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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit" Are you trolling? Or do you genuinely not care what he has called certain people? Do you not care what he seems to think of people? Do you not care that attacks can happen due to such careless and insulting language? | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit" . Just out of interest , did you vote leave ???? | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man?" Massively dislike the language and him! Up until the Brexit referendum we as a country had been making fantastic strides towards tolerance, integration and respect for each other's cultures. Then BOOM! The door was thrown open to any out of touch fascist to just start openly insulting anyone they've decided doesn't fit how they want their silly little england to be. We need to get back to being Great Britain again! | |||
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"I think when such language has come from an authority figure, it matters. It normalises certain language, mentality and even behaviour." Agreed, but also dislike it from anyone else also. BJ is vile  | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man? Massively dislike the language and him! Up until the Brexit referendum we as a country had been making fantastic strides towards tolerance, integration and respect for each other's cultures. Then BOOM! The door was thrown open to any out of touch fascist to just start openly insulting anyone they've decided doesn't fit how they want their silly little england to be. We need to get back to being Great Britain again! " 
Sadly we've got a long way to fall before there can be any attempt to reverse this trend. | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit" From many nations we are one people. Embrace the rainbow nation.. Your uniqueness will be added to our collective rainbow nation brother fire.. All are welcome..  | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit From many nations we are one people. Embrace the rainbow nation.. Your uniqueness will be added to our collective rainbow nation brother fire.. All are welcome.. ". I don't like skittles, there bad for your teeth and your mental health Stay woke bro  | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit From many nations we are one people. Embrace the rainbow nation.. Your uniqueness will be added to our collective rainbow nation brother fire.. All are welcome.. .
I don't like skittles, there bad for your teeth and your mental health
Stay woke bro"Being mindful is always beneficial to you and others ,your not alone . | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man? Massively dislike the language and him! Up until the Brexit referendum we as a country had been making fantastic strides towards tolerance, integration and respect for each other's cultures. Then BOOM! The door was thrown open to any out of touch fascist to just start openly insulting anyone they've decided doesn't fit how they want their silly little england to be. We need to get back to being Great Britain again!
Sadly we've got a long way to fall before there can be any attempt to reverse this trend."A man can dream.  | |||
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"It doesn't matter how rich, or poor, you may be... Xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, racism etc make you sound like an arse. I believe there are more important reasons not to vote for Johnson. These things just mean I respect him less" There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him. But I do think many of us underestimate the power of careless words. Johnson's careless words resulted in a lady being jailed in Iran. | |||
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"It doesn't matter how rich, or poor, you may be... Xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, racism etc make you sound like an arse. I believe there are more important reasons not to vote for Johnson. These things just mean I respect him less There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him. But I do think many of us underestimate the power of careless words. Johnson's careless words resulted in a lady being jailed in Iran." Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story mate it didnt result in her being jailed she was already in jail. | |||
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"It doesn't matter how rich, or poor, you may be... Xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, racism etc make you sound like an arse. I believe there are more important reasons not to vote for Johnson. These things just mean I respect him less There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him. But I do think many of us underestimate the power of careless words. Johnson's careless words resulted in a lady being jailed in Iran.Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story mate it didnt result in her being jailed she was already in jail." . No harm done then ,,,, | |||
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"It doesn't matter how rich, or poor, you may be... Xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, racism etc make you sound like an arse. I believe there are more important reasons not to vote for Johnson. These things just mean I respect him less There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him. But I do think many of us underestimate the power of careless words. Johnson's careless words resulted in a lady being jailed in Iran. Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story mate it didnt result in her being jailed she was already in jail." this issue is his words backed up the hardline iranians claims and were used to justify keeping her in prision... so lets not pretend that it certainly did not help the situation | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit Are you trolling? Or do you genuinely not care what he has called certain people? Do you not care what he seems to think of people? Do you not care that attacks can happen due to such careless and insulting language?" You asked for opinion, you can't complain when you get it  | |||
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"It doesn't matter how rich, or poor, you may be... Xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, racism etc make you sound like an arse. I believe there are more important reasons not to vote for Johnson. These things just mean I respect him less There are plenty of reasons not to vote for him. But I do think many of us underestimate the power of careless words. Johnson's careless words resulted in a lady being jailed in Iran. Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story mate it didnt result in her being jailed she was already in jail. this issue is his words backed up the hardline iranians claims and were used to justify keeping her in prision... so lets not pretend that it certainly did not help the situation" Maybe that was the issue _abio but that was not stated as you very well know.In this age of the internet soundbites im sure the poster believed that he got her jailed i am just pointing out the truth. | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit Are you trolling? Or do you genuinely not care what he has called certain people? Do you not care what he seems to think of people? Do you not care that attacks can happen due to such careless and insulting language? You asked for opinion, you can't complain when you get it "I was asking a genuine question as it felt like you were just trolling. | |||
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"It's the main reason we DO vote for him. Him and Trump are showing it's okay for people to use this language once more "Why is it alright to call me a Paki? | |||
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"It's the main reason we DO vote for him. Him and Trump are showing it's okay for people to use this language once more "It is bizarre some people think "he tells it like it is" about the like of Trump and Johnson. Actually, both men are incompetents and colossal liars. It's especially bizarre some people seem to think Johnson and Trump are "men of the people". They have both lived lives of rare privilege. They couldn't care less for "the common man" | |||
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"It's the main reason we DO vote for him. Him and Trump are showing it's okay for people to use this language once more "I suppose the upside around this is if racists feel empowered to use racist language again. It's easier to spot them and write them off and ignore them, everything they say and everything the stand for. | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness." No it isn’t | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness. No it isn’t " Yes it is. It's saying there's certain words or phrases that cannot be said. That is a restriction on free speech. It's that simple 
What Trump and Boris are doing is saying bollocks to that! | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness. No it isn’t Yes it is. It's saying there's certain words or phrases that cannot be said. That is a restriction on free speech. It's that simple
What Trump and Boris are doing is saying bollocks to that! "No it isn’t. | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man?" I have never judged people by the words that they use or what they say they will do. What matters is what you actually achieve in life. Johnson looks destined to become one of the greatest pms ever. Political correctness is irrelevant, it is achievements and results that count. Boris has my vote . He did a great job as mayor of London and people of all Nationalities loved him . The only people concerned about political correctness are white University educated types who probably do very little to help others anyway. The multi cultural population of London passed judgement on Boris and it was all favourable . Members of ethnic minorities are more than capable of standing up for themselves , the concept of political correctness is irrelevant to them. | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man? I have never judged people by the words that they use or what they say they will do. What matters is what you actually achieve in life. Johnson looks destined to become one of the greatest pms ever. Political correctness is irrelevant, it is achievements and results that count. Boris has my vote . He did a great job as mayor of London and people of all Nationalities loved him . The only people concerned about political correctness are white University educated types who probably do very little to help others anyway. The multi cultural population of London passed judgement on Boris and it was all favourable . Members of ethnic minorities are more than capable of standing up for themselves , the concept of political correctness is irrelevant to them. " How does he become ‘the greatest PM ever’? And who currently holds that accolade . Btw, I am sure I have seen you before | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit Are you trolling? Or do you genuinely not care what he has called certain people? Do you not care what he seems to think of people? Do you not care that attacks can happen due to such careless and insulting language? You asked for opinion, you can't complain when you get it
I was asking a genuine question as it felt like you were just trolling."You've aimed the trolling comment at the wrong person. | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness." Such hatred can fuel killing others and worse. We have limited free speech that's reasonable and context determines the intelligent approach. | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness. No it isn’t Yes it is. It's saying there's certain words or phrases that cannot be said. That is a restriction on free speech. It's that simple
What Trump and Boris are doing is saying bollocks to that! "I agree. Forcing racists not to say racist stuff doesn't solve the problem. But it helps us to identify people who think it's a positive thing to spout bigotry. Like you. Which is useful because then non-racists (everyone else) can ignore everything else you ever say. Also, free speech works both ways, it's not only there to protect arseholes. If Trump and Johnson are free to spew their out of touch homophobia, racism, islamaphobic bollocks. We are free to call them out on it. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks" im offended now | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks" Ah "Snowflake". The term used by the alt right when they're offended about being called out on their bigotry. The irony. | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man? I have never judged people by the words that they use or what they say they will do. What matters is what you actually achieve in life. Johnson looks destined to become one of the greatest pms ever. Political correctness is irrelevant, it is achievements and results that count. Boris has my vote . He did a great job as mayor of London and people of all Nationalities loved him . The only people concerned about political correctness are white University educated types who probably do very little to help others anyway. The multi cultural population of London passed judgement on Boris and it was all favourable . Members of ethnic minorities are more than capable of standing up for themselves , the concept of political correctness is irrelevant to them. " Well he has lied to his queen. That is treason. He has lied to the people of this country. He made promises to NI then sold them down the river whichs he has no honour either. He has also used public funds to fund a US model and covers it up with another lie that is am insult to intelligence. But I suppose if stooping as low a human being can stoop is an admirable trait for then he must be the greatest PM ever. If he represents the character of the modern Briton then it says a lot about what we as a people have become. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocksim offended now "I'm offended that you're offended. I am offended by everything and that was something. | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man?" It should and a couple of years ago it definitely would but now it's becoming the norm for the UK's Prime Minister and let's face it the choice of other parties to vote for instead is so diarrhea like it isn't putting voters off. | |||
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"Far too many snowflakes in the UK getting their knickers in a twist every time someone is a bit non PC. Fuckin man up !!!" What's wrong white man in his 50's, what jokes can't you say anymore? Are these the same kind of jokes that Boris Johnson has said in the past? | |||
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"Nobody has the right to shut anyone down on the words they say, the words they use. THAT is Fascism. Things have changed. We have Trump, Boris and Brexit now. The people have spoken. The snowflakes lost. We can and will say what we want." So far. You appear to be the person most snowflakey. No one is that upset here, except you. Here's a question for you, why do you associate trump, Johnson and brexit with homophobia, racism and bigotry? And why is bigotry a good thing? Also. You don't appear to understand what the word "fascism" means. "Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe." I assume you're referring to the line "forcible suppression of opposition". Which you could also argue that discrimination based on sexual orientation, skin colour, nationality etc falls under. | |||
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"Nobody has the right to shut anyone down on the words they say, the words they use. THAT is Fascism. Things have changed. We have Trump, Boris and Brexit now. The people have spoken. The snowflakes lost. We can and will say what we want." Give me 5 examples of what we can now say ? | |||
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"Nobody has the right to shut anyone down on the words they say, the words they use. THAT is Fascism. Things have changed. We have Trump, Boris and Brexit now. The people have spoken. The snowflakes lost. We can and will say what we want." So try a different label.....what about Macarthyism? 1950s America forcing liberal people out of work by blacklisting them, putting them in jail, terrorising their friends and families. Apparently that was not fascism because they were doing it in the name of the nation and fighting against communists in their midst. I wonder if you would have been in favour of that crusade? | |||
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"Nobody has the right to shut anyone down on the words they say, the words they use. THAT is Fascism. Things have changed. We have Trump, Boris and Brexit now. The people have spoken. The snowflakes lost. We can and will say what we want." So you were ok with the preachings of Abu Hamza? | |||
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"It's just basic free speech vs political correctness. No it isn’t Yes it is. It's saying there's certain words or phrases that cannot be said. That is a restriction on free speech. It's that simple
What Trump and Boris are doing is saying bollocks to that! "Why is it OK to call me a Paki? | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man? I have never judged people by the words that they use or what they say they will do. What matters is what you actually achieve in life. Johnson looks destined to become one of the greatest pms ever. Political correctness is irrelevant, it is achievements and results that count. Boris has my vote . He did a great job as mayor of London and people of all Nationalities loved him . The only people concerned about political correctness are white University educated types who probably do very little to help others anyway. The multi cultural population of London passed judgement on Boris and it was all favourable . Members of ethnic minorities are more than capable of standing up for themselves , the concept of political correctness is irrelevant to them. " Why is okay to call me a Paki? Explain it to me. Why should I have to accept that and what can I do to "stand up for myself"? | |||
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"Far too many snowflakes in the UK getting their knickers in a twist every time someone is a bit non PC. Fuckin man up !!!" You tell me why it's okay to call me a Paki then? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocksim offended now "Is it okay to call me a Paki I'll add some smileys to make it "funny" | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks" Why is it okay to call me a Paki? | |||
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"It's easy to infer sexism, racism and homophobia from Johnson's words. Plenty of examples are on record. Does any of that put you off voting for such a man?" I'm sure it doesn't. You've seen the excuses already. Others choose to ignore it. It is not usually directly racist. The language is oblique enough to allow for obfuscation, but the intent is clear, otherwise why say it at all? | |||
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"I'm sure that everyone I have asked this question to will fail give me a direct answer. Every reason from not having to explain anything to me, to completely avoiding the question. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong buy every single one of you or for you to say that it is unequivocally not okay. I won't hold my breath." It's disgusting that there are people on this thread who've 'okayed' racism (and any other sort of prejudice) by claiming it falls under the guise of free speech. And who then add insult to injury by pathetically calling 'snowflake' if anyone objects to this. 'Snowflake' is a ridiculous cop out thrown about when people won't, or perhaps more pointedly, *can't* explain exactly *why* they think it's acceptable to describe particular groups of people in words and terms known to be derogatory, hateful, and inflammatory. As you say, I would be very surprised if any of the Boris supporters on this thread have the courage of their convictions and answer your question relating to the use of 'paki', which any decent person would never do. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki?" You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder " He didn't. You read that wrong. There are a couple of people on this thread championing racism and hate speech. They seem so enthusiastic about it, this guy was just asking for some more information. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder " Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder "No chip on this white shoulder . | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder ."What has your skin colour got to do with it? Can you answer his question? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder .
What has your skin colour got to do with it? Can you answer his question? "Come on Man For You. Don't be a snowflake.
Say what you mean. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder .
What has your skin colour got to do with it? Can you answer his question?
Come on Man For You. Don't be a snowflake.
Say what you mean."Exactly, he is to scared, the poor little snowflake | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder ."Prediction already being fulfilled. Easy question to answer as you must have thought about the basic premise very hard to have such a strong view. Why is it okay to call me a Paki? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder ."Thats just a nasty thing to say - you are condoning racism by saying that and should be embarrassed by your foolishness. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder .
Thats just a nasty thing to say - you are condoning racism by saying that and should be embarrassed by your foolishness."It looks like he is to ashamed to return to the thread, | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. I find being called a "boy racer" is derogatory. Most other people don't find that derogatory. It is all SUBJECTIVE and therefore impossible to police, unless you make arbitrary judgements. True equality therefore is either ALL words are okay or NO words are okay. It's that simple. Anything less is not equality "Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. I find being called a "boy racer" is derogatory. Most other people don't find that derogatory. It is all SUBJECTIVE and therefore impossible to police, unless you make arbitrary judgements. True equality therefore is either ALL words are okay or NO words are okay. It's that simple. Anything less is not equality "This is really funny. Do you mean this, or just having a laugh? Also why would you want to use the "N word". Personally, I'm comfortable with people saying what they really mean. Makes it easier to identify morons. | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? " Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really. | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really." Lol You should post here more often. | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really." Are you suggesting that being called a ‘boy racer’ is the same as a racial insult? Are you ok with anyone calling a black man a N*****? | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really." I don't think words should be banned. But I think there's a serious problem when authority figures use such insulting and inflammatory language. It whips up hatred and distrust. And it can lead to real world violence. When a pm has said such things, racists, sexists etc can feel vindicated and act on their ugly feelings. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. I find being called a "boy racer" is derogatory. Most other people don't find that derogatory. It is all SUBJECTIVE and therefore impossible to police, unless you make arbitrary judgements. True equality therefore is either ALL words are okay or NO words are okay. It's that simple. Anything less is not equality "Why is it okay to call me a Paki? | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal." Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. " I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying..." He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate ." Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry." . Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech. If you go back to the days we had no free speech, they weren't long ago, people were locked up for saying stuff against They're government, king, preachers, religion, teachers, scientists, parents, wars. I'll take free speech even with it's problems over speech with the hope that people use it wisely but with the reluctance that sadly they won't. | |||
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"Clearly the plight of the ‘Boy Racer’ has been missed with people looking at centuries of slavery, murder, r*pe, abuse against Black people. Trying to suggest ‘Boy Racer’ is on the same page as calling someone a ‘N*****’ shows either a complete lack of education or deeply entrenched rascism "It's hard to argue with that. But give it 5 minutes. I'm sure somebody will try. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry.. Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech. If you go back to the days we had no free speech, they weren't long ago, people were locked up for saying stuff against They're government, king, preachers, religion, teachers, scientists, parents, wars. I'll take free speech even with it's problems over speech with the hope that people use it wisely but with the reluctance that sadly they won't. " Your post is especially nonsensical. Even for you. The reason that women, non-white people, LGBT people, people of other religions etc etc have free speech is because people have fought against those who oppressed them, and won. People like you who celebrate the return of bigotry are champions for those who wish to silence whichever minority has upset you on any given day. This: "Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech." Is complete bollocks. Free speech applies to anything. IE. Calling out bigotry and those who support it. The question is, why do you like people who say racist things? In reference to Johnson saying racist, homophobic and sexist things. You said.. " No it turns me on to him!." Would you not have preferred him to use his right to free speech to say something positive? Like I've said. Personally I'm comfortable with you and the other loons saying whatever you like. Just makes it quicker to write you off as someone with nothing interesting to say on any subject. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki?" Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. | |||
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"Clearly the plight of the ‘Boy Racer’ has been missed with people looking at centuries of slavery, murder, r*pe, abuse against Black people. Trying to suggest ‘Boy Racer’ is on the same page as calling someone a ‘N*****’ shows either a complete lack of education or deeply entrenched rascism "Or both. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry.. Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech. If you go back to the days we had no free speech, they weren't long ago, people were locked up for saying stuff against They're government, king, preachers, religion, teachers, scientists, parents, wars. I'll take free speech even with it's problems over speech with the hope that people use it wisely but with the reluctance that sadly they won't. " Why is it alright to call me a Paki? | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry.. Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech. If you go back to the days we had no free speech, they weren't long ago, people were locked up for saying stuff against They're government, king, preachers, religion, teachers, scientists, parents, wars. I'll take free speech even with it's problems over speech with the hope that people use it wisely but with the reluctance that sadly they won't. Your post is especially nonsensical. Even for you. The reason that women, non-white people, LGBT people, people of other religions etc etc have free speech is because people have fought against those who oppressed them, and won. People like you who celebrate the return of bigotry are champions for those who wish to silence whichever minority has upset you on any given day. This: "Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech." Is complete bollocks. Free speech applies to anything. IE. Calling out bigotry and those who support it. The question is, why do you like people who say racist things? In reference to Johnson saying racist, homophobic and sexist things. You said.. No it turns me on to him!. Would you not have preferred him to use his right to free speech to say something positive? Like I've said. Personally I'm comfortable with you and the other loons saying whatever you like. Just makes it quicker to write you off as someone with nothing interesting to say on any subject. " . No I think we've reached one of your tipping points now where the left is now intent on reversing all free speech, hate crimes and hate speech laws need to go hey hey ho ho. Push back is inevitable on that fight and regrettably for now I have to back my least favourite foe. | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. Don't be so disingenuous and ridiculous. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference in intent when that word is used, regardless of whose mouth it comes from? There is a wealth of information out there about its etymology and history but anyone who's not lived in a remote cave their entire life knows it was recognised many decades ago as a highly offensive and contemptuous racial slur when applied to black people by white folk. Does it not occur to you that its latter adoption by some black people might just be an understandable attempt to somewhat neutralise its impact? As in, to take away some of the power it holds and the association it has with the very worst kind of repression. To kind of *claim* that word for themselves on their own terms, as opposed to the hatred associated with it when used by a white person. Hence you find it is often spelled, in that context, with an 'a' or 'az' (plural) at the end to distinguish from the more 'traditional' spelling and all the negative connotations attached to the older version. Is that really so hard to understand? That when (some) black people choose to describe other black people by using the N word it's more about solidarity and absolutely nothing to do with racism. But when a white person uses it about a black person there is *no* other explanation except an intent to be racially abusive. I do wonder if he honestly believes the things he's saying... He seems to, but who knows. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate . Pressed "post" before I finished. I don't understand why some people think that free speech = race hate. There are so many other things that they could use "free speech" to say. Literally anything in the world. Something positive maybe? It's not limited to bigotry.. Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech. If you go back to the days we had no free speech, they weren't long ago, people were locked up for saying stuff against They're government, king, preachers, religion, teachers, scientists, parents, wars. I'll take free speech even with it's problems over speech with the hope that people use it wisely but with the reluctance that sadly they won't. Your post is especially nonsensical. Even for you. The reason that women, non-white people, LGBT people, people of other religions etc etc have free speech is because people have fought against those who oppressed them, and won. People like you who celebrate the return of bigotry are champions for those who wish to silence whichever minority has upset you on any given day. This: "Saying things people like isn't free speech, it's just speech. Saying things people don't like is called free speech." Is complete bollocks. Free speech applies to anything. IE. Calling out bigotry and those who support it. The question is, why do you like people who say racist things? In reference to Johnson saying racist, homophobic and sexist things. You said.. No it turns me on to him!. Would you not have preferred him to use his right to free speech to say something positive? Like I've said. Personally I'm comfortable with you and the other loons saying whatever you like. Just makes it quicker to write you off as someone with nothing interesting to say on any subject. . No I think we've reached one of your tipping points now where the left is now intent on reversing all free speech, hate crimes and hate speech laws need to go hey hey ho ho. Push back is inevitable on that fight and regrettably for now I have to back my least favourite foe." What? Actually. Don't elaborate. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them." Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?" . Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?" So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me." Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly." | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever." He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think  | |||
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"Regarding "racial slurs" Let's use the N-word for example. Plenty of people use that regularly. But it's only "ok" if they are black. That is discrimination, that is racism. Everyone can use it if we're equal. I find being called a "boy racer" is derogatory. Most other people don't find that derogatory. It is all SUBJECTIVE and therefore impossible to police, unless you make arbitrary judgements. True equality therefore is either ALL words are okay or NO words are okay. It's that simple. Anything less is not equality "You are definitely in the running for a Darwin Award | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?" It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . " Who are these white middle class people ? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . " I've heard "paki" used. Sadly it's not been consigned to the dustbins of the past. And the rest of what you wrote is bullshit. I stand in solidarity with the victims of racism. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . I've heard "paki" used. Sadly it's not been consigned to the dustbins of the past. And the rest of what you wrote is bullshit. I stand in solidarity with the victims of racism." You can't. That is making political capital out of me. You are also just virtue signalling. It is probably also being a snowflake and liberal. If you ever see something like this happening it's best just to look away and pretend not to notice it. Please leave them alone and isolated. They much prefer that. Alternatively, thank you for not being a dick | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly."" . Who are you to tell us uglies what our pain feels like!. Whats your next plan, to tell me to "man up". | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . a. People so use this sort of language in this day and age. They just don't direct it towards you, funnily enough. The point of the thread is that politicians have made it more acceptable to do so b. How do you suggest that they stand up for themselves alone on a bus when a group of youths is bullying them due purely to their ethnic origin or sexuality? Any experience of that to share? I have no idea what you are referring to in the last point. Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Are you at least able to say that it is not okay?" How many times have you been called the term to which you refer . ? When was the last occasion and what action was taken. ? Did you report it to the authorities ? The only politicisns I know who claim that it is acceptable to use offensive language are those who support the Labour party. Maybe address your concerns to them . | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? It is a completely irrelevant question because a. No one uses that type of language these days . and b. Members of ethnic miniority groups are usually quite capable of standing up for themselves . They would hardly want people who are white and middle class trying to make political capital out of them . a. People so use this sort of language in this day and age. They just don't direct it towards you, funnily enough. The point of the thread is that politicians have made it more acceptable to do so b. How do you suggest that they stand up for themselves alone on a bus when a group of youths is bullying them due purely to their ethnic origin or sexuality? Any experience of that to share? I have no idea what you are referring to in the last point. Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Are you at least able to say that it is not okay? How many times have you been called the term to which you refer . ? When was the last occasion and what action was taken. ? Did you report it to the authorities ? The only politicisns I know who claim that it is acceptable to use offensive language are those who support the Labour party. Maybe address your concerns to them . " Why is it okay to call me a Paki? It's an incredibly straightforward question. How about, is it okay to call me a Paki? Can you bring yourself to answer that one? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly.". Who are you to tell us uglies what our pain feels like!. Whats your next plan, to tell me to "man up". "I think you need to sober up, | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?"If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?"What country have you decided that I'm from? You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject. It's a very straightforward question. Why is it okay to call me a Paki? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?"I haven't assumed you are from anywhere. And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question. Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing "Not really. Its just all the people (like you?) who idolise Trump, Bojo, Jeremy Clarkson, and any number of those men who are trying so hard to be masculine leaders of men - makes me wonder if there’s something wanting in their lives? Daddy issues maybe? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think "My point has not been responded to by the person antagonising everyone, which rather backs up my point. To be abundantly clear, I do not condone or support racism so I will ask the hatemonger a very simple question. Why does he feel it is an insult to be associated with the good people of Pakistan? Seems extremely racist to me. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly.". Who are you to tell us uglies what our pain feels like!. Whats your next plan, to tell me to "man up".
I think you need to sober up, ". Sir, tomorrow I'll be sober but you will remain stupid forever | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think
My point has not been responded to by the person antagonising everyone, which rather backs up my point.
To be abundantly clear, I do not condone or support racism so I will ask the hatemonger a very simple question. Why does he feel it is an insult to be associated with the good people of Pakistan? Seems extremely racist to me."Nope....you know where you are going with this and most everyone else does too. I agree that this question has become unproductive but instead of rising above it you have chosen the path of populism once again  | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly.". Who are you to tell us uglies what our pain feels like!. Whats your next plan, to tell me to "man up".
I think you need to sober up, .
Sir, tomorrow I'll be sober but you will remain stupid forever "To paraphrase the wit of Winston Churchill.... | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki?. Nobodys ever called me ugly either, there's no positive case for anybody using the U word on me. Do you understand that certain racial slurs have incredibly negative connatations? And they can and do incite real world hatred and violence. That's a very different case to simply calling somebody "ugly.". Who are you to tell us uglies what our pain feels like!. Whats your next plan, to tell me to "man up".
I think you need to sober up, .
Sir, tomorrow I'll be sober but you will remain stupid forever "Churchill was a pisshead too! | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
No chip on this white shoulder .
Prediction already being fulfilled.
Easy question to answer as you must have thought about the basic premise very hard to have such a strong view.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?"Where did I call you that word ???. Answer me?. Exactly. You call urself that word. Over and over and over and over and over. No idea what you are. You know what you are and it is you that label urself that word. So you say that’s what you are, so m8, that’s exactly what you fuckin are. You said it ( YOU..... not me).... so get over it you fuckin **** | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing "Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners . | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think
My point has not been responded to by the person antagonising everyone, which rather backs up my point.
To be abundantly clear, I do not condone or support racism so I will ask the hatemonger a very simple question. Why does he feel it is an insult to be associated with the good people of Pakistan? Seems extremely racist to me.
Nope....you know where you are going with this and most everyone else does too. I agree that this question has become unproductive but instead of rising above it you have chosen the path of populism once again "Its not populism, I'm the only one who said it | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners . "Are all of you rascists then? None of you are welcome here | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners . "Yeah things are changing. But in this case it's not good. The world does not need more race hate. And you guys are cheering it on. Pathetic. | |||
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"No it turns me on to him!. I hate woke shit Are you trolling? Or do you genuinely not care what he has called certain people? Do you not care what he seems to think of people? Do you not care that attacks can happen due to such careless and insulting language? You asked for opinion, you can't complain when you get it "Yes, they can complain. No one has a right to express an opinion and not get comeback from it. Free speech and all, you know? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?"You haven't assumed? One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK. My family doesn't come from Pakistan. Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult? Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"? What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better? The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away. That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating. What point are you making? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners .
Yeah things are changing.
But in this case it's not good. The world does not need more race hate.
And you guys are cheering it on. Pathetic."I cannot see one single piece of evidence to back up your claim . All that has happened is that a balance has been redressed in terms of freedom of speech and expression of opinions . That can only be for good unless you want to live in a totalitarian society . | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?
You haven't assumed?
One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK.
My family doesn't come from Pakistan.
Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult?
Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"?
What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better?
The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away.
That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating.
What point are you making?"What point are you making? You are the only person on this thread using the derogatory term “paki”. What does that say about you?. People in Ireland call me a “Brit”. I don’t give a fuck. But you constantly refer to yourself as a “paki”, when no one else is . Do you get off constantly saying that word ?, wouldn’t surprise me if you were a blue collar Caucasian who likes typing the word “paki”, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think
My point has not been responded to by the person antagonising everyone, which rather backs up my point.
To be abundantly clear, I do not condone or support racism so I will ask the hatemonger a very simple question. Why does he feel it is an insult to be associated with the good people of Pakistan? Seems extremely racist to me."I'm "antagonising everyone" by asking why racist language is acceptable? Curious that I seem to have to be "responding" to lots of people who haven't quite managed to give me a straight answer. I haven't accused anyone of being racist or calling me anything. I have asked, quote straightforwardly, why it is okay to direct that sort of language towards anyone. "Paki" I'd a racist term intended to cause offence. Do you think it's shouted at people as a descriptive term? What point are you trying to make? That people are not really trying to offend and upset when they use racist, sexist or homophobic insults? | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? Can I ask a question? Yes, good. Who on here has called you a Paki? You need to report them. Nobody has. Have I said that anyone has? I would like to be given the positive case for anyone calling me a Paki under any circumstances. Nobody seems to be able to even though it is extremely important that people should. Positive in fact. Why is that do you think? So, why is it okay to call me a Paki? So no one has called you one. That answers your question for you. Stop trying to incite hate where it doesn't exist, its not big and its not clever. He can ask the question, especially given he was told to take the chip off his shoulder by some plonker who professed not to have a chip on his white shoulder! I’m sure you’re not a complete idiot and can understand the inference anyone would draw from that so maybe your point is rather more loaded than you might think
My point has not been responded to by the person antagonising everyone, which rather backs up my point.
To be abundantly clear, I do not condone or support racism so I will ask the hatemonger a very simple question. Why does he feel it is an insult to be associated with the good people of Pakistan? Seems extremely racist to me.
I'm "antagonising everyone" by asking why racist language is acceptable?
Curious that I seem to have to be "responding" to lots of people who haven't quite managed to give me a straight answer.
I haven't accused anyone of being racist or calling me anything.
I have asked, quote straightforwardly, why it is okay to direct that sort of language towards anyone.
"Paki" I'd a racist term intended to cause offence. Do you think it's shouted at people as a descriptive term?
What point are you trying to make? That people are not really trying to offend and upset when they use racist, sexist or homophobic insults?"You are the only person on this thread constantly using racist language. You are the racist | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners .
Are all of you rascists then? None of you are welcome here "From an analysis of the thread I cannot see any evidence of any posts on it that would indicate that any poster holds racist views. The only serious concern I would have is that one poster choose to repeat a derogatory and offensive term at least 15 times on the thread. That is of course his choice but it is not a comment you ever hear being used in day to day conversation. | |||
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"Too many people are easily offended and take offence to so many stupid things. Though i have to say that i DON'T agree with the bad language and hate.. most people take their race, sexuality, and gender too far like they're superior. Your all human therefore your all equal.. not one of you is better than the other,,, excluding Murderers, rapist and so on.. they're just dirt" I agree with you, apart from the "easily" offended part. Some people are, but they do actually tend to be the exception. Like the overt racists. Both are vocal though. Is there no point at which you can be offended though? | |||
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"Too many people are easily offended and take offence to so many stupid things. Though i have to say that i DON'T agree with the bad language and hate.. most people take their race, sexuality, and gender too far like they're superior. Your all human therefore your all equal.. not one of you is better than the other,,, excluding Murderers, rapist and so on.. they're just dirt I agree with you, apart from the "easily" offended part. Some people are, but they do actually tend to be the exception. Like the overt racists. Both are vocal though. Is there no point at which you can be offended though?" Fuck me.... a post without a derogatory term being used | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?
You haven't assumed?
One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK.
My family doesn't come from Pakistan.
Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult?
Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"?
What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better?
The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away.
That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating.
What point are you making?
What point are you making? You are the only person on this thread using the derogatory term “paki”. What does that say about you?. People in Ireland call me a “Brit”. I don’t give a fuck. But you constantly refer to yourself as a “paki”, when no one else is . Do you get off constantly saying that word ?, wouldn’t surprise me if you were a blue collar Caucasian who likes typing the word “paki”, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. "I explained the point that I was making. Apparently expressing racist, sexist or homophobic beliefs is acceptable. In principal. It's "saying it like it is" and not being a snowflake, liberal and politically correct. However, as soon as it's personalised, it seems to be difficult to justify. In fact you appear to be taking offence that has been used to insult me in the past by people expressing their " right to free speech". It's something that I experience sporadically in the country in which I was born and brought up in. The use of that language is to exclude and intimidate me and people like. Just as other words are used to intimidate other people for other reasons. Yet here is a thread where a number of people are claiming that this is okay. I'm asking why. Is that a full enough description of the point that I'm making? You equate the word "Brit" as equivalent to "Paki"? Really? In that case, why are you worried about me using the word "over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over"? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing Hi. Your opinions are those of the silent majority. You have made the decision to back winners .
Are all of you rascists then? None of you are welcome here From an analysis of the thread I cannot see any evidence of any posts on it that would indicate that any poster holds racist views.
The only serious concern I would have is that one poster choose to repeat a derogatory and offensive term at least 15 times on the thread. That is of course his choice but it is not a comment you ever hear being used in day to day conversation. "Pat, your analysis is never that enlightening I'm sorry to say. You have said that the "silent minority" is supportive of speaking plainly. The word is not used in "day to day conversation" Pat. It is an insult used deliberately. All sorts of insulting words are being used more frequently because our "leaders" are creating an environment which makes it acceptable. Do you understand that? | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?
You haven't assumed?
One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK.
My family doesn't come from Pakistan.
Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult?
Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"?
What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better?
The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away.
That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating.
What point are you making?
What point are you making? You are the only person on this thread using the derogatory term “paki”. What does that say about you?. People in Ireland call me a “Brit”. I don’t give a fuck. But you constantly refer to yourself as a “paki”, when no one else is . Do you get off constantly saying that word ?, wouldn’t surprise me if you were a blue collar Caucasian who likes typing the word “paki”, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
I explained the point that I was making.
Apparently expressing racist, sexist or homophobic beliefs is acceptable. In principal. It's "saying it like it is" and not being a snowflake, liberal and politically correct.
However, as soon as it's personalised, it seems to be difficult to justify. In fact you appear to be taking offence that has been used to insult me in the past by people expressing their " right to free speech".
It's something that I experience sporadically in the country in which I was born and brought up in.
The use of that language is to exclude and intimidate me and people like. Just as other words are used to intimidate other people for other reasons.
Yet here is a thread where a number of people are claiming that this is okay.
I'm asking why.
Is that a full enough description of the point that I'm making?
You equate the word "Brit" as equivalent to "Paki"?
Really? In that case, why are you worried about me using the word "over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over"?"I really don’t give a fuck that you call yourself a paki if that’s what you are. Fill ur boots . | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?
You haven't assumed?
One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK.
My family doesn't come from Pakistan.
Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult?
Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"?
What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better?
The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away.
That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating.
What point are you making?
What point are you making? You are the only person on this thread using the derogatory term “paki”. What does that say about you?. People in Ireland call me a “Brit”. I don’t give a fuck. But you constantly refer to yourself as a “paki”, when no one else is . Do you get off constantly saying that word ?, wouldn’t surprise me if you were a blue collar Caucasian who likes typing the word “paki”, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
I explained the point that I was making.
Apparently expressing racist, sexist or homophobic beliefs is acceptable. In principal. It's "saying it like it is" and not being a snowflake, liberal and politically correct.
However, as soon as it's personalised, it seems to be difficult to justify. In fact you appear to be taking offence that has been used to insult me in the past by people expressing their " right to free speech".
It's something that I experience sporadically in the country in which I was born and brought up in.
The use of that language is to exclude and intimidate me and people like. Just as other words are used to intimidate other people for other reasons.
Yet here is a thread where a number of people are claiming that this is okay.
I'm asking why.
Is that a full enough description of the point that I'm making?
You equate the word "Brit" as equivalent to "Paki"?
Really? In that case, why are you worried about me using the word "over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over"?
I really don’t give a fuck that you call yourself a paki if that’s what you are. Fill ur boots . "After all that you haven't actually understood or even read what I've written. I have not called myself a Paki. Nobody on this thread has. What nobody has been able to explain is why anybody should have the right to call me that. It seems difficult for you to even condemn the language. Yet you seem to be angry with me | |||
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"Dismiss me all you want My opinion can't be a minority / loony one - else Boris and Trump wouldn't be elected. Things are changing
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
If one of your fellow countrymen called you a Paki would it still be racism?
What country have you decided that I'm from?
You still haven't answered the question. You have found a way to change the subject.
It's a very straightforward question.
Why is it okay to call me a Paki?
I haven't assumed you are from anywhere.
And I am asking you a straight forward question which you cannot answer but which would in turn answer your own question.
Let us remove yourself from the question. Would it be acceptable if a person calling another person a Paki was themselves from Pakistan?
You haven't assumed?
One of my fellow countrymen would be someone born and brought up in the UK.
My family doesn't come from Pakistan.
Would somebody be using Paki as a term of affection towards me or as an insult?
Why would someone from Pakistan call me a "Paki"?
What would justify anyone using that word to describe me? Does that "free speech" make the world better?
The abstract idea seems to be easy to breezily defend, but as soon as it is personalised, and it is an insult intended to be deeply personal, it seems difficult to explain away.
That's what I am demonstrating. It's what you are demonstrating.
What point are you making?
What point are you making? You are the only person on this thread using the derogatory term “paki”. What does that say about you?. People in Ireland call me a “Brit”. I don’t give a fuck. But you constantly refer to yourself as a “paki”, when no one else is . Do you get off constantly saying that word ?, wouldn’t surprise me if you were a blue collar Caucasian who likes typing the word “paki”, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
I explained the point that I was making.
Apparently expressing racist, sexist or homophobic beliefs is acceptable. In principal. It's "saying it like it is" and not being a snowflake, liberal and politically correct.
However, as soon as it's personalised, it seems to be difficult to justify. In fact you appear to be taking offence that has been used to insult me in the past by people expressing their " right to free speech".
It's something that I experience sporadically in the country in which I was born and brought up in.
The use of that language is to exclude and intimidate me and people like. Just as other words are used to intimidate other people for other reasons.
Yet here is a thread where a number of people are claiming that this is okay.
I'm asking why.
Is that a full enough description of the point that I'm making?
You equate the word "Brit" as equivalent to "Paki"?
Really? In that case, why are you worried about me using the word "over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over"?
I really don’t give a fuck that you call yourself a paki if that’s what you are. Fill ur boots .
After all that you haven't actually understood or even read what I've written.
I have not called myself a Paki.
Nobody on this thread has.
What nobody has been able to explain is why anybody should have the right to call me that.
It seems difficult for you to even condemn the language.
Yet you seem to be angry with me "I’ll leave you to your racist comments. That you can’t see how offensive your constant referring to “pakis” is quite pathetic | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really." This pretty much sums up how stupid some of this thread got. Gender equality no. Race hate yes. Some people need to take a long hard look at what's gone so badly wrong in their lives that they think politicians using bigoted language is a positive thing and yet people fighting for gender equality are offensive. No one cares who is offended. Being offended is meaningless and is not the point. Bigotry has wider ranging implications than someone being offended. And I am yet to see any good argument in favour of it, no matter how hard some people here have tried. Hopefully we do not need to point out the wider ranging implications of bigotry? IE, it's not the same as being called a "boy racer". | |||
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"Why are you offended by being called a ‘boy racer’? What else offends you ? Because a boy racer is typically a young, inexperienced, foolish muppet who races around in a cheap hatchback causing trouble. I'm 35 and drive supercars responsibly. Of course, just because I'm offended by the term doesn't mean it should be banned, or called a hate crime or anything like that. I understand people are free to use whatever language they like and the same should apply to everyone. What else offends me? Feminism? Not a lot else really. This pretty much sums up how stupid some of this thread got. Gender equality no. Race hate yes. Some people need to take a long hard look at what's gone so badly wrong in their lives that they think politicians using bigoted language is a positive thing and yet people fighting for gender equality are offensive. No one cares who is offended. Being offended is meaningless and is not the point. Bigotry has wider ranging implications than someone being offended. And I am yet to see any good argument in favour of it, no matter how hard some people here have tried. Hopefully we do not need to point out the wider ranging implications of bigotry? IE, it's not the same as being called a "boy racer"." Jesus....that was depressing....some people on here just vomit out the most terrible old crap without showing the slightest sense of remorse for their dumbass comments and they don’t even appear to have any engagement with the thread other than using it as an opportunity to spout personal attacks - having said that maybe the boy racers of this world should go back to playing with their scalextric set! | |||
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"The irony is lost on the above posters complaining about bigotry, when they themselves are being bigoted about people with different views such as ourselves. Who sets these "rules" of what words can and cannot be said? It's nothing but an attempt to oppress free speech in favour of leftie PC language. It hasn't worked." How many words are being suppressed? Can you give me 5 examples ? | |||
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"The irony is lost on the above posters complaining about bigotry, when they themselves are being bigoted about people with different views such as ourselves. Who sets these "rules" of what words can and cannot be said? It's nothing but an attempt to oppress free speech in favour of leftie PC language. It hasn't worked." Amazing. So we can't call out racism because that's unfair on those who wish to be freely bigoted. I have to remind you, that freedom of speech doesn't only apply to racists and homophobes. It applies to people who want to point out that all bigotry is abhorrent. Also I should point out that not all non-racists are "leftie PC". We're a wide range of individuals. I would go as far to say that the vast majority of people are non-racists. It's so normal that we don't even need to specify. Here is a question do you understand the difference between criticising someone for the colour of their skin Vs criticising someone for what they say and do? Here's a hint encase you're struggling. One is a legitimate argument and one is bigotry. And again. I support free speech. You're welcome by me (although maybe not allowed by forum rules) to say what you like. What you say is a reflection on you and your character. | |||
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"The irony is lost on the above posters complaining about bigotry, when they themselves are being bigoted about people with different views such as ourselves. Who sets these "rules" of what words can and cannot be said? It's nothing but an attempt to oppress free speech in favour of leftie PC language. It hasn't worked." The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Nobody else can manage. Perhaps you can explain under what circumstances that term can be legitimately used? | |||
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" Many intriguing ways to avoid answering a question and turning it into an attack on me. Also many intriguing ways to misread words ". You can hardly bitch and moan, They've learnt it from you. | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki." Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. | |||
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"To many pc/ snow flakes in this new world ....man up ...oh no sorry can't say that can I....what bollocks Why is it okay to call me a Paki? You just called yourself that word. Try removing that chip off your shoulder Try to answer his question and also try to remove that chip of your shoulder
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple." My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. ". Nobodys used any racist language on here, maybe it's time to chill with the vileness | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. .
Nobodys used any racist language on here, maybe it's time to chill with the vileness "Did I suggest that they had? No, I didn't. But I called out people 'on here' who have distinctly said that it's 'okay' to use 'any' word. People who've condoned racist language used 'out there' - by state heads no less - because it's free speech innit. Because it's not acceptable. It's what's going on in the big wide world that concerns me... the racism displayed by (some of) those in positions of power which has the effect of 'normalising' such attitudes amongst the more, shall we say, cerebrally challenged, or, to be more blunt, the *vile*. I'm not going to 'chill' on the use of vile, thanks all the same for that. I think it perfectly apt to describe racists and racism as vile whether you see it 'in here' or 'out there'. Jeez. | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. .
Nobodys used any racist language on here, maybe it's time to chill with the vileness
Did I suggest that they had? No, I didn't.
But I called out people 'on here' who have distinctly said that it's 'okay' to use 'any' word. People who've condoned racist language used 'out there' - by state heads no less - because it's free speech innit.
Because it's not acceptable.
It's what's going on in the big wide world that concerns me... the racism displayed by (some of) those in positions of power which has the effect of 'normalising' such attitudes amongst the more, shall we say, cerebrally challenged, or, to be more blunt, the *vile*.
I'm not going to 'chill' on the use of vile, thanks all the same for that. I think it perfectly apt to describe racists and racism as vile whether you see it 'in here' or 'out there'.
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"The whole cringy act of "calling out" just indicates such arrogance that the person "calling out" is morally superior and has judged the person being called. It's this arrogance that there is one way of thinking, one way of speaking that is fuelling all the Trump / Farage sentiment around the world. Stop thinking you're universally right, and that other people cannot use words or have attitudes different to yours. It's divisive and keeps backfiring. The more PC agenda is pushed, the harder the West moves to the right. Just look at the trends even outside UK/US as mentioned. Look at right wing nationalism popping up everywhere around Europe. It's all a big push back against political correctness and cultural marxism. Perhaps some compromise could be found where we all have genuine free speech. Hopefully before we end up fully back to Fascism." Utter bollocks. All non racists, non bigots are morally superior to racists, bigots, homophobes etc. That you think this is arrogant behaviour to call them out says a lot about you and your mental state. And defeats your argument that anyone can say anything. Effectively yours saying race hate is fine. But speaking out against it isn't. Non racism isn't "one way of thinking". It's simply the absence of racism. This leave lots of space for other ideas and ways of thinking. You should give it a try sometime, you might like it. If you're determined to justify bigotry and hate speech. You're going to have to try a lot harder. Because you're not making much sense. | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. .
Nobodys used any racist language on here, maybe it's time to chill with the vileness
Did I suggest that they had? No, I didn't.
But I called out people 'on here' who have distinctly said that it's 'okay' to use 'any' word. People who've condoned racist language used 'out there' - by state heads no less - because it's free speech innit.
Because it's not acceptable.
It's what's going on in the big wide world that concerns me... the racism displayed by (some of) those in positions of power which has the effect of 'normalising' such attitudes amongst the more, shall we say, cerebrally challenged, or, to be more blunt, the *vile*.
I'm not going to 'chill' on the use of vile, thanks all the same for that. I think it perfectly apt to describe racists and racism as vile whether you see it 'in here' or 'out there'.
Jeez. .
Well yes it's apt to describe racists and racism as vile except you just admitted you haven't seen any racist words used.
Anyway my mistake I hadn't realised Tuesday was rant day.
"You've chosen to completely (deliberately?) miss the point. My rant, as you described it wasn't about racist words used on this thread but about people on this thread condoning the use of absolutely *any* word, regardless of their loaded and highly offensive nature. And how that approach, as demonstrated by our erstwhile leaders, has the effect of normalising unacceptable attitudes like racism.
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"All non racists, non bigots are morally superior to racists, bigots, homophobes etc. " In your opinion. Some people agree with that, some don't. The world is full of different opinions. | |||
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"The irony is lost on you as to why you feel unable to freely explain why it is alright for someone to call me a Paki. Any word is okay for anyone to use. It's that simple. My god. I don't think I've ever seen a thread as vile as this one in the almost 4 years I've been on Fab. You know full well that all words aren't equal. You know full well that certain words and phrases are loaded with extremely negative connotations and that their usage can cause not just 'simply' offence, but genuine distress, fear and intimidation in those targeted by it. There is no *need* to use such words. There is never any need or justification for them. *Why* would any decent person speak to anyone in such foul terms unless they deliberately wanted to express their hatred towards them? It's *not* free speech. It's racism dressed up in that excuse. I'd like to think that the people defending this kind of utterly unnecessary and provocative language are 'just' ignorant. But I honestly don't believe that anyone in this day and age can be quite so thick. Or perhaps some of those on this thread condoning it are nothing more than goady fuckers enjoying the scrap? If only that were true - it'd certainly be the lesser of two evils. Sadly however, it seems more and more racists are crawling out from under their stones lately. I believe the political climate of recent years, and the whole bloody Brexit debacle, has emboldened many deeply unpleasant types to show their true colours publicly whereas they wouldn't have felt quite so confident in doing so 10 years ago. And that brings me right back to the original point of this thread. When you have (so called) statesmen, world leaders and people wielding huge power regularly displaying racist attitudes it's small wonder that others that way inclined laughingly (except it's far from funny) believe their prejudice to be acceptable. Those state figures have a responsibility to set an example, never mind conduct themselves in a professional manner and they are failing to do that spectacularly. It's not, and never should be acceptable to use racist language in any society which calls itself civilised. You use it, you think it's 'okay', then you are, by definition, a racist. I guess at least we can see you for what you are. .
Nobodys used any racist language on here, maybe it's time to chill with the vileness
Did I suggest that they had? No, I didn't.
But I called out people 'on here' who have distinctly said that it's 'okay' to use 'any' word. People who've condoned racist language used 'out there' - by state heads no less - because it's free speech innit.
Because it's not acceptable.
It's what's going on in the big wide world that concerns me... the racism displayed by (some of) those in positions of power which has the effect of 'normalising' such attitudes amongst the more, shall we say, cerebrally challenged, or, to be more blunt, the *vile*.
I'm not going to 'chill' on the use of vile, thanks all the same for that. I think it perfectly apt to describe racists and racism as vile whether you see it 'in here' or 'out there'.
Jeez. .
Well yes it's apt to describe racists and racism as vile except you just admitted you haven't seen any racist words used.
Anyway my mistake I hadn't realised Tuesday was rant day.
You've chosen to completely (deliberately?) miss the point.
My rant, as you described it wasn't about racist words used on this thread but about people on this thread condoning the use of absolutely *any* word, regardless of their loaded and highly offensive nature. And how that approach, as demonstrated by our erstwhile leaders, has the effect of normalising unacceptable attitudes like racism.
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"The whole cringy act of "calling out" just indicates such arrogance that the person "calling out" is morally superior and has judged the person being called. It's this arrogance that there is one way of thinking, one way of speaking that is fuelling all the Trump / Farage sentiment around the world. Stop thinking you're universally right, and that other people cannot use words or have attitudes different to yours. It's divisive and keeps backfiring. The more PC agenda is pushed, the harder the West moves to the right. Just look at the trends even outside UK/US as mentioned. Look at right wing nationalism popping up everywhere around Europe. It's all a big push back against political correctness and cultural marxism. Perhaps some compromise could be found where we all have genuine free speech. Hopefully before we end up fully back to Fascism." I am sorry but that is the most idiotic thing I have read on this outlandish thread yet. Free speech is not about people being allowed to say whatever they want because they think its amusing and “sorts” the men from the boys. We see this public school bs all the time from the kind of twits that think jeremy clarkson is cool because he can drive a fast car and insult foreigners for not being British enough - Bojo being a prime example. Trying to justify racism because its free speech is just wanky and a bit pathetic really. | |||
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"The whole cringy act of "calling out" just indicates such arrogance that the person "calling out" is morally superior and has judged the person being called. It's this arrogance that there is one way of thinking, one way of speaking that is fuelling all the Trump / Farage sentiment around the world. Stop thinking you're universally right, and that other people cannot use words or have attitudes different to yours. It's divisive and keeps backfiring. The more PC agenda is pushed, the harder the West moves to the right. Just look at the trends even outside UK/US as mentioned. Look at right wing nationalism popping up everywhere around Europe. It's all a big push back against political correctness and cultural marxism. Perhaps some compromise could be found where we all have genuine free speech. Hopefully before we end up fully back to Fascism." In the scheme of things I think it's vitally important to call out racism (and other 'isms') when you see it. If that makes me arrogant so be it but I'm not going to meekly shut up when I see something that's immoral in the truest sense of the word. There is never any justification for verbally or physically attacking someone or placing them at a disadvantage simply because of the colour of their skin. That's a simple issue of decency and humanity, and not something that can be breezily dismissed as having a 'different attitude'. No doubt slave owners saw themselves as having a 'different attitude' to those who condemned the practice and we have been left with plenty of historical evidence demonstrating their fury towards the abolishinists they too saw as arrogant. Still doesn't mean they were in any way right. Some things, like basic human decency transcend opinion. | |||
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