majority *don't* think that way. But y'know... facts and all that. Sorry they get in the way of your rightwing tirades.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?"

I would suggest it's an assumption on your behalf to think all Tory voters have your abhorrent bigoted attitude.

Sure, some might. But many would object to you labelling as such.

Besides. A minority of voters, voted for the Tories.

So in conclusion, you're either wrong, or very wrong. I suspect - very wrong.

And I'll add, if you are a bigot, then any opinion you have on any subject is utterly meaningless.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?

Well, judging by your posts on here, I'd say there is some kind of ingrained prejudice or just a lack of education.

-Matt"

You missed out old to go with the thick and racist insult

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?

Well, judging by your posts on here, I'd say there is some kind of ingrained prejudice or just a lack of education.

-Matt

You missed out old to go with the thick and racist insult"

I'll think you'll find the OP is the only person suggesting that Tories voters are thick or racist.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Yes. I'd agree mostly with that. And it is heartbreaking to see our country moving in that direction.

-Matt

And why do you think a majority feel that way?

Well, judging by your posts on here, I'd say there is some kind of ingrained prejudice or just a lack of education.

-Matt

You missed out old to go with the thick and racist insult"

Their profile is hidden, so I've no idea how old they are.

-Matt

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"Their profile is hidden, so I've no idea how old they are.

-Matt"

Wrong again, it's not. You're just blocked.

35 and 37

Virtually all our friends in their 20's voted Tory too.

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

Still waiting for this Labour "Youthquake"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Their profile is hidden, so I've no idea how old they are.

-Matt

Wrong again, it's not. You're just blocked.

35 and 37

Virtually all our friends in their 20's voted Tory too."

So essentially you are living in your own tory supporting bubble and therefore you feel that you can start bringing out all the macarthyite controls on freedom because you won? Thats not democracy and if you cant see that you genuinely need to step out of your comfort zone

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Their profile is hidden, so I've no idea how old they are.

-Matt

Wrong again, it's not. You're just blocked.

35 and 37

Virtually all our friends in their 20's voted Tory too."

Oh well, my loss I’m sure. Enjoy your bubble.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Their profile is hidden, so I've no idea how old they are.

-Matt

Wrong again, it's not. You're just blocked.

35 and 37

Virtually all our friends in their 20's voted Tory too."

And they're all on your wavelength too?

Sounds like great craic in the circle of hate wherever the fuck you are.

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

Well, so much for civilised discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well, so much for civilised discussion."

You're the pro race hate and pro free speech person.

Does free speech only apply to hate speech? Or can none bigots talk too?

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By *hMyGawd OP Couple over a year ago

Midlands

"Well, so much for civilised discussion.

You're the pro race hate and pro free speech person.

Does free speech only apply to hate speech? Or can none bigots talk too?"

I'm all for respectful discussion

You are very bigoted against my legitimate political views.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?"

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Anti Corbyn Agenda? He hung himself by his own petard ..

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong."

We have a thing called an electoral system and democracy that has been in place just about longer than anywhere else on Earth. It’s the envy of the world ( a bit like the NHS, the BBC and Henry Cooper). Torys got elected with 365 seats. It was fair and square. If anyone doesn’t like it they can fuck off (IMHO).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

The population may have but it's impossible to calculate when there's so many aspects of the election to consider and reasons for voting or not voting for them and the lack of good quality opposition and one polorising major issue such as Brexit.

The main test will be in 5 years if we have a good opposition and no major aspect such as Brexit that may skew the voting tenancies.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

I did not say that the election result was iligitimate did I?

I just stated that the OPs conclusions are not represented by any of the data.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

I did not say that the election result was iligitimate did I?

I just stated that the OPs conclusions are not represented by any of the data."

Reading comprehension is not this guy's strong point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Corbyn did congratulate boris Johnson in the houses of parliament though! I saw it myself on the news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had a short chat today with the partner of a local Labour MP and he told me that the view amongst the sensible is that Corbyn was the problem. The mixed messages he gave on Brexit made him untrustworthy to the northern voters and the relentless media campaign against him bringing up his support for palestinians etc made him look like a security risk to most of the working class voters. In the party itself there is a great deal of anger directed at him for not taking the fight to the tories and the press and for not pushing the manifesto harder. There will be consequences!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I had a short chat today with the partner of a local Labour MP and he told me that the view amongst the sensible is that Corbyn was the problem. The mixed messages he gave on Brexit made him untrustworthy to the northern voters and the relentless media campaign against him bringing up his support for palestinians etc made him look like a security risk to most of the working class voters. In the party itself there is a great deal of anger directed at him for not taking the fight to the tories and the press and for not pushing the manifesto harder. There will be consequences!"

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By *rSinCityMan over a year ago

London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

I always laugh when the brits say nonsense that your electoral system is "the envy or the jewel of the world". Politicians usually use this to boost some nationalist feelings for people to feel special. In reality UK is constitutional monarchy with electoral system made so, that only 2 parties ever ruled the country, it's such a crap that you are one step from becoming like China or Soviet union, there was only one party in power. Or even one step from absolute monarchy.

I am from Eastern fucking Europe and still we have a better system, where we elect our president and in general elections there are 2 lists for voting. One for local representative and the other for parties countrywide. This way even the smaller parties get elected MPs if they have widespread support in entire country.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Er, no.

The UK has been a democracy since 1927 or so - less than 100 years.

If the electoral system here is the envy of the world, please name the countries queuing up to copy it?

Otherwise your post just reeks of exceptionalism.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?"

You said it yourself; eastern fucking europe. Which respected country would that be. ?. In the UK we have PR in other types of election, most notably here in Northern Ireland where in the assembly , smaller parties are represented. At least we have a 2 party system here in the UK. Many countries in the east just have murdering despots in charge

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By *rSinCityMan over a year ago

London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?

I'm talking about electoral systems, not countries as a whole.Eastern European countries are improving very fast. Most of the countries got their independence back only few decades ago, so it takes time.

Simply said the system I mentioned is better. But it will never be used in UK. Which ruling party would agree to share power with smaller parties? And you need majority in parliament to even try to change the system.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Don't forget 'Harvesting off the NHS to the Americans""

The biggest, most expensive, calamity the NHS has ever suffered was courtesy of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown with their massive expansion of PFI’s in the NHS ( and other large infrastructure projects). The treasury is locked into these projects for years to come with £billions leaching out of the NHS into private hands. All explained in the “The great NHS Heist”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't forget 'Harvesting off the NHS to the Americans"

Yawn! Did your MP lose their seat?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?

To be fair, some have done well and some poorly.

Poland and Hungary in particular not keen on the a free press or an independent judiciary.

Never mind though, a model for us to follow as that is Cummings' next plan. We all know that Boris is there just to make the dismantling of our system of democry look clownish

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?

Your system is better?. Erm.... this is the UK. Not a third world country ending in ‘stan’

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"What do the Tories and Labour stand for?

As a country, we have chosen

1) Brexit

2) Low taxes and austerity

3) No big spending on public services

4) An authority figure in Boris Johnson

5) A leader who is not afraid to upset or offend people. This is a huge rejection of political correctness

6) A positive relationship with Trump's America

7) A pro Israel stance

8) A leader who most people believe is a liar

In rejecting Labour, the people have also explicitly rejected what Corbyns Labour stands for.

Rejection of...

1) Jeremy Corbyn himself

2) A "people's vote"

3) Social justice

4) Multiculturalism and pro-immigration

5) Feminism

6) Socialism

7) Increases in benefits

8) Antisemitism

9) Contempt of Donald Trump

10) Trade unions and nationalisation

11) Pacifism

12) Support for Palestine

I'd like to think this is a fairly objective list of the sorts of beliefs and policies of the two parties.

The country has moved further to the right than ever before.

Fair comment?

The Tory party won 44% of the vote. The DUP won 0.8% and the Brexit Party Ltd less than 0.4%

The Conservative vote rose by only 1.2% compared to 2017.

So, most of the country did not vote for anything that you listed.

The Labour did lose support (8%)

It is not possible to say what thw electorate voted against in your list although the majority did vote against most of what you think they support.

You seem confused between having power and representing the population's views.

Parliament has moved to the right. The population hasn't.

You are pretty much completely wrong.

So in general, how the fuck UK electoral system is the shining example in the world, if it is Constitutional monarchy with unelected house of lords and 2 party system?

Your system is better?. Erm.... this is the UK. Not a third world country ending in ‘stan’"

Get a grip.

That was disappointing even for this forum

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By *rSinCityMan over a year ago

London

Your system is better?. Erm.... this is the UK. Not a third world country ending in ‘stan’"

Perfect example of ignorance

"oh we are the UK, we are the best, rule Britannia, bring back the empire!"

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Your system is better?. Erm.... this is the UK. Not a third world country ending in ‘stan’

Perfect example of ignorance

"oh we are the UK, we are the best, rule Britannia, bring back the empire!"

Well said

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

The envy of the world?

Your electoral system might be the envy of the third world but that's about the height of it.

FPTP is not a democratic voting system.

Also... The empire is gone lads, let it go.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The envy of the world?

Your electoral system might be the envy of the third world but that's about the height of it.

FPTP is not a democratic voting system.

Also... The empire is gone lads, let it go. "

Corporations who run governments are very envious. Look how easy it is to manipulate!

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The envy of the world?

Your electoral system might be the envy of the third world but that's about the height of it.

FPTP is not a democratic voting system.

Also... The empire is gone lads, let it go.

Corporations who run governments are very envious. Look how easy it is to manipulate!"

Look how easy it was for momentum to manipulate the successful election of the last labour leader.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

The envy of the world?

Your electoral system might be the envy of the third world but that's about the height of it.

FPTP is not a democratic voting system.

Also... The empire is gone lads, let it go.

Corporations who run governments are very envious. Look how easy it is to manipulate!

Look how easy it was for momentum to manipulate the successful election of the last labour leader."

...and for the Brexit Party to manipulate the Conservative leader's election

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration."

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed"

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?"

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland."

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?"

So many questions and never an answer. But since you ask; the Home Secretary decides . And if you are the worst type of shite than found on the bottom of a shoe and you r@pe young girls dozens of times and you have an alternative citizenship; get the fuck back there and count yourself lucky . I doubt you would survive in prison in the UNITED KINGDOM.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?"

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a 5 year old

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

Thats a lot of questions. Are you a 5 year old

Excellent point. Well argued. That really told

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be fair I am not sure the Tories are that right wing.. they are not the National Front but anyone compared to Jeremy and Momentum are far right. The labour are so far left at the moment that if they left Southampton for Birmingham they would end up in Belfast

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"To be fair I am not sure the Tories are that right wing.. they are not the National Front but anyone compared to Jeremy and Momentum are far right. The labour are so far left at the moment that if they left Southampton for Birmingham they would end up in Belfast "

Which would be a first considering the Labour Party have abandoned Northern Ireland as they never stand there and furthermore have taken legal action against those who try to stand in solidarity with the British Labour party

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol"

You did feel the need to indicate that I, personally, would not survive in a British prison. Is there a reason for that?

Otherwise clear though.

Criminals should be responsible for the administration of sentwncing. Dependent on where you may be imprisoned and with whom or how physically strong you may be you would be treated differently.

Sounds just like a perfect system.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol

You did feel the need to indicate that I, personally, would not survive in a British prison. Is there a reason for that?

Otherwise clear though.

Criminals should be responsible for the administration of sentwncing. Dependent on where you may be imprisoned and with whom or how physically strong you may be you would be treated differently.

Sounds just like a perfect system."

I wasn’t talking about you ffs

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol

You did feel the need to indicate that I, personally, would not survive in a British prison. Is there a reason for that?

Otherwise clear though.

Criminals should be responsible for the administration of sentwncing. Dependent on where you may be imprisoned and with whom or how physically strong you may be you would be treated differently.

Sounds just like a perfect system.

I wasn’t talking about you ffs"

I re-read what you wrote. I interpreted what you wrote differently. I apologise for that.

The general point that I am making is that the legal system should not be arbitrary.

Someone can have dual citizenship from birth. Not their choice.

However messed up any crime is the punishment for one person should be the same as for another. Otherwise you introduce the opportunity for corruption and abuse of power.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol

You did feel the need to indicate that I, personally, would not survive in a British prison. Is there a reason for that?

Otherwise clear though.

Criminals should be responsible for the administration of sentwncing. Dependent on where you may be imprisoned and with whom or how physically strong you may be you would be treated differently.

Sounds just like a perfect system.

I wasn’t talking about you ffs

I re-read what you wrote. I interpreted what you wrote differently. I apologise for that.

The general point that I am making is that the legal system should not be arbitrary.

Someone can have dual citizenship from birth. Not their choice.

However messed up any crime is the punishment for one person should be the same as for another. Otherwise you introduce the opportunity for corruption and abuse of power."

Elsewhere in the world, it is not uncommon for recent immigrants to lose their immigration status if they commit crimes.

This happens frequently in the world, not only in the United States but elsewhere too, and I see no problem with it happening in the United Kingdom either.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I see you have listed the torys with no negatives lol and yes the country have gone alot more far right with them creating a hostile environment with their view on immigration.

I’m all for a hostile environment when members of child abuse rings get their UK citizenship removed

Should that include British born people?

If not, then that is the law being applied differently depending on who you are.

Is that how you want the law to function?

For those with dual citizenship. Do that crime and you can fuck off back to where you belong. In your shithole of a homeland.

So, the law should function differently.

Based on what? Your opinion?

Let's be specific. Tell me how exactly who decides and using what criteria?

Simple and "obvious" solutions eh?

One British citizen has different rights to another?

Why not a British Christian having different rights to a British Hindu or British Jew?

What about a first generation British citizen to a tenth generation British citizen?

What question did you ask?

So dual citizens and not British citizens.

Still different laws for different people decided arbitrarily by a single individual.

Understood. It's truly a future to hope for.

Useful comment about the UK prison system. Excellent addition to the discussion

Yep - the prison system and their inmates would show them right from wrong lol

You did feel the need to indicate that I, personally, would not survive in a British prison. Is there a reason for that?

Otherwise clear though.

Criminals should be responsible for the administration of sentwncing. Dependent on where you may be imprisoned and with whom or how physically strong you may be you would be treated differently.

Sounds just like a perfect system.

I wasn’t talking about you ffs

I re-read what you wrote. I interpreted what you wrote differently. I apologise for that.

The general point that I am making is that the legal system should not be arbitrary.

Someone can have dual citizenship from birth. Not their choice.

However messed up any crime is the punishment for one person should be the same as for another. Otherwise you introduce the opportunity for corruption and abuse of power.

Elsewhere in the world, it is not uncommon for recent immigrants to lose their immigration status if they commit crimes.

This happens frequently in the world, not only in the United States but elsewhere too, and I see no problem with it happening in the United Kingdom either."

That isn't the discussion.

Being an immigrant is not the same as being a citizen.

It is already the law in the UK that criminal activity effects your immigration status. Essentially a second offence has been committed.

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By *wosmilersCouple over a year ago

Heathrowish

Isn't it ironic that a forum thread headlining "Objective Analysis" descends very quickly into anything but.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

Labour (in fact the left itself) is finished as a party until it drops it's progressive social justice gender studies everybody's racist claptrap, the working class just aren't interested in it or worse still actively hate it.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

WAKE UP and smell the pile of shit your peddling, you've lost Scotland, you've losing the North of England, your losing Wales, all you've got left is metropolitan guardian readers,students and Scousers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Isn't it ironic that a forum thread headlining "Objective Analysis" descends very quickly into anything but.

In fairness is started with "anything but" objective analysis.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

One labour MP who lost here seat is blaming Tony Blair..

And to say you won the political arguements but lost the votes is mystifying to me.

It's as if Labour cannot believe it lost or was so out of touch that they never saw it coming..

Labour became infiltrated by the hard left and the voters rejected them. They keep saying Boris is hard right. Michael Foot was far right compared to this shower of shit who have ruined their party...

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

Not forgetting many regular politics forum contributors ( who probably outnumber the combined labour vote north of Stafford).

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

Not forgetting many regular politics forum contributors ( who probably outnumber the combined labour vote north of Stafford). "

It does amaze me how many lefties are on fab...

This then poses the question whether lefties are predisposed to swinging.. and if so is it rife in the Labour party.. after all, after an orgy we all find it difficult to find the correct shoes don't we ?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

Not forgetting many regular politics forum contributors ( who probably outnumber the combined labour vote north of Stafford).

It does amaze me how many lefties are on fab...

The mind boggles thinking of jezza wearing two right trainers and big Di wearing two left trainers!! as one walks 20 m behind the other as they hobble towards a meeting somewhere

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Proves people do indeed become wiser as they get older

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Proves people do indeed become wiser as they get older

Demonstrably proves the opposite I would say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Proves people do indeed become wiser as they get older

Demonstrably proves the opposite I would say

Good response

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

So to paraphrase.. Labour won the arguement but lost the election.. you can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Proves people do indeed become wiser as they get older

Demonstrably proves the opposite I would say

Good response

Thought you would like it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

So to paraphrase.. Labour won the arguement but lost the election.. you can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd .."

As our glorious leader Bodger will no doubt demonstrate in the months to come - a lying turd is still a lying turd no matter what hat he wears!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Proves people do indeed become wiser as they get older

Demonstrably proves the opposite I would say

Good response

Thought you would like it

Life is too short to take it seriously

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By *miles4himandmeCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'm not sure we can draw as many conclusions as that.

I think what we can be confident about is that a lot of traditional Labour votes want Brexit and/or hate Corbyn.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

So to paraphrase.. Labour won the arguement but lost the election.. you can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd .."

No. This is a direct response to the assertion being made in the post.

The objective data (see thread title) does not support it.

Your paraphrasing is also incorrect. This is simply stating the demographics of the vote.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

So to paraphrase.. Labour won the arguement but lost the election.. you can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd ..

No. This is a direct response to the assertion being made in the post.

The objective data (see thread title) does not support it.

Your paraphrasing is also incorrect. This is simply stating the demographics of the vote."

Analyse how you like..

Result remains..

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be fair.. the Conservative Party won fair and square..

Get over it..

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

So to paraphrase.. Labour won the arguement but lost the election.. you can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd ..

No. This is a direct response to the assertion being made in the post.

The objective data (see thread title) does not support it.

Your paraphrasing is also incorrect. This is simply stating the demographics of the vote.

Analyse how you like..

Result remains.."

I haven't said otherwise. Why are you implying that I did?

Did you understand the point that I was making before commenting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This has been predicted for 20 years+ by various political science experts, I said it on all the other threads and despite the objections from the momentum crew it's still true.

That's all your demographics gone, you couldn't even beat Boris Johnson and ten years of austerity.

The demographics tell a completely different story.

Have a look at the Yougov exit survey, or pick another.

Conservative voters: 69% 70+, 59% 60-69, 49% 50-59, 41% 40-49, 30% 30-39, 23% 20-29, 21% 18-19

People don't become less tolerant as they become older. It is a cohort effect as a consequence of the society that they grow up in.

Older people also have more time and inclination to vote. They are also more likely to believe that they are correct.

The Conservative vote only increased by 1.2%. the Labour fall of 8% was spread mainly between the remaining socially liberal parties.

Now try and patronise me or change the subject or find some other way to try and sound knowledgeable. It's all noise without substance

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I'm just telling you a basic truth, populism isn't a UK phenomenon it's global.

Now you can jabber on and on for all I care but as I'm a centre left voter I really would like to see proper opposition to Boris and your never going to get it in labour until they shift right on culture.

Matthew Goodwin said it best, the right can shift there economic policies left easier than the left can shift there culture polices right.

National Populism and the revolt against liberal democracies, it's an excellent read if you actually want to know what's going on in politics.