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"I don't blame them. Someone standing for the leadership of the UK saying Israel's right to exist is up for debate. "That is right too. | |||
"The media will blow it out of proportion." . Like you do with Brexit? | |||
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"Read it again , he isn’t saying Israel should or shouldn’t exist ? Don’t see an issue here ?" Same here. I cant see anything wrong with it. | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. " It’s a very difficult one to balance and it seems to me that Corbyn was explaining the pressure the BBC is under from pro-Israeli groups who actively pursue any perceived bias against Israel rather than questioning its right to exist. He is an old school socialist and probably thinks that the Palestinians are oppressed by Israel and that there doesn’t appear to be any room for compromise (or humility) from the state of Israel and so he is willing to put himself out on a limb and talk to those who some view as terrorists. If you don’t try to negotiate with your opponents then you stagnate. Theres too much saber rattling and not enough reflection in the world at the moment. Oh and just for those who are ready to jump at the opportunity, I have many jewish friends going back to my early childhood and some of them are very pro Corbyn and some are appalled by him - it’s just like real life  | |||
"Read it again , he isn’t saying Israel should or shouldn’t exist ? Don’t see an issue here ?Same here. I cant see anything wrong with it." Same if the contention is with the quote; ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ .. then depending on what comes before or after it it looks like Corbyn is questioning what the PM is vetting prior to it being aired. If anything he's saying it isn't a democracy for doing that. Will have to see the clip - no doubt it'll be short.. | |||
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"Finally people can see why Jewish members of the labour party are feeling let down. Having said that, the whole context of the piece would need to be seen. Doesn't change my opinion of him, he's still a twat. Labour need to remove him immediately and replace him to have any chance in the GE." If they remove him, and put someone more palatable to the establishment and the mainstream media. Labour could lose some of their support from the elements who like him. I don't know what the offset would be. But it's not as simple as booting him and seeing their support rise in the polls. | |||
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"I think it will sink labour bob best thing for them to do now is keep Corbyn thornberry aboott of the Telly " How about the very capable, well rounded and not the least racist MP for Leeds Richard Burgon. (poop in your own goves-hat-and-shoes emoji) | |||
"I think it will sink labour bob best thing for them to do now is keep Corbyn thornberry aboott of the Telly " Do you care about Boris and his racism.Of course you don’t. You’ll vote Tory right?? People care little about Israel.. Labour is stealing remainer votes from the lib dems and greens . | |||
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"He is framing Israel's right to exist as something that is part of a propaganda exercise by Israel. The fact Israel feels the need to assert it's right is held up as something to be critical of Israel. I'm with Blair on this one - he isn't fit to lead." | |||
"Read it again , he isn’t saying Israel should or shouldn’t exist ? Don’t see an issue here ?Same here. I cant see anything wrong with it. Same if the contention is with the quote; ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ .. then depending on what comes before or after it it looks like Corbyn is questioning what the PM is vetting prior to it being aired. If anything he's saying it isn't a democracy for doing that. Will have to see the clip - no doubt it'll be short.. " That is right noone is allowed to say or critise them without being labelled, the media is making a big deal about it cos they have a political agenda. | |||
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"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench." "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre." You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. " Maybe. But I prefer it to the Tories policy of fleecing the poor instead of clamping down tax dodging corporations. Meanwhile completely failing to adequately fund any social enterprises, the NHS, the police, etc. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. Maybe. But I prefer it to the Tories policy of fleecing the poor instead of clamping down tax dodging corporations. Meanwhile completely failing to adequately fund any social enterprises, the NHS, the police, etc." I might to if I thought it was deliverable in the terms laid out but I don't. I might even prefer it if they were being honest about the real cost that the plans would have for everyone but they're not. If they can't be trusted to tell the truth on how much it's all going to cost and how it's all going to be payed for then why should I believe them on anything else? | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre." Blair was slightly left of centre, which is why he got elected on a landslide. Our country likes centrist or centre-right governments. Corbyn is hard left. That's why he keeps losing elections, referendums and his own party supporters. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. Blair was slightly left of centre, which is why he got elected on a landslide. Our country likes centrist or centre-right governments. Corbyn is hard left. That's why he keeps losing elections, referendums and his own party supporters." Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn." Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students. | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students." I'm none of those and I'm voting labour so there goes that theory.  | |||
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"People in places like Liverpool, Sunderland etc would still vote labour if they murdered your family. " Because their parents did Because they are still angry at the Tories over Thatcher  | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students." You're viewpoint is very skewed. And your points aren't based on actual labour policies, but rather on your interpretation of them. I don't think anyone should, or shouldn't vote Labour. Do as you like. But one of the reasons this country is in such a pickle right now, is because people voted based on a load of nonsense printed in the mainstream media. | |||
"People in places like Liverpool, Sunderland etc would still vote labour if they murdered your family. " Same for Tories. Both parties have their strong holds. People don't even read their manifestos or look at the voting records of their MPs. They just vote for the. Blindly. | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students." A perfect and concise summary. It is difficult to see how his policies could appeal to any rational person. My preferences are to maximise taxation revenues by having a buoyant economy , not implementing policies that will destroy it . If he does win , could the last person to leave the UK please turn out the light . | |||
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"I think it will sink labour bob best thing for them to do now is keep Corbyn thornberry aboott of the Telly " How do you think keeping Corbyn off the telly will prevent people digging up old clips of him? The double standards of Johnson saying that people shouldn't look at all the crap he wrote in the past, and yet everyone judging Corbyn is quite remarkable. -Matt | |||
"People in places like Liverpool, Sunderland etc would still vote labour if they murdered your family. Same for Tories. Both parties have their strong holds. People don't even read their manifestos or look at the voting records of their MPs. They just vote for the. Blindly." Same with Manchester - who'll elected Burnham as Mayor over an Independent accountant/economist too. He's elected to Manchester but cares little for it. Everything is down to Westminster, not his own decision making. | |||
"People in places like Liverpool, Sunderland etc would still vote labour if they murdered your family. Same for Tories. Both parties have their strong holds. People don't even read their manifestos or look at the voting records of their MPs. They just vote for the. Blindly. Same with Manchester - who'll elected Burnham as Mayor over an Independent accountant/economist too. He's elected to Manchester but cares little for it. Everything is down to Westminster, not his own decision making. " Or Christopher Chope, the minister for upskirting, likely to be re-elected in Bournemouth. | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. " Are the people who indicted Benjamin Netanyahu Antisemitists? | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. " What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans? | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. Blair was slightly left of centre, which is why he got elected on a landslide. Our country likes centrist or centre-right governments. Corbyn is hard left. That's why he keeps losing elections, referendums and his own party supporters. Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn." . You do know the world's moved on since 1978!.  | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?" . Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever  | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. Blair was slightly left of centre, which is why he got elected on a landslide. Our country likes centrist or centre-right governments. Corbyn is hard left. That's why he keeps losing elections, referendums and his own party supporters. Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn.. You do know the world's moved on since 1978!. "Corbyn should have propheticLly known what would be politically correct. Of course you Boris Johnson doesn't have anything you can use against him from 1978 because he was 14. | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever "And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower? The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans? | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever
And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower?
The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans?". Errr yea well as I pointed out there not colonists as they've been there forever. | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever
And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower?
The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans?.
Errr yea well as I pointed out there not colonists as they've been there forever. "Ok then. How about organised crime? Does Boris Johnson support it? If not where did he develop such intense hatred for Sicilians? | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever
And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower?
The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans?.
Errr yea well as I pointed out there not colonists as they've been there forever.
Ok then.
How about organised crime? Does Boris Johnson support it?
If not where did he develop such intense hatred for Sicilians?". Your straw clutching now. That famous give the USA back to the native Americans analogy is full of holes, most of the tribes fought,conquered and butchered each other several times over a millennia for various "bits of the USA". All that happened was they all eventually lost the final battle for territory to the white man. | |||
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"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. " tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever
And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower?
The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans?.
Errr yea well as I pointed out there not colonists as they've been there forever.
Ok then.
How about organised crime? Does Boris Johnson support it?
If not where did he develop such intense hatred for Sicilians?.
Your straw clutching now.
That famous give the USA back to the native Americans analogy is full of holes, most of the tribes fought,conquered and butchered each other several times over a millennia for various "bits of the USA".
All that happened was they all eventually lost the final battle for territory to the white man.
"The same can be said of the tribe of Israel. They turned their backs on the God Jaweh and worshipped Ba'al. Then everyone took turns conquering them from the Assyrians to the Babylonians to the Persians. The point I'm making is that when Corbyn points to the behaviour of bankers it's Antisemitism, when he points out the corrupt behaviour of corporations it's Antisemitism and when he codemns Israeli rocket attacks against Palestinian civilians it's Antisemitism. I can't see hatred towards Jews in any of that but our press can make boat sound like ship so it doesn't matter. It's ammunition and if it doesn't make sense who cares. It's all smoke and no fire. | |||
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"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?. Which bits do you give to which tribe?, which bits do you give to the nomadic tribes?, what about the several bits that's been claimed by three different tribes? And finally you do realise Jewish people have lived on the land called Israel for like errr forever
And the Native Americans? Got there the week before the Mayflower?
The point is does Johnson support sending the descendants of colonialists back to the countries that they came from or does he have an intense hatred for Native Americans?.
Errr yea well as I pointed out there not colonists as they've been there forever.
Ok then.
How about organised crime? Does Boris Johnson support it?
If not where did he develop such intense hatred for Sicilians?.
Your straw clutching now.
That famous give the USA back to the native Americans analogy is full of holes, most of the tribes fought,conquered and butchered each other several times over a millennia for various "bits of the USA".
All that happened was they all eventually lost the final battle for territory to the white man.
The same can be said of the tribe of Israel. They turned their backs on the God Jaweh and worshipped Ba'al. Then everyone took turns conquering them from the Assyrians to the Babylonians to the Persians.
The point I'm making is that when Corbyn points to the behaviour of bankers it's Antisemitism, when he points out the corrupt behaviour of corporations it's Antisemitism and when he codemns Israeli rocket attacks against Palestinian civilians it's Antisemitism. I can't see hatred towards Jews in any of that but our press can make boat sound like ship so it doesn't matter. It's ammunition and if it doesn't make sense who cares. It's all smoke and no fire.". Haha only if you read the Bible as gospel.  | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?'" Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering " One of the benefits of being self employed | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering One of the benefits of being self employed "And a close friend is an accountant and the majority of his clients are self employed and blue collar workers who use every trick in the book to avoid paying tax with some highly dubious “ allowable “tax deductible expenses | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering " . Dunno but it wouldn't be for tax avoidance. The tax man is slightly cleverer than that, you probably looked like your card would bounce so opted for cash | |||
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"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering . Dunno but it wouldn't be for tax avoidance. The tax man is slightly cleverer than that, you probably looked like your card would bounce so opted for cash" Card bounce?????. Erm.... what are you smoking. So how do I get cash?. From my card. Cards don’t bounce - cheques bounce. Duh. | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students." As a Guardian reader I can tell you for sure that not even all of them are going to vote Labour with their current offerings. | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans?" Probably similar to his views on giving Britain back to the Celts, Ireland back to the Scots, North Africa back to the Romans or the Middle East back to the Greeks. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?'" I really don't think you're going to get much from clamping down on tax evasion from people earning around £80,000+. Most are employed and payed by PAYE. | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering " That's not tax avoidance, that's tax evasion. | |||
"Which labour policies are "hard left"? Most of his policies are akin to pre-thatcher Conservatives. I'm not suggesting that Labour would, or wouldn't, be better off with a different leader. But there is so much bollocks printed about Corbyn. Hard left policies - Massive state (biggest since the 40's) - Renationalisation on a huge scale - Huge focus on "social justice" - Huge taxes on the rich and business (highest corporation tax in europe) Literally nobody is going to vote Labour outside of immigrants, the unemployed, social justice warriors, Guardian readers, antisemites and students." You clearly havent the first idea what Corporation tax rates are in EU countries. Labour is proposing a rise to 26%. That would be lower than France, Germany, Portugal, Greece and Belgium to name just a few. | |||
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"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. What is Boris Johnson's view on giving the USA back to the Native Americans? Probably similar to his views on giving Britain back to the Celts, Ireland back to the Scots, North Africa back to the Romans or the Middle East back to the Greeks. " So then what would his view be on the creation of the Israeli state? | |||
"Few days has passed since this. Has there been any adverse effect on Labour on the polls?" No I dont think it have as he didnt do anything wrong. | |||
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"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering . Dunno but it wouldn't be for tax avoidance. The tax man is slightly cleverer than that, you probably looked like your card would bounce so opted for cash Card bounce?????. Erm.... what are you smoking. So how do I get cash?. From my card. Cards don’t bounce - cheques bounce. Duh. " . You missed my humorous point entirely, just because they wanted cash does not mean they were dodging tax. Dodging tax as a small business is much harder than people think, any fuel receipt, anything you buy with that cash can no longer be offset. Sure it goes on but to imagine it's at a "staggering" level is ridiculous. | |||
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"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering That's not tax avoidance, that's tax evasion. " Avoid, evade same shit different name | |||
"Whoever - I guess it matters not whom - has dug out a clip of Corbyn when he was a regular on the Iranian state channel, Press TV. Talking about the BBC and its coverage of Israel: ‘There is pressure on the BBC from the Israeli government and the Israeli embassy, they are very assertive towards all journalists and the BBC itself. ‘They challenge every single thing on reporting the whole time. ‘I think there is a bias towards saying that Israel is a democracy in the middle east, Israel has a right to exist, Israel has its security concerns.’ Very, very clumsy. Saying israel's right to exist is a matter of opinion. No. Just no. " For the many, not the Jew. | |||
"Well, he lost my vote." I actually think one thing is clear about him is that he is a pacifist and will talk the hind leg off a donkey rather than fight over anything. | |||
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"I think it will sink labour bob best thing for them to do now is keep Corbyn thornberry aboott of the Telly Do you care about Boris and his racism.Of course you don’t. You’ll vote Tory right?? People care little about Israel.. Labour is stealing remainer votes from the lib dems and greens . " no cudnt give a shit about Boris or any tories and yes I’ll probably vote fore them but it’s just to get brexit done and out the way and when labour get rid of that shower of shit I’ll switch back Yer they will steal votes but they will lose shit loads of labour leave voters | |||
"Nothing he says or does, good or bad, will change the inevitable. In about 10 days time he'll be out of a job. Hopefully along with his whole extremist front bench. "Extremist"! I suppose you could say he is extremely slightly to the left of centre. You could say that or you could say, whether you consider his policies centre or left, that they're unrealistic, especially when he says it can all be done by just 'a few rich' paying 'a little bit more'. It's a complete oxymoron to suggest that you can raise a large amount of money by just asking 'the few' to pay 'a little more' and most people realise that. tax evasion by the rich equates to more money than spent on welfare.'A few rich paying a bit more?' Everyone, EVERYONE does not like paying tax and if they could would avoid it. It’s not just the rich . I’ve had work done around the house by plumbers, builders, electricians, plasterers; you name it ; they’ve done work. All but one wanted cash . I wonder why. These are normal tradesmen. The amount of routine low level tax avoidance is staggering That's not tax avoidance, that's tax evasion. Avoid, evade same shit different name "No, it's completely different. Everyone avoids tax, even when it's only not paying income tax on their first £12,000 under PAYE or buying VAT or duty free goods at the airport. | |||
"Quick look at it and he appears to be stating what he thinks is the then BBC position, rather than that Israel shouldn't have a right to exist. " Exactly right....context is everything....hence google banning the torys lieing adverts | |||
"Quick look at it and he appears to be stating what he thinks is the then BBC position, rather than that Israel shouldn't have a right to exist. Exactly right....context is everything....hence google banning the torys lieing adverts" you are really clutching at straws watch the video. | |||
"Quick look at it and he appears to be stating what he thinks is the then BBC position, rather than that Israel shouldn't have a right to exist. Exactly right....context is everything....hence google banning the torys lieing advertsyou are really clutching at straws watch the video. "I have and I think you’re a little more desperate to be “right” than is good for you | |||
"Quick look at it and he appears to be stating what he thinks is the then BBC position, rather than that Israel shouldn't have a right to exist. Exactly right....context is everything....hence google banning the torys lieing advertsyou are really clutching at straws watch the video.
I have and I think you’re a little more desperate to be “right” than is good for you "I have deleted so many groups on Facebook because it just turns into a lynch mob x | |||
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"Isnt talking better than fighting" Wrong question on this forum. Our motto is make war not love. Who'd have thunk it? | |||
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"I think the crux if this iwas summed up in an article i read about the oligarchs and press influence the world over, the press have found the magic button which triggers people sufficiently to believe that immigration is somehow displacing them and their place in society, in reality , the reason weve had so much , is wage stagnation , in the uk , and a skills shortage , in many areas, people bang on about how much they dont trust someone who talks to terrorists, blah blah , the truth is , we cant tell the difference between a net abuser of its citizens human rights , and a more socially inclusive fairer society, because we never hear it through our narrow spectrum billionaire , non dom expats. The idea of austerity in any transparent society has regressed health outcomes by more than a century, there is only propaganda pumped along with the circus of media celeb , obsession and casual profiling of people in difficulty as lazy benefit cheats who get everything on a plate. We claim were a fair and just society , but weve just taken a decade of destruction from the party in power and voted them in again, somethings not right here! I refuse to believe society has walked back so far from giving a shit about , equality , public services , and social justice for the most vulnerable ! I sound so mych more stridently left wing than i did twenty years ago, but i honestly think i was unaware , probably willfully so on my part , of the effect of media deception and distraction, and a romantic idea which was bordering on fanciful that , blairs governement wre the answer to our prayers in delivering us from major , redwood portillo and tebbit , rifkind , (what a cunt) , and all rest , in reality they were probably stealing each others policies , so mych you couldnt fit a fag paper between centre and right ! , and meanwhile , korea pilloried, argentina , , african nations scoffed at for corruption and demanding justice from the colonial oppressors , but , look at places lime sierra leone , and nigeria , ghana and guinnea, oil diamonds and precious minerals , are hoovered up by colonial based corporations , and what staple is dictated as being most traded, fucking soya for animal feed! , we talk about sanctions as if these “developing nations “ need to be treated sternly to keep them from becoming rogue states, were the ones , keeping them from developing any self reliance and stability because of our hegemonic control And manipulation of the finance sectors around the fucking world , for us and the yanks , its fine to launder cartel money or tax avoided kickbacks from russian oligarchs no one is allowed to profit from illicit drug manufacture and traffic unless our banks handle the cash ! We tell other countries how to treat their citizens and run their economies as if we never have a collapse of the stock market , yet sure as egggs are eggs, every few years , the growth of buy now pay later , pops the banks liquidity and were all to blame , so we bail the bastards out! As george carlin said in jest , the people in charge want obedient workers nothing more ! and we all sleepwalk into quiet aqcuiescence! , it hurts to say this , to he wrong about the direction you want the country to take , yet still be in the minority , apparently , but stay quiet about it , no fuckjng way. " Try saying that out loud in one breath! | |||
"I think the crux if this iwas summed up in an article i read about the oligarchs and press influence the world over, the press have found the magic button which triggers people sufficiently to believe that immigration is somehow displacing them and their place in society, in reality , the reason weve had so much , is wage stagnation , in the uk , and a skills shortage , in many areas, people bang on about how much they dont trust someone who talks to terrorists, blah blah , the truth is , we cant tell the difference between a net abuser of its citizens human rights , and a more socially inclusive fairer society, because we never hear it through our narrow spectrum billionaire , non dom expats. The idea of austerity in any transparent society has regressed health outcomes by more than a century, there is only propaganda pumped along with the circus of media celeb , obsession and casual profiling of people in difficulty as lazy benefit cheats who get everything on a plate. We claim were a fair and just society , but weve just taken a decade of destruction from the party in power and voted them in again, somethings not right here! I refuse to believe society has walked back so far from giving a shit about , equality , public services , and social justice for the most vulnerable ! I sound so mych more stridently left wing than i did twenty years ago, but i honestly think i was unaware , probably willfully so on my part , of the effect of media deception and distraction, and a romantic idea which was bordering on fanciful that , blairs governement wre the answer to our prayers in delivering us from major , redwood portillo and tebbit , rifkind , (what a cunt) , and all rest , in reality they were probably stealing each others policies , so mych you couldnt fit a fag paper between centre and right ! , and meanwhile , korea pilloried, argentina , , african nations scoffed at for corruption and demanding justice from the colonial oppressors , but , look at places lime sierra leone , and nigeria , ghana and guinnea, oil diamonds and precious minerals , are hoovered up by colonial based corporations , and what staple is dictated as being most traded, fucking soya for animal feed! , we talk about sanctions as if these “developing nations “ need to be treated sternly to keep them from becoming rogue states, were the ones , keeping them from developing any self reliance and stability because of our hegemonic control And manipulation of the finance sectors around the fucking world , for us and the yanks , its fine to launder cartel money or tax avoided kickbacks from russian oligarchs no one is allowed to profit from illicit drug manufacture and traffic unless our banks handle the cash ! We tell other countries how to treat their citizens and run their economies as if we never have a collapse of the stock market , yet sure as egggs are eggs, every few years , the growth of buy now pay later , pops the banks liquidity and were all to blame , so we bail the bastards out! As george carlin said in jest , the people in charge want obedient workers nothing more ! and we all sleepwalk into quiet aqcuiescence! , it hurts to say this , to he wrong about the direction you want the country to take , yet still be in the minority , apparently , but stay quiet about it , no fuckjng way. " https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/city-london-centre-global-crime-scene/ If you understand the significance of the Square Mile in terms of the EU wanting to shut it all down then Brexit takes on a whole new meaning. This is probably what it's actually about. | |||
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"Its like , the bitterness and enmity thats been built up, stoked to the gunwalls by mail and sun, on immigrant swarm bollocks this , and go crisis that and schools full up , thats because of fifteen tears of deliberate starvation of funds from central governement to force private schools into the public consciousness, and diesel cars, and a fucking isa and a private pesnion and will , and mortgage yet , lack of will exists to address water poverty and pollutiion overfishing and plastic waste dumping , the concentration and distribution of accrued capital by the 1% , while hard working businesmen are denied lines of credit and instead choose to cut wages or employ cheaper labour , less qualified but eager and willing , and thankful for a chance. For five years after the tories took power , labour were blamed by the tories for the crash , yet the media kept silent , never questioning their bullshit narrative , yet when it was public knowledge , there was no outrage , no backlash for the misinformation amd lies from minsiters , and especially the fucking media fir its complicit silence . No regulation of those who caused it , in fact business as usual , cameron and osborne declared ! It was at this point the game changed and the future of the uk s sovereignty became the burning issue, not the issue of offshore tax havens , and money laundering by banks which nearly collapsed , but didnt because , we paid for them to stay afloat, ,?was it bacause of the future questions the eu might ask of our billionaires , mps and 1%. , to allow access to their offshore tax avoiding wealth , all the time claiming were all in this together . While taking and hoarding government corporate welfare , ! Plus a few billion to make hedging on the in/out decision , britain dives into recession, but the crispin odious and ress moggs rake in a few billion more, blame Iran for the war in yemen , but sell billions in arms to probably the most inept modern airforce on the fucking planet, to , know matter how sophisticated its giuidance or ordnance , they just cant avoid blowing up schools , food stires, refineries , power plants , and heavily populated areas housing mostly under 6s . Yet abortion law, alm of a sudden these cunts are prolife! Whos life ? " I agree with you except that money supposedly kept in offshore islands is actually kept in the Square Mile. Those 'havens' are just a front. | |||
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