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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
Cardiff |
So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools!  |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
It appears as though the Tories have missed a trick , they could have pointed out in their manifesto that on the day we leave the EU , our NHS will get an extra £350million every week |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch"
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it. "
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. "
They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny"."
The bernard manning of the political world. I get it. |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny"."
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me. "
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools! "
Just think how much worse things would be if a Labour government were elected. Their policies would destroy the economy which in turn would mean mean less taxes collected to fund the vital services to which you refer .
I cannot see too many people being too concerned about cuts in overseas aid . Whilst it might be admirable to help other countries this should be on a voluntary basis .
Luckily the Conservative party are more popular than any other party and as such common sense will prevail.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to create a sound economy which in turn generates additional revenues via taxation to fund vital services. In addition we should remember that unemployment is at at all time low which is a great achievement in itself.
After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant. Ending uncertainty will greatly assist business . |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then."
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money "
So you’re a limited company and you pay yourself a dividend, understood.
So why don’t you want to pay your fair share? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money "
Your the man on Question Time 
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools! Just think how much worse things would be if a Labour government were elected. Their policies would destroy the economy which in turn would mean mean less taxes collected to fund the vital services to which you refer .
I cannot see too many people being too concerned about cuts in overseas aid . Whilst it might be admirable to help other countries this should be on a voluntary basis .
Luckily the Conservative party are more popular than any other party and as such common sense will prevail.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to create a sound economy which in turn generates additional revenues via taxation to fund vital services. In addition we should remember that unemployment is at at all time low which is a great achievement in itself.
After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant. Ending uncertainty will greatly assist business . "
Pat, you are unbelievable. No piece of information seems to actually sent your faith and prejudice.
Most people I would take the time to refute each point because I think that lies should always be challenged, but it just isn't worth the effort  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools! Just think how much worse things would be if a Labour government were elected. Their policies would destroy the economy which in turn would mean mean less taxes collected to fund the vital services to which you refer .
I cannot see too many people being too concerned about cuts in overseas aid . Whilst it might be admirable to help other countries this should be on a voluntary basis .
Luckily the Conservative party are more popular than any other party and as such common sense will prevail.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to create a sound economy which in turn generates additional revenues via taxation to fund vital services. In addition we should remember that unemployment is at at all time low which is a great achievement in itself.
After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant. Ending uncertainty will greatly assist business .
Pat, you are unbelievable. No piece of information seems to actually sent your faith and prejudice.
Most people I would take the time to refute each point because I think that lies should always be challenged, but it just isn't worth the effort "
This guy's post was in irony I assume?
"After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant"
Is an amazing sentence. I mean, where do people get this absolute rhubarb from? It can only be a piss take. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools! Just think how much worse things would be if a Labour government were elected. Their policies would destroy the economy which in turn would mean mean less taxes collected to fund the vital services to which you refer .
I cannot see too many people being too concerned about cuts in overseas aid . Whilst it might be admirable to help other countries this should be on a voluntary basis .
Luckily the Conservative party are more popular than any other party and as such common sense will prevail.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to create a sound economy which in turn generates additional revenues via taxation to fund vital services. In addition we should remember that unemployment is at at all time low which is a great achievement in itself.
After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant. Ending uncertainty will greatly assist business .
Pat, you are unbelievable. No piece of information seems to actually sent your faith and prejudice.
Most people I would take the time to refute each point because I think that lies should always be challenged, but it just isn't worth the effort
This guy's post was in irony I assume?
"After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant"
Is an amazing sentence. I mean, where do people get this absolute rhubarb from? It can only be a piss take."
No, this is Pat. He's been here before. He genuinely believes every word.
He may well be back to defend it with some other empty phrases.
His main sources are the Mail, the Telegraph and unnamed "specialist publications". |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
So you’re a limited company and you pay yourself a dividend, understood.
So why don’t you want to pay your fair share?"
I do pay my fair share, I work 65-75 hours per week I don’t see why I should be punished because of this.We all make different choices in life, the reason I earn good money is because of the hours I work. Why should I pay more tax than the person who chooses to work 40hours ? |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
Your the man on Question Time
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows."
Do you think I’m rich? Explain why you think I’ve got no self awareness or empathy ? |
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If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So it seems that the Tory’s will only spend £2.9bn more than now, they will not raise any more txes as they have promised not to touch Income Tax, National Insurance or VAT. Allegedly they have the funds in this £2.9bn to ‘recruit’ 50,000 extra nurses (changed to 19,000 when challenged), to build 40 ‘new’ hospitals (changed to 6 when challenged) to put 20,000 Police persons back on the street, but no costed plan.
After 9 years of Austerity, what else will they have to cut to fund this? Social Care, Local Councils, Environment, Overseas Aid? They have no source of extra income (even before the Brexit slump), so what gets cut first?
These people are charlatans trying to takeus for fools! Just think how much worse things would be if a Labour government were elected. Their policies would destroy the economy which in turn would mean mean less taxes collected to fund the vital services to which you refer .
I cannot see too many people being too concerned about cuts in overseas aid . Whilst it might be admirable to help other countries this should be on a voluntary basis .
Luckily the Conservative party are more popular than any other party and as such common sense will prevail.
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote to create a sound economy which in turn generates additional revenues via taxation to fund vital services. In addition we should remember that unemployment is at at all time low which is a great achievement in itself.
After Brexit the economy will be even more buoyant. Ending uncertainty will greatly assist business . "
Oh my god....he’s back....the tripe vendor....ready to fill up the politics forum with cut and paste from his favourite right wing rags....this should be fun!  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
Your the man on Question Time
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows.
Do you think I’m rich? Explain why you think I’ve got no self awareness or empathy ?"
Because 95% of the population is poorer.
The average salary is £37,428. You earn twice as much as that.
Objectively, you are rich.
If you are in the top 5% wealthiest people in the land and claim not to be rich, what conditions do you think the poorest 5% live?
Do you genuinely believe that you so not need to contribute more to the society that has put you in the position to earn so much?
The education, healthcare, policing, defence and infrastructure that allowed you to be who you are needs to be paid for, and the poor cannot cover that cost. Companies and the rich have to pay more to maintain it to the standard that we demand. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?"
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
So you’re a limited company and you pay yourself a dividend, understood.
So why don’t you want to pay your fair share?
I do pay my fair share, I work 65-75 hours per week I don’t see why I should be punished because of this.We all make different choices in life, the reason I earn good money is because of the hours I work. Why should I pay more tax than the person who chooses to work 40hours ? "
People earn very poor wages working multiple jobs doing the same hours as you.
They are still poor and you are still rich.
If someone works 10 hours a week for £80k are they rich? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
Your the man on Question Time
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows.
Do you think I’m rich? Explain why you think I’ve got no self awareness or empathy ?"
Just for clarity, I am not saying that you don't pay your fair share.
You may be employed and paying on PAYE.
I'm not doubting that you work very hard for it either.
All I am saying is that objectively you are rich compared to most of the population.
The very wealthy should be taxed slightly more as should corporations and there should actually be an effort made to enforce it.
No tax rises would be needed if what was due was paid.
It's easier to go after normal people who cannot squirrel their money abroad though. So the reality is that the large companies that employ us and the wealthiest make us poorer. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
I appreciate that some people work very hard to earn their £80,000 plus salary , but , from my experience the reason they are able to do so is because a lot more people work much much harder to keep the business going on a much lower salary |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
Your the man on Question Time
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows.
Do you think I’m rich? Explain why you think I’ve got no self awareness or empathy ?
Just for clarity, I am not saying that you don't pay your fair share.
You may be employed and paying on PAYE.
I'm not doubting that you work very hard for it either.
All I am saying is that objectively you are rich compared to most of the population.
The very wealthy should be taxed slightly more as should corporations and there should actually be an effort made to enforce it.
No tax rises would be needed if what was due was paid.
It's easier to go after normal people who cannot squirrel their money abroad though. So the reality is that the large companies that employ us and the wealthiest make us poorer."
I’ve got no problem in paying my fair share, my problem is having to pay more because I work longer hours. What if 2 people are on the same hourly rate, one decides to work 40 hours a week the other works 60. Should the guy that works 60hrs be taxed more? |
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"I appreciate that some people work very hard to earn their £80,000 plus salary , but , from my experience the reason they are able to do so is because a lot more people work much much harder to keep the business going on a much lower salary "
Maybe that’s your experience, I’m self employed so it’s up to me to earn my own money. |
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over a year ago
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
Your the man on Question Time
No self-awareness or empathy.
Just because you don't feel rich doesn't mean that you aren't.
Lots of people work very long hours and earn very, very little.
It won't be better for you if you can't receive medical treatment or the structure of society breaks down as inequality grows.
Do you think I’m rich? Explain why you think I’ve got no self awareness or empathy ?
Just for clarity, I am not saying that you don't pay your fair share.
You may be employed and paying on PAYE.
I'm not doubting that you work very hard for it either.
All I am saying is that objectively you are rich compared to most of the population.
The very wealthy should be taxed slightly more as should corporations and there should actually be an effort made to enforce it.
No tax rises would be needed if what was due was paid.
It's easier to go after normal people who cannot squirrel their money abroad though. So the reality is that the large companies that employ us and the wealthiest make us poorer."
The more you earn the more you pay in tax anyway, the more you earn the more you spend generally meaning the more you pay in tax yet again. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"I appreciate that some people work very hard to earn their £80,000 plus salary , but , from my experience the reason they are able to do so is because a lot more people work much much harder to keep the business going on a much lower salary
Maybe that’s your experience, I’m self employed so it’s up to me to earn my own money. "
. My experience of lesser paid workers working harder than higher paid workers also applies to self employed people , who were not able to carry out their self-employed duties and earn what they want without the assistance of a lot of very hard work by people on a lot less money doing 'their',job .I also have known alot of self employed people who work extremely hard who earn nowhere near £80,000 ...the point I am trying to make is that the top 5% appear to be claiming that they are the too 5% because they work harder than those who earn less , I have not found this to be the case |
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"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask."
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
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"" There is no - repeat no - magic money tree ......... "
FKN HUGE LIE !"
“Marijuana “
now that’s a “money tree “ the government should be taxing and growing .Worth it’s weight in gold by the gram..Also a vote winner amongst the hippies and the youth ..
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"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask.
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
So you’re a limited company and you pay yourself a dividend, understood.
So why don’t you want to pay your fair share?
I do pay my fair share, I work 65-75 hours per week I don’t see why I should be punished because of this.We all make different choices in life, the reason I earn good money is because of the hours I work. Why should I pay more tax than the person who chooses to work 40hours ?
People earn very poor wages working multiple jobs doing the same hours as you.
They are still poor and you are still rich.
If someone works 10 hours a week for £80k are they rich?"
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"Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
Another £8 a month in tax won't be sending you down the food bank."
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Go on then I'll bite.
How much extra would this £8 a month bring in to the treasury?.
So £96 quid per person per year on the high tax bracket yes?.
Somehow I don't see that funding labours promises |
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"Based on all the lies from Boris throughout his teneure ... what has he actually delivered successfully other then conning the nation .
Zilch
Doesn't seem to matter. People are voting Tory regardless what he does or says. The mainstream media will see to it.
Those who vote tory like the taste of shit, because who else would eat anything served by boris and his cronies. They mostly just vote for him because he is "funny".
If I want funny I’ll go see a comedian, I vote conservatives because it’s better for me.
Top 5% then, understood, guess who’s buying the next round then.
I earn over £80k but that doesn’t make me rich. I’m self employed and work very long hours to earn my money
So you’re a limited company and you pay yourself a dividend, understood.
So why don’t you want to pay your fair share?
I do pay my fair share, I work 65-75 hours per week I don’t see why I should be punished because of this.We all make different choices in life, the reason I earn good money is because of the hours I work. Why should I pay more tax than the person who chooses to work 40hours ?
People earn very poor wages working multiple jobs doing the same hours as you.
They are still poor and you are still rich.
If someone works 10 hours a week for £80k are they rich?
If your working 70hrs a week on minimum wage your earning 580 a week so your not poor either "
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
Cardiff |
Getting back to the Tory Manifesto, and their ability to make a complete cods of everything they touch...
...the existing government has a track record of doing this -
Universal Credit has been a fiasco,
Brexit Negotiations, fiasco,
HS2, fiasco,
Crossrail, fiasco,
Home Office treatment of Windrush and immigrants, a fiasco,
Austerity, a fiasco,
Social Services, a fiasco,
Housing Policy - pledged to build 200,000, built none, a fiasco,
the NHS underfunded and pushed to the brink.
The is the current Governments track record, why should we believe anything in their Manifesto and why should we believe they can deliver it, even if we believe the lies? |
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"Getting back to the Tory Manifesto, and their ability to make a complete cods of everything they touch...
...the existing government has a track record of doing this -
Universal Credit has been a fiasco,
Brexit Negotiations, fiasco,
HS2, fiasco,
Crossrail, fiasco,
Home Office treatment of Windrush and immigrants, a fiasco,
Austerity, a fiasco,
Social Services, a fiasco,
Housing Policy - pledged to build 200,000, built none, a fiasco,
the NHS underfunded and pushed to the brink.
The is the current Governments track record, why should we believe anything in their Manifesto and why should we believe they can deliver it, even if we believe the lies?"
People don't need to believe in any manifesto. Only brexit counts. And this is sad |
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"Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
Another £8 a month in tax won't be sending you down the food bank..
Go on then I'll bite.
How much extra would this £8 a month bring in to the treasury?.
So £96 quid per person per year on the high tax bracket yes?.
Somehow I don't see that funding labours promises "
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I got 1.5 billion approx?
Does this really pay for labours save the NHS claim? |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
Another £8 a month in tax won't be sending you down the food bank..
Go on then I'll bite.
How much extra would this £8 a month bring in to the treasury?.
So £96 quid per person per year on the high tax bracket yes?.
Somehow I don't see that funding labours promises .
I got 1.5 billion approx?
Does this really pay for labours save the NHS claim?"
This is the bullshit of the Tory Manifesto & their failures over the past 9 years. If you want to hijack, use your own thread please. |
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"Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
Another £8 a month in tax won't be sending you down the food bank..
Go on then I'll bite.
How much extra would this £8 a month bring in to the treasury?.
So £96 quid per person per year on the high tax bracket yes?.
Somehow I don't see that funding labours promises "
Not everyone in that top 5% will be earning exactly 80,000. Whilst there's likely more closer to 80k, there'll be a significant amount of income that will stretch stratospherically away from that figure. Thus you would have to calculate the population figures by their income, to determine the individual and thus total tax income. |
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I actually wouldn't mind paying a bit more if it actually made the country a better place for the less well and country as a whole but with the levels of waste and corruption and stupid decisions that goes with governments and their throw it up the wall mentality I'll continue to actively seek out and pay as little as fooking possible into the pot. |
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"Ch 4 website used to have a very good wealth checker.
Enter your income and find out where you are in the pecking order.
£27k - the average UK income - put you among the wealthiest 4% in the world.
£80k and most of the world thinks you've won the feckin lotto.
That's £4500 a month after tax and NI.
Another £8 a month in tax won't be sending you down the food bank..
Go on then I'll bite.
How much extra would this £8 a month bring in to the treasury?.
So £96 quid per person per year on the high tax bracket yes?.
Somehow I don't see that funding labours promises
Not everyone in that top 5% will be earning exactly 80,000. Whilst there's likely more closer to 80k, there'll be a significant amount of income that will stretch stratospherically away from that figure. Thus you would have to calculate the population figures by their income, to determine the individual and thus total tax income. "
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Oh yea, those very wealthy ones, they aint gonna pay, don't worry about that.
The 80-120k probably, 120-300k doubtful, maybe 15-30% ISH will pay the extra because it's no longer £8 a month is it?.
The 300-500k forget it, hardly anybody over 500k not on your Nelly.
This is a known tax revenue problem on income tax. |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Getting back to the Tory Manifesto, and their ability to make a complete cods of everything they touch...
...the existing government has a track record of doing this -
Universal Credit has been a fiasco,
Brexit Negotiations, fiasco,
HS2, fiasco,
Crossrail, fiasco,
Home Office treatment of Windrush and immigrants, a fiasco,
Austerity, a fiasco,
Social Services, a fiasco,
Housing Policy - pledged to build 200,000, built none, a fiasco,
the NHS underfunded and pushed to the brink.
The is the current Governments track record, why should we believe anything in their Manifesto and why should we believe they can deliver it, even if we believe the lies?"
If each of the above had been done properly, then we wouldn’t have ‘spaffed’ (as BJ puts it) £20bn plus on wasted projects (not even taking into account the human misery!). The Tory’s have cocked up everything they touch and need to be held to account. Chris Grayling on his own wasted £3bn, why isn’t he being jailed for incompetence? That would have bought several hospitals or paid for more nurses or police, but instead it was wasted with no return! |
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So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask.
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
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I didn't say that the solution was for the lower end of the well off to pay a bit more did I?
Why did you choose to reduce it to that?
I said the wealthy pay even more and wealthy corporations actually bloody pay!
Wealthy individuals are here because it is safe, they have a nice environment and they can do business.
Marginal increases do not make individuals move. Nobody is talking about huge rises.
Taxing corporations will them move. They are here because they are making money and they should pay for the infrastructure that allows them to do that. Everything from education to high enough incomes to internet connections.
You are guilty of making a political over-simplification.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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It's both.
They are lying and incompetent.
Perhaps even lying incompetently.
The nurses story was the same. 50,000 new nurses of which 18,000 are existing nurses being persuaded to stay.
The police story. 20,000 new police officers to replace the 21,000 that were removed.
40 new hospitals. Actually 6 new hospitals and plans for 34.
They are actually being called up on everything, but those who want to vote for them don't care. |
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"So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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The Australian points based immigration system was actually designed to increase the Australian population though immigration, which you could say is fair dinkum when they had a huge country and a population of 12 million.
Don't think it's really suited for the UK though with a Small country and a population of 68 million.
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"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask.
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
I didn't say that the solution was for the lower end of the well off to pay a bit more did I?
Why did you choose to reduce it to that?
I said the wealthy pay even more and wealthy corporations actually bloody pay!
Wealthy individuals are here because it is safe, they have a nice environment and they can do business.
Marginal increases do not make individuals move. Nobody is talking about huge rises.
Taxing corporations will them move. They are here because they are making money and they should pay for the infrastructure that allows them to do that. Everything from education to high enough incomes to internet connections.
You are guilty of making a political over-simplification.
I see no particular reason why married couples should be treated differently to individuals. Do you?"
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Yes as a state you want to encourage people to marry, it carries many benefits.
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over a year ago
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"So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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The Australian points based immigration system was actually designed to increase the Australian population though immigration, which you could say is fair dinkum when they had a huge country and a population of 12 million.
Don't think it's really suited for the UK though with a Small country and a population of 68 million.
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Why do we have "full" employment then and significant vacancies in all sorts of industries?
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"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask.
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
I didn't say that the solution was for the lower end of the well off to pay a bit more did I?
Why did you choose to reduce it to that?
I said the wealthy pay even more and wealthy corporations actually bloody pay!
Wealthy individuals are here because it is safe, they have a nice environment and they can do business.
Marginal increases do not make individuals move. Nobody is talking about huge rises.
Taxing corporations will them move. They are here because they are making money and they should pay for the infrastructure that allows them to do that. Everything from education to high enough incomes to internet connections.
You are guilty of making a political over-simplification.
I see no particular reason why married couples should be treated differently to individuals. Do you?"
I think you're missing my point. I'm not arguing that 'the rich' should not pay more, not that corporations shouldn't pay more either. What I am saying is that just taxing 'the rich' or corporations 'a little' more is not going to be enough to meet the £82 billion extra spending. I'm also saying that if, as nation, we actually want this level of extra spending, and hopefully the improvement in services that may come with it, then instead of looking around to see who else is going to pay for it we really need to be asking ourselves how much extra we individually are willing to pay for it all.
As for the married couples: personally I think everything should be done to encourage people with children to form as stable relationship with each other as possible, but that's a discussion for another day. It simply relates to this thread because it is a TAX increase that will effect a lot of people who most definitely are not in the top 5%.
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"So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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The Australian points based immigration system was actually designed to increase the Australian population though immigration, which you could say is fair dinkum when they had a huge country and a population of 12 million.
Don't think it's really suited for the UK though with a Small country and a population of 68 million.
Why do we have "full" employment then and significant vacancies in all sorts of industries?
That's with the "too many" immigrants that we already have. "
But he is right; the Australian system was designed to increase immigration in to Australia - exact opposite of what Johnson says he wants to use it for here.
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"So, with most of this thread having actually been spent on talking about what's wrong with Labour's manifesto, let's try something from the Conservative manifesto.
IMMIGRATION!
The Conservatives say they are going to end "Free Movement" and introduce a new "Australian Style" points based system which will allow high skilled workers that our economy needs to come and work here and EU nationals who do not have a job to come to will not be allowed to stay.
This is simply not true. In the first place we already have a points based system that applies to the whole world except the EU and have had it for over 10 years. In fact the guidance for our existing points based system was only update last week.
The second untruth is that "Free Movement" will end when we leave the EU. It won't. When we leave the EU we then enter into negotiations for a trade deal and when that trade deal is negotiated we then enter into a transition period of at least 2 years. During all that time we have already agreed in Johnson's withdrawal agreement that "Free Movement" will continue: that's at least 3 more years.
The third untruth is that EU nationals who do not have a job will not be allowed to stay here. This is untrue in two ways. EU nationals who can not support themselves can already be sent home, as can UK nationals or any EU national not living in their own country and, under both the "Australian" and our own current points based system many immigrants qualify for entry even if they don't have a job here in the UK to go to. That won't change.
I don't think I've seen anything quite as mendacious as this so called new immigration policy. Either the Conservatives are lying to the people about this or they simply don't know what they have already agreed to in the Johnson's withdrawal agreement nor how "Free Movement" and our current points based system actually works.
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The Australian points based immigration system was actually designed to increase the Australian population though immigration, which you could say is fair dinkum when they had a huge country and a population of 12 million.
Don't think it's really suited for the UK though with a Small country and a population of 68 million.
Why do we have "full" employment then and significant vacancies in all sorts of industries?
That's with the "too many" immigrants that we already have.
But he is right; the Australian system was designed to increase immigration in to Australia - exact opposite of what Johnson says he wants to use it for here.
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isn’t that because that’s what Australia wanted/needed isn’t that what all country’s want to control how many and who they want/ that’s the reason for borders right ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"If someone is self-employed and earns £80,000 a year they should be applauded. No holiday or sick pay, don't work, don't earn.
Why do some people assume somebody in this position doesn't pay their way?
If you are sensible and are contracting then you are paid minimum wage and pay corporation tax and dividend tax on the remainder.
That is significantly less than the equivalent income tax and national insurance rate.
That more than covers holiday and sick pay.
I agree that is compensation for the relative insecurity of contracting, but "permanent" employment is a misnomer in today's economy.
Earning that much money pits you in a privileged financial position.
If providing adequate Cancer care provision requires someone earning £80k to pay a bit more and someone earning £1million to apt a bit more still and Amazon to pay something at all then I don't think that's too much to ask.
It's never too much to ask (actually demand) someone else to pay 'a little more'. But if you really want better services then the question to ask is how much more are you willing to pay for them, not how much more you can make someone else pay for them.
There is absolutely no way £82 billion extra spending can be payed for by 'a few' paying 'a little bit more'. Either 'a few' are going to be paying a lot more or we're all going to being 'a little bit more', and I'm not so sure that the little bit we will all end up paying is actually going to be that little but it seems the first group, after the rich 'few', to be hit is married couples by £250 a year. Who's next?
I didn't say that the solution was for the lower end of the well off to pay a bit more did I?
Why did you choose to reduce it to that?
I said the wealthy pay even more and wealthy corporations actually bloody pay!
Wealthy individuals are here because it is safe, they have a nice environment and they can do business.
Marginal increases do not make individuals move. Nobody is talking about huge rises.
Taxing corporations will them move. They are here because they are making money and they should pay for the infrastructure that allows them to do that. Everything from education to high enough incomes to internet connections.
You are guilty of making a political over-simplification.
I see no particular reason why married couples should be treated differently to individuals. Do you?
I think you're missing my point. I'm not arguing that 'the rich' should not pay more, not that corporations shouldn't pay more either. What I am saying is that just taxing 'the rich' or corporations 'a little' more is not going to be enough to meet the £82 billion extra spending. I'm also saying that if, as nation, we actually want this level of extra spending, and hopefully the improvement in services that may come with it, then instead of looking around to see who else is going to pay for it we really need to be asking ourselves how much extra we individually are willing to pay for it all.
As for the married couples: personally I think everything should be done to encourage people with children to form as stable relationship with each other as possible, but that's a discussion for another day. It simply relates to this thread because it is a TAX increase that will effect a lot of people who most definitely are not in the top 5%.
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Getting tax vaguely appropriate to what Amazon or Facebook or many other companies actually makes in the UK would easily cover any expenditure that the UK requires.
It really would be possible to face down a lot of big companies but we choose not to.
You think that tax allowances effect the stability of a relationship? That will keep a family together? Is it better that they stay together unhappily than split up?
I understand the sentiment but I think the reality is very far from the intention. Better sex and relationships lessons at school are far more likely to improve these outcomes than a tax allowance. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"The Daily Mail and the Sun are enough manifestos for most people. No-one wants to read the real thing. "
. This reminded me of a situation a few days before the the 2017 General Election , I had a few "rare" spare hours and was passing a library , I entered and asked the 2 members of staff if they had the party manifestos for the upcoming election , only to be told they didn't have them ,I was a little surprised and asked if there was a reason ,I was told it was to do with impartiality ," I will have a read of the papers while I am here instead ," I said " do you have today's Mail or Sun ?" ,,," yes" they gleefully replied , obviously pleased they could help me " they are over there on the table " |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Some libraries in central Fife still refuse to stock certain papers that backed the UK Government against the miners strike.
In 1928!
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Sounds like typical socialist censorship to me i thought libraries were for everyone. |
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