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By *ntilogically OP Man over a year ago

Somewhere between Newport and Cardiff

Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn't know I had any assets!...

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

No because I disagree with elements of both policies - I'll vote for the party that I think has the best interests of not only myself but the country *as a whole* (regardless of status) at heart

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants

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By *uciyassMan over a year ago

sheffield

The immigration thing will never stop. Don’t believe that anything you are told will actulllay happen. The original vote brexit thing was very much orientated around the stopping of immigration and safe guarding the country’s jobs and livelihoods. BOLLICKS

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

You can’t call me a brexitier or an anti brexiteer I really don’t give a shit but as I have no vote in this country of yours and look in at it from the sidelines I can see so much shite being spouted about brexit this and brexit that. And if the government think that they can stem the amount of immigrants just because they are out of the EU. They are very very very wrong. Vote with your heart today. And if you don’t have a preference and really don’t give a shite. Show the country that you really have no faith in any government and don’t vote. Which will the show the exit poll at an all time low and give the real message across

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants"

Quite right, my grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's in the Polish Army before settling here only to see the country overrun by Foreigners.

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"The immigration thing will never stop. Don’t believe that anything you are told will actulllay happen. The original vote brexit thing was very much orientated around the stopping of immigration and safe guarding the country’s jobs and livelihoods. BOLLICKS

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

Sorry to say but not voting doesn't show as a protest, it just shows apathy. People need to vote but spoil the ballot paper if you want to show as a protest, particularly if it's spoiled by writing something along the lines of 'None of the above' or 'They're all cunts and I don't trust them'.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No because I disagree with elements of both policies - I'll vote for the party that I think has the best interests of not only myself but the country *as a whole* (regardless of status) at heart"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've said this a few times but

The quiz on vote for polices is the best route if you're unsure where to put your cross.

You pick the things that you're interested in and it doesn't say what party the policy is from, and at the end it shows a pie chart with parties you side with most

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By *hechapMan over a year ago

Derry

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

Its an awful waste of time and ink.

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By *uciyassMan over a year ago

sheffield

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

Its an awful waste of time and ink."

Not voting shows as a low exit poll. But as you’ve made such wonderful suggestions I like your option too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I feel sorry for the people across the border unable to vote for the SNP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

So hot, Juice... love it when your intelligence peaks out

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By *eordiesCouple over a year ago

newcastle

IF we leave the EU, then a points based system is fairest, but that does not address the problem of illegal immigrants. Don't think any Party has the guts to solve that one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nah. I like immigration and the NHS in government hands.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

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By *aughtyLondonGuyMan over a year ago

london

Overall immigration provides a net plus in financial terms for this country. It’s not their fault our governments haven’t invested that extra money into increased infrastructure and housing.

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By *aughtyLondonGuyMan over a year ago

london

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards. "

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants

Quite right, my grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's in the Polish Army before settling here only to see the country overrun by Foreigners. "
But yet the poles won’t have any foreigners in their homeland

Not bothering to vote because non of the main parties care about the people, the people voted out the eu and nothing happened so unless we get a government who stands by what the people want and deserve it’s pointless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?"

I rather like immigration as without it many of our key public services would be unable to function.

In terms of private industry they are highly dependent on migrant labour - jobs which some of the English populace simply do not want to do.

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By *uciyassMan over a year ago

sheffield

These were all lies and the whole vote brexit deal was aimed at immigration

So hot, Juice... love it when your intelligence peaks out

Has it. lol bugger. Wasn’t me. Was my friend that hacked my account. That bastard Jay I’ll get him for this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants

Quite right, my grandfather didn't fight the Nazi's in the Polish Army before settling here only to see the country overrun by Foreigners. But yet the poles won’t have any foreigners in their homeland

Over 600,000 foreigners work in Poland. Check the information before you write stupidity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants

Over 600,000 foreigners work in Poland. Check the information before you write stupidity

I worked in Poland for a brief time. I was treated with incredible kindness by everyone. They loved me because I tried to speak Polish and it was the most hilarious thing they heard all day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am highly against immigration!

My great grandparents didn't illegally enter this country just to watch it get taken over by immigrants

Over 600,000 foreigners work in Poland. Check the information before you write stupidity

I worked in Poland for a brief time. I was treated with incredible kindness by everyone. They loved me because I tried to speak Polish and it was the most hilarious thing they heard all day

I am very happy about this fact . But unfortunately, many people have wrong thinking about Poland and Poles

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By *lbinoGorillaMan over a year ago

Redditch

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?

I rather like immigration as without it many of our key public services would be unable to function.

In terms of private industry they are highly dependent on migrant labour - jobs which some of the English populace simply do not want to do. "

They would of they got hungry enough.

This is one of the side effects of having created a system of welfare / benefits dependency.

Whilst I think everyone should be offered a helping hand when they need it (as I've done in the past) it shouldn't be allowed to go on long enough to become a lifestyle choice.

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By *hechapMan over a year ago

Derry

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?

I rather like immigration as without it many of our key public services would be unable to function.

In terms of private industry they are highly dependent on migrant labour - jobs which some of the English populace simply do not want to do.

They would of they got hungry enough.

This is one of the side effects of having created a system of welfare / benefits dependency.

Whilst I think everyone should be offered a helping hand when they need it (as I've done in the past) it shouldn't be allowed to go on long enough to become a lifestyle choice."

I agree 100%. Our economy is been drained by these benefit scrounging politicans who have come acustomed to the lifestyle and have been milking the systym dry for decades claiming for this that and everything and getting 2 houses paid for etc etc.

It needs to STOP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The nicest most caring people I’ve worked with have been Eastern European. I still talk to them and when working with them they would have done anything for me.

I work with a large number of foreign people from all over the world and it’s mental how they see the UK as a priority place for them to end up. As much as I bitch and moan about the UK, it is a world of difference from where most have come.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The nicest most caring people I’ve worked with have been Eastern European. I still talk to them and when working with them they would have done anything for me.

We take a huge amount for granted living here in terms of safety and quality of life. Obviously immigration has to be managed and realistic but I wish people could be a bit kinder. I'll never forget seeing a comment on the Daily Mail site where someone was delighted that 39 people had died in terror in the back of lorry because it meant they wouldn't be coming here. I can't believe people think and say such things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The nicest most caring people I’ve worked with have been Eastern European. I still talk to them and when working with them they would have done anything for me.

Some people’s attitudes towards other humans is scary. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like everybody. I don’t like a lot of people to be honest. But no matter who or what they always get the same chance.

Was speaking to someone yesterday from Argentina who moved away from his family to live on his own in the UK whilst his family remain in Argentina. I asked him if he would ever move back and he said no, the country is fucked and there is no way in his lifetime that it will improve. That’s very fucking sad!

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By *ecadent_DevonMan over a year ago

Okehampton

Ah schrodinger’s immigrant. Simultaneously stealing your job whilst too lazy to work.

Happy days. I’m all for a hung parliament fuck it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?"
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The Tories are letting more immigrants in than any government ever, don't get me wrong labour and the libdems will as well.

But to try and claim there for stopping immigration is nonsense.

Ps Tony Blair sold more stuff including more of the NHS than this government ever has.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"The nicest most caring people I’ve worked with have been Eastern European. I still talk to them and when working with them they would have done anything for me.

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"immigration has to be managed and realistic but I wish people could be a bit kinder. I'll never forget seeing a comment on the Daily Mail site where someone was delighted that 39 people had died in terror in the back of lorry because it meant they wouldn't be coming here. I can't believe people think and say such things

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about "

I'm not often shocked but I was shocked by that

I could just about understand indifference but to be pleased and to say so. It's inexplicable to me

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some people say things for effect (or is it affect)

You know what I mean.

Brexit was not all about immigration in my opinion..

Barnier and crew really messed it up in my opinion. ..

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about

I'm not often shocked but I was shocked by that

I could just about understand indifference but to be pleased and to say so. It's inexplicable to me

And me too - how anyone can effectively say others "got what they deserved" for being so desperate to find a better life for themselves that they had to resort to desperate measures and risk their lives to do so is beyond me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about

I'm not often shocked but I was shocked by that

I could just about understand indifference but to be pleased and to say so. It's inexplicable to me

Her family paid 30k pounds for her to be smuggled in, she's no English, no qualifications and no skills, that's 25 years wages there, what work do you think she was going to be put into to repay that money?.

The world is very harsh and bad people seek returns on they're investments.

Clamping down on illegal immigration is the best way to stop the worst of it.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about

I'm not often shocked but I was shocked by that

I could just about understand indifference but to be pleased and to say so. It's inexplicable to me

The world is very harsh and bad people seek returns on they're investments.

Clamping down on illegal immigration is the best way to stop the worst of it.

I think you're missing the point somewhat - no-one has said that illegal immigration shouldn't be clamped down on, or that it, in itself is an awful thing that exploitative people will use desperate people to make gains from.

What is also disgusting however is the inhumanity of people that take a "they deserved it" view of those that suffer and have suffered because they are so desperate to make a better life for themselves, that they place their lives at risk. There was a thread not so long ago where a comment was made that people trying to cross the Channel should have been left to drown (or words to that effect) and frankly in my view someone that takes that view is just as bad as the people traffickers that seek to exploit the desperate.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

It annoys me that anyone who questions immigration is labelled a racist.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"It annoys me that anyone who questions immigration is labelled a racist. "

37 posts in and hasn't happened on this thread yet

Sadly though those that question immigration often express it in racist terms, so it's understandable that they get labelled as such

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It annoys me that anyone who questions immigration is labelled a racist. "

Nobody said anything about racism. We were talking about people dying and those that are pleased or say they deserved it. We were talking about inhumanity, not racism.

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By *ookMan over a year ago

london

Last night bbc ( not big black cock but the broadcasting lot) had a report on a Spanish lady complaining she could not vote because she did not hold a British passport. She had been born in Spain but now lived in London. For me this was pretty clear cut. I would not expect to be able to vote in a country without being a citizen of that country just because I happen to live there. Must say I love cultural diversity and welcome people from any country or walk of life as long as they contribute as we all do. But if you want to vote you need to be a paid up member...

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

I do think immigration needs to be more controlled. We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

We should have a similat system to entering Australia where you have to be financially secure etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Last night bbc ( not big black cock but the broadcasting lot) had a report on a Spanish lady complaining she could not vote because she did not hold a British passport. She had been born in Spain but now lived in London. For me this was pretty clear cut. I would not expect to be able to vote in a country without being a citizen of that country just because I happen to live there. Must say I love cultural diversity and welcome people from any country or walk of life as long as they contribute as we all do. But if you want to vote you need to be a paid up member...

Well she probably pays more taxes than the average UK voter...

I think the argument is more like shouldn’t you earn voting rights after you’ve lived in a foreign country for more than, let’s say 10 years?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do think immigration needs to be more controlled. We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

We should have a similat system to entering Australia where you have to be financially secure etc"

Of course it does, no one is suggesting it doesn't. But that's not a reason to be pleased that 39 people have died in horrific circumstances or to say that people should be left to drown because they've tried to enter this country illegally. That's way beyond racism or a desire to see immigration controlled, that's just pure evil.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

Oh no, absoloutely not. That is a disgusting thing for anyone to say and in now way condoning that sort of attitide.

Apologies if that was what this thread was about, we must of misunderstood. We were simply commenting on the immigration situation in general.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh no, absoloutely not. That is a disgusting thing for anyone to say and in now way condoning that sort of attitide.

Apologies if that was what this thread was about, we must of misunderstood. We were simply commenting on the immigration situation in general."

And I'm sorry if it looked like I jumped on your post, I didn't mean to suggest you were saying that was OK. I was just making the point that you can have justifiable concerns about immigration without being so hateful. I wasn't saying you were doing that.

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

UK had no problem selling off its assets while part of the EU, while fully able to control its own migration policy and while being able to write its own human right laws and ignore the EU.

So why would anyone care about them selling them off now?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

Golf courses take up more land in the UK than housing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

Golf courses take up more land in the UK than housing.

Quite rightly so.. (I’m from the home of golf)

One of the main reasons for that is the cost of putting in utilities to new areas. Nobody is willing to put their hand in their pocket.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guess who else wasn't born in this country?

Boris Johnson.

Fucking immigrant!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guess who else wasn't born in this country?

Boris Johnson.

Fucking immigrant!!!"

Being born in a country and being a citizen are slightly different. Although I don’t know why I’m defending BJ.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Fancy being known as ‘BJ’

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree, only citizens of the country should be able to vote in national elections, local yes but not national.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I agree, only citizens of the country should be able to vote in national elections, local yes but not national. "
I agree too. Citizens only. There again, I think cricket players who play for a county team should live in the aforesaid county.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?.

The Tories are letting more immigrants in than any government ever, don't get me wrong labour and the libdems will as well.

But to try and claim there for stopping immigration is nonsense.

Ps Tony Blair sold more stuff including more of the NHS than this government ever has.

I hadn’t realised Tony Blair was running for PM in this GE??

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

You probably shouldn’t be able to buy citizenship either..., nor fund political parties, especially if you are Russian

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guess who else wasn't born in this country?

Boris Johnson.

Fucking immigrant!!!

Being born in a country and being a citizen are slightly different. Although I don’t know why I’m defending BJ.

Do you think he would have won any votes if he had an American accent?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!"

Fair bit of colonisation in Africa and the Indian subcontinent too, not all us admittedly but we certainly had our share. We're also supposed to pretend that a lump of rock off the coast of Argentina has got something to do with the UK. It's not even in the same fucking hemisphere. Obviously we can't take on the world's problems but given our history we could at least have some grace and dignity and not wish death on people. I've never known anything but multiculturalism, I started school in 1974 and was one of nine English kids in a class of thirty. It was fucking great, the school in question is now a beacon school. I grew up eating halloumi and tzatziki and jallebies and barfi and playing with kids from different cultures who wanted to tell me about theirs and be part of mine. I consider myself very lucky to have had the childhood I did.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

Dont know why any one wants to come to this country anyway, crime untidy streets, traffic and appaling roads and all our politicians are a load of arseholes Boris being the biggest one. If we got the opportunity to move to an EU country would jump at it. Some of the best place to live were European countries Portugal being in the top three plus others a lot higher than the UK.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I didn’t see a black person in the flesh until I was 9 years old

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I didn’t see a black person in the flesh until I was 9 years old

I'd been in Poland three weeks before I could put my finger on what was bugging me. Then I realised it was that every single person I saw was white. Not used to that at all and found it very unsettling.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"Oh no, absoloutely not. That is a disgusting thing for anyone to say and in now way condoning that sort of attitide.

Apologies if that was what this thread was about, we must of misunderstood. We were simply commenting on the immigration situation in general.

No worries at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dont know why any one wants to come to this country anyway, crime untidy streets, traffic and appaling roads and all our politicians are a load of arseholes Boris being the biggest one. If we got the opportunity to move to an EU country would jump at it. Some of the best place to live were European countries Portugal being in the top three plus others a lot higher than the UK.

I agree, we should be trying to encourage people to come here not put them off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I didn’t see a black person in the flesh until I was 9 years old

What part of Poland have you been?

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?"

Considering that it was the conservative party's efforts in creating the single market which made freedom of movement (which they also supported) a reality in the first place - and they have done nothing to control immigration since, why would anyone even trust their promises?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is exactly why they are coming here. These are the issues in our country..

We don’t have;

Mass genocide,

Mass mutilation of our women and children,

Everything we own including our money being nationalised by our government,

Our houses being bombed on the daily,

Forced to follow certain regimes or pay with the ultimate sacrifice.. our lives

And we that is just the start of it..

Now do you see why people want to come here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree, we should be trying to encourage people to come here not put them off. "

In a way Brexit has already achieved its goal. People coming to the UK for the strong pound have that reason no longer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn’t see a black person in the flesh until I was 9 years old

What part of Poland have you been?"

A small town between Warsaw and Lowicz. I know in the big cities its probably different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is exactly why they are coming here. These are the issues in our country..

We don’t have;

Mass genocide,

Mass mutilation of our women and children,

Everything we own including our money being nationalised by our government,

Our houses being bombed on the daily,

Forced to follow certain regimes or pay with the ultimate sacrifice.. our lives

And we that is just the start of it..

Now do you see why people want to come here?"

Why then do so many English retire to the South of France, Spain etc?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Guess who else wasn't born in this country?

Boris Johnson.

Fucking immigrant!!!

Being born in a country and being a citizen are slightly different. Although I don’t know why I’m defending BJ.

Bj.... Should you not be packing tonight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is exactly why they are coming here. These are the issues in our country..

We don’t have;

Mass genocide,

Mass mutilation of our women and children,

Everything we own including our money being nationalised by our government,

Our houses being bombed on the daily,

Forced to follow certain regimes or pay with the ultimate sacrifice.. our lives

And we that is just the start of it..

Now do you see why people want to come here?"

Thank you for posting this. I taught English to refugees and asylum seekers including teenage kids. I don't think I could do it now that I'm a mother myself. I wouldn't cope with the things they told me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is exactly why they are coming here. These are the issues in our country..

We don’t have;

Mass genocide,

Mass mutilation of our women and children,

Everything we own including our money being nationalised by our government,

Our houses being bombed on the daily,

Forced to follow certain regimes or pay with the ultimate sacrifice.. our lives

And we that is just the start of it..

Now do you see why people want to come here?"

I hadn’t realised the rest of the EU was in such a bad way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn’t see a black person in the flesh until I was 9 years old

What part of Poland have you been?

A small town between Warsaw and Lowicz. I know in the big cities its probably different. "

Yes. It is a little different in big cities. Also it is true that there are not many black people in Poland. But this is slowly changing. Many nationalities live in Poland, but of course not on such a scale as in Western Europe. Many immigrants treat Poland only as a stop on their journey to their country of destination. It is influenced by several factors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thank you for posting this. I taught English to refugees and asylum seekers including teenage kids. I don't think I could do it now that I'm a mother myself. I wouldn't cope with the things they told me

Are you trying to point out my poor English?

Scary what some of these people have and will go through..

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Are you trying to point out my poor English?

Scary what some of these people have and will go through.. "
I don’t think they were dissing your English just saying they have had contacts with refugees etc.

If I was from a war torn country, I’d do anything to get to safety for me and the family as well.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Will you vote for the party that promises action on immigration, but sells off our assets to foreign investors?"

The Tories will never cap immigration! It's as close to slave labour as you can get!

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

Golf courses take up more land in the UK than housing.

Really ?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

Oh that's good as I like golf

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"We are a tiny island and some places are over populated, not to mention the financial cost.

Golf courses take up more land in the UK than housing.

Really ?"

Housing expert Colin Wiles came up with the figures in 2013.

(For England, not the UK - my error)

England's golf courses take up 270,000 hectares, roughly equating to 2% of its 13.4 million hectares in land area.

About 10% of England's land is classified as urban, with most of it taken up by gardens, parks, roads and lakes. Just 2.27% of that is built upon and only 1.1% of it is used for homes.

So the area occupied by golf courses is almost twice that occupied by housing.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Absolute nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolute nonsense

Yes, your statement certainly is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Absolute nonsense

You are a land and housing expert?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

So there is no shortage of land - we ought to build new towns on these golf courses.

Which, when you consider what is happening in Glasgow, may not be completely tongue in cheek.

The city council owns six municipal golf courses. Their public use is declining, so the council is considering an idea to turn them into forests as part its response to the climate emergency.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Within the M25 around London, there are 189 golf courses covering 76.4 km² (29.5 mi²), which is 3.3 per cent of total land.

You could easily build 178,850 new homes on them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Within the M25 around London, there are 189 golf courses covering 76.4 km² (29.5 mi²), which is 3.3 per cent of total land.

You could easily build 178,850 new homes on them.

How many of them are owned by Donald Trump?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

So there are more golf courses than the whole area of London.. balls

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm looking forward to Mr Corbyn taking the golf courses into public ownership and building tower blocks on them to house the refugees from the climate emergency.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I'm looking forward to Mr Corbyn taking the golf courses into public ownership and building tower blocks on them to house the refugees from the climate emergency.

On top of a tower block might be a good place to be if sea levels rise

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

But where will I play golf.. ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But where will I play golf.. ?

Mini golf on your phone

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Ok.. you tee off

144 yards par 3

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've seen similar within these walls to be honest - sadly these days there's far too much selfishness about

I'm not often shocked but I was shocked by that

I could just about understand indifference but to be pleased and to say so. It's inexplicable to me

The world is very harsh and bad people seek returns on they're investments.

Clamping down on illegal immigration is the best way to stop the worst of it.

No you missed my point, most aren't trying to improve They're lot in life, there exploited, and yes I feel sorry for them.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I don't ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ..."

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist. "

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means. "

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"I'm looking forward to Mr Corbyn taking the golf courses into public ownership and building tower blocks on them to house the refugees from the climate emergency.

Well, this aged well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you trying to point out my poor English?

Scary what some of these people have and will go through.. "

What poor English? I was just saying thank you for highlighting what some people are escaping, that's all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?"

You mean where did I grow up?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"I feel sorry for the people across the border unable to vote for the SNP

I’m all for the union, but I wish the jocks would just fuck off into oblivion. And no, you can’t have our pound. Have the Euro ya bunch of losers

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

No you missed my point, most aren't trying to improve They're lot in life, there exploited, and yes I feel sorry for them."

If they're not trying to improve their lot in life why would they be trying to come here in the first place?

Now they *may* be being led to believe they will have an improved life by those that seek to exploit them - but they still believe themselves they're trying to improve their lot.

However the main point was about those that think it's ok to suggest those desperate people (exploited or otherwise) "deserve their fate" if they risk their lives in search of a better life.

Just take a look at the thread titled "The Channel" (link below) for comments suggesting that illegal immigrants attempting to cross should have been left to drown or as the poster put it "stop rescuing.. let them sink" for evidence of the inhumanity of some towards those poor desperate people.

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/921234

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Britain wouldnt last 5 min without them, they would rather be at home playing on xbox than helping the farmers to name some professions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?

You mean where did I grow up? "

I might be confusing you with a Canadian lady on fab. I see and meet a lot of people.... sorry if I seem rude.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No you missed my point, most aren't trying to improve They're lot in life, there exploited, and yes I feel sorry for them.

If they're not trying to improve their lot in life why would they be trying to come here in the first place?

Now they *may* be being led to believe they will have an improved life by those that seek to exploit them - but they still believe themselves they're trying to improve their lot.

However the main point was about those that think it's ok to suggest those desperate people (exploited or otherwise) "deserve their fate" if they risk their lives in search of a better life.

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/921234"

Again people looking to shock. Take any topic be it the most sensitive issue and you'll get someone saying something horribly offensive to get attention.

Human nature

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?

You mean where did I grow up?

I might be confusing you with a Canadian lady on fab. I see and meet a lot of people.... sorry if I seem rude."

Well oddly enough I've got a thing for Canadians, I think it's called maple fever

but I'm from North London originally, lived there til I was 30.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?

You mean where did I grow up?

I might be confusing you with a Canadian lady on fab. I see and meet a lot of people.... sorry if I seem rude.

Well oddly enough I've got a thing for Canadians, I think it's called maple fever

but I'm from North London originally, lived there til I was 30. "

Ah that must be it. I went over to Canada and traveled around Ontario. What a beautiful country and what amazing people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Interesting topic, if labour had a controlling immigration strategy there'd have won the election because white working class people would have trusted them.

I cannot see labour being elected for thirty years plus now as everybody white except middle class tits have deserted them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't ...

We know you don't. The fact you're unashamed should worry you. Being that callous about human life puts you right up there with the worst kind of terrorist.

You know how teenagers say things for shock effect? Because negative attention is the only attention they get? Some 'adults' have the same problem..... follow my eyes...

I don't really know what that means.

There are people on here who don't have anything intelligent to say and would otherwise be ignored. So they say really offensive things to get attention. Don't let them bother you.

Oh I see. But that's still rather worrying for someone that age, isn't it?

Well I was thinking that we're going to lose 20% of our oxygen with the Amazon. 66% with Phytoplankton. And of the 14% that's left I have to share it with people like that

Interesting post earlier. Where are you from?

You mean where did I grow up?

I might be confusing you with a Canadian lady on fab. I see and meet a lot of people.... sorry if I seem rude.

Well oddly enough I've got a thing for Canadians, I think it's called maple fever

but I'm from North London originally, lived there til I was 30.

Ah that must be it. I went over to Canada and traveled around Ontario. What a beautiful country and what amazing people.

One day, I hope

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By *ntilogically OP Man over a year ago

Somewhere between Newport and Cardiff

It has nothing to do with policies, strategy, manifestos or anything like that. It's all about the personality now, it all went wrong for Labour when they elected the wrong Milliband as leader. It doesn't matter how much sense someone talks, the public care more about how they look or sound, or maybe just how entertaining they are. Politics is fucked now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has nothing to do with policies, strategy, manifestos or anything like that. It's all about the personality now, it all went wrong for Labour when they elected the wrong Milliband as leader. It doesn't matter how much sense someone talks, the public care more about how they look or sound, or maybe just how entertaining they are. Politics is fucked now"

I should have put this on unpopular opinions. I thought Ed Milliband was brilliant. I was going through the worst time of my life while he was fighting that campaign. I was really struggling to keep going. I'll never, ever forget Jeremy Paxman saying "no one likes you, you know" and him replying "Who cares? So what? Who says that?". I was so inspired. A leader shouldn't ever be focussed on themself, they've failed if they do. It's a small thing I know but it meant everything to me at the time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You could say the exact same thing about Boris, nobody likes you, until you grasp why most people are voting for him despite not liking him you'll forever be in Shadow government.

I'll give you a clue, the next labour leader needs to forget about lgbyqyfhg who's black or white, who's Muslim or Christian and concentrate on we the People who are working class be that of all the above or none.

Until labour represent us as a one instead of breaking us up into intersectionality groups they are doomed into history.

I say this as a leftist who's socially conservative of which there are millions of us, you will never get our vote under your current nonsense policies of division.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You could say the exact same thing about Boris, nobody likes you, until you grasp why most people are voting for him despite not liking him you'll forever be in Shadow government.

Until labour represent us as a one instead of breaking us up into intersectionality groups they are doomed into history.

I say this as a leftist who's socially conservative of which there are millions of us, you will never get our vote under your current nonsense policies of division."

I agree with you. I don't agree with the politics of division any more than you do. I think it's incredibly damaging.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the big one, labour need to promise neigh make a legal commitment to bring immigration down to tens of thousands.

Do that and your in next election

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Labour lost mainly because of Corbyn and Abbot..

She had two left shoes on that didn't match. Time to all stand down and relaunch a new Labour party.

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By *ishandwantCouple over a year ago

Wellingborough

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x"

Just imagine where we'd be today if all those European "immigrants" and other foreign pilots hadn't flown our Spitfires and Hurricanes during the war.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I cannot see labour being elected for thirty years plus now as everybody white except middle class tits have deserted them."

Labour in England is now at serious risk of going the way of Labour in Scotland, and becoming irrelevant.

They did not learn the lessons then.

They lost touch with the people they thought they represented.

Nationalism stole their clothes in Scotland and it is doing the same in England.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"Labour lost mainly because of Corbyn and Abbot..

She had two left shoes on that didn't match. Time to all stand down and relaunch a new Labour party. "

I’ve got an idea..... let’s re model and re launch labour. Let’s make it attractive and acceptable to voters and the workin class..... let’s get it able to serve consecutive terms in government.... Let’s call it “New Labour”. No wait, hang on... erm, we already tried that and it worked really well didn’t it.... erm.....

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Politics is fucked now"

The other way to look at this is that democracy won yesterday.

How many times did you hear Leave voters saying democracy was dead because the 2016 result was being ignored?

Not now. They had the chance to vote again, and salvage their democracy they did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I cannot see labour being elected for thirty years plus now as everybody white except middle class tits have deserted them.

Labour in England is now at serious risk of going the way of Labour in Scotland, and becoming irrelevant.

They did not learn the lessons then.

They lost touch with the people they thought they represented.

Nationalism stole their clothes in Scotland and it is doing the same in England.

"
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They spent to long just telling people there bad and nationalism makes them knuckle draggers instead of listening and understanding they took for granted that white working class folks in towns would continue voting for them but they didn't.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The conservatives for years failed to meet their immigration targets and manifesto promises. The UK has benefitted from the EU free movement, with net gains from EU immigrants. Immigrants from other countries also have much to offer. If immigration targets are appropriate, then it could have continued as it had been, prior to the referendum, with net economic gains for UK citizens, particularly if the conservatives had made appropriate investment into UK infrastructure etc.

I'd vote for an honest and appropriate immigration policy. We've done very well from our EU membership, including UK citizens being able to easily travel, work and live throughout the continent, with minimal restrictions. Those who blocked their potential have perhaps been limited themselves by their ability to perform but it's tragic that they have curtailed others and left the country in the hands of a political party that brings a track record of serial failures to the immigration and economic management arena.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well at least there is a party now with a big majority who can hopefully get things done.

Labour literally shot itself repeatedly in the foot. They were the party of division in so many ways.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Politics is fucked now

The other way to look at this is that democracy won yesterday.

How many times did you hear Leave voters saying democracy was dead because the 2016 result was being ignored?

Not now. They had the chance to vote again, and salvage their democracy they did.

Yes the best thing now is that Brexit and all it's potential negative effects cannot be blamed on remainer MP's or anything now.

Brexit is truly owned by Leave voters and the Conservative government and I do wish them well because we're all being dragged along for the ride for better or for the worse but at least the passing of the buck cannot happen now.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes the best thing now is that Brexit and all it's potential negative effects cannot be blamed on remainer MP's or anything now.

Yes, and the consolation is the Prime Minister is no longer beholden to the UKIP wing of his party.

Mrs May and Mr Johnson were both prisoners of their own party's - and the DUP's - lunatic fringe.

Not any more.

Johnson now can be both the Leaver and the moderate he identified himself as in 2016.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes the best thing now is that Brexit and all it's potential negative effects cannot be blamed on remainer MP's or anything now.

Yes, and the consolation is the Prime Minister is no longer beholden to the UKIP wing of his party.

Mrs May and Mr Johnson were both prisoners of their own party's - and the DUP's - lunatic fringe.

Not any more.

Johnson now can be both the Leaver and the moderate he identified himself as in 2016.

Yes, it's going to be interesting to see now all the benefits of Brexit and the Brexit Bonanzas that Boris is now able to bring to fruition and share with the entire UK

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x"

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And would you even want them to if their being forced?

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"And would you even want them to if their being forced? "

You don't have to force them into work, just make all unemployment benefits cashless.. Rent paid direct to landlord, food vouchers that can't be spent on baccy, booze or Sky/Netflix etc and people will be begging for jobs instead of handouts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And would you even want them to if their being forced?

Or they'll be stealing and mugging to buy the things they want. Maybe from you

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us? "
make it worth there while simples lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us? "
.

This argument is so tired and nonsense.

Germanys population between 1988 and and 2015 was completely static, all the food got picked, all the trucks got trucked and elderly people did just fine, in fact the whole country did just bloody dandy for thirty years with a completely static population.

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"And would you even want them to if their being forced?

Or they'll be stealing and mugging to buy the things they want. Maybe from you

I have a feeling that the majority of muggers and thieves are already on the dole so not much will change on that front

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And would you even want them to if their being forced?

Or they'll be stealing and mugging to buy the things they want. Maybe from you

I have a feeling that the majority of muggers and thieves are already on the dole so not much will change on that front

Kinda pointless to cut their benefits then? You'll just be increasing the crime rate. They won't go to jail because the prison service is on its knees to start with. They'll just keep breaking into houses and stealing cars and robbing pensioners.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us? .

This argument is so tired and nonsense.

We aren’t Germany , they are light years ahead of us in terms of infrastructure and public services . Bad analogy

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"And would you even want them to if their being forced?

Or they'll be stealing and mugging to buy the things they want. Maybe from you

I have a feeling that the majority of muggers and thieves are already on the dole so not much will change on that front

So they are effectively holding the government to randsome. Give us more handouts or we will rob and steal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us?

make it worth there while simples lol"

That's one of the main problems though in my view, the benefits system pays too much for many to see it worth working.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us? .

This argument is so tired and nonsense.

We aren’t Germany , they are light years ahead of us in terms of infrastructure and public services . Bad analogy "
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No we WERE Germany.

The notion that you can't do anything without immigration is nonetheless nonsense.

Japan Korea Germany Sweden Italy Denmark... Polands population has fallen in the last ten years and has prosperd.

What you do need I'll agree is a fucking plan on what your going to be in twenty or thirty years time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get what you are saying, but is it your view to pay people to not commit crime?

Cut their benefits majorly and use the excess equity from doing so and pump it into policing and jails.

Oh, and get a fucking grip on our detention system. All the cushteyness that they get in prisons and their rights are unbelievable!

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us?

make it worth there while simples lol

That's one of the main problems though in my view, the benefits system pays too much for many to see it worth working. "

Trouble is that benefits should be for the needy and not the workshy. Cut them to encourage the workshy into work and you punish the needy.

I would bring back workhouses so that as many as possible can work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us? .

This argument is so tired and nonsense.

We aren’t Germany , they are light years ahead of us in terms of infrastructure and public services . Bad analogy .

No we WERE Germany.

The notion that you can't do anything without immigration is nonetheless nonsense.

Japan Korea Germany Sweden Italy Denmark... Polands population has fallen in the last ten years and has prosperd.

What you do need I'll agree is a fucking plan on what your going to be in twenty or thirty years time.

I don’t know where you get your figures from but after spending the last year living in Sweden I can tell you they have a massive immigration problem.

Look at the shocking rise in sexual assault cases in Sweden over the passed 5 or so years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm completely sick of them coming over here, curing our patients, caring for our elderly and driving our lorries to deliver goods for us. The bastards.

Totally agree, we’d be in trouble without them x

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

So how do you force workshy unskilled people to cure our patients, care for our elderly and drive our lorries to deliver goods for us?

make it worth there while simples lol

That's one of the main problems though in my view, the benefits system pays too much for many to see it worth working.

Trouble is that benefits should be for the needy and not the workshy. Cut them to encourage the workshy into work and you punish the needy.

I would bring back workhouses so that as many as possible can work. "

I definitely agree that those claiming unemployment benefits should be employed by the local council and put to work within the community for the appropriate amount of hours in relation to the benefits amount they receive.

I cannot see a fairer way than that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get what you are saying, but is it your view to pay people to not commit crime?

Cut their benefits majorly and use the excess equity from doing so and pump it into policing and jails.

Oh, and get a fucking grip on our detention system. All the cushteyness that they get in prisons and their rights are unbelievable! "

I'm not talking about how things should be. I'm talking about how they are.

What rights would you like to see removed from those serving prison sentences? And how do you feel it would be beneficial to the country in terms of crime prevention and rehabilitation of criminals?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trouble is that benefits should be for the needy and not the workshy. Cut them to encourage the workshy into work and you punish the needy.

I would bring back workhouses so that as many as possible can work. "

Is this an ironic comedy act you're working on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lol I’m replying to you without quoting as it does my tits in seeing the big para

I don’t believe in trying to rehabilitate every prisoner. Punishment should be punishment.

If they get say a 12 year sentence.. I think 10 years of which should be punishment and 2 years rehabilitating. Obviously it’s never going to happen but that’s just my views.

Ps, my old mans an ex police and prison office so I’m well aware of how easy they get it. And that was in a maximum security prison

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol I’m replying to you without quoting as it does my tits in seeing the big para

I don’t believe in trying to rehabilitate every prisoner. Punishment should be punishment.

If they get say a 12 year sentence.. I think 10 years of which should be punishment and 2 years rehabilitating. Obviously it’s never going to happen but that’s just my views.

Ps, my old mans an ex police and prison office so I’m well aware of how easy they get it. And that was in a maximum security prison"

That's not what I asked. What I asked was what rights do they currently have that you would like to see taken away. And how do you believe it would help?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Trouble is that benefits should be for the needy and not the workshy. Cut them to encourage the workshy into work and you punish the needy.

I would bring back workhouses so that as many as possible can work.

Is this an ironic comedy act you're working on? "

There is always work that they can do for their communities and the taxpayers who fund those benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it. "

My ancestors were probably in a Jewish ghetto in Lithuania when Britain was colonising India and trading slaves. But I'm still an Englishwoman and I don't think anyone feels guilt as such but people acknowledge it because it was a terrible thing in human history. The idea is to learn from it.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well the Romans colonised England and Wales and some argue that this was a great thing. I am sure some benefitted and some didn't and some died.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it.

I wish people wouldn't confuse immigration with colonialism immigration is about people making decisiond on how many new people with what skills and good things they can bring in who intend to stay here indefinitely, culturally assimilate or be temporary stop gap workers with a set time period to leave, you have to balance that up against resources, infrastructure, changing our own country and culture to fast, how many you can assimilate in what time period.

Colonialism was not the same, it was forced on the host nation and people by outside forces.

Australias points based immigration system was designed to bring in immigrants, they made the decision decades ago that having only 7 million people in a big fuck off country required more people with skills or money or both to come assimilate live and prosper but it was with limits and over a period of thirty years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your having a new year's Eve party you send out invites to people you like and think will help make the party a success, you'll be sensible enough to limit tickets to your property size so everybody isn't standing on others toes, you'll make sure the Stevens from up the road aren't invited because every party they go to ends up with police being called, so you'll be selective and if all goes well then next year you might think about putting a few tents up in the back garden or building an extension or buying a bigger house so you can invite more people the following year but what you won't do is invite the entire town ram everybody in the front door while another lot sneak in the back door and then think, shit I better start on building that extension.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That party is going to end badly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it.

Colonialism was not the same, it was forced on the host nation and people by outside forces.

The problem with colonialism is that you take someone else's country thus making the citizens born in that country British citizens. And after you have meddled in that country's politics so that those people are refugees... guess who they come home to? The chickens come home to roost.

I had a great experience at Gatwick airport flying out to GC. They guy at the gate was Zimbabwean and we had a great conversation in Shona. The people in earshot were pretty confused by it all.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it.

Colonialism was not the same, it was forced on the host nation and people by outside forces.

I had a great experience at Gatwick airport flying out to GC. They guy at the gate was Zimbabwean and we had a great conversation in Shona. The people in earshot were pretty confused by it all."

Same with Blair and Cameron's Middle East foeign policy

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

I'm just popping down the job centre to see if there are any unemployed GPs hanging around.

Investment in education is the bit Britain sorely needs.

I saw some shocking figures that almost half of school-leavers have the skills expected of an 11-year-old.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you know has totally suffered from immigration and been totally over run?

The Native Americans

The Aborigines

The Maoris

Etc

But that was us so that's ok.

Karma. It's a bitch!

I have never understood this guilt for the British Empire or Slave Trade. Nobody alive is responsible for it.

Colonialism was not the same, it was forced on the host nation and people by outside forces.

I had a great experience at Gatwick airport flying out to GC. They guy at the gate was Zimbabwean and we had a great conversation in Shona. The people in earshot were pretty confused by it all.

Same with Blair and Cameron's Middle East foeign policy "

Lord Soames and The Lancaster House agreement....

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

I'm just popping down the job centre to see if there are any unemployed GPs hanging around.

Investment in education is the bit Britain sorely needs.

I saw some shocking figures that almost half of school-leavers have the skills expected of an 11-year-old.

Perhaps we expect too much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

I'm just popping down the job centre to see if there are any unemployed GPs hanging around.

Investment in education is the bit Britain sorely needs.

I saw some shocking figures that almost half of school-leavers have the skills expected of an 11-year-old.

Perhaps after we've booted out all the polish bin men and Ukrainian care workers we shall need a generation on unskilled labourers for this kind of work.

It's not like we will be competing with the rest of the global economy in our state of self imposed isolation

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

I'm just popping down the job centre to see if there are any unemployed GPs hanging around.

Investment in education is the bit Britain sorely needs.

I saw some shocking figures that almost half of school-leavers have the skills expected of an 11-year-old.

Perhaps after we've booted out all the polish bin men and Ukrainian care workers we shall need a generation on unskilled labourers for this kind of work.

It's not like we will be competing with the rest of the global economy in our state of self imposed isolation

Keeping our kids in full time education until 18 was a mistake. No reason 16 year olds cannot work full time

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Or without them we could force the lazy people of this country who are happy making a career out of been on the dole into work .

I'm just popping down the job centre to see if there are any unemployed GPs hanging around.

Investment in education is the bit Britain sorely needs.

I saw some shocking figures that almost half of school-leavers have the skills expected of an 11-year-old.

Perhaps after we've booted out all the polish bin men and Ukrainian care workers we shall need a generation on unskilled labourers for this kind of work.

It's not like we will be competing with the rest of the global economy in our state of self imposed isolation

Don't think anyone will be booted out not should they be..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Bardzo dobrze, Panu!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I have worked alongside and employed many Polish people and found them to be loyal, hard working and of good humour. They are welcome here.

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By *wingsingMan over a year ago

Berkshire/London

Today is my first day on Polish soil. I am near Gdansk visiting friends. Found people welcoming. Also, I saw a poster of a black guy and white girl embracing in a mainstream shop. Thought it was great to see. Spoke to my friends and they told me of refugees from Ukraine coming to Poland and being welcomed too... There is a lot of horrible stuff going on in the world ... but there are as many good things too when we look a little harder ... I try to remain optimistic... I hope I'm right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Today is my first day on Polish soil. I am near Gdansk visiting friends. Found people welcoming. Also, I saw a poster of a black guy and white girl embracing in a mainstream shop. Thought it was great to see. Spoke to my friends and they told me of refugees from Ukraine coming to Poland and being welcomed too... There is a lot of horrible stuff going on in the world ... but there are as many good things too when we look a little harder ... I try to remain optimistic... I hope I'm right

They're awesome people. I was an English teacher, my students used to take me to the pub after class and buy me pints of Zywiec and weep laughing at my attempts to speak Polish. They'd bring me food and take me to museums. I hope you have a wonderful time. Na zdrowie, sto lat!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

Against whom?

The Brexit vote IS xenophobia. In this country xenophobia is perfectly acceptable. Why? Because very often racism is disguised as xenophobia.

As a Zimbabwean born South

African naturalised Brit with a Polish surname I could write a book on xenophobia.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

Against whom?

The Brexit vote IS xenophobia. In this country xenophobia is perfectly acceptable. Why? Because very often racism is disguised as xenophobia.

As a Zimbabwean born South

African naturalised Brit with a Polish surname I could write a book on xenophobia. "

Brexit vote was not xenophobia for everyone. That is such a sweeping generalisation..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

Against whom?

The Brexit vote IS xenophobia. In this country xenophobia is perfectly acceptable. Why? Because very often racism is disguised as xenophobia.

As a Zimbabwean born South

African naturalised Brit with a Polish surname I could write a book on xenophobia.

Brexit vote was not xenophobia for everyone. That is such a sweeping generalisation.."

Who cares.

If you are offended by sweeping statements , tough.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

Against whom?

The Brexit vote IS xenophobia. In this country xenophobia is perfectly acceptable. Why? Because very often racism is disguised as xenophobia.

As a Zimbabwean born South

African naturalised Brit with a Polish surname I could write a book on xenophobia.

Brexit vote was not xenophobia for everyone. That is such a sweeping generalisation..

Who cares.

If you are offended by sweeping statements , tough."

Fair play

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Polish Binmen is a fucking great name for a band. I insist you start one

I'll get some guys together and start off with a modern rendition My ol' mans a dustman

'My thick sons a dustman

He wears a UKIP hat

We kicked out all the Polish

So he could be fascist twat'

Laaaa deeee daaaaa catchy init

Sounds like fucking xenophobia

Against whom?

The Brexit vote IS xenophobia. In this country xenophobia is perfectly acceptable. Why? Because very often racism is disguised as xenophobia.

As a Zimbabwean born South

African naturalised Brit with a Polish surname I could write a book on xenophobia.

Brexit vote was not xenophobia for everyone. That is such a sweeping generalisation.."

Saying that everyone voted for economic reasons. Were it not for xenophobia Brexit would have been moot three years ago. Did you miss the Channel 4 expose on the Brexit party, putting pigs heads in mosques etc? It's a disgrace. Canvassing Brexit on the back of open racism against muslims and black people like they have ANYTHING to do with Brexit. Sickening. But yet it hardly raised an eyebrow..... why is that I wonder????

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