FabSwingers.com > Forums > Politics > The Andrew Neil interviews BBC1

The Andrew Neil interviews BBC1

Jump to: Newest in thread

By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Best keep cutting services and us poor then. 5th richest nation.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country "

No he won't he is just extremely generous with other peoples money. Besides he is just a Pinocchio leader its the unions and the anti-Semitites pulling the strings Jeremy isn't to blame comrade.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

No he won't he is just extremely generous with other peoples money. Besides he is just a Pinocchio leader its the unions and the anti-Semitites pulling the strings Jeremy isn't to blame comrade. "

Touché

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

Must say, He most certainly did not seem like a confident strong leader to run this country in that interview though

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He’s a twat

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

I've lived through the Wilson, Callaghan and Blair/Brown Labour governments. They never, ever balance the books. Income tax always goes up until they run out of money. With repealed union laws, freedom of movement extension and a spend, spend spend attitude this country will be brought to it's knees and be taken back to the "sick man of europe days". Not for me I'm afraid.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's already on its knees.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

"It's already on its knees."

You don't remember the "winter of discontent" then. I certainly do, even gravediggers went on strike.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Countries done run like household's. Balancing the books an neo con economic myth.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's already on its knees.

You don't remember the "winter of discontent" then. I certainly do, even gravediggers went on strike."

I don't, however looking not at the person leading the party but the last 9 year's I'd never vote Tory.

We as a country should be ashamed at how our most vulnerable in society have been treated.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool."

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a Corbyn fan.

Buuuuuut we need the Tories OUT !!!!!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool."
So many people in previous elections have been faced with leaders that don,t seem to connect with the masses that they have,nt voted in favour of them which is quite sad really.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *kyblue1878Couple over a year ago

Southport

Corbyn would fail the most basic level vetting working within the security of this country. Why would anyone trust him to run our country, especially knowing his terrorist connections. Can't believe Labour have allowed him to front them when this failure of a government have been ripe for taking. Cannot be trusted.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *AABMan over a year ago

Not far

It’s hopeless isn’t it. Choice between a lying bastard who will sell us down the river; an old man who runs an allotment, has a pocket of Werther’s Originals, and who would hammer those earning more than £80k; or a woman who comes over as a little niave, but would probably do a really good job but won’t be given the chance.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *voryforebonyMan over a year ago

boogie town

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country "

Straight back to 1973... He seems to think everything was better back then but as we all know it wasn't. He also seems to know where the Labour money tree is planted.. Shake it and spend then shake it again, oh dear. I'll refrain from saying what I really think of him but let's just say he will not be getting my vote.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country "

It's the acknowledged way to stimulate growth - investment, keeping your citizens healthy, ensuring that people towards the bottom of the income scale have money, which is disproportionatrly spent in the UK, keeping the UK an attractive destination for other investments etc

It's certainly wiser to borrow when interest rates are lower than the opposite.

Otherwise the UK could just be run into the ground, as other countries compete heavily against us. Citizens would suffer further erosion of their well-being and making the challenge of restoring a decent state infrastructure that serves its people increasingly difficult. It depends where your standards are - a race to the bottom or rebuilding our society into a more decent one.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s hopeless isn’t it. Choice between a lying bastard who will sell us down the river; an old man who runs an allotment, has a pocket of Werther’s Originals, and who would hammer those earning more than £80k; or a woman who comes over as a little niave, but would probably do a really good job but won’t be given the chance."

Didn't the Lib Dems go back on an election campaign promise? A rather important promise.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh I was assuming Nicola Sturgeon ??

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *AABMan over a year ago

Not far

Didn't the Lib Dems go back on an election campaign promise? A rather important promise. "

They did and Joe Swinson apologised on the Question Time leaders debate. I think the Tories are guilty of far worse crimes.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *r TriomanMan over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

No he won't he is just extremely generous with other peoples money. Besides he is just a Pinocchio leader its the unions and the anti-Semitites pulling the strings Jeremy isn't to blame comrade. "

... got no strings??? There's definately strings attached!!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some wonderfully revisionist comments here which try to blame those who had to fix Labour's damage rather than the people who caused it pre 2010. Labour has always in the past and always will in the future bankrupt and destroy this country. And Corbyn and McDonnell would do it within a year. Has anyone REALLY looked at the level of borrowing and taxation he will hit us with? Go read their manifesto ...

Every Labour Government has left the country in a shitpile of debt. From Wilson and Callaghan in the '60s and '70s to Tony B Liar who inherited a balanced economy by 1998 and then had Brown borrow like there was no tomorrow, throw in the wonder of PFI, sell half our gold reserves for jumble sale prices and then throw away our EU rebate to the point where we had no resources to combat the 2008 crash. And so we had a £145 Bn A YEAR deficit by 2010. £1 4 5 B I L L I O N

And people think we could have either a) carried on borrowing or b) got rid of it in a year or two. And because the Tories did neither they are (of course) to blame for 'Austerity'. Labour even complained the Tories hadn't reduced the Labour deficit quick enough while bemoaning 'austerity'! We were bankrupt in all but name and we had to show the money markets we had a plan. Its as simple as that.

I lived through the 3 day weeks, Winters of discontent and watched the Union bully boys destroy our industries enabled by weak management. Corbyn will bring that all back as he lets the Unions who fund Labour loose on industry unfettered by democratic votes. The RMT will shut the railways in 5 minutes like they are trying to do now. Back to gate meetings where you put your hand up or got beaten up. And yes I was there and yes I was ...

Sadly the young have no idea and think Corbyn is a lovely old duffer when he is a threat to our way of life.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country "

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they. "

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

Under Corbyn those under £80k will also be hit when he removes the marriage allowance and he will hit pensioners savings and dividends like Brown destroyed pensions when Labour stole £5bn a year from our pension funds in 1998. This raid on pensions reduced the value of retirement funds by over £100bn (Martin Bamford, pensions expert at award-winning independent financial adviser, Informed Choice).

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some wonderfully revisionist comments here which try to blame those who had to fix Labour's damage rather than the people who caused it pre 2010. Labour has always in the past and always will in the future bankrupt and destroy this country. And Corbyn and McDonnell would do it within a year. Has anyone REALLY looked at the level of borrowing and taxation he will hit us with? Go read their manifesto ...

Sadly the young have no idea and think Corbyn is a lovely old duffer when he is a threat to our way of life."

Do you genuinely believe this?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too"

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly the young have no idea and think Corbyn is a lovely old duffer when he is a threat to our way of life.

Do you genuinely believe this? "

No I just write shit to annoy people. Yes I not only believe it I know it to be true having lived through every Labour Government except for Attlee's. But by all means do please argue I am wrong.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *emma HoldenTV/TS over a year ago

Ramsey

I can't vote living where I do. But there is no way on this earth I would vote for Corbyn even if I could. Boris is Boris but at least he has some passion in him to do stuff. I don't agree with all that the Tories do but better them than labour. Corbyn is a non event & it's noticeable how his groupie corbynistas from 2017 have slipped away into the ether & aren't seen anymore.....too embarrassed.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?"

Have they lowered the national debt??

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ? "
The removal of the tax relief on certain aspects of funds meant the growth of pension funds was reduced which in turn means that anyone on a defined contribution scheme is worse off when they retire .

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ? The removal of the tax relief on certain aspects of funds meant the growth of pension funds was reduced which in turn means that anyone on a defined contribution scheme is worse off when they retire . "

So, where did the extra £5 billion go?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Have they lowered the national debt??"

No because while you run even a reducing annual deficit you add to debt. But the rate of increase has been reduced from that £145 Bn a year in 2010 to some £20 Bn or basically a balanced budget this year. So while the Tories were working down Labour's deficit inheritance they added to debt.

And adding debt of itself does not bankrupt a nation its when you cannot repay it that is the issue. What the Tories did was to give the markets the confidence to lend at low yields (ie interest rates) so the COST of debt reduced as well.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

So, where did the extra £5 billion go? "

Into Brown's treasury that he then spent as well as borrowing more...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Have they lowered the national debt??

So, they haven’t lowered the National debt? I am sure they promised they would? It doesn’t look like austerity has worked ? What will they do next

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

So, where did the extra £5 billion go?

Into Brown's treasury that he then spent as well as borrowing more..."

What did he spend it on? I was told it had been ‘stolen’?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

He had him on the ropes early with anti-semitism but Jeza pulled one back with his filibusteresque policy speeches. He didn't fair well despite trying to man up his tone from his cool Corbyn answering. He seemed ignorant to questions, though it's typical looking at his conferences; taking three questions at a time to overlay answers away from what is being asked. He looked like he wanted to say "I'm a party leader get me out of here!" by the end of it

Sturgeon got a grilling that few interviewers have managed but at least she owned what was put to her. The failing NHS was a big one but she didn't shy away from her time as Health Minister or questions on how long it would take for Scotland to joint the EU.

Wonder how Johnson and Swinson will do. Not good.... not good at all.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Have they lowered the national debt??

So, they haven’t lowered the National debt? I am sure they promised they would? It doesn’t look like austerity has worked ? What will they do next

No they didn't promise to lower DEBT ever. They promised to lower the DEFICIT. And have.

But I am guessing you either don't know the difference or you do and your Labour leanings are making you mislead people. And we haven't had 'austerity' here. Go to the poor areas in 3rd world countries and see what 'austerity' is ...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" What did he spend it on? I was told it had been ‘stolen’? "

Oh dearie me. So if a thief steals your wallet but then spends your money on a meal he hasn't stolen it?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly the young have no idea and think Corbyn is a lovely old duffer when he is a threat to our way of life.

Do you genuinely believe this?

No I just write shit to annoy people. Yes I not only believe it I know it to be true having lived through every Labour Government except for Attlee's. But by all means do please argue I am wrong."

Never mind - the young wont be listening to you anyway - I think you'll find they are interested in the present day - well done for making it this far without blowing a blood vessel though!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Have they lowered the national debt??

So, they haven’t lowered the National debt? I am sure they promised they would? It doesn’t look like austerity has worked ? What will they do next

No they didn't promise to lower DEBT ever. They promised to lower the DEFICIT. And have.

I see, andd how much of the deficit will they reduce in the next 5 years? Have you lived in a poor area of a 3rd world country? Seems a bit strange that you are making that comparison? Is that how we measure ‘austerity’?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *illupMan over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

"It's already on its knees.

You don't remember the "winter of discontent" then. I certainly do, even gravediggers went on strike.

I don't, however looking not at the person leading the party but the last 9 year's I'd never vote Tory.

We as a country should be ashamed at how our most vulnerable in society have been treated. "

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"It's already on its knees.

You don't remember the "winter of discontent" then. I certainly do, even gravediggers went on strike.

I don't, however looking not at the person leading the party but the last 9 year's I'd never vote Tory.

We as a country should be ashamed at how our most vulnerable in society have been treated.

This is what making the country great again will mean. When we don't have the conservative vermin who have eaten away at the basic decency of the country. And with them those with attitudes that have enabled the erosion of well-being that everyone deserves.

Those with their weasel words trying to pretend that one party only is fiscally competent, when the conservatives are morally bankrupt. I suppose others did likewise in highly questionable states too.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool."

And you're an even bigger fool if you really believe that any government can find £82 billion in extra spending by just taking 'a little bit more from a few rich'

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool.

And you're an even bigger fool if you really believe that any government can find £82 billion in extra spending by just taking 'a little bit more from a few rich'

Where are the conservatives getting their money from?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

It's certainly wiser to borrow when interest rates are lower than the opposite.

That's all very well and good and it could work (although the last time it was tried by Ted Heath it didn't work and ultimately led to Denis Healey having to go cap in hand a few years later to the IMF). But if you really want to make a better society then you've got to start by telling the truth; and the truth is you cannot raise an extra £82 billion for spending by just asking a few [rich] people to pay 'a little bit more'.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they. "

Well it's really very simple. In order to raise £82 billion for extra spending you're either going to have to hammer those earning £80,000, widen the net to include a lot of people earning less than £80,000 or fail to raise the £82 billion.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ? "

They changed the way pension funds were taxed and it cost £5 billion in the first year. With compounding interest and inflation the figure of £100 billion is probably an underestimate. Where did the money go? That's a really good question, maybe you can tell us. One thing for sure is that it hasn't gone to the pensioners where it should have gone.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool.

And you're an even bigger fool if you really believe that any government can find £82 billion in extra spending by just taking 'a little bit more from a few rich'

Where are the conservatives getting their money from? "

That's a good question but then the Conservative spending plans in their manifesto only amount to an extra £2.5 billion, so not such a big amount to find. That being said I'd love to know where the Conservatives are going to get an extra £2.5 billion from when they're promising no increases for anyone in VAT, NI or income tax. It's all fantasy politics in this election but Labour's fantasy is 40 times bigger than the Conservatives.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ?

I don’t know where it went either but it certainly wasn’t ‘stolen ‘ .

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?"

The tories of the last 9 years have borrowed more than all labour government’s combined.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 27/11/19 08:41:15]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ?

I don’t know where it went either but it certainly wasn’t ‘stolen ‘ . "

It wasn't me that used the word 'stolen'. I'm just explaining to you why some people say that Brown did.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9 "

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?"
add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sadly the young have no idea and think Corbyn is a lovely old duffer when he is a threat to our way of life."

I was there too. Yes I really was. A lot of sense being talked here.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess "

So, is the concussion that both parties borrow lots when in government. Tories more. But Labour are predicted to borrow more yet again (if they get in power, which they won't)

But only one of those two parties is suggesting doing something positive with the money. Maybe some of it is pie-in-the-sky. But it doesn't seem like the Tories have achieved much with their mega levels of borrowing. I know that they've had to deal with the huge drain on public finances caused by brexit. But austerity started before that. So they borrowed more, penalised the poor at the same time, and didn't achieve much.

I am not a Labour supporter. As I feel like I need to keep pointing out (I get abusive PMs calling me all kinds of Labour related insults). But there should be a balanced view of their policies.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 27/11/19 09:21:21]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Totally agree.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess

So, is the concussion that both parties borrow lots when in government. Tories more. But Labour are predicted to borrow more yet again (if they get in power, which they won't)

I am not a Labour supporter. As I feel like I need to keep pointing out (I get abusive PMs calling me all kinds of Labour related insults). But there should be a balanced view of their policies."
i am a labour supporter just not a fan of Corbyn funny how the torries say one thing and it’s lies but labour it’s pie in sky tho you say the huge drain on public finances is brexit but we haven’t left yet it was the crash in 2008 and in labours defense torries pin blame on them for that but they just happened to be in office when it happened if labour get in number ten which like you I don’t think they will do you think the debt will be smaller or larger after 5yrs ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess

So, is the concussion that both parties borrow lots when in government. Tories more. But Labour are predicted to borrow more yet again (if they get in power, which they won't)

I am not a Labour supporter. As I feel like I need to keep pointing out (I get abusive PMs calling me all kinds of Labour related insults). But there should be a balanced view of their policies.i am a labour supporter just not a fan of Corbyn funny how the torries say one thing and it’s lies but labour it’s pie in sky tho you say the huge drain on public finances is brexit but we haven’t left yet it was the crash in 2008 and in labours defense torries pin blame on them for that but they just happened to be in office when it happened if labour get in number ten which like you I don’t think they will do you think the debt will be smaller or larger after 5yrs ?"

Right. But the Tories are in power. Say a lot of things. And don't do them.

Labour are saying they will do things. And aren't liars until they don't do those things. Hence "pie in the sky". Simply because I am sceptical about them achieving half of these things.

And I'm talking about the 600-800 mil per week cost to the country that Brexit is currently causing. Who knows how bad it will be when we actually leave?

The national debt will more depend on Brexit than which party is in power. Outside of Brexit, I don't see much difference in debt between the two parties. But I see one that wants to make some positive change (far too little if you ask me), and one that just wants to keep things as they are (as evidenced by the last 9 years of government).

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess "

It's not really giving away a freebie for the Government to give back to people what you never properly told them they were taking (one could also say stole from) in the first place. However you're right to ask how this justifiable but still extra money is going to be found.

Both the Tories and Labour have a pretty poor record when it comes to raiding people's pensions.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"And if labour get in power they will borrow more in 5yrs than the tories have in the last 9

Is this fact confirmed or your fantasy?add to there freebies they have pledged in there manifesto the 58 billion give away to the wasp women I’d say it’s a pretty good guess

So, is the concussion that both parties borrow lots when in government. Tories more. But Labour are predicted to borrow more yet again (if they get in power, which they won't)

I am not a Labour supporter. As I feel like I need to keep pointing out (I get abusive PMs calling me all kinds of Labour related insults). But there should be a balanced view of their policies."

I sort off agree with you but, just because the Tories have fucked up, mostly due to an ideologically driven BREXIT policy, doesn't mean that we shouldn't point out the false hoods and fallacies in Labour's offering. We need better choices.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

The tories of the last 9 years have borrowed more than all labour government’s combined. "

Some might call this sort of statement 'lies' or 'Momentum sleight of fact'. But its a perfect example of the revisionist comments to which i referred. here are the FACTS:

from 1997, public sector debt as % of GDP was:

1997/98 – 40.4% of GDP

2010/11 – 60.0% of GDP

May 2019 – 82.9% of GDP

So Labour added some 20% and the Tories added a further 23%

from 1997, the total real public sector debt was:

1997/98 – £352 Bn

2010/11 – £902 Bn

May 2019 - £1,800 Bn

So Labour added £550 Bn and the Tories added (coping with the £145 Bn PER YEAR Labour deficit they inherited) some £900 Bn

So no the Tories have NOT added 'more than all labour government’s combined' at all. Especially as in ONE YEAR Labour added that $145 Bn that went on the Tories books (2010). and to illustrate that point this is how much Labour created annual deficits:

1997-98 (Tory) – £ 7.8 Bn PA

2007-08 (Labour) – £ 40.3 Bn PA

2010-11 (Labour) – £ 145.1 Bn PA

And Corbyn wants to borrow somewhere north of £190 Bn JUST to nationalise everything....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

andrew neils interviews...

the one last night..... Sturgeon faired not badly but was iffy in a few places....

corbyns one last night was just about one up from prince andrew's.....

shocking bad and woefully under prepared especially not apologising and foreign policy and his costing figures.....

johnson is going to be quaking.... we know how bad it interview wise went with neil during the tory leadership contest

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

The tories of the last 9 years have borrowed more than all labour government’s combined.

Some might call this sort of statement 'lies' or 'Momentum sleight of fact'. But its a perfect example of the revisionist comments to which i referred. here are the FACTS:

from 1997, public sector debt as % of GDP was:

1997/98 – 40.4% of GDP

2010/11 – 60.0% of GDP

May 2019 – 82.9% of GDP

So Labour added some 20% and the Tories added a further 23%

from 1997, the total real public sector debt was:

1997/98 – £352 Bn

2010/11 – £902 Bn

May 2019 - £1,800 Bn

So Labour added £550 Bn and the Tories added (coping with the £145 Bn PER YEAR Labour deficit they inherited) some £900 Bn

1997-98 (Tory) – £ 7.8 Bn PA

2007-08 (Labour) – £ 40.3 Bn PA

2010-11 (Labour) – £ 145.1 Bn PA

And Corbyn wants to borrow somewhere north of £190 Bn JUST to nationalise everything...."

So the austerity budget of most of the last decade has produced what? I am mystified as it seems to me that all you have in the bag is what a waste buying back industries into national ownership will be whereas I actually find it quite difficult to understand what the tories have been spending money on for the last nine years? Could you explain please

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *hechairman18Man over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

They ‘stole’ £5 billion ? Wow, where did that money go ?

I don’t know where it went either but it certainly wasn’t ‘stolen ‘ .

It wasn't me that used the word 'stolen'. I'm just explaining to you why some people say that Brown did.

Also anyone buying a house, was entitled to offset the interest charges on the mortgage against their tax.

GORDON BROWN ABOLISHED THAT.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So the austerity budget of most of the last decade has produced what? I am mystified as it seems to me that all you have in the bag is what a waste buying back industries into national ownership will be whereas I actually find it quite difficult to understand what the tories have been spending money on for the last nine years? Could you explain please "

Well I would argue the 'austerity' term that the Left have put into general use. I call it managing our economy within our means. Like every sensible family does every week. The Tories have, by managing the economy well, reduced the largest deficit since WWII to a balanced budget which on its own is a pretty massive achievement.

But while doing that they also created good GDP growth, created the best employment figures since the '70s, kept interest rates low, managed inflation and now wages are rising at twice the rate of inflation. Compare that to the '70s Corbyn wants us all to relive?

It was simple but hard choice in 2010 for the then Coalition: Do nothing or do something. And they made some very hard choices like scrapping Harriers and carriers but putting funding into replacements we are now seeing. And despite the RMT bluster massively invested in our railways and our roads.

Its easy to criticise when we are now in calmer waters but you really need to understand the shit hole this country was in back in 2010 .... And Labour's answer to their 2010 shit hole in the last 9 years? Oh keep borrowing and all will be well.

Labour never ever learn but sadly voters have short memories and they keep voting them back in to do more damage.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This co.es from a someone who has always voted labour in the past,what Corbyn and labour are doing is buy votes by promosing so many ways to help everyone, its all pie in the sky politics, we simply havn't got the money for all this, labour will borrow ,borrow to do this, and let scotland have another vote and possibly split the uk up ,its a very slippery slope under Corbyn and labour , never voted anything apart from labour but this time i will vote for the party who aren't promising the world to get tour votes

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just had a message from someone saying I can't do maths on this:

" from 1997, public sector debt as % of GDP was:

1997/98 – 40.4% of GDP

2010/11 – 60.0% of GDP

May 2019 – 82.9% of GDP

So Labour added some 20% and the Tories added a further 23% "

OK lets put it this way:

Labour INCREASED national debt in GDP terms by 48.5% to 2010

The Tories INCREASED national debt in GDP terms by 38.2% to 2019

I love facts and mathematics ..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just had a message from someone saying I can't do maths on this:

from 1997, public sector debt as % of GDP was:

1997/98 – 40.4% of GDP

2010/11 – 60.0% of GDP

May 2019 – 82.9% of GDP

So Labour added some 20% and the Tories added a further 23%

OK lets put it this way:

Labour INCREASED national debt in GDP terms by 48.5% to 2010

The Tories INCREASED national debt in GDP terms by 38.2% to 2019

I love facts and mathematics ..

If the British people wanted or cared about facts we would still be in the EU

It’s all emotions and rhetoric.Thats what wins elections..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ice__blokeMan over a year ago

redcar

I dont give a flying fig about all this saying the labour leader is a nazi .. what a load of fkn bull, yes he should have got on top of this, as any rascism is abhorrent and are fkn low lifes, A tory in the running called people in hartlepool should be " put down " as refering to the channel 4's benefit street aired last year or so.

All party's have racists in their ranks

and biggets in them and all should be rooted out as they do not have the publics interest at heart.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ice__blokeMan over a year ago

redcar

Off MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/conservative-candidate-urged-to-step-down-after-saying-benefits-street-cast-need-putting-down/ar-AAJNq3G

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Just because be doesn't like Israel, is that a reason not to vote for him?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they. "

£8 a month extra in tax when your net pay is £4500 a month . . . well, that's just brutal

No, austerity is for those poor scummy people who caused the banks to run out of money.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ice__blokeMan over a year ago

redcar

Clem H Fandango

Well said fella, hope the all bran has been working aha

I tried messaging you privately but i can't seem to be able to...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because be doesn't like Israel, is that a reason not to vote for him?"

Of course it doesn’t matter

Most couldn’t give a toss .

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ice__blokeMan over a year ago

redcar

People forget Labour saved the uk banks, they stopped the doomsday scenario, this would have been total melt down, do the state still own some of the Natwest ??

Greedy super rich CITY BANKERS - please insert another name for them, have always not given shit about the 99.9 % of the rest of us AND IT WAS LABOUR THAT CLEANED UP THE BANKERS MESS BECAUSE THEY HAD TO.

if it ( the city banking system ) had gone tits up it would have cost trillions.

once again what have the tories done for this country.. nothing apart from mindless cost cutting and bringing all public services to floor, spreadsheets and accounts fkn cold hearted robots.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Per annum Labour 4.04% Increase

Per annum Tory 5.46% Increase

I also love ‘facts & maths’!

Best get the Tory’s out quickly to slow debt increases down!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ice__blokeMan over a year ago

redcar

Tory party have borrowed more than and owe more in interest, than any previous government, our credit rating has been dropped

Government borrowing hits five-year high amid election spending into 2019 - 20

Borrowing in the first seven months of the 2019-20 financial year was £46.3bn, an increase of £4.3bn on the same period in 2018-19. In five of the seven months, borrowing was higher than in the previous year.

Up 10 %

Railway debt ! Theroll out of HS2 has cost billions and billions of wasted tax payers money and is on the scrap heap as its cost have rocketes from 40 billion to 80 - 110 billion the ten year view 150 billion.

The tories set up a false shipping company for brexit that had no ships for heavens sake, cost of 14 million down the pan.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He should do it if he has a pair.

He doesn’t want to come over as a cowardly scared sack of Conservative shit .

That’s not a good look..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Andrew Neil does make politicans on all sides squirm, doesn't he?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I'd love to see Johnson taken to task by him now. I have the feeling Johnson will refuse to do the interview, though.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Labour never ever learn but sadly voters have short memories and they keep voting them back in to do more damage."

No.... I am sorry but you haven’t shown me any real facts and figures that dont fit with your bias. If you think you can blame labour for everything thats wrong with this country then you need to reset your cognitive dissonance. I remember lots of the things that you do - strikes, food shortages, unions behaving badly, etc but unlike you I see nothing in labours manifesto that takes us back to those bad old days - society has moved on and not always for the better.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

I am not a fan of Neal ,but got to give him credit, when he gets any politician one-on-one he usually wins , he enters any interview with specific facts that make the interview very uncomfortable for those being interviewed ,as he did with Corbyn and has he did with Johnson in the lead upto the Tory leadership election .while many Tory supporters may have been pleased with the way Corbyn's interview went ,I suspect that Tory HQ were fearing their man facing the same level of scrutiny , hence I have no surprise that Johnson suddenly appears to be very busy and may not have time for a chat with Mr Neal ,the dilemma for Tory HQ is now , do we put Johnson up for a grilling he will almost certainly lose or do we give it a miss and be accused of being chicken ,

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes...."

That would be amazing.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think if he doesn’t he will lose any respect he has left !

What a crap choice we have !

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes....

That would be amazing.

the BBC may have to do that.. the irony being labour will probably argue the "equal coverage by public broadcasters" in elections clause

could you let say imagine the BBC lets say 1 to 2 days before the election saying "here is the andrew neil interview with boris johnson...."

neil explaining to the audience at home was has happened... and then letting rip on the conservatives for 30 minutes tearing them and their manifesto and government record to bits!!

wow........

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes....

That would be amazing.

the BBC may have to do that.. the irony being labour will probably argue the "equal coverage by public broadcasters" in elections clause

could you let say imagine the BBC lets say 1 to 2 days before the election saying "here is the andrew neil interview with boris johnson...."

neil explaining to the audience at home was has happened... and then letting rip on the conservatives for 30 minutes tearing them and their manifesto and government record to bits!!

wow........ "

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

in other news....

BBC have confirmed Swinson is doing hers next wednesday, and Farage is doing his next thurdsay....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"in other news....

BBC have confirmed Swinson is doing hers next wednesday, and Farage is doing his next thurdsay....

"
.

Ooooo should be something to look forward to, farage I mean not that ding bat swinson, I've got a tenner on her being unseated

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

now there are apparently senior tory sources saying its better he doesn't do it and take the potential PR hit than to do the actual interview and they are weighing up the options.....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"now there are apparently senior tory sources saying its better he doesn't do it and take the potential PR hit than to do the actual interview and they are weighing up the options....."
I bet there’s plenty senior labour members wishing Corbyn took the pr hit and didn’t do it

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

The 12th December is going to be one of the biggest nights in this countries recent history

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

barry gardner is getting taken to the cleaners now on bbc2 by neil on the nhs papers.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"barry gardner is getting taken to the cleaners now on bbc2 by neil on the nhs papers.

I think thats been kind to barry gardener.Its another car crash for labour.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The 12th December is going to be one of the biggest nights in this countries recent history

Yeah because the tories are going to win big! 366 seat landslide victory.

And no one did nothing about it

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Tories don't need to raise taxes or borrow money. They will run the country into the ground and then put it up for sale.

That's how state capture works.

Remember this when your biggest living expense is medical insurance. Remember this when there are rolling power cuts. Been there got the T-Shirt.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you realise that it almost physically impossible for any replacement government to lose as much money as Brexit has already cost this country?

You can't simultaneously complain that Corbyn will bankrupt the country and then also want to leave which will be a certainty rather than the possibility you're afraid of.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

I’m not complaining, Was only commenting on my thoughts of the interview.

No one ever said it’s going to be an easy journey.

“ it can however be a lot harder “

with the wrong person running the country.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes...."
. Most people are totally indifferent as to whether a politician is prepared to be interviewed on television. Only one result matters and is that is the one on election night. As things stand it looks like the Conservatives will win with a majority of circa 80 seats . In any event they are far more popular than any other party so a tv interview is unnecessary. Anyone who wants to undertake a deeper analysis of Conservative policy can join the party and obtain as much information as they wish. The popularity of the Conservative party is clearly illustrated by the fact that Margaret Thatcher won three elections in a row. Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night .

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

saying that... if i were the BBC, I would just do one and "empty chair" him if he refuses to do it... and just let neil let rip for 30 minutes.... . Most people are totally indifferent as to whether a politician is prepared to be interviewed on television. Only one result matters and is that is the one on election night. As things stand it looks like the Conservatives will win with a majority of circa 80 seats . In any event they are far more popular than any other party so a tv interview is unnecessary. Anyone who wants to undertake a deeper analysis of Conservative policy can join the party and obtain as much information as they wish. The popularity of the Conservative party is clearly illustrated by the fact that Margaret Thatcher won three elections in a row. Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

I'm fairness. That poster didn't make any points. It was just a load of nonsence that bears no relation to reality.

How is anyone support to discuss something like:

"Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

So this person thinks that the Tories getting reelected will somehow make things better than the previous 9 years of Tory rule.

It's too rediculous to reply to.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Per annum Labour 4.04% Increase

Per annum Tory 5.46% Increase

I also love ‘facts & maths’!

Best get the Tory’s out quickly to slow debt increases down!!

Sorry I didn't reply sooner but while your maths was correct the 'facts' weren't. What you demonstrated was an example of what was called 'Pure Mathematics' rather than what I was using which was 'Applied Mathematics'.

In a linear calculation you are correct but it falls apart when you apply facts:

If it was a graph Labour started off at 0 (well actually minus because they inherited a surplus) and the graph line climbed progerssively to create that £145 Bn inheritance.

Conversely the Coalition graph went from that mountain tyop and reduced it and the Tories are now on a balanced to slight deficit budget.

The point being that Labour INCREASED massively the rate of deficit creation while the Coalition / Tories have REDUCED the rate of deficit creation.

And if you want a maths exercise knock off the 3 years Labour applied John Major's spending plans and his surplus (ie leaving 10 years) and chuck in the £145 Bn they left while knocking it off the Tories (a nett £290 Bn reversal) and the 'Pure Maths' numbers are reversed by a very great margin.

Maths are great but need facts to make them accurate don't you agree?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris Johnson is currently refusing to confirm if he'll be interviewed for this stating that height be busy, well that is convenient.

that might be the smartest thing Johnson does this election by trying to avoid doing one....

Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

How long have you been on the politics forum? I have been here on and off for the last four years so I know who the characters are and Pat is one of the repeat offenders who trots out the same old regurgitated tosh that he always has. He may be your friend, who knows but I’ll tell you one thing, he favours the status quo and is a fan of nebulous and pointless statements which divert from the thread. I probably react too much to asinine stupidity for my own good but whoever said you had the right to try and put me in my place old chap?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" . Most people are totally indifferent as to whether a politician is prepared to be interviewed on television. "

nice to see "pat" back.... deluded as ever but always good of a giggle or a WTF moment! normally the latter....

but if the above was truely the case.... then why are we making such a big thing of how corbyn did in said interview, and why is johnson thinking of not doing it at all!!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

" . Most people are totally indifferent as to whether a politician is prepared to be interviewed on television.

nice to see "pat" back.... deluded as ever but always good of a giggle or a WTF moment! normally the latter....

but if the above was truely the case.... then why are we making such a big thing of how corbyn did in said interview, and why is johnson thinking of not doing it at all!!"
Because corbyn made such a fuck up of it thats why.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

I'm fairness. That poster didn't make any points. It was just a load of nonsence that bears no relation to reality.

How is anyone support to discuss something like:

"Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

So this person thinks that the Tories getting reelected will somehow make things better than the previous 9 years of Tory rule.

It's too rediculous to reply to."

Many points and opinions were made by the poster and you in fact picked one out.

The response to the poster was not an argument it was personally abusive so I made MY PoV known.

As to whether it is ridiculous or not is an opinion not fact to which I would suggest anyone thinking that Corbyn is the answer rather than the problem is equally 'ridiculous' in their thinking.

For the record I am an ex Tory voter, not sure if I will vote, do not like BoJo much but the alternative of Corbyn and McDonnell really worry me.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

[Removed by poster at 28/11/19 11:09:31]

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Because corbyn made such a fuck up of it thats why."

pat is trying to argue "Preperation" doesn't matter.... i think corbyn (and price andrew for example) show that Prep does matter!

thats why "pat" is talking rubbish!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

You immediately start the personal challenges, do not address my comments and then twist it to fabricate something it wasn't:

* How long I have been on here or whatever is irrelevant as I should be judged on what I write. So its just yet another of your diversion tactics. As it happens its about 10 years. OK?

* You then project he 'maybe' my friend. Like that negates my points? He isn't, don't know him and don't care but my points are just as valid if he was.

* I was not 'putting you in your place' Soft Lad I was asking questions of you. The clue being in the question marks used.

But thank you for proving my point wonderfully.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

I'm fairness. That poster didn't make any points. It was just a load of nonsence that bears no relation to reality.

How is anyone support to discuss something like:

"Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

So this person thinks that the Tories getting reelected will somehow make things better than the previous 9 years of Tory rule.

It's too rediculous to reply to.

Many points and opinions were made by the poster and you in fact picked one out.

The response to the poster was not an argument it was personally abusive so I made MY PoV known.

As to whether it is ridiculous or not is an opinion not fact to which I would suggest anyone thinking that Corbyn is the answer rather than the problem is equally 'ridiculous' in their thinking.

For the record I am an ex Tory voter, not sure if I will vote, do not like BoJo much but the alternative of Corbyn and McDonnell really worry me.

Everyone can see what your position is but you have to be on here for a while to understand the ways of the forum! I sail close to the wind at times but more out of exasperation at some people’s posts than anything else and actually I am quite pleased to see Pat back on here because he’s always got something bonkers to say

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

I'm fairness. That poster didn't make any points. It was just a load of nonsence that bears no relation to reality.

How is anyone support to discuss something like:

"Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

So this person thinks that the Tories getting reelected will somehow make things better than the previous 9 years of Tory rule.

It's too rediculous to reply to.

Many points and opinions were made by the poster and you in fact picked one out.

The response to the poster was not an argument it was personally abusive so I made MY PoV known.

As to whether it is ridiculous or not is an opinion not fact to which I would suggest anyone thinking that Corbyn is the answer rather than the problem is equally 'ridiculous' in their thinking.

For the record I am an ex Tory voter, not sure if I will vote, do not like BoJo much but the alternative of Corbyn and McDonnell really worry me.

Okay. Sure, I agree everyone should be treated with respect.

Some people post on here with deliberately outlandish stuff, simply to rile up people. The assumption is that's what they did.

I don't support Labour or the Tories.

But the amount of nonsense spouted about Corbyn is rediculous, and yet the right-wing minded people lap it up without any thought about why the establishment is on such a vendetta against him.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Fatuous as ever Pat! Yawn!

Maybe start playing the ball not the man?

Maybe argue against his points, make your own argument rather than make personal comments?

It is not 'fatuous' to have a different PoV. However it is 'silly and pointless' to make personal comments."

You immediately start the personal challenges, do not address my comments and then twist it to fabricate something it wasn't:

* How long I have been on here or whatever is irrelevant as I should be judged on what I write. So its just yet another of your diversion tactics. As it happens its about 10 years. OK?

* You then project he 'maybe' my friend. Like that negates my points? He isn't, don't know him and don't care but my points are just as valid if he was.

* I was not 'putting you in your place' Soft Lad I was asking questions of you. The clue being in the question marks used.

But thank you for proving my point wonderfully.

Its called a forum and if you are feeling like I am victimising you personally then I suggest you take a breath and get some perspective as I often post more in depth comments which are as relevant to me as yours are to you!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

When you consider how many words of, um, wisdom Johnson has written over the years, Neil has a rich menu to pick from.

Johnson's advisors probably realise there is no amount of preparation that could avoid him spending the whole interview having to apologise to virtually the entire population for insulting them at some point.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" But the amount of nonsense spouted about Corbyn is rediculous, and yet the right-wing minded people lap it up without any thought about why the establishment is on such a vendetta against him."

Given the BBC are the biggest pillar of 'The Establishment' and it is, by their own admission and that of recently departed BBC journalists, populated by Left Wing / Liberal Metropolitan people with a political agenda (Pro Left Anti Brexit) then I am not sure this is an 'Establishment' anti Labour vendetta. Read any day's front page on the BBC News Website and it is covered in Corbyn photos, Libdem stories and Tory negative sub stories. yesterday there were 8 Corbyn and 3 Swinson photos and none of BoJo, 4 Labour stories and no Tory stories. It was the same with Brexit - every day at least two anti Brexit 'stories'.

No I think it is the simple fact people are now seeing what an utter idiot (as proved by Neil) and liar (as proved by the 'NHS leaks') the man is. And more worryingly we can now see what a danger McDonnell will be if he gets his Marxist hands on the levers of the economy. His ambition is to destroy capitalism. And that doesn't worry you?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

" But the amount of nonsense spouted about Corbyn is rediculous, and yet the right-wing minded people lap it up without any thought about why the establishment is on such a vendetta against him.

the reason why i know the BBC are doing a good job is that people like you think it is too left wing..... and a shed load of people on the left think the BBC are too right wing and are in effect shielding johnson (for example but muting out all the laughs during his leaders question time section, by showing old rememberence day footage in their news sections rather than this years when he made a balls up of it, but the BBC news editorial decision to not call out his mistruths "lies" ect ect ect.....

the BBC has a fine line to tread... and if they are pissing off both sides at the same time... they must be somewhere close to the right line...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Its called a forum and if you are feeling like I am victimising you personally then I suggest you take a breath ... "

I am aware its a forum thank your for the sarcasm.

I am aware how they work as it appears I have been knocking round this and others for longer than your good self.

And I never said you were 'victimising' me or that I felt a 'victim'. That projection is just another trick used by people who have nothing to offer in discussion, have an overly strong confirmation bias and seek to 'position' those with whom they disagree as somehow lesser in stature. Good luck with that in my case.

But you do once again prove my points wonderfully. So keep them coming Old Son ..

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" But the amount of nonsense spouted about Corbyn is rediculous, and yet the right-wing minded people lap it up without any thought about why the establishment is on such a vendetta against him.

So your evidence against the smear campaign towards Corbyn is based on the number of photos of him on the BBC website on one single day?

There is a wealth of information out there on how negatively he is portrayed in the mainstream media. Here's one example of one piece that discusses it.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-politician-in-history/18/07/

As for the rest of what you posted. All it tells us is that you either don't know what Marxism is, don't know what the labour party policies are or you blindly believe the nonsence printed about him.

As for negative brexit stories. Let's be real. It's the truth. Brexit is a negative. Unless you're a multi millionaire.

Should they have printed an even number of negative and positive pieces about Brexit. Even if there aren't any positives and there are a million and one negatives?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" But the amount of nonsense spouted about Corbyn is rediculous, and yet the right-wing minded people lap it up without any thought about why the establishment is on such a vendetta against him.

You can always watch Sky or read the majority of the daily newspapers if its not to your taste and to be honest the bbc got themselves in trouble the other day for editing out the laughter at Boris and his “its important to tell the truth” moment from the leaders debate so its not all quite as one sided and hysterical as you appear to be saying.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" The popularity of the Conservative party is clearly illustrated by the fact that Margaret Thatcher won three elections in a row. Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night ."

You seem to stick up for the Conservative party which is fine but then to go on and say things can only get better when we've had a Tory PM since 2010, what does that say about the last 9 years of Tory rule that things can only get better?

It doesn’t make an ounce of logic

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So your evidence against the smear campaign towards Corbyn is based on the number of photos of him on the BBC website on one single day? "

Nice false projection. But wrong. I was making an illustration regarding the BBC's apparent bias and nothing more. Stop fishing and fabricating.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Stop fishing and fabricating."

I thought we wanted control of our waters for our fisheries and less red tape to improve our manufacturing yet you want to stop both

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"People forget Labour saved the uk banks, they stopped the doomsday scenario, this would have been total melt down, do the state still own some of the Natwest ??

if it ( the city banking system ) had gone tits up it would have cost trillions.

once again what have the tories done for this country.. nothing apart from mindless cost cutting and bringing all public services to floor, spreadsheets and accounts fkn cold hearted robots.

And if someone like Gordon Brown, Alister Darling or even Tony Blair was running Labour now they would romp home in this election. But they were New Labour and, as often seen by comments on this site by some Labour supporters, Corbyn's Labour Party is not New Labour and they hate New Labour and everything it stood for as much if not more than they hate the Tories.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So your evidence against the smear campaign towards Corbyn is based on the number of photos of him on the BBC website on one single day?

Nice false projection. But wrong. I was making an illustration regarding the BBC's apparent bias and nothing more. Stop fishing and fabricating."

Right. One illustration of why you personally believe the mainstream media is bias in favour of Corbyn. Which is contrary to all the available information and statistics.

You're entitled to believe anything you wish. But the facts show that people do believe at least some of the smears against Corbyn. And it's impacting the way people are choosing to vote.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Do you realise that it almost physically impossible for any replacement government to lose as much money as Brexit has already cost this country?

You can't simultaneously complain that Corbyn will bankrupt the country and then also want to leave which will be a certainty rather than the possibility you're afraid of."

You're probably right but, if you want to get Tory Remain voters on board then you've got to stop talking about taxing the rich and accusing them of wanting to sell the NHS. Labour chose the policies to push and arguments to make in their campaign and they chose the ones that appeal most to those that were always going to vote Labour and none that might appeal to wavering Tory Remainers.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

apparently the tories have decided to offer up johnson for an interview on the BBC....

the show just happens to be the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning!

what should "W1A" do?

because if they say yes... if i was the other parties I would hold a joint news conference and say they will not have anything else to do with the BBC and refuse to answer another question from a BBC reporter....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think he’s making himself look an utter Cunt here !

He’s gonna end up losing Brexit if he didn’t start to frame !

Beginning to see why Farage didn’t completely Fold !

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"apparently the tories have decided to offer up johnson for an interview on the BBC....

the show just happens to be the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning!

what should "W1A" do?

Apparently, Johnson is being replaced by a melting ice sculpture on a C4 debate on climate change he's ducking as well.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Apparently, Johnson is being replaced by a melting ice sculpture on a C4 debate on climate change he's ducking as well.

good.... it a leaders debate, and i think its interesting that the two party leaders "furthest right" have decided not to show up... partly because in farage's case i think like trump he doesn't actually believe in climate change.. and johnson because they would actually have to defend their record, and that climate change doesn't matter as much to their core voting base....

I like the idea of the "climate debate".... but this will just end up with the 5 leaders who do appear generally agreeing with each other and just trying to one-up each other in promises...

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apparently, Johnson is being replaced by a melting ice sculpture on a C4 debate on climate change he's ducking as well.

I like the idea of the "climate debate".... but this will just end up with the 5 leaders who do appear generally agreeing with each other and just trying to one-up each other in promises..."
Not surprised Johnson is ducking it , he’s proving to be Bottless !

Would have expected Farage to Stand up to be counted tho !

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Because corbyn made such a fuck up of it thats why.

pat is trying to argue "Preperation" doesn't matter.... i think corbyn (and price andrew for example) show that Prep does matter!

thats why "pat" is talking rubbish!

"
Hi. I think that the proof will be on election night. That is the one and only result that matters. TV interview s are simply a form of cheap entertainment.

Most people can extract any information that they need by reading the parties manifestos.

My prediction is that the Conservatives will win by 80 seats. What is your prediction.

No doubt when the results are announced some posters on here will be arguing that some voters are too thick and uneducated to be allowed to vote .

Election night is reality night

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Would have expected Farage to Stand up to be counted tho !"

when has farage said anything that wasn't about brexit....

they are a one issue party... when greenpeace rate your policies in your manifesto on climate change an the enviroment as 2/40 you don't have much to defend/talk about....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"apparently the tories have decided to offer up johnson for an interview on the BBC....

the show just happens to be the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning!

what should "W1A" do?

That would be great, the less we see of them the better.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would have expected Farage to Stand up to be counted tho !

when has farage said anything that wasn't about brexit....

they are a one issue party... when greenpeace rate your policies in your manifesto on climate change an the enviroment as 2/40 you don't have much to defend/talk about...."
I thought he’d have the bottle to say what he thinks right or wrong !

I’m pro Brexit as you know , but also concerned about climate change !

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc."

Oddly Johnson's homophobic comments get mostly overlooked. That's especially strange when they were so severe at times.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Hammer those earning over 80k? Hardly being hammered are they.

Well the top 1% of taxpayers pay some 28% of all Income Tax revenues and the top 50% of earners make up 90% of Income Tax revenues so yeah I reckon they pay their way ...

Which Chancellor progressively reduced the size of pension pot one was allowed to build up and the amount one could place in the pension without punitive taxes?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

The tories are already doing such a fine job of that already, too

Oh really? Do please explain how so?

Have they lowered the national debt??

So, they haven’t lowered the National debt? I am sure they promised they would? It doesn’t look like austerity has worked ? What will they do next

No they didn't promise to lower DEBT ever. They promised to lower the DEFICIT. And have.

Youre not an economist are you?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"If you earn under £80,000 and vote conservative you are a fool.

And you're an even bigger fool if you really believe that any government can find £82 billion in extra spending by just taking 'a little bit more from a few rich'

Where are the conservatives getting their money from?

What about the uncosted promises? Noone will have to sell their home to pay for their care.....how much money has been allocated for that in the costings? Absolutely sweet FA

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Because corbyn made such a fuck up of it thats why.

pat is trying to argue "Preperation" doesn't matter.... i think corbyn (and price andrew for example) show that Prep does matter!

thats why "pat" is talking rubbish!

Hi. I think that the proof will be on election night. That is the one and only result that matters. TV interview s are simply a form of cheap entertainment.

Most people can extract any information that they need by reading the parties manifestos.

My prediction is that the Conservatives will win by 80 seats. What is your prediction.

No doubt when the results are announced some posters on here will be arguing that some voters are too thick and uneducated to be allowed to vote .

Election night is reality night "

So you believe that scrutinising what politicians say is a bad thing? I think all party leaders should be interviewed and their policies put under the spotlight. The alternative is for the daft and the dangerous to lap up any old crap that theyre given. Johnson's attempt to avoid any sort of scrutiny tells the whole story: he's a liar and shyster

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Probably the most bizzare thing about Johnson running scared from facing Neal ,is that Neal would , I strongly suspect be voting Conservative in December , so we got Johnson scared of his own

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

"Mr Corbin will bankrupt this country

Straight back to 1973... "

Wasnt that why Brexit happened .

When old people thought back to when Britain was Great ?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At least these leaders have faced the great Andrew McNeill, Boris is hiding, what a coward. He’s a paper tiger! A chicken, a Fraud!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc.

Oddly Johnson's homophobic comments get mostly overlooked. That's especially strange when they were so severe at times."

Yes, in a desperate attempt to stay relevant while on the political sidelines, he insulted just about everyone.

Neil's dossier must be huge.

Shame we won't be able to watch Johnson squirm having to apologise to all and sundry.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc.

Oddly Johnson's homophobic comments get mostly overlooked. That's especially strange when they were so severe at times.

Yes, in a desperate attempt to stay relevant while on the political sidelines, he insulted just about everyone.

Neil's dossier must be huge.

Shame we won't be able to watch Johnson squirm having to apologise to all and sundry."

Ironic since he refuses to answer the question "How many children do you have?"

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc.

Oddly Johnson's homophobic comments get mostly overlooked. That's especially strange when they were so severe at times.

Yes, in a desperate attempt to stay relevant while on the political sidelines, he insulted just about everyone.

Neil's dossier must be huge.

Shame we won't be able to watch Johnson squirm having to apologise to all and sundry."

I have this suspicion that he is trying to put it off until at least the postal vote closes.. The postal vote counts for a huge amount of the electorate... Also Boris can just about handle one question on a single topic but he is not clever/tutored enough to cope with supplementary questions from left field which is what happens in these rare 30 minutes probings.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes somehow I always thought Bodger would be a two pumps and a squirt man....

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

two things....

1) we got a glimpse of why Bojo is avoiding neil.... with what should have been a softball with nick ferrari on lbc today he was god awful.... that was car crash on what should be been friendly territory

2) the BBC have said he cannot do Marr unless he agrees to do neil..... and quite right to!

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Johnson simply has nothing to gain and everything to lose.

No-one emerges from these encounters looking good.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

I wish we had a leader of any political persuasion strong enough to tell the BBC, channel 4 etc to fuck off. They're not tv personalities, they're politicians, and future statesmen. So what if Corbyn came over badly, will it change the way he'll lead the country? No.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

That said, all the others did it on condition that all leaders had agreed to them.

The BBC assured them that was the case, that all had agreed.

Someone is lying therefore.

The BBC or Johnson.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc."
Probably completely irrelevant as it was written in 1995 . People must be completely desperate to find anything bad about Boris if they have to go back to an article written so long ago. In any event there is nothing wrong in placing value on the conventional family structure .

December 12 th is the day that the public will return their opinion of Boris.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc."
yeah i see someone has now dug up a clip of corbyns attack on israels right to exist and the bbc bias.If they want to dig up dirt expect the same.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

Blaming women for ignorant, obnoxious illegitimate brats etc. Probably completely irrelevant as it was written in 1995 . People must be completely desperate to find anything bad about Boris if they have to go back to an article written so long ago. In any event there is nothing wrong in placing value on the conventional family structure .

December 12 th is the day that the public will return their opinion of Boris.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

December 12 th is the day that the public will return their opinion of Boris.

So right about that, some people like eating shit, as long as its served on a silver platter of brexit.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

You know people still vote to keep the status quo, if they have a mortgage, and a job, they'll vote for the devil they know.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You know people still vote to keep the status quo, if they have a mortgage, and a job, they'll vote for the devil they know. "

The media likes to make a drama out of a crisis.

Now we have an ex journalist as PM, so in some weird way the media really have control over our government now.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

December 12 th is the day that the public will return their opinion of Boris.

I'll correct you there. December the 12 is the day that a majority of people will vote like drones, doing exactly what the establishment and mass media want them to do. Vote Tory, for more of the same shit."
I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I see someone has dug up Johnson's opinion of the children of "single mothers".

No wonder he will not show.

Truly awful stuff.

December 12 th is the day that the public will return their opinion of Boris.

I'll correct you there. December the 12 is the day that a majority of people will vote like drones, doing exactly what the establishment and mass media want them to do. Vote Tory, for more of the same shit. I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win. "

You call it marketing, I call it propaganda.

Either way it's not based on policy.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win. "

Interesting

Anyway Pat, just wondering how you square the round peg that you posted on this thread a couple of days ago that you must have missed if you would care to explain...

You posted

The popularity of the Conservative party is clearly illustrated by the fact that Margaret Thatcher won three elections in a row. Boris may even be a greater prime minister than she was. It looks like things can other get bettèr. Let's see what happens on election night .

Pat, you seem to stick up for the Conservative party which is fine but then to go on and say things can only get better when we've had a Tory PM since 2010, what does that say about the last 9 years of Tory rule that things can only get better?

It doesn’t make an ounce of logic, surely if things can only get better, then we need a change of government don't we?

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win.

Interesting

Anyway Pat, just wondering how you square the round peg that you posted on this thread a couple of days ago that you must have missed if you would care to explain...

You posted

It doesn’t make an ounce of logic, surely if things can only get better, then we need a change of government don't we?

I think in this election the general feeling seems to be that, regardless who wins, things are going to get worse and the only choice most feel they have is to vote for the least worst option.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win.

Interesting

Anyway Pat, just wondering how you square the round peg that you posted on this thread a couple of days ago that you must have missed if you would care to explain...

You posted

It doesn’t make an ounce of logic, surely if things can only get better, then we need a change of government don't we?

I think in this election the general feeling seems to be that, regardless who wins, things are going to get worse and the only choice most feel they have is to vote for the least worst option.

But by doing that and voting for the least worst option which in your words you believe people think it to be the torys.

Then surely we are just rewarding poor performance (the last 9 years have been abysmal), and the torys won't even bother to up there game.

If they can do this much of a shit job and still get elected then they will feel invincible and shit all over the public even more.

In every other aspect of life if someone is doing really rubbish at their job then you get someone else in.

Even if labour do balls it up we still have to make that change to show every MP and politician that their are consequences for poor performance and if you dont do a good enough job then we will swap you out as soon as possible and get someone new in.

Then maybe just maybe politicians might start trying to do a better job.

So i say regardless of what we may perceive as the "least worst option" if a goverment has had 10 years and performed poorly which the current bunch of gobshi....MPs have then lets get rid of them and not reward them with another half a decade.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *infonyCouple over a year ago

Halifax

That woman who sticks two fingers up to the result of the referendum? Give her a chance? What drugs are you on pmsl.

Reply privately (closed, thread got too big)

By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

I think we all now have sufficient information to decide what is best for the country on Dec 12 th . Each party has set out their stall , those best at marketing will win.

Interesting

Anyway Pat, just wondering how you square the round peg that you posted on this thread a couple of days ago that you must have missed if you would care to explain...

You posted

It doesn’t make an ounce of logic, surely if things can only get better, then we need a change of government don't we?

I think in this election the general feeling seems to be that, regardless who wins, things are going to get worse and the only choice most feel they have is to vote for the least worst option.

But by doing that and voting for the least worst option which in your words you believe people think it to be the torys.

Then surely we are just rewarding poor performance (the last 9 years have been abysmal), and the torys won't even bother to up there game.

If they can do this much of a shit job and still get elected then they will feel invincible and shit all over the public even more.

In every other aspect of life if someone is doing really rubbish at their job then you get someone else in.

Then maybe just maybe politicians might start trying to do a better job.

Totally agree with you, it is time for change. The Tory’s have fucked everyone over for long enough!