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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing "The focus needs to be on cutting off the source. Stopping the recruitment. Anything else is reactionary. | |||
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing "If you ever spend much time in London you will often see heavily armed policemen in main train stations, airports, around parliament etc and there are armed response vehicles patrolling constantly in the centre of town with the intention of being able to respond to a situation within three to four minutes. Terrorism will never disappear completely because even if the poor and disaffected were dragged up out of poverty there are still enough loopy people who want to set up cults and make their mark against society. A good example being the Japanese underground Sarin attacks from a few years ago. It just gets worse when religion or doctrine gets used as a reason for violence. Remember the murders of all those young Norwegians by that lunatic Breivik in 2011. Some of the people who post aggressive things on here do it for a wind up but some seem to think that they can spout any old nonsense because its the will of the people! Makes me sad for humanity sometimes! | |||
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing "Countering extremists by challenging their ideology at the roots. Before extremists develop. The tory cutbacks in Countering it needs reversing | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. " Too right. Kowtowing to the American led wars, destabilising the middle east and North Africa has made the UK a more dangerous place | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
Countering extremists by challenging their ideology at the roots. Before extremists develop.
The tory cutbacks in Countering it needs reversing
"It will never be stopped you cant challenge fanatics ideology, there are kids getting brainwashed from the day they are born in some countries.No ammount of work done in the uk is going to stop it. | |||
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"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase." yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? | |||
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"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? " The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens " True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. " I wouldn't say religion causes wars. More that religion is used as a tool by those fanatics who wish to start conflict, as a means to enlist people into their armies. Been this way for centuries. | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. " I agree you won’t stop it but you can definitely reduce it with reducing poverty, education , increasing employment opportunities. The people who are radicalised are those with the fewest opportunities in life | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. I agree you won’t stop it but you can definitely reduce it with reducing poverty, education , increasing employment opportunities. The people who are radicalised are those with the fewest opportunities in life " . The 911 hijackers were actually university educated and well off, bin Laden was very well off. It's really not as simple as that. | |||
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"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? " You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it. | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. I agree you won’t stop it but you can definitely reduce it with reducing poverty, education , increasing employment opportunities. The people who are radicalised are those with the fewest opportunities in life . The 911 hijackers were actually university educated and well off, bin Laden was very well off. It's really not as simple as that." Who said it was simple? It's hugely complicated. That's the basis in my opinion. You often criticise and mock. What's your solution or do we just do nothing? | |||
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"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. I agree you won’t stop it but you can definitely reduce it with reducing poverty, education , increasing employment opportunities. The people who are radicalised are those with the fewest opportunities in life . The 911 hijackers were actually university educated and well off, bin Laden was very well off. It's really not as simple as that." I think we have all agreed that you won't stop it, and that "it's not as simple as that". However, if you have less aggrieved people in the world, and more people living comfortable, happy lives, fulfilling lives, you will have less people with a reason to want to kick it all over. For extremists to be able to recruit they need a pool of unhappy, disenfranchised people, reduce that pool and you reduce the opportunity for recruitment. Of course there will always be nutters, at all levels of society, and they will find reasons for killing people come what may. That's what the Police and security services are there for. But let's not unnecessarily swell the ranks of the disaffected... | |||
"If your really bothered about it emigrate to Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. "Aren’t you bothered about terrorism?? | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it." How is GB screwing these people over? | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it.How is GB screwing these people over?" Why does Pakistan exist? | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it.How is GB screwing these people over? Why does Pakistan exist? " Yes, exactly. Just about everywhere in the world where there is conflict and division, it's historical genesis was the actions of European nations (or if not, these actions fuelled it further), with the US joining in with glee since it came into existence. But what makes it worse, is that in this new age of communication and knowledge, where more people can see the truth of this. We actually seem to be doubling down on the damage, then moaning when it all comes back to haunt us. | |||
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"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it.How is GB screwing these people over? Why does Pakistan exist?" religion again mate | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? You don't fuck them over and use them as a political tool. You have to fix everything everywhere. You don't think that you do best by screwing everyone else over. It's difficult, but so many claim too difficult and it's best to look after yourself. That will not work either because it comes to get you. As now. You reduce inequality, you lose the envy and resentment that drives it.How is GB screwing these people over? Why does Pakistan exist?religion again mate " Of course, that's the only element involved. Nothing to do with colonialism, imperialism and then partition? | |||
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"I always find it interesting that these debates always seem to forget that we couldn't stop terrorism in Nirthetn Ireland despite flooding the province with troops and that despite our best efforts and the Good Friday agreement it is still onging. " But it is drastically reduced, and without the British Army on the streets anymore. I find it interesting that the solution that got us to this, much better, place is the solution that Corbyn is always being slated for, i.e. talking to terrorists. | |||
"If your really bothered about it emigrate to Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it.
Aren’t you bothered about terrorism?? ". No not really. | |||
"You can minimise the cause of terrorism by reducing poverty, raising education, raising employment. Next phase is reducing corruption and monotheism. Generally comes as a consequence of the first phase.yeah great ideology how do you intend to do that in places like pakistan,afganistan,somalia indonesia etc? The vast majority of Terrorists attacks in this country were committed by British citizens True mate but while you have these fanatics radicalizing people on the internet there will be more.You will never stop it its all about religion and that has been causing wars since the year dot.People will interpret the bible or Quran to what suites them and if they see it as saying as some do that Mohammad demanded that none believers be killed you are not going to stop it. I agree you won’t stop it but you can definitely reduce it with reducing poverty, education , increasing employment opportunities. The people who are radicalised are those with the fewest opportunities in life . The 911 hijackers were actually university educated and well off, bin Laden was very well off. It's really not as simple as that. Who said it was simple? It's hugely complicated. That's the basis in my opinion. You often criticise and mock. What's your solution or do we just do nothing?" . I would say do nothing, it's much cheaper and will get pretty much the exact same results as all your bollocks spouted.  | |||
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"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. " Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point" . East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. "That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right. | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right.". Douglas Murray nailed it, As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get. | |||
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"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right..
Douglas Murray nailed it,
As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get."The more Catholics you have the more Catholic terrorism you get. | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right..
Douglas Murray nailed it,
As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get."Yes and that is right what he said too. | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right..
Douglas Murray nailed it,
As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get."What is the point you are trying to make? | |||
"Some terrorism can be stopped. All Irish people wanted was an equal vote, to not be shot walking down the street for being Irish, and to come and go from Ireland. Once they finally got it, well we seen violence evaporate. Sure there are some people dragging their heels, but its clear even those are evaporating. ETA just got rid of their weapons caches the other day. Again being treated fairly was their main concern. Then we get to muslim terrorisim. They enter the UK at a point where the UK attempts to treat everyone fairly, they are in no way singled out like groups were in the past. They are essentially given everything Irish people fought for by default. They are treated just like any other British person. But this is not enough for them, they actually want our way of life destroyed. As crazy as it seems, the UK has even given some room to them in this regard, allowing them to some extent to live by the rules of muslim closely. But this isnt what they want, they dont want fair treatment, they dont want jobs, they dont want a vote, they have all that, they want our way of life to end. These groups are not as dangerous as past groups like the IRA who had the capcity to turn a whole street into a warzone at any moment. Not in the UK anyway, their attacks are much lower tech, attacks that even the army couldnt stop one or two deaths happening before shooting them dead. The soldiers in France are there because in France they believe that the muslims posses the ability to turn parts of France into warzones. This is because they have so many more of them. Because of their type of terrorisim I think the only real solution is to stop accepting migrants from muslim countries. They are fleeing the affects of the muslim religion but want to carry on that religion here. To create a clear tone across all media and all schools, that we are secular in our day to day dealings. Its never gonna happen though, instead of TV telling someone to take off a hijab, the will run an advert asking for hijab only wearing people to apply for a job cause they want more diversity. To them diversity is not people expressing their views in a secular enviroment in a secular way, its ignoring the muslim who happily fits in with the British way of life to give a job to the one who lives by muslim rules above british rules." Wow. That's quite something. You seem to "know" quite a lot. What proportion of Muslims actually condone Islamic terrorism? How does that compare to the proportion of Irish Catholics in Ireland or the US who condoned the actions of the IRA? What is the data that informs you that "they actually want our way of life destroyed". All of them? Some? Is your primary source the Daily Mail or The Sun? | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception." In the UK? | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point" No, from 1974 to 2004 the vast majority of terrorist attacks on mainland Britain was done by the IRA, a very small hand full over that period was against various foreign states within the UK by foreign nationals. Islamic Terrorism kicked off in the UK with the 7/7 attacks in 2005 after our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq 2003, nothing at all to do with what Russia did prior to that. We are reaping what we've sowed unfortunately | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? " . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples  | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right..
Douglas Murray nailed it,
As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get.
The more Catholics you have the more Catholic terrorism you get.". That's also true. | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples "Exactly, and what happened in 1990? | |||
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"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? ". Nessum dorma? | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point No, from 1974 to 2004 the vast majority of terrorist attacks on mainland Britain was done by the IRA, a very small hand full over that period was against various foreign states within the UK by foreign nationals. Islamic Terrorism kicked off in the UK with the 7/7 attacks in 2005 after our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq 2003, nothing at all to do with what Russia did prior to that. We are reaping what we've sowed unfortunately " . Did you miss that big jumbo crashing on a town in Scotland?. | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?"No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990? | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?"How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists? | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?
How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists? ". No idea?. Ok I'll play your numbers game. Muslims numbered 0.11% of the UK population in 1961 and there was 7 mosques. Today there 5.5% of the population and there's 2500 mosques. More Islam equals more Islamic terrorism.  | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?
How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists? "43, 31 passengers 1 crew 11 on the ground. | |||
"Japan Korea Poland Hungary Iceland. They don't seem to have much if any of it. That is right and I havent heard of any attacks in the slavik countries either so they must do something right..
Douglas Murray nailed it,
As a rule of thumb, the more Islam you have the more Islamic terrorism you get.
The more Catholics you have the more Catholic terrorism you get..
That's also true."Then the question is how much bigger is "Islamic" terrorism than "Catholic" terrorism was as a proportion of the population. | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?
How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists?
43,
31 passengers
1 crew
11 on the ground."Was that "Islamic" terrorism? I'd characterise it as a Libyan state action. | |||
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"Lockerbie had nothing to do with religion. The US shot down an Iranian airliner in the summer of 1988. When the vice-president George Bush infamously declared he would never apologise for the US. Iran commissioned its proxies in Lebanon to even up the score." The two do have something in common though. A Bush stirs up a hornet's nest and we're the ones who end up getting stung. | |||
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"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?
How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists?
43,
31 passengers
1 crew
11 on the ground.
Was that "Islamic" terrorism?
I'd characterise it as a Libyan state action.". Well I wouldn't include Northern Ireland in religion either but you seem to want to. | |||
"Our Governments constant interventions in the Arab Muslim world starting with the 2nd Iraq war in the early 2000's is the reason for the Islamic Terrorism we now have and it's going to take generations for all the mass murder we've been guilty of since to slowly decline the hatred towards us. So until then no we can't stop it, only react to it. Not really true that is it, recent muslim terrorism began during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,osama bin laden first got involved at that point. East Timor predated even the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. The myth that Islamic terror comes from Western wars is utter claptrap. Islam has been terrorising since it's inception. In the UK? . It wasn't here in numbers before 1990. Simples
Exactly, and what happened in 1990? .
Nessum dorma?
No, that was released in 1972. It was the first Iraq war , no Islamic terrorism in the UK before 1990 ? Nearly 100 deaths due to Islamic terrorists after 1990?
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Lockerbie?
How many UK nationals were killed at Lockerbie ? let’s play your numbers game as you don’t care about Terrorists?
43,
31 passengers
1 crew
11 on the ground.
Was that "Islamic" terrorism?
I'd characterise it as a Libyan state action..
Well I wouldn't include Northern Ireland in religion either but you seem to want to. "No sectarian aspect to IRS terrorism then? OK | |||
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"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low." Tell that to the families whose loved ones have died from it | |||
"You can do the equations all ways but this is still the main input factors on the problem. Muslims numbered 0.11% of the UK population in 1961 and there was 7 mosques. Today there 5.5% of the population and there's 2500 mosques. More Islam equals more Islamic terrorism." Do you know how many Muslim Terrorists are British citizens compared with 1961? | |||
"You can do the equations all ways but this is still the main input factors on the problem. Muslims numbered 0.11% of the UK population in 1961 and there was 7 mosques. Today there 5.5% of the population and there's 2500 mosques. More Islam equals more Islamic terrorism. Do you know how many Muslim Terrorists are British citizens compared with 1961? " . Why what's nationality got to do with it?. | |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low." . That's because we've just gone through a forty year war with "Catholics"(not my term but easy as). If you remove that figure, were at all time highs. | |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low." Indeed but direct actions by our government's have swapped one form of terrorism for another | |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low. Indeed but direct actions by our government's have swapped one form of terrorism for another " . So what your saying is Western governments shouldn't ever intervene in Islamic countries or face the wrath of Muslims?. Bit like Salman Rushdies book, I mean who thought publishing that was a wise idea?. What else shouldn't the West do that will keep Muslims from getting angry?. | |||
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"Probably because it evens up your numbers game. If you exclude n Ireland the UK had practically zero terrorism. Or we could look at Frances numbers which would omit n Ireland problems. Oh yes, lots of Islamic terrorism back in the 70s." Just because something involves a Muslim country doesn't make it "Islamic". What was happening in the 1970s that led to terrorism in France? | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren "How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims? | |||
"You can do the equations all ways but this is still the main input factors on the problem. Muslims numbered 0.11% of the UK population in 1961 and there was 7 mosques. Today there 5.5% of the population and there's 2500 mosques. More Islam equals more Islamic terrorism. Do you know how many Muslim Terrorists are British citizens compared with 1961? . Why what's nationality got to do with it?." Because we are talking about Muslim terrorists in Britain? I will rephrase, do you know the percentage of Muslims when compared with Muslim terrorists deaths in 1961? Do you know the same figure in 1990, and again for 2019? And are you suggesting that more Muslims in the uk are the main reasons for more deaths caused by Islamic terrorists? Simples | |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low.Tell that to the families whose loved ones have died from it" Should there be a higher investment in anti-terrorism, road safety or reduction in obesity as a risk to public safety? | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?". About 21% | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?.
About 21% "21% of all Muslims violently attack others due to perceived attacks on Islam? Really? | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?.
About 21% "Source please? Or are you making things up again  | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?.
About 21%
21% of all Muslims violently attack others due to perceived attacks on Islam?
Really?". 2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians are justified to defend Islam. Globally, 72% of Muslims said it is never justified (compared to 81% of those in the US, according to a 2011 survey).[35] About 14% of Muslims in the nations surveyed (and 8% of Muslims in the US) said violence against civilians is "often" or "sometimes" justified. 46% of Muslims in Bangladesh believe attacks are either somewhat justified or often justified or rarely justified, 28% in Malaysia, 15% in Iraq, 44% in Jordan, 57% in Egypt, 57% in Afghanistan and 55% in the Palestinian territories.[36][37][38] The survey did not include some Muslim nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, but did include densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria and Indonesia.[39] According to a 2007 poll conducted by the PolicyExchange think tank in Britain, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16- to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law, against 17% of those over 55.[40] Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41 | |||
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"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren "You could put your cock away for starters | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
You could put your cock away for starters "Haha, it obviously hasn’t helped him on here | |||
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"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41 "Made you chuckle? Why? | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?.
About 21%
Source please? Or are you making things up again ". I ain't just whistling Dixie boy  | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? ". Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up. Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now."You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren "If you really are struggling to understand the recent history then I'll point it out for you... Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and nothing to do with your ridiculous suggestions | |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low.. That's because we've just gone through a forty year war with "Catholics"(not my term but easy as). If you remove that figure, were at all time highs." No, we are not. Look at the graphs. | |||
"Still it's only 1 million Muslims in the UK that think this way. Luckily the other 3 million just want to see them in prison for life. "Where did you get the 1 million figure from? | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? ". That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one "Just give me the figures. Is that ok? | |||
"French terrorism was the result of what happened in Algeria under their colonial rule - they have been very involved in Africa for years and it was our agreement with the french that led to the ludicrous division of north africa and arabia into countries that had no meaning for the tribal and religious groups that made up their population. History is a bloody useful tool to help you understand why we are here today! "I know, but boy wonder often uses half-understood out of context information to justify a point. I was encouraging him to find out for himself although he has been known to patronisingly tell people about using Google despite his own struggles with it  | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one "I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others ". Because that was the only poll available that was directly asking the question that easy as asked. Ie what percentage of Muslims would get "angry" over contradicting Islam. 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so. Just mull the figures over for a few minutes before telling me again how the problem is really 150 year old colonialism or a 30 year old invasion of Iraq (which by the way was backed by 90% of Muslim countries). | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
"...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action. I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night. That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action.". If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others .
Because that was the only poll available that was directly asking the question that easy as asked.
Ie what percentage of Muslims would get "angry" over contradicting Islam.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
Just mull the figures over for a few minutes before telling me again how the problem is really 150 year old colonialism or a 30 year old invasion of Iraq (which by the way was backed by 90% of Muslim countries).
"Get angry??
You need to widen your research, stop relying on Wikipedia . There are several other polls and surveys that contradict what you are stating? Why are you concentrating on just on set of research figures? What is your motivation for that | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action."Quite. He answers the question he wants to rather than what was asked. He may now understand the difference now that you've pointed it out but will not be able to acknowledge it. I may have a look at his extensive research later. It's progress that he is actually quoting where it came from though | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
"I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you. As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is. You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action.
Quite.
He answers the question he wants to rather than what was asked.
He may now understand the difference now that you've pointed it out but will not be able to acknowledge it.
I may have a look at his extensive research later. It's progress that he is actually quoting where it came from though
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"It's a shame this turned into a mud slinging contest. Sad fact is most people don't see eye to eye and control is rapidly lost, eg: neighbourly disputes etc where some live side by side for decades and a seemingly simple issue turns into a war. The world has become a very aggressive place sadly and we should at least try being nicer. I'm sure I will be lambasted for this but we are approaching the season of good will. " The world was always aggressive. It just went through a phase of being much more civilized in many ways. All of those pesky rules and agreements and modes of behaviour that people want to tear down. I agree though, that being kind doesn't seem to be an aspiration anymore. Even just not being a dick seems to be seen as soft nowadays | |||
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"What gets me is they keep on saying that the terrorist they just shot dead only served half of his sentence and so was released too early. Do they really expect people to believe that if he had served 100% of his sentence that he would not have just come out and done the same thing then? Sorry but he was always going to do it and so should have never been let out!! End of" I suppose the longer he'd spent in prison the higher the chance he'd of died of natural causes before being freed. That's why I like the idea of 150 year sentences if we aren't allowed to shoot them | |||
"What gets me is they keep on saying that the terrorist they just shot dead only served half of his sentence and so was released too early. Do they really expect people to believe that if he had served 100% of his sentence that he would not have just come out and done the same thing then? Sorry but he was always going to do it and so should have never been let out!! End of" Yes. I agree. We are a sucker for always wanting to find someone to blame, however. Our media demands it. | |||
"What gets me is they keep on saying that the terrorist they just shot dead only served half of his sentence and so was released too early. Do they really expect people to believe that if he had served 100% of his sentence that he would not have just come out and done the same thing then? Sorry but he was always going to do it and so should have never been let out!! End of Yes. I agree. We are a sucker for always wanting to find someone to blame, however. Our media demands it." I think it would sit differently with the public if a murderer kills again after serving a full sentence compared to a murderer killing again after only serving half their previous sentence for murder. | |||
"What gets me is they keep on saying that the terrorist they just shot dead only served half of his sentence and so was released too early. Do they really expect people to believe that if he had served 100% of his sentence that he would not have just come out and done the same thing then? Sorry but he was always going to do it and so should have never been let out!! End of Yes. I agree. We are a sucker for always wanting to find someone to blame, however. Our media demands it. I think it would sit differently with the public if a murderer kills again after serving a full sentence compared to a murderer killing again after only serving half their previous sentence for murder. " The average murderer would probably never do it again because the trigger no longer exits. With these religious nutters the trigger is always present so they would most likely do it again or would assist someone else to | |||
"What gets me is they keep on saying that the terrorist they just shot dead only served half of his sentence and so was released too early. Do they really expect people to believe that if he had served 100% of his sentence that he would not have just come out and done the same thing then? Sorry but he was always going to do it and so should have never been let out!! End of Yes. I agree. We are a sucker for always wanting to find someone to blame, however. Our media demands it. I think it would sit differently with the public if a murderer kills again after serving a full sentence compared to a murderer killing again after only serving half their previous sentence for murder. The average murderer would probably never do it again because the trigger no longer exits. With these religious nutters the trigger is always present so they would most likely do it again or would assist someone else to" I half agree with this. People do change. They are more likely to change if something is actually done to try and confront them with the reality of their religion or cause and the reality of who is directly affected and how. It will not always work. There is no rehabilitation in jail now though, for any crime so I have no idea what we expect to happen. | |||
" There is no rehabilitation in jail now though, for any crime so I have no idea what we expect to happen." Never to be released maybe? Can't do owt if you're unable to do it | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
". Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser. Your concluding that because, "36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so" Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?. Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though. Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
If you ever spend much time in London you will often see heavily armed policemen in main train stations, airports, around parliament etc and there are armed response vehicles patrolling constantly in the centre of town with the intention of being able to respond to a situation within three to four minutes. Terrorism will never disappear completely because even if the poor and disaffected were dragged up out of poverty there are still enough loopy people who want to set up cults and make their mark against society. A good example being the Japanese underground Sarin attacks from a few years ago. It just gets worse when religion or doctrine gets used as a reason for violence. Remember the murders of all those young Norwegians by that lunatic Breivik in 2011. Some of the people who post aggressive things on here do it for a wind up but some seem to think that they can spout any old nonsense because its the will of the people! Makes me sad for humanity sometimes!"That is right and yes I travel in london alot and I see them there especially at victoria train station, the difference from france is that there it is the military. | |||
"Satirical cartoons obviously they need to go. Alcohol, blasphemy, nudity, gays, trans. There's a whole list of stuff we should stop doing to stop angering our Muslim brethren
How many are angered enough to act on it violently as a proportion of all Muslims?.
About 21%
21% of all Muslims violently attack others due to perceived attacks on Islam?
Really?.
2013 Pew Research Center poll asked Muslims around the world whether suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians are justified to defend Islam. Globally, 72% of Muslims said it is never justified (compared to 81% of those in the US, according to a 2011 survey).[35] About 14% of Muslims in the nations surveyed (and 8% of Muslims in the US) said violence against civilians is "often" or "sometimes" justified. 46% of Muslims in Bangladesh believe attacks are either somewhat justified or often justified or rarely justified, 28% in Malaysia, 15% in Iraq, 44% in Jordan, 57% in Egypt, 57% in Afghanistan and 55% in the Palestinian territories.[36][37][38] The survey did not include some Muslim nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, and Libya, but did include densely populated Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria and Indonesia.[39] According to a 2007 poll conducted by the PolicyExchange think tank in Britain, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16- to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law, against 17% of those over 55.[40] Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41"So, as has been pointed out to you already you have not indicated what proportion of Muslims are willing to carry out a violent attack. Nor even the arrest statistics in the UK for Islamic terrorism. All you have found is information regarding that a certain proportion of Muslims worldwide think that there may be some justification in attacking civilians to protect Islam. Is there an equivalent survey for non-Muslims? That is the control isn't it? Is it there some justification to attack civilians to protect your country? Your way of life? 21% might agree? Higher or lower? The results from the 2006 Populs pole for Policy exchange are concerning. Particularly for the generational gap, with younger men endorsing death for apostasy far more strongly than older ones. However, the sample is heavily biased to those who pray 5 times per day which is uncommonly devout. The question also implies that most Muslim scholars agree on the penalty for apostasy to be death. That is not true, but biases the views of the zealous. Regardless, this attitude is unacceptable. Happy to help add some more detailed information to your superficial Google sources | |||
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"What a load of bollocks. They never asked me or any Muslims I know " Exactly, these type of polls are generally from a small sample, with the selection criteria being poor. Another statistic bandied about is the "80% of Jews" are scared of Labour. This comes from a poll by YouGov of just over 2000 people! They are total bollocks. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
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Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
"Very poor. Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof. Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it. These kids don't have that, there is no comparison. They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. | |||
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"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing "Military walking the streets is TERRORISM. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
The focus needs to be on cutting off the source. Stopping the recruitment.
Anything else is reactionary."So. Cutting the UK’s source. Yes. I agree! You’re right. Then we’ll stop committing murder and maybe, just maybe! We’ll stop getting these REVENGE attacks. Those 2 innocent, young people murdered. Nothing will change. More will die. As long as we think our superiority is above all else. Our government, yet AGAIN has blood on their hands. Even Jack’s father has said so... Absolutely disgusting. Scarlett. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
Military walking the streets is TERRORISM. "I'm not sure that it is terrorism. I would say that it is a victory for terrorism. After the latest London attack I went out. I just checked that the trains were working and we'd all getb in on time. Not going out wasn't a consideration. That's defeating terrorism. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. ". Omg, you seriously don't get it do you. I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion. 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so. There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents. Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
The focus needs to be on cutting off the source. Stopping the recruitment.
Anything else is reactionary.
So. Cutting the UK’s source. Yes. I agree! You’re right.
Then we’ll stop committing murder and maybe, just maybe! We’ll stop getting these REVENGE attacks.
Those 2 innocent, young people murdered. Nothing will change. More will die. As long as we think our superiority is above all else.
Our government, yet AGAIN has blood on their hands. Even Jack’s father has said so...
Absolutely disgusting.
Scarlett. "Well indeed. And as has been pointed out. These attacks fuel islamaphobia and hate. Which is a vicious cycle. | |||
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"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
"Nobody gets it because you don't explain it. You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point. Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention: The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population. The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be. This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question. The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about. So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people? For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching. If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager ". You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting. Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
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"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
"Yes, I would . | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . ". Stop butting in our conversation you. I'm waiting to hear back from Allah | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . .
Stop butting in our conversation you.
I'm waiting to hear back from Allah "Come on Tommy Robinson, show us the other poll results | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing "Yes. Boris will stop it. He hasn't put a word about it in his party manifesto or breathed a word about it before last week, but it's actually his life's ambition. He will do it. He will get ending terrorism done the moment he gets Bexit done. So second day in office I'd say. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
Yes. Boris will stop it. He hasn't put a word about it in his party manifesto or breathed a word about it before last week, but it's actually his life's ambition. He will do it. He will get ending terrorism done the moment he gets Bexit done. So second day in office I'd say."Stop being so negative, he will sort Brexit in the morning, terrorism in the afternoon | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . .
Stop butting in our conversation you.
I'm waiting to hear back from Allah
Come on Tommy Robinson, show us the other poll results ". Calm your gender neutral panties Joseph Stalin, there'll be time for your gulags after this conversation. | |||
"I dont think you can totally stop it, but only to reduce the chances of it happening, should the military be walking the streets like they do in france? I saw them in the paris train station when I was on holiday there and they walked with machine guns. I want again to say how brave the police and the people at london bridge was, the police did the right thing
Yes. Boris will stop it. He hasn't put a word about it in his party manifesto or breathed a word about it before last week, but it's actually his life's ambition. He will do it. He will get ending terrorism done the moment he gets Bexit done. So second day in office I'd say.
Stop being so negative, he will sort Brexit in the morning, terrorism in the afternoon "That only gives him lunchtime to sell the NHS. He is going to review IR35 in his teabreak (and make it worse). He will end child poverty by teleconference on the journey home. Good old Boris he's got my vote. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . .
Stop butting in our conversation you.
I'm waiting to hear back from Allah
Come on Tommy Robinson, show us the other poll results .
Calm your gender neutral panties Joseph Stalin, there'll be time for your gulags after this conversation.
"Ooooo, the Tommy Robinson comparison hit a nerve ?? I thought he would be ‘your man’ ? he is a hero to you and your fellow UKIP voters | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . .
Stop butting in our conversation you.
I'm waiting to hear back from Allah
Come on Tommy Robinson, show us the other poll results .
Calm your gender neutral panties Joseph Stalin, there'll be time for your gulags after this conversation.
Ooooo, the Tommy Robinson comparison hit a nerve ?? I thought he would be ‘your man’ ? he is a hero to you and your fellow UKIP voters ". Oooo the Joseph starling mass murderer hit a nerve did it, I always knew you were a fan. Do you realise how childish you look, all I'm doing is repeating the opposite of what you wrote. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
"You hold your ignorance tight and broadcast it loudly
The data on executing people if they leave Islam is not from a Pew poll cup-cake.
I suggested that you look it up, but you chose not to.
Now, eat your greens | |||
| |||
"Deaths from terrorism in the UK are at an all-time low.Tell that to the families whose loved ones have died from it Should there be a higher investment in anti-terrorism, road safety or reduction in obesity as a risk to public safety?" I think we should all eat more Pork. It’s a vastly more sustainable meat. As well as teaching children about LGBT issues, Swedish meatballs should be compulsory for lunch in all schools, particularly in Birmingham. And you know that free milk thingy; cancel that and replace it with bacon sarnies wif lots of HP. HP is great | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
You hold your ignorance tight and broadcast it loudly
The data on executing people if they leave Islam is not from a Pew poll cup-cake.
I suggested that you look it up, but you chose not to.
Now, eat your greens ". Well that's a pity because there's lots of favourable data, most US Muslims mingle more, consider themselves less hardliners, the figures for accepting homosexuality increases above 50%, there far less likely to want Sharia law. Oh come on, I never said it was all bad data on polling .
Plenty of positives the glass is half full not half empty. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
You hold your ignorance tight and broadcast it loudly
The data on executing people if they leave Islam is not from a Pew poll cup-cake.
I suggested that you look it up, but you chose not to.
Now, eat your greens .
Well that's a pity because there's lots of favourable data, most US Muslims mingle more, consider themselves less hardliners, the figures for accepting homosexuality increases above 50%, there far less likely to want Sharia law.
Oh come on, I never said it was all bad data on polling .
Plenty of positives the glass is half full not half empty."Hallelujah; I’d drink to that . Cheers. Hic | |||
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"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
You hold your ignorance tight and broadcast it loudly
The data on executing people if they leave Islam is not from a Pew poll cup-cake.
I suggested that you look it up, but you chose not to.
Now, eat your greens .
Well that's a pity because there's lots of favourable data, most US Muslims mingle more, consider themselves less hardliners, the figures for accepting homosexuality increases above 50%, there far less likely to want Sharia law.
Oh come on, I never said it was all bad data on polling .
Plenty of positives the glass is half full not half empty."Good diversion
You chose the negative data to frame discussion around.
You misinterpreted and misquoted it but if you learn from your mistakes that's fine. I've had more years of mistakes to learn from.
Most people in most of the world are, actually, very open and pleasent and spend their time looking after their friends and family and even their wider community.
Sadly they don't make the headlines. | |||
"This bit particularly made me chuckle. Also 36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.[41
Made you chuckle? Why? .
Because of your pompous reply that I'm making things up.
Turns out I was actually way low on my estimation .
You must feel like a right bell end now.
You did make it up, can you clarify how many people took part in the PEW research? And how many Muslims there are in the world?? .
That's not how polling works .
Oh Jesus help me with this one
I have just had a look on the Wikipedia page you have been reading (you do seem to get all your information from them) , it seems there are several polls and studies that contradict the PEW research that you are quoting? Can you explain why you choose the PEW research and none of the others
...and even if those figures are accurate. The question it asked was what do you think, not whether you would take that violent action.
I am sure if asked I would say that it would be justifiable for me to go next door and punch the buggers when they are playing their music loud late at night.
That does not mean that I would actually go and take that violent action..
If you think punching somebody for playing loud music at inappropriate times is the same as killing somebody for the crime of leaving a religion then you my friend are an extremist and need to be put on a watch list.
I bet you struggled with comprehension tests at school didn't you.
As neither act is going to be carried out by the person being "polled" it's irrelevant what the act is.
You were claiming that 21% of British Muslims were willing to commit acts of violence for their beliefs. Which was not what that polling actually demonstrated at all.
.
Omg you really are an extremist sympathiser.
Your concluding that because,
"36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so"
Want it done but aren't willing to do it themselves doesn't make them "violent"! Is that what your saying?.
Firstly we don't know if there willing to do it themselves as the polling only asked if they agree with the statement, that fact alone doesn't seem to faze you though.
Secondly Hitler didn't actually kill any Jews himself, he only agreed with statements that killing Jews was right, by your logic he was harmless and his rantings were nothing to worry about.
Very poor.
Your own statement admits the failing of the stats "we don't know if there(sic) willing". There you go, you don't know, so stop there, rather than trying to claim something as proof.
Hitler didn't do it himself, but had the power and authority to order it.
These kids don't have that, there is no comparison.
They are probably just trying to sound tough. Kids do that. .
Omg, you seriously don't get it do you.
I'm trying to point out where extremism comes from, the source as you like to say and there it is, in those figures, everything else is irrelevant, how its triggered is a different discussion, what methods may keep it quelled is a different discussion.
36% of 16- to 24-year-olds British Muslims believed that those converting to another religion should be executed. Less than a fifth of those over 55 think so.
There, that's where extremism comes from, taught to them at an early age, drilled into ones head from pre school to mosque to prayer to parents.
Now as I said right at the beginning, WE are not going to stop terrorism, certainly not this particular type, we may cut it off at the source if we engage the right conversations, not between you and I though but between Muslims, imams, parents, teachers because the source is the Koran and the teaching of it, literal interpretations need to go, reformations need to happen, liberalism needs to be sought, tolerance needs to be two way.
Nobody gets it because you don't explain it.
You pick some isolated piece of data and tell everyone that they are stupid rather than actually make a point.
Here is what you will have picked up by now if you were paying attention:
The poll deliberately included almost 50% very devout Muslims. Those who pray 5 times a day. This is unrepresentative of the UK Muslim population.
The group that paid for the survey will give you an indication of why that might be.
This religiously conservative group were then asked a highly contentious question which, falsely, also implies that it was the majority view of Muslim scholars. This primed the question.
The outcome is that a relatively high proportion responded in a way that someone who hasn't understood the data (meaning you) gets excited about.
So as you are so good with the internet, why don't you run along and do your due diligence before trying to patronise people?
For the record, I agree that Islam does not appear to be taught as it should. Much of this is to do with the import of Imams from conservative countries rather than those brought up in the UK teaching.
If you were able to communicate in a more pleasant way, people might actually pay attention to you. You haven't learned how to yet, but perhaps one day you will stop behaving like a precocious teenager .
You've just spent three paragraphs insulting me over and over and calling me out for being insulting.
Baby Jesus give me strength .
Pew polls are a very prestigious world wide outfit.
They've done plenty more polling on Muslim opinions that I haven't yet bothered posting on here, would you like to them?.
Yes, I would . .
Stop butting in our conversation you.
I'm waiting to hear back from Allah
Come on Tommy Robinson, show us the other poll results .
Calm your gender neutral panties Joseph Stalin, there'll be time for your gulags after this conversation.
Ooooo, the Tommy Robinson comparison hit a nerve ?? I thought he would be ‘your man’ ? he is a hero to you and your fellow UKIP voters .
Oooo the Joseph starling mass murderer hit a nerve did it, I always knew you were a fan.
Do you realise how childish you look, all I'm doing is repeating the opposite of what you wrote.
"Calm down Tommy, it is only banter | |||
"It's not all good news though either. ICM commissioned polling for ch4 found 25% of UK Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law then UK law, half thought homosexuality should be illegal, 39% thought gay people should be barred from teaching in schools. If you really want to get at the core ideology for extremism that is where you start. All Religions are relatively good things at heart they only become problematic when you start taking them very seriously. If your of the firm belief that Noah really did take them in two by two or that Mohammed flew to the moon on a winged horse and split it in half then I suggest that reprogramming you might be harder than the authorities claim." Sam Harris(a liberal himself) was butchered by all the fellow liberals for pointing out this harsh truth. While he was arguing with facts and research, all his haters did was to call him racist repeatedly. As you said, it is not easy to fix someone who has been indoctrinated with extremist philosophy from childhood. | |||
"It's not all good news though either. ICM commissioned polling for ch4 found 25% of UK Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law then UK law, half thought homosexuality should be illegal, 39% thought gay people should be barred from teaching in schools. If you really want to get at the core ideology for extremism that is where you start. All Religions are relatively good things at heart they only become problematic when you start taking them very seriously. If your of the firm belief that Noah really did take them in two by two or that Mohammed flew to the moon on a winged horse and split it in half then I suggest that reprogramming you might be harder than the authorities claim. Sam Harris(a liberal himself) was butchered by all the fellow liberals for pointing out this harsh truth. While he was arguing with facts and research, all his haters did was to call him racist repeatedly. As you said, it is not easy to fix someone who has been indoctrinated with extremist philosophy from childhood." I have no argument with indoctrination being a bad thing. I take exception at using poor quality poll data to imply that it is a common problem. Again, if you take the trouble to look at the source data for the Ch4 ICM poll you will see that most of the polling was taken in strongly Muslim areas which are more likely to be religiously and socially conservative than the general Muslim population. Again, have a look yourself. | |||
"It's not all good news though either. ICM commissioned polling for ch4 found 25% of UK Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law then UK law, half thought homosexuality should be illegal, 39% thought gay people should be barred from teaching in schools. If you really want to get at the core ideology for extremism that is where you start. All Religions are relatively good things at heart they only become problematic when you start taking them very seriously. If your of the firm belief that Noah really did take them in two by two or that Mohammed flew to the moon on a winged horse and split it in half then I suggest that reprogramming you might be harder than the authorities claim. Sam Harris(a liberal himself) was butchered by all the fellow liberals for pointing out this harsh truth. While he was arguing with facts and research, all his haters did was to call him racist repeatedly. As you said, it is not easy to fix someone who has been indoctrinated with extremist philosophy from childhood. I have no argument with indoctrination being a bad thing. I take exception at using poor quality poll data to imply that it is a common problem. Again, if you take the trouble to look at the source data for the Ch4 ICM poll you will see that most of the polling was taken in strongly Muslim areas which are more likely to be religiously and socially conservative than the general Muslim population. Again, have a look yourself." Just had a look. They selected areas with more than 20% Muslim population. But these areas contribute to more than 50% of muslims. And even if you do the same survey with today's Christian conservatives, Hindu conservatives and Jewish conservatives, how many of them do you think, would say homosexuality should be made illegal or ask for a separate law like Sharia for themselves? Look at Birmingham protests against LGBT education. You hardly see non-muslim people in the protests. | |||
"It's not all good news though either. ICM commissioned polling for ch4 found 25% of UK Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law then UK law, half thought homosexuality should be illegal, 39% thought gay people should be barred from teaching in schools. If you really want to get at the core ideology for extremism that is where you start. All Religions are relatively good things at heart they only become problematic when you start taking them very seriously. If your of the firm belief that Noah really did take them in two by two or that Mohammed flew to the moon on a winged horse and split it in half then I suggest that reprogramming you might be harder than the authorities claim. Sam Harris(a liberal himself) was butchered by all the fellow liberals for pointing out this harsh truth. While he was arguing with facts and research, all his haters did was to call him racist repeatedly. As you said, it is not easy to fix someone who has been indoctrinated with extremist philosophy from childhood. I have no argument with indoctrination being a bad thing. I take exception at using poor quality poll data to imply that it is a common problem. Again, if you take the trouble to look at the source data for the Ch4 ICM poll you will see that most of the polling was taken in strongly Muslim areas which are more likely to be religiously and socially conservative than the general Muslim population. Again, have a look yourself. Just had a look. They selected areas with more than 20% Muslim population. But these areas contribute to more than 50% of muslims. And even if you do the same survey with today's Christian conservatives, Hindu conservatives and Jewish conservatives, how many of them do you think, would say homosexuality should be made illegal or ask for a separate law like Sharia for themselves? Look at Birmingham protests against LGBT education. You hardly see non-muslim people in the protests. " Look at Northern Ireland. Is this religion or is this social attitudes? What do Hindus think about homosexuality here or in India? You do understand that I'm not saying that illiberal attitudes and behaviour is acceptable, but you only have to look at some of the other threads to see what some of the "ethnic" British think on a number of topics. | |||
"It's not all good news though either. ICM commissioned polling for ch4 found 25% of UK Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law then UK law, half thought homosexuality should be illegal, 39% thought gay people should be barred from teaching in schools. If you really want to get at the core ideology for extremism that is where you start. All Religions are relatively good things at heart they only become problematic when you start taking them very seriously. If your of the firm belief that Noah really did take them in two by two or that Mohammed flew to the moon on a winged horse and split it in half then I suggest that reprogramming you might be harder than the authorities claim. Sam Harris(a liberal himself) was butchered by all the fellow liberals for pointing out this harsh truth. While he was arguing with facts and research, all his haters did was to call him racist repeatedly. As you said, it is not easy to fix someone who has been indoctrinated with extremist philosophy from childhood. I have no argument with indoctrination being a bad thing. I take exception at using poor quality poll data to imply that it is a common problem. Again, if you take the trouble to look at the source data for the Ch4 ICM poll you will see that most of the polling was taken in strongly Muslim areas which are more likely to be religiously and socially conservative than the general Muslim population. Again, have a look yourself. Just had a look. They selected areas with more than 20% Muslim population. But these areas contribute to more than 50% of muslims. And even if you do the same survey with today's Christian conservatives, Hindu conservatives and Jewish conservatives, how many of them do you think, would say homosexuality should be made illegal or ask for a separate law like Sharia for themselves? Look at Birmingham protests against LGBT education. You hardly see non-muslim people in the protests. Look at Northern Ireland. Is this religion or is this social attitudes? What do Hindus think about homosexuality here or in India? You do understand that I'm not saying that illiberal attitudes and behaviour is acceptable, but you only have to look at some of the other threads to see what some of the "ethnic" British think on a number of topics. " What's with Northern Ireland? In India, homosexuality was recently decriminalised. In fact, kamasutra has a dedicated chapter for homosexuality
There are some fringe elements in India who raise their voices once in a while. Nothing stopped us from passing laws for LGBT rights.
There are twelve countries which have death penalty for homosexuals. All of them follow Sharia law.
Having an opinion is one thing. But having the mindset to accept is another thing. If I ask my parents, they don't think homosexuality as a good thing. But they accept that societies have mordenised and this is the way forward. When LGBT was decriminalised in India, they had no qualms about it. Hindus convert to other religions very often. Hindus hate it. But they don't say that people who convert from Hinduism should be killed.
This is the problem with Islam. Having strong opinions against homosexuality, atheism etc is one thing. But other religions have developed tolerance/acceptance towards it. They don't go around protesting for laws against them. They don't ask for people to be killed for conversion. Whereas Islam as a religion has serious issues when it comes to tolerance. | |||
