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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So do we think we need one now or has this put paid to it once and for all? "
We don’t need one and we will never get one now. The people have voted for The Boris Brexit deal and that is what we will get |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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Things are not always as they appear.
I'm not so sure we've heard the last of this.
The worst case scenario is if Boris actually delivered that awful deal. It's so bad it would be better to remain. I can't see a single advantage to it at all. The EU would have us by the gonads on basically everything but we now have no seat at the table.
So it's Remain minus, but as long as they call it 'Brexit' people just believe them.
It's a deal designed to fail, with no intention of going through so they can keep kicking the can down the road even more with excuses till the second referendum is sorted out, which will be when a remain victory can be guaranteed once enough EU nationals are crammed in - and given housing leaving British people homeless, which has been happening.
On the off chance Boris' trap does actually go through, I can't imagine how it could work or be satisfactory to anyone (See, that was Brexit, we "left" and it didn't work and was a terrible idea).
Anyone thinking Boris is going to get Brexit done because he said so - I'm sorry he has no intention of breaking free. I'll be a shoulder to cry on for many people in the next 18 months or so. |
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Usual case of the silent majority not marching against Brexit, not camping outside of the house of commons shouting "stop Brexit!" Through the lunchtime news, not gluing themselves to buses, and not standing on top of trains. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In my reading of this as an outsider, possibly misinformed, this is the third vote since Brexit first came up (including the referendum) and not once has there been anything like a majority opposing Brexit. Quite the opposite, this last vote seems like the strongest mandate yet from the British people to leave the EU.
So really the only outcome here that respects democracy in any way is to leave, not keep voting on it.
Yes it's unfortunate if you want UK to stay in EU. It might even be unfortunate if you want the UK to stay intact, but no one can argue that it's not what the people want. |
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"There won't be any more referendums or elections until 2024  "
thank god for that. An election in 2015,then2017,then2019 and a referendum in 2016.... 4times within 5 years is ridiculous. The people are sick and have now shown this this time round. Perhaps common sense will now prevail. Although I can't see it on here. |
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"In my reading of this as an outsider, possibly misinformed, this is the third vote since Brexit first came up (including the referendum) and not once has there been anything like a majority opposing Brexit. Quite the opposite, this last vote seems like the strongest mandate yet from the British people to leave the EU.
So really the only outcome here that respects democracy in any way is to leave, not keep voting on it.
Yes it's unfortunate if you want UK to stay in EU. It might even be unfortunate if you want the UK to stay intact, but no one can argue that it's not what the people want."
couldn’t of put it better myself |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my reading of this as an outsider, possibly misinformed, this is the third vote since Brexit first came up (including the referendum) and not once has there been anything like a majority opposing Brexit. Quite the opposite, this last vote seems like the strongest mandate yet from the British people to leave the EU.
So really the only outcome here that respects democracy in any way is to leave, not keep voting on it.
Yes it's unfortunate if you want UK to stay in EU. It might even be unfortunate if you want the UK to stay intact, but no one can argue that it's not what the people want."
You cannot take a first past the post general election result and twist it into a vote for vote referendum result.
If people are so intent on finding out the publics opinion on ONE subject then do it properly and hold a referendum.
If their scared of losing a referendum then they'll probably continue to class a first past the post general election result as a referendum. |
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"In my reading of this as an outsider, possibly misinformed, this is the third vote since Brexit first came up (including the referendum) and not once has there been anything like a majority opposing Brexit. Quite the opposite, this last vote seems like the strongest mandate yet from the British people to leave the EU.
So really the only outcome here that respects democracy in any way is to leave, not keep voting on it.
Yes it's unfortunate if you want UK to stay in EU. It might even be unfortunate if you want the UK to stay intact, but no one can argue that it's not what the people want.
You cannot take a first past the post general election result and twist it into a vote for vote referendum result.
If people are so intent on finding out the publics opinion on ONE subject then do it properly and hold a referendum.
If their scared of losing a referendum then they'll probably continue to class a first past the post general election result as a referendum. "
A referendum on a referendum? Where does it end? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my reading of this as an outsider, possibly misinformed, this is the third vote since Brexit first came up (including the referendum) and not once has there been anything like a majority opposing Brexit. Quite the opposite, this last vote seems like the strongest mandate yet from the British people to leave the EU.
So really the only outcome here that respects democracy in any way is to leave, not keep voting on it.
Yes it's unfortunate if you want UK to stay in EU. It might even be unfortunate if you want the UK to stay intact, but no one can argue that it's not what the people want.
You cannot take a first past the post general election result and twist it into a vote for vote referendum result.
If people are so intent on finding out the publics opinion on ONE subject then do it properly and hold a referendum.
If their scared of losing a referendum then they'll probably continue to class a first past the post general election result as a referendum.
A referendum on a referendum? Where does it end?"
I'm not saying we should have another referendum on EU membership at all and never have.
What I am pointing out is a lot of leavers like to point to different election results and say that's more results that back Brexit, which is spurious at best and if their so desperate to have election results they can point at that says the country still wants Brexit then do it properly and have a referendum on that ONE question. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a dead argument now. It's too late. "
Yes that's true so it'd help if they stopped arguing that other elections meant different results and be happy now and move on. |
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This general election has been the 2nd people's vote. It was a thumping endorsement of the first. Politicians should reflect on this when they are even contemplating going against the will of the people in the future. |
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"Keep up!!
Who needs to keep up and about what? "
People who wonder about a second referendum . They need to keep up with what happened yesterday and what it means in reality. A bit like asking whether Corbyn should resign lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If their scared of losing a referendum then they'll probably continue to class a first past the post general election result as a referendum. "
I don't have a horse in this race, but as I understand it, British politics has never been about referenda and a mandate always comes in the form of a first-past-the-post vote. So whatever happened in the referendum, when Boris campaigns on the basis of getting brexit done and wins a big majority, then surely that is as good a mandate as anyone will get, in the British political tradition. |
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"This general election has been the 2nd people's vote. It was a thumping endorsement of the first. Politicians should reflect on this when they are even contemplating going against the will of the people in the future. "
Exactly
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By (user no longer on site)
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I hate to say it but there’s no going back now if democracy is to be honoured. It’s been a terrible night for labour and I really am not sure where they go from here but Brexit however long it takes to get these fantastic trade deals is going to happen. Boris if he has any sense will try to appeal to the whole country and water down some of the more histrionic brexiteers proposals but who knows what his real agenda is. To be honest I am actually looking forward to leaving this forum and getting on with life as I have read so many posts on here that are so inhumane that I am left wondering if I am wrong in believing in the general goodness of people. Ah well it’s been an interesting ride. Enjoy your moment of victory. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This general election has been the 2nd people's vote. It was a thumping endorsement of the first. Politicians should reflect on this when they are even contemplating going against the will of the people in the future. "
This is exactly the point I'm making, people taking just ONE aspect of a multi aspect multi party election and stating that this ONE aspect is the entire cause of all the votes that party gained to win.
I guess if it makes people feel better believing this then crack on, don't let common sense get in the way  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep up!!
Who needs to keep up and about what?
People who wonder about a second referendum . They need to keep up with what happened yesterday and what it means in reality. A bit like asking whether Corbyn should resign lol"
We don't need a second referendum, we've had that I agree but what I'm saying is if leavers are so intent on using different election results to back up their claim then they could do with having a referendum to actually back up their claim properly or they just need to get on with enjoying what Brexit is going give them and stop twisting the results of a election and trying to convince everyone that the only issue was Brexit when it wasn't. |
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"It's a dead argument now. It's too late.
Yes that's true so it'd help if they stopped arguing that other elections meant different results and be happy now and move on. "
I haven't heard any of them "arguing" anything to be honest. |
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"No excuses over Brexit now, the leavers and Boris own Brexit 100%
No chance of passing any blame so I'm happy "
You missed out the EU, they have to accept it. Just like all the other times boris tried...... |
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"This general election has been the 2nd people's vote. It was a thumping endorsement of the first. Politicians should reflect on this when they are even contemplating going against the will of the people in the future. "
Wrong. You've used a FPTP parliamentary system to endorse a Yes/No referendum?
By vote count, 52.35% voted for parties that wanted a 2nd referendum.
Also, a significant number of people voted Tory simply because they didn't like Corbyn and not because the endorsed Brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Come on let’s have a best of three and when some people still don’t get what they want a best of five and so on until the world ends and we all get eaten by polar bears!!!!
Tony |
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"No excuses over Brexit now, the leavers and Boris own Brexit 100%
No chance of passing any blame so I'm happy
You missed out the EU, they have to accept it. Just like all the other times boris tried......"
Im sure they'd rather have deal than no deal. |
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