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"So are the car owners on here happy to see their vehicle excise duty spent on rail fare cuts rather than roads?" Yes , are you ? | |||
"So are the car owners on here happy to see their vehicle excise duty spent on rail fare cuts rather than roads?" Vehicle excise duty never goes onto the roads anyway  | |||
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"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief." Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. | |||
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"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies. "It's good news for rail workers and track engineers. | |||
"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies. "Why? people will now be more likely to use the trains? Less road traffic ? | |||
"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies.
Why? people will now be more likely to use the trains? Less road traffic ? "Will they are you just not using the train because it too expensive? | |||
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"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies.
Why? people will now be more likely to use the trains? Less road traffic ? Will they are you just not using the train because it too expensive?"If the cost of travelling to other UK cites by train, was similar to the price of driving. I would definitely travel by train more often. | |||
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"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies.
Why? people will now be more likely to use the trains? Less road traffic ? Will they are you just not using the train because it too expensive?
If the cost of travelling to other UK cites by train, was similar to the price of driving. I would definitely travel by train more often."you can now mate only have to look on trainline.I would have thought with all the complaints about overcrowding on the trains they would have tried sorting that out 1st without trying to ram more people on them.  | |||
"I don't have a car, so I often use trains. " good for you sara watch out for the potholes when on your bike. | |||
"Also excellent news for garages and tyre companies.
Why? people will now be more likely to use the trains? Less road traffic ? Will they are you just not using the train because it too expensive?"Yes | |||
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"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads." Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it. | |||
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"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it. "You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this?  | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it. "I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this? "what straws am i clutching at? if you cant see that corbyn is trying to buy more votes with more freebees without thinking it through thats not my problem.Commuters are complaining about overcrowded trains already (if they are not on strike) great for going from city to city but generally they dont take me anywhere near i want to go as most shopping centres are out of town and none of my family live by a station.So the easy target motorist is going to pay for those commuting to work basically. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years. "Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories! | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this? what straws am i clutching at? if you cant see that corbyn is trying to buy more votes with more freebees without thinking it through thats not my problem.Commuters are complaining about overcrowded trains already (if they are not on strike) great for going from city to city but generally they dont take me anywhere near i want to go as most shopping centres are out of town and none of my family live by a station.So the easy target motorist is going to pay for those commuting to work basically. "It’s terrible to live in suffolk, there are only dual carriagways to service most of the county, everything is far away from everything else, the trains are appalling, years of under investment in infrastructure by your tory overloards. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this? what straws am i clutching at? if you cant see that corbyn is trying to buy more votes with more freebees without thinking it through thats not my problem.Commuters are complaining about overcrowded trains already (if they are not on strike) great for going from city to city but generally they dont take me anywhere near i want to go as most shopping centres are out of town and none of my family live by a station.So the easy target motorist is going to pay for those commuting to work basically.
It’s terrible to live in suffolk, there are only dual carriagways to service most of the county, everything is far away from everything else, the trains are appalling, years of under investment in infrastructure by your tory overloards."It will be if corbyn buys some votes with the money boris has said he will spend on the roads which by the way is improving the infrastructure not just giving it away like father christmas. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!"Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche?? I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this? what straws am i clutching at? if you cant see that corbyn is trying to buy more votes with more freebees without thinking it through thats not my problem.Commuters are complaining about overcrowded trains already (if they are not on strike) great for going from city to city but generally they dont take me anywhere near i want to go as most shopping centres are out of town and none of my family live by a station.So the easy target motorist is going to pay for those commuting to work basically.
It’s terrible to live in suffolk, there are only dual carriagways to service most of the county, everything is far away from everything else, the trains are appalling, years of under investment in infrastructure by your tory overloards.It will be if corbyn buys some votes with the money boris has said he will spend on the roads which by the way is improving the infrastructure not just giving it away like father christmas. "The tories had nine years to sort it out, kick em out, they’ve had their chance! | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan." Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
You clutch at every straw don’t you! Trains reduce pollution, remove cars from the roads, reduce wear & tear on roads and allow those that can’t drive the opportunity to travel. What possible reason do you have to complain about any of this? what straws am i clutching at? if you cant see that corbyn is trying to buy more votes with more freebees without thinking it through thats not my problem.Commuters are complaining about overcrowded trains already (if they are not on strike) great for going from city to city but generally they dont take me anywhere near i want to go as most shopping centres are out of town and none of my family live by a station.So the easy target motorist is going to pay for those commuting to work basically.
It’s terrible to live in suffolk, there are only dual carriagways to service most of the county, everything is far away from everything else, the trains are appalling, years of under investment in infrastructure by your tory overloards.It will be if corbyn buys some votes with the money boris has said he will spend on the roads which by the way is improving the infrastructure not just giving it away like father christmas.
The tories had nine years to sort it out, kick em out, they’ve had their chance!"Yay! Labour to bust the banks again and Yay! The Tories to cut the fuck out of everything again when the grey fog lifts. I despair. | |||
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"As usual, the devil is in the detail. Any Labour policy to reduce train fares only applies to England. Train fares in Scotland and Wales are devolved: their Goverment may follow suit, they may not. The 33% reduction planned, only applies to regulated fares. That's season tickets and peak hour fares. The occasional traveller would not see any price reduction under this policy. Labour have said that the money needed would be taken from the road tax. That invariably means that some major road building schemes would be cancelled. " so basically he is trying to buy commuters votes then. | |||
"As usual, the devil is in the detail. Any Labour policy to reduce train fares only applies to England. Train fares in Scotland and Wales are devolved: their Goverment may follow suit, they may not. The 33% reduction planned, only applies to regulated fares. That's season tickets and peak hour fares. The occasional traveller would not see any price reduction under this policy. Labour have said that the money needed would be taken from the road tax. That invariably means that some major road building schemes would be cancelled. " That is unless they come up with a scheme to buy up construction companies in the mean time. Then they'll start with some motorway building projects to protect the working class voters. | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads." You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be. | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be." You do really wear blinkers tory grandees who dont care. wasnt it that good old ex left wing union leader prescott who had 2 jags. | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be." You talk like national rail was a dream come true when in fact it was hot, filthy, had nothing to eat, never up graded in 60 yrs and was always late. Do you think rail halts in 9yrs? It takes upward of 20 - 30yrs before you notice it is in disrepair. It cannot be upgraded on a 5-10yr basis as it is not profitable enough to do so - any repairs have to be long-standing. Any investments in the last few years will not be seen at least for 2-3 more due to the scale of them. They are not your typical A+B=GO projects. Investment hasn't stopped because of the Tory's or privatisation, investment stopped in everything because of an economic crash not seen in decades. On top of an increasing debt when the economy was expanding under Labour - there was no fall back. On top of that, there was a double dip recession, and a close third. On top of that there is the indecision of Breixt for three years, on top of that, global trade wars for the past two affecting curency. It is very easy to point score on single issues - the whole picture needs to be looked at. | |||
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"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!
Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche??
I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya. "I live in a Tory Borough and the roads are really good as are all the servies. Why does it always seem to be Labour Boroughs where everyone moans about all their services being shit? I can't work it out, must be those pesky Tories who run their Boroughs well, the bastards  Can't be down to Labour who are responsible for running those Boroughs, can it? | |||
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"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!
Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche??
I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya.
I live in a Tory Borough and the roads are really good as are all the servies. Why does it always seem to be Labour Boroughs where everyone moans about all their services being shit? I can't work it out, must be those pesky Tories who run their Boroughs well, the bastards Can't be down to Labour who are responsible for running those Boroughs, can it?"And a very nice and rich borough it is too, more affluent than most of the poorer boroughs. Less people there, than a inner city district, which begs the question, is there a specific reason why the tories have bought your vote? | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!
Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche??
I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya.
I live in a Tory Borough and the roads are really good as are all the servies. Why does it always seem to be Labour Boroughs where everyone moans about all their services being shit? I can't work it out, must be those pesky Tories who run their Boroughs well, the bastards Can't be down to Labour who are responsible for running those Boroughs, can it?
And a very nice and rich borough it is too, more affluent than most of the poorer boroughs.
Less people there, than a inner city district, which begs the question, is there a specific reason why the tories have bought your vote?"Begs the questions why Welsh NHS patients are crossing borders for treatments and why no new homes homes have been built in decades there. Why Scottish wait times in A&E have increased and education pass rates have fallen. There is probably a longer list when you look at non Tory seats - are they all being bought or are parties doing their best to seed Tory doubt, then ramping up spending just around election time. I wonder. To say - I am a floating voter, just neither a BJ or JC lover. | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!
Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche??
I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya.
I live in a Tory Borough and the roads are really good as are all the servies. Why does it always seem to be Labour Boroughs where everyone moans about all their services being shit? I can't work it out, must be those pesky Tories who run their Boroughs well, the bastards Can't be down to Labour who are responsible for running those Boroughs, can it?
And a very nice and rich borough it is too, more affluent than most of the poorer boroughs.
Less people there, than a inner city district, which begs the question, is there a specific reason why the tories have bought your vote?
Begs the questions why Welsh NHS patients are crossing borders for treatments and why no new homes homes have been built in decades there. Why Scottish wait times in A&E have increased and education pass rates have fallen. There is probably a longer list when you look at non Tory seats - are they all being bought or are parties doing their best to seed Tory doubt, then ramping up spending just around election time. I wonder. To say - I am a floating voter, just neither a BJ or JC lover. "Bollox! People cross from England to Wales also for NHS treatment and new houses are being built all the time. For gods sake if you are going to lie, try to be a little bit inventive | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be.You do really wear blinkers tory grandees who dont care. wasnt it that good old ex left wing union leader prescott who had 2 jags. "Yes true....but how long ago was that? We are talking about looking to the future and I would love it if you could show me a picture of a tory grandee who uses a normal family car as his daily conveyance unless its a pr stunt, like fat boris on a bike when he was London Mayor! Oh and yes I do know that he often cycled to work before he became minister and then leader because I am paying attention and using my brain but he was one of the few who did which is probably why he’s such a fat porker now he has his limousine. | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be.You do really wear blinkers tory grandees who dont care. wasnt it that good old ex left wing union leader prescott who had 2 jags.
Yes true....but how long ago was that? We are talking about looking to the future and I would love it if you could show me a picture of a tory grandee who uses a normal family car as his daily conveyance unless its a pr stunt, like fat boris on a bike when he was London Mayor! Oh and yes I do know that he often cycled to work before he became minister and then leader because I am paying attention and using my brain but he was one of the few who did which is probably why he’s such a fat porker now he has his limousine. "so what you you telling me Jeremy walks everywhere. there are plenty of people driving round in big cars mate who are not "tory grandees".As for boris im sure he would love to ride his bike get a bit of pork off probably his security has something to say about that now he is pm. | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be. You talk like national rail was a dream come true when in fact it was hot, filthy, had nothing to eat, never up graded in 60 yrs and was always late. Do you think rail halts in 9yrs? It takes upward of 20 - 30yrs before you notice it is in disrepair. It cannot be upgraded on a 5-10yr basis as it is not profitable enough to do so - any repairs have to be long-standing. Any investments in the last few years will not be seen at least for 2-3 more due to the scale of them. They are not your typical A+B=GO projects. Investment hasn't stopped because of the Tory's or privatisation, investment stopped in everything because of an economic crash not seen in decades. On top of an increasing debt when the economy was expanding under Labour - there was no fall back. On top of that, there was a double dip recession, and a close third. On top of that there is the indecision of Breixt for three years, on top of that, global trade wars for the past two affecting curency. It is very easy to point score on single issues - the whole picture needs to be looked at. " Point scoring on single issues? Right back at you pal. If you read my post maybe you’ll understand that I am talking about the long term and my attack on the tories is because they are ignoring what has been a problem since the beeching cuts - namely, the isolation of areas of the country from public transport and the concept that all routes lead to London. HS2 has been the most phenomenal waste of money as it does not address the serious damage caused by a lack of fast rail routes between the north east and the north west. The electrification of the south west mainline has been curtailed under the tories too. The whole thrust of my argument is that investment in the long term even if it is at a reduced rate of return to the investor is of enormous benefit in job and wealth creation and would do much to lift stagnating areas like the north east out of their precarious state. The age of the private car will draw to a close for many people soon as in cities they will become too expensive to keep and with the move to electric vehicles there will be a shift for most people to leasing or rental arrangements rather than outright purchase. Look to the future young man | |||
"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be.You do really wear blinkers tory grandees who dont care. wasnt it that good old ex left wing union leader prescott who had 2 jags.
Yes true....but how long ago was that? We are talking about looking to the future and I would love it if you could show me a picture of a tory grandee who uses a normal family car as his daily conveyance unless its a pr stunt, like fat boris on a bike when he was London Mayor! Oh and yes I do know that he often cycled to work before he became minister and then leader because I am paying attention and using my brain but he was one of the few who did which is probably why he’s such a fat porker now he has his limousine. so what you you telling me Jeremy walks everywhere. there are plenty of people driving round in big cars mate who are not "tory grandees".As for boris im sure he would love to ride his bike get a bit of pork off probably his security has something to say about that now he is pm. "No I am just saying you really need to step outside that box now and again! I understand completely about security and as some muppet was crowing how JC couldnt make it to a rally in York because he was stuck in traffic I guess it depends on how high up the food chain you are. Anyway I think Bodger likes being a fat affluent c*nt so no need for you to hold his hand now is there? | |||
"Only around 5% of people in the UK use a train more than once a week, no-one in my immediate family has used a train in more than a year, but we all use our cars every day due to where we live. I'd like to see some of the major projects like HS2 cut back and money used on improving the roads.Well labour have made it quiet clear that the money for roads is going on rail fare cuts.I should think all those fat cats commuting from the suburbs up to the city will welcome it.
I live in a Labour council. Labour have been making it clear there's no money for roads for years.
Was it because central government reduced their funding? And who was in government? The tories!
Was it the waaa the wheee, the whoaa, wiii, waah wichha wacche??
I go to my now recently ex Tory borough and I am driving on quilted, goose feather asphalt I tell ya.
I live in a Tory Borough and the roads are really good as are all the servies. Why does it always seem to be Labour Boroughs where everyone moans about all their services being shit? I can't work it out, must be those pesky Tories who run their Boroughs well, the bastards Can't be down to Labour who are responsible for running those Boroughs, can it?
And a very nice and rich borough it is too, more affluent than most of the poorer boroughs.
Less people there, than a inner city district, which begs the question, is there a specific reason why the tories have bought your vote?
Begs the questions why Welsh NHS patients are crossing borders for treatments and why no new homes homes have been built in decades there. Why Scottish wait times in A&E have increased and education pass rates have fallen. There is probably a longer list when you look at non Tory seats - are they all being bought or are parties doing their best to seed Tory doubt, then ramping up spending just around election time. I wonder. To say - I am a floating voter, just neither a BJ or JC lover.
Bollox! People cross from England to Wales also for NHS treatment and new houses are being built all the time. For gods sake if you are going to lie, try to be a little bit inventive "It is hardly bollox when a hospital sees 23,000 in patients a year. For them to have looked into it, means it must have been ongoing for some time. Does that not tell you something is amiss in gaining an appointment in Wales? It cost Chester hospital £31m in 2018 alone. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47819657 For clarity on funding a "reality check" link is below .. Welsh funding was cut but then outmatched NHS England from 2013 in real terms. 2.9% compared to 2% with a figure of £7bn or £64 more per person. This is a devolved administration capable of deciding exactly what services it wants to spend it's money on. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42655140 Here's some information (with a handy graph) about housing published 30th May 2019. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48446234 | |||
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"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be. You talk like national rail was a dream come true when in fact it was hot, filthy, had nothing to eat, never up graded in 60 yrs and was always late. Do you think rail halts in 9yrs? It takes upward of 20 - 30yrs before you notice it is in disrepair. It cannot be upgraded on a 5-10yr basis as it is not profitable enough to do so - any repairs have to be long-standing. Any investments in the last few years will not be seen at least for 2-3 more due to the scale of them. They are not your typical A+B=GO projects. Investment hasn't stopped because of the Tory's or privatisation, investment stopped in everything because of an economic crash not seen in decades. On top of an increasing debt when the economy was expanding under Labour - there was no fall back. On top of that, there was a double dip recession, and a close third. On top of that there is the indecision of Breixt for three years, on top of that, global trade wars for the past two affecting curency. It is very easy to point score on single issues - the whole picture needs to be looked at. Point scoring on single issues? Right back at you pal. If you read my post maybe you’ll understand that I am talking about the long term and my attack on the tories is because they are ignoring what has been a problem since the beeching cuts - namely, the isolation of areas of the country from public transport and the concept that all routes lead to London. HS2 has been the most phenomenal waste of money as it does not address the serious damage caused by a lack of fast rail routes between the north east and the north west. The electrification of the south west mainline has been curtailed under the tories too. The whole thrust of my argument is that investment in the long term even if it is at a reduced rate of return to the investor is of enormous benefit in job and wealth creation and would do much to lift stagnating areas like the north east out of their precarious state. The age of the private car will draw to a close for many people soon as in cities they will become too expensive to keep and with the move to electric vehicles there will be a shift for most people to leasing or rental arrangements rather than outright purchase. Look to the future young man "Your bright eyes don't make sense. How is excise duty on EV's going to offset rail infrastructure projects if EV's are exempt. If people are leasing, hiring, car sharing, taking more public transport, roads will still be needed - good roads at that. If people are moving out of the cities to more rural areas, as you suggest, creating a rail network will not only be a very long project, it'll be a tricky one to say the least.. we are nowhere near the Jestons idea you know? Projects will still require heavy industry - steel, concrete and the like - not very environmentally friendly materials. I am neither for or against HS2 - If anything I think we should be some kind of maglev system, though the idea of broadband is more important to me. It'll alleviate the need for travel and create a new industrial base for communities with both restricted travel and communications. | |||
"How am I going to get to train station ???? 9 miles away and my village has no bus service" Get on your bike? That’s what all good tories do isn’t it? | |||
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"It’s important, rail fares are too high for many people, we need cheaper fares! In some cases the cost of a ticket is higher that travelling abroad by plane. So it’s will be a welcome relief. Cheaper rail fairs = less people on the roads Less people on the roads = less wear and tear and less money required for fixing them. Win. Good work OP. This sounds like an excellent plan. Not for us unfortunately, as we can only go to Skegness (23 miles or Sleaford 15 miles) by train - old, rattly diesel trains with no heating, toilets r air-con. Plus our nearest dual carriageway is 45 miles / 1 hour drive away, so we would prefer more investment in roads. You have a fair point there. Basically we have had years of underinvestment in the railways because they are supposed to run at a profit rather than being a social service....bear with me on this one....the tortes have done nothing to address the serious problems with public transport in areas like Lincolnshire and the north east and instead have concentrated all their railway projects HS2, Crossrail etc on London and the south east. They don’t care about trying to link the northeast of the country to the northwest because they don’t understand the strategy of looking after the country and planning for the long term. I don’t like that one of my vehicles is a diesel that I sensibly use to travel long distances and which because of its age is now going to be banned from the centre of my city Bristol and London too. It seems bonkers to me that it is still cheaper for me to drive to London and back then it is to take the train but at least I have the option. I understand why people want their money spent on the roads when they have no other choice but just remember that the next time you see a Tory grandee being ferried about in a jag or Bentley just remember that they don’t care or understand your plight because they can’t see any profit in making it better. I don’t like being pushed to do things that make my life more inconvenient but, the age of the private car is nearly over and the sooner everyone gets on board and works towards a unified transport network the better life will be. You talk like national rail was a dream come true when in fact it was hot, filthy, had nothing to eat, never up graded in 60 yrs and was always late. Do you think rail halts in 9yrs? It takes upward of 20 - 30yrs before you notice it is in disrepair. It cannot be upgraded on a 5-10yr basis as it is not profitable enough to do so - any repairs have to be long-standing. Any investments in the last few years will not be seen at least for 2-3 more due to the scale of them. They are not your typical A+B=GO projects. Investment hasn't stopped because of the Tory's or privatisation, investment stopped in everything because of an economic crash not seen in decades. On top of an increasing debt when the economy was expanding under Labour - there was no fall back. On top of that, there was a double dip recession, and a close third. On top of that there is the indecision of Breixt for three years, on top of that, global trade wars for the past two affecting curency. It is very easy to point score on single issues - the whole picture needs to be looked at. Point scoring on single issues? Right back at you pal. If you read my post maybe you’ll understand that I am talking about the long term and my attack on the tories is because they are ignoring what has been a problem since the beeching cuts - namely, the isolation of areas of the country from public transport and the concept that all routes lead to London. HS2 has been the most phenomenal waste of money as it does not address the serious damage caused by a lack of fast rail routes between the north east and the north west. The electrification of the south west mainline has been curtailed under the tories too. The whole thrust of my argument is that investment in the long term even if it is at a reduced rate of return to the investor is of enormous benefit in job and wealth creation and would do much to lift stagnating areas like the north east out of their precarious state. The age of the private car will draw to a close for many people soon as in cities they will become too expensive to keep and with the move to electric vehicles there will be a shift for most people to leasing or rental arrangements rather than outright purchase. Look to the future young man
Your bright eyes don't make sense. How is excise duty on EV's going to offset rail infrastructure projects if EV's are exempt. If people are leasing, hiring, car sharing, taking more public transport, roads will still be needed - good roads at that.
If people are moving out of the cities to more rural areas, as you suggest, creating a rail network will not only be a very long project, it'll be a tricky one to say the least.. we are nowhere near the Jestons idea you know? Projects will still require heavy industry - steel, concrete and the like - not very environmentally friendly materials.
I am neither for or against HS2 - If anything I think we should be some kind of maglev system, though the idea of broadband is more important to me. It'll alleviate the need for travel and create a new industrial base for communities with both restricted travel and communications."Of course they dont make sense if you are looking at it from a status quo point of view. The idea is that as we shift too many people and goods from point to point daily creating a massive amount of pollution so why not take some of that away by making a clean transport infrastructure whereby, the number of, for the most part, single occupancy cars is drastically reduced leading to less congestion, improved air quality and less wear and tear on the roads. Then taxis buses and rail move to electrical or hydrogen power so that the big polluters such as ships, construction and agricultural equipment which need more power than ev can produce would still be used until technology finds a solution. Broadband I totally agree with and for many a skype or similar meeting would make travel less necessary but my point is that there is no satisfactory fast rail route between the northern towns without heading south first and therefore parts of the country are being held back because they are made remote by a London centric pov. I am not saying people would want to move to the cities, I am saying that the cities are unable to communicate effectively because of strategic failures. | |||
"How am I going to get to train station ???? 9 miles away and my village has no bus service" That's the reason that we have the state to plan and manage essential services, fitting the strategic needs of the country and with joined up thinking. Public transport is better when services are coordinated - atm we're in a period following £billions being cut from local councils and transport budgets. We've also not changed our priorities, towards increasing public transport use and reducing pollution that's killing thousands each year. | |||
"Bike what's that ...oh I remember it's what the green party wankers want us all to do..." Norman Tebbuts famous statement - I thought you’d be all for that | |||
"Bike what's that ...oh I remember it's what the green party wankers want us all to do..." Yeah horrible wankers wanting to keep people healthy and the air clean. | |||
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"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ..." Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet." I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute." Just like some people dispute the earth is flat | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat " The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't." There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree. "It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick. You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false. It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about."Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about.Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact."I don't "believe" it. I understand it. There's a big difference. Just to be clear. What people "believe" doesn't impact reality. The climate is warming unnaturally fast due to human action. You can choose to not believe it. But that does not change the facts about what's happening. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about.Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact.
I don't "believe" it. I understand it. There's a big difference.
Just to be clear. What people "believe" doesn't impact reality. The climate is warming unnaturally fast due to human action. You can choose to not believe it. But that does not change the facts about what's happening.
"i agree apart from the human action bit this cannot be proved. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about.Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact.
I don't "believe" it. I understand it. There's a big difference.
Just to be clear. What people "believe" doesn't impact reality. The climate is warming unnaturally fast due to human action. You can choose to not believe it. But that does not change the facts about what's happening.
i agree apart from the human action bit this cannot be proved."It has been proved, 100%. There is no doubt. As a side note. What makes you think all the scientists in the world who study climate change are wrong? What's your motivation for your outlandish claims? And why not dispute other things we know, such as the sun being at the centre of the solar system instead of the earth? | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about.Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact.
I don't "believe" it. I understand it. There's a big difference.
Just to be clear. What people "believe" doesn't impact reality. The climate is warming unnaturally fast due to human action. You can choose to not believe it. But that does not change the facts about what's happening.
i agree apart from the human action bit this cannot be proved.
It has been proved, 100%. There is no doubt.
As a side note. What makes you think all the scientists in the world who study climate change are wrong?
What's your motivation for your outlandish claims? And why not dispute other things we know, such as the sun being at the centre of the solar system instead of the earth?"we should start a new thread for this rather than hijacking someones but in short not all the scientists in the world believe it. | |||
"Exactly...I could not give a shit about green issue's....a lot of it is a great way to tax people ... Fair play. At least you openly don't give a shit about it. Most people try to argue that science isn't real or that the earth is flat, instead of just admitting that they couldn't give a fuck about the state of the planet.I think you will find most people accept that climate change is real they can see it for themselves its the man made v natural cycle that is in dispute. Just like some people dispute the earth is flat The only debate about man made climate change is between people who understand it, and people who don't.There you go that comment is exactly why people dont get on board your little bandwagon,we are right you are thick if you dont agree.
It's not my bandwagon, it's fact. And I didn't call anyone thick.
You're trying to prove that something we know as a fact 100%, is false.
It's the same as someone trying to prove the earth is flat. I would t call them "thick". But I would say that they don't understand what they're talking about.Nothing has been proven as fact just because you believe it to be does not make it fact.
I don't "believe" it. I understand it. There's a big difference.
Just to be clear. What people "believe" doesn't impact reality. The climate is warming unnaturally fast due to human action. You can choose to not believe it. But that does not change the facts about what's happening.
i agree apart from the human action bit this cannot be proved.
It has been proved, 100%. There is no doubt.
As a side note. What makes you think all the scientists in the world who study climate change are wrong?
What's your motivation for your outlandish claims? And why not dispute other things we know, such as the sun being at the centre of the solar system instead of the earth?we should start a new thread for this rather than hijacking someones but in short not all the scientists in the world believe it."We don't need any further discussion. There's nothing to discuss. But as far as adorable train travel. I'm on board. | |||
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"The one and only fact of climate change ...is governments tax you for it ...that is the only actual fact surrounding the whole issue " How does that compare to the tax pounds that go to subsidise the fossil fuels industry? | |||
