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The people who have died under tory rule.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Empathy is not a quality that springs to mind when I see Conservative Party politicians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Can you name any?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Can you name any?"

This is what you're dealing with when trying to point things out to Tory voters.

Facts are meaningless. In this example this person, for some reason, want you to name someone who has died as a result of the Tory party austerity. As if that somehow suggests that everything is wonderful under Tory rule.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Bullshit!

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

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you do post some crap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

This is absolute rubbish. If you seriously think that any political party in the UK somehow has some sort of extermination program against any sector of the population you should seek help immediately. You need to visit somewhere like China or Iran or maybe Syria to get a sense of perspective and understanding of what a true totalitarian government looks like.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

A homeless person in Wakefield died two days ago due to the cold. Homelessness has risen dramatically since the Tories came to power.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Can you name any?

This is what you're dealing with when trying to point things out to Tory voters.

So that will be a no then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A homeless person in Wakefield died two days ago due to the cold. Homelessness has risen dramatically since the Tories came to power. "

So are you saying that homeless people have only ever died under a Tory government?

I somehow struggle to belive that. This is what the extreme left do, bleat out lies galore portraying anyone with a will to suceed as evil. Firtunately educated people on all political spectrums can see beyond this.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Says in the paper today that 70 000 people have died waiting for social care since the Tories came to power 9 years ago.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Says in the paper today that 70 000 people have died waiting for social care since the Tories came to power 9 years ago. "

What paper? Mirror by any chance? I don't know about the figures, they may be right they may not but they need to be measured against something. For instance, how many died waiting for social care the 9 years previous to that.

Don't get me wrong, it sounds a lot but it does not give circumstances or details that could explain why many of these occurred. For all we know none of these deaths are the fault of government, there can be 100s of reasons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty. "

I'm not, I don't go round being nasty. I express my opinion then get abused by those that disagree, puts me on the moral high ground in reality

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

The figures are from Age Concern UK, a charity not connected to the Labour party

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Telegraph reports in February "50 000 die waiting for social care while Ministers delay"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty.

I'm not, I don't go round being nasty. I express my opinion then get abused by those that disagree, puts me on the moral high ground in reality

Excellent example; The who’s right and who’s wrong argument.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Telegraph reports in February "50 000 die waiting for social care while Ministers delay""

It doesn’t really matter.

People are dying. All around us, everyday

This doesn’t need to be proved. It’s sick that it has to be, in my opinion.

Scarlett

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty.

I'm not, I don't go round being nasty. I express my opinion then get abused by those that disagree, puts me on the moral high ground in reality

Excellent example; The who’s right and who’s wrong argument.

Now who's being nasty

I just said I express my opinion, I didn't say I was right...... all the time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Telegraph reports in February "50 000 die waiting for social care while Ministers delay""

Terrible to hear, but the Telegraph is biased and there is no evidence that any of these deaths would not have happened anyway.

This could go back and forth for ever. I respect you view and agree better systems need to be in place but can't accept plain figures with no evidence

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty.

I'm not, I don't go round being nasty. I express my opinion then get abused by those that disagree, puts me on the moral high ground in reality

Excellent example; The who’s right and who’s wrong argument.

Now who's being nasty

I just said I express my opinion, I didn't say I was right...... all the time

No. And I haven’t said you think that

I’m referring to how people like to debate. Never said you think you’re always right. I don’t know who you are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

All I sense from the OP is she’s peed’ off too. We all are. Doesn’t warrant calling her views bullshit. A lot of people think this.

I’m not bothered about who votes what but I tell you something, a lot of people have a problem with who I choose to vote for

Even defacing my property.

Find the whole thing quite sad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Can you name any?

This is what you're dealing with when trying to point things out to Tory voters.

So that will be a no then."

John Smith,

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

All I sense from the OP is she’s peed’ off too. We all are. Doesn’t warrant calling her views bullshit. A lot of people think this.

I’m not bothered about who votes what but I tell you something, a lot of people have a problem with who I choose to vote for

Even defacing my property.

Find the whole thing quite sad. "

I'm not sure it the OP's post is an opinion or an allegation?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I think the word I am looking for is "neglect".

That is how I'd characterise this administration's attitude towards those who find themselves in dire circumstances.

Neglect.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I think the word I am looking for is "neglect".

That is how I'd characterise this administration's attitude towards those who find themselves in dire circumstances.

Neglect.

So how would you characterise the Staffordshire hospital scandal/deaths/neglect?

Not forgetting Shrewsbury and Telford.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative"

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative" "

Since when was the EHRC the UN?

And I think as far as the UN is concerned it wasn't an investigation as such.

Just one Brazilian left winger who took on herself to stir up trouble. Later she was totally discredited.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative"

Since when was the EHRC the UN?

And I think as far as the UN is concerned it wasn't an investigation as such.

Just one Brazilian left winger who took on herself to stir up trouble. Later she was totally discredited.

The UN investigation into poverty and human rights in the UK which and the impact of the austerity ideology of Theresa May and David Cameron.

If you want to vote for the tories then that's your right, but dont lecture people about the tories not being bastards because they are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a load of self righteous old cobblers. What strange arrogance to think that you as a labour voter claim all rights to be compassion and caring and all others have none.

No wonder your man is doing so badly in the polls of late. What makes you behave in this way. It is just so sinister how this cult of hatred and name calling is chipping away at normal behaviour. What on earth is going on at Labour meetings I wonder of late ?

It's like a sort of cult hatred that if it isn't snuffed out will lead to concentration camps and correctional behaviour facilities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of self righteous old cobblers. What strange arrogance to think that you as a labour voter claim all rights to be compassion and caring and all others have none.

It's like a sort of cult hatred that if it isn't snuffed out will lead to concentration camps and correctional behaviour facilities."

Who? Moi?

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By *igsteve43Man over a year ago

derby

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative"

Since when was the EHRC the UN?

And I think as far as the UN is concerned it wasn't an investigation as such.

Just one Brazilian left winger who took on herself to stir up trouble. Later she was totally discredited.

The UN investigation into poverty and human rights in the UK which and the impact of the austerity ideology of Theresa May and David Cameron.

If you want to vote for the tories then that's your right, but dont lecture people about the tories not being bastards because they are

Well people should also stop claiming labour are the party of the working class as unemployment always rises when they are in power

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative"

Since when was the EHRC the UN?

And I think as far as the UN is concerned it wasn't an investigation as such.

Just one Brazilian left winger who took on herself to stir up trouble. Later she was totally discredited.

The UN investigation into poverty and human rights in the UK which and the impact of the austerity ideology of Theresa May and David Cameron.

If you want to vote for the tories then that's your right, but dont lecture people about the tories not being bastards because they are

Well people should also stop claiming labour are the party of the working class as unemployment always rises when they are in power"

These the figures the tories massage to bullshit the statistics? If you believe the tory employment figures being so good since the 1970s, how come we nearly fell into recession?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Can you name any?

This is what you're dealing with when trying to point things out to Tory voters.

So that will be a no then."

This is the absolute lowest common denominator argument. And, it doesn't even make sense.

Why is someones name relevent to this conversation?

There was a man who died in the job centre, in some place in Wales this week. After being declared fit for work. But the news papers didn't publish his name.

If you knew his name. Would this impact your opinion?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

I will vote Conservative and your post will not change that. I have close friends who will vote Labour. We don't hate each other or spout of bullshit like the OP. We just have a different opinion for God's sake. "
that’s real life most of the ppl spouting shit on fab probably have friends and family who voted diffrent to them also and they treat them exactly the same as they did before the vote. But on fab they can troll ppl with out showing there faces there just a bunch of shithouses

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

I will vote Conservative and your post will not change that. I have close friends who will vote Labour. We don't hate each other or spout of bullshit like the OP. We just have a different opinion for God's sake. that’s real life most of the ppl spouting shit on fab probably have friends and family who voted diffrent to them also and they treat them exactly the same as they did before the vote. But on fab they can troll ppl with out showing there faces there just a bunch of shithouses "

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"This kind of thread really pees me of. Does anyone really believe this crap?

I will vote Conservative and your post will not change that. I have close friends who will vote Labour. We don't hate each other or spout of bullshit like the OP. We just have a different opinion for God's sake. that’s real life most of the ppl spouting shit on fab probably have friends and family who voted diffrent to them also and they treat them exactly the same as they did before the vote. But on fab they can troll ppl with out showing there faces there just a bunch of shithouses "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Telegraph reports in February "50 000 die waiting for social care while Ministers delay"

Terrible to hear, but the Telegraph is biased and there is no evidence that any of these deaths would not have happened anyway.

This could go back and forth for ever. I respect you view and agree better systems need to be in place but can't accept plain figures with no evidence"

Are you Centy? The heartless tone certainly sounds like he used to lol

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By *hechairman18Man over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

"Says in the paper today that 70 000 people have died waiting for social care since the Tories came to power 9 years ago. "

Well, if it's in the paper, it must be true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

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Hi. If you believe that people have died as a result of government policy , just think how many more would die if another party were in power.

A Labour government would destroy the economy and there would be even less money available to help the poor and needy. Higher Corporation tax would reduce the income of both charities and pensioners . (with many charities being dependent on income from legacies ). Not only do labout want to increase corporation tax , they want to increase taxes on investment income.

The issue which needs to be addressed are the reasons people are claiming benefits and why friends are family are not helping them.

We can hardly expect the government to shoulder the blame entirely for people's misfortunes .

It is a sad fact of life that there are simply some people whom you cannot help.

More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Hi. If you believe that people have died as a result of government policy , just think how many more would die if another party were in power.

The issue which needs to be addressed are the reasons people are claiming benefits and why friends are family are not helping them.

We can hardly expect the government to shoulder the blame entirely for people's misfortunes .

It is a sad fact of life that there are simply some people whom you cannot help.

More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off . "

I heard that people believe this kind of thing.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Hi. If you believe that people have died as a result of government policy , just think how many more would die if another party were in power.

The issue which needs to be addressed are the reasons people are claiming benefits and why friends are family are not helping them.

We can hardly expect the government to shoulder the blame entirely for people's misfortunes .

It is a sad fact of life that there are simply some people whom you cannot help.

More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off . "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

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............What a sad act you are !!!!!!..... and I vote Labour !!!!!

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off."

Wrong. As usual. The last government was a minority government.

Most people do not vote Tory. The FPTP system allows them to form a government even if the majority of voters do not assent to it.

This is, of course, also true of the Labour Party; when they govern.

As for there being more income from taxation (from a buoyant economy) being used to help the less fortunate. There's been very little evidence of that since 2010.

Quite the contrary.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

I would have thought that remainers would be happy with this, as the majority of those extra deaths will have been older people - you know, the people that voted to leave...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of self righteous old cobblers. What strange arrogance to think that you as a labour voter claim all rights to be compassion and caring and all others have none.

It's like a sort of cult hatred that if it isn't snuffed out will lead to concentration camps and correctional behaviour facilities."

I'm trying to think of the name of the politician who was recently asked to curtail his rhetoric because it was so hate filled that it was feared it would inspire violence against opposition party members.....

Can't remember who that was. Anyone remember?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh no wait I googled it....

"Mr Johnson dismissed criticisms of his rhetoric as “humbug” after MPs raised their fears that being branded “traitors” and accused of “betrayal” was turning them into targets for violence."

There you go. Knew it was somebody Johnson just couldn't remember the first name.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Bullshit!

OK Boomer!

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By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

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By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Utter shite.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

It’s true, the investigation is welcomed, the tories are an anti-muslim party they would get ruined if they got investigated.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Utter shite."

Hahahaha I don’t need a lecture from a penis pic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

you do post some crap."

No its seriously true!, I’ve seen it, but its true what they say about ppl in suffolk, go strum your banjo hahahahaha!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!"

Go get help. You need it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A homeless person in Wakefield died two days ago due to the cold. Homelessness has risen dramatically since the Tories came to power.

So are you saying that homeless people have only ever died under a Tory government?

Maybe you should got an talk to the poor, get some perspective in your life.

But i doubt you’re brave enough to do that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

All this arguing amongst each other and calling people’s personal thoughts/concerns and what not bullshit.

We can say whatever we like about the Government. They don’t care. They’re not loosing sleep.

But the divide!!! Amongst us! The victims in all of this!!

The hate and spite.

What the hell are you playing at.

We’re so steering away from what really matters. Can’t anyone see that?

Everyone is just becoming plain nasty.

I'm not, I don't go round being nasty. I express my opinion then get abused by those that disagree, puts me on the moral high ground in reality

Really?, you maybe eloquent, but your personality betrays you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Hi. If you believe that people have died as a result of government policy , just think how many more would die if another party were in power.

The issue which needs to be addressed are the reasons people are claiming benefits and why friends are family are not helping them.

We can hardly expect the government to shoulder the blame entirely for people's misfortunes .

It is a sad fact of life that there are simply some people whom you cannot help.

More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off . "

It aims but fails to deliver, we’ve given them nine years to sort this shit out, time for a change.

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By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Utter shite.

Hahahaha I don’t need a lecture from a penis pic."

You consider "utter shite" to be a lecture ? Oh right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

Go get help. You need it."

Truth hurts? Did i hit a nerve. If you reply it probably has.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

Go get help. You need it.

Truth hurts? Did i hit a nerve. If you reply it probably has.

No I just think you are a sad troll. Trolls deserve to be called out for their bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Utter shite.

Hahahaha I don’t need a lecture from a penis pic.

You consider "utter shite" to be a lecture ? Oh right.

In your mind thats an entire thesis. But for the weak minded a few grunts would have sufficed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

Go get help. You need it.

Truth hurts? Did i hit a nerve. If you reply it probably has.

No I just think you are a sad troll. Trolls deserve to be called out for their bullshit. "

you did also! You had the power to stop! But your anger and pride got in the way!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Hi. If you believe that people have died as a result of government policy , just think how many more would die if another party were in power.

The issue which needs to be addressed are the reasons people are claiming benefits and why friends are family are not helping them.

We can hardly expect the government to shoulder the blame entirely for people's misfortunes .

It is a sad fact of life that there are simply some people whom you cannot help.

More people vote Tory than any other party because it's aim is to support a buoyant economy which in turn means that there is more money raised via taxation to help the less well off . "

How does supporting a buoyant economy match up with the Conservatives policy on BREXIT and it's vicious attack via HMRC on independent contractors?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

Go get help. You need it.

Truth hurts? Did i hit a nerve. If you reply it probably has.

No I just think you are a sad troll. Trolls deserve to be called out for their bullshit.

you did also! You had the power to stop! But your anger and pride got in the way!

Yes I have the power to ignore you, and the power to reply. Entirely my choice not yours. Angry, yes, because you seek to use dead people to provoke a reaction. You use their lives to make stupid statements on the internet so that you can get some sort of kick out of it. That behaviour is disgusting and I see no reason to ever let someone get away with it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

It’s true, the investigation is welcomed, the tories are an anti-muslim party they would get ruined if they got investigated."

No, the Tory Party is not an anti-Muslim party any more than the Labour party is an anti-Jewish party. However both parties definitely have elements of both in their membership and supporters. Maybe if they both spent more time sorting out their own anti-semitic problems (and just to clear Arabs semites too) than they do trying to score points off the other for theirs, they might actually find some resolutions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone got out of the wrong side of bed today

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

The 120,000 figure is based on a projection of 45,000 from 2010 to 2014. However there is no evidence that the extra 10,000 deaths a year are due to any change in government policy, in fact between 2010 and 2012 there was little change in government policy as the Government's austerity program didn't kick in until 2012. It's as likely that these extra 10,000 a year deaths were the result of an older population and general hardships brought about by the economic crash in 2008.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Actually it isn’t, but then again when people support the oppressors, they would say that!

Go get help. You need it.

Truth hurts? Did i hit a nerve. If you reply it probably has.

No I just think you are a sad troll. Trolls deserve to be called out for their bullshit.

you did also! You had the power to stop! But your anger and pride got in the way!

I am telling the truth about what the tories have done, you want to suppress the truth, their policies have caused deaths of people, through cuts to public service, welfare and social care.

You are seriously misguided, and quick to temper, it is not I who needs the help, it is in actual fact yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

It’s true, the investigation is welcomed, the tories are an anti-muslim party they would get ruined if they got investigated.

true but those tories will always use that to keep themselves in power.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Very true.

But since when as a Labour supporters anti Tory rant been based on actual evidence?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Total nonsense . Maybe educate yourself; find a dictionary and look up the definition of murder.... jeez ..... next you will be saying the Labour Party are not anti Semitic

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Very true.

But since when as a Labour supporters anti Tory rant been based on actual evidence?"

Ok Boomer!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

Total nonsense . Maybe educate yourself; find a dictionary and look up the definition of murder.... jeez ..... next you will be saying the Labour Party are not anti Semitic "

Maybe you should educate yourself on inequality, no wait the oppressor don’t recognise the damage they do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jeee, the government are murdering people.....

Fucking Brexits making some go soft in the head me thinks

Possibly some part of government policy may have contributed towards an overall shitty situation that has resulted in some deaths yes, but "murdering" nope.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Very true.

But since when as a Labour supporters anti Tory rant been based on actual evidence?

Ok Boomer!"

Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? If so, big fail.

I suppose that is natural really. Since when has the Labour party done anything but fail?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just a thought who remembers the days of labour control and or union strikes at the drop of a hat ? How many deaths may have been caused by a fire engine or ambulance not arriving on time or a decades old machine being used as allowing the countries assets might contaminate for after strike use? How many deaths may have been collected to rat proliferation from uncollected refuse in the streets?

The labour POLICIES are just as able to cause unnecessary death as any other party. This is politics and an election not a war of hatred ! On the 13 we are all still neighbours are we not ? Some closer than others physically and ideologically ! At least we are in the minority of countries that let you discuss and vote Some can vote. So long as it’s for the party hey Comrade !?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across."

I think you're letting your distaste for people's politics override your ability to discriminate between fact and propaganda. Murder is the deliberate killing of one human being by another. There is no evidence of that. It's this sort of over emotive language that is directly leading to the toxic atmosphere we have in politics these days, and also to the constant death threats and harassment that politicians are being subjected to everyday. Inciting hatred, even against Tories, is not the way to make a better society. Argue on the facts, not the speculation or the propaganda.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across.

Well said.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends "onservative"

Since when was the EHRC the UN?

And I think as far as the UN is concerned it wasn't an investigation as such.

Just one Brazilian left winger who took on herself to stir up trouble. Later she was totally discredited.

The UN investigation into poverty and human rights in the UK which and the impact of the austerity ideology of Theresa May and David Cameron.

If you want to vote for the tories then that's your right, but dont lecture people about the tories not being bastards because they are

I'm a Tory, and proud of it.

Don't lecture people about the Labour party not being incompetent, anti Semitic lying scumbags, because they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends o"onservative" "
How many died in the war so Blair could look big on the world stage.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"After nine years more people have died due to tory policies.

Isn’t it time to understand that the tories are murderers, and if you keep them in power you are allowing them to kill more people.

For those who vote tory, think about this.

You have the power to stop this, December 12 don’t vote conservative.

ABCAB

There is only one party standing in this election that has been reported to the EHRC.

Tip: It's not the Conservative party.

Only one UK party has been investigated by the United Nations! For the treatment of its own citizens.. tip: starts with "C" and ends o"onservative" How many died in the war so Blair could look big on the world stage. "

Shhhhh! Don't mention that. The Labour lot on here will throw a proper hissy fit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Very true.

But since when as a Labour supporters anti Tory rant been based on actual evidence?

Ok Boomer!

Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? If so, big fail.

I suppose that is natural really. Since when has the Labour party done anything but fail?

Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

If you did not understand it then, you don’t now, buh bye!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across.

They didn’t need to implement a policy of austerity, didnt they? Therefore it was deliberate.

Its a fact! tory policies have cause suffering to many people in the UK and abroad, whoever denies this must be ignorant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ilkysmooth123Man over a year ago

nr sedbergh

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across.

They didn’t need to implement a policy of austerity, didnt they? Therefore it was deliberate.

Its a fact! tory policies have cause suffering to many people in the UK and abroad, whoever denies this must be ignorant."

Well they did need to implement a policy of austerity really didnt they.The coffers were empty.So not really a fact at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The OP's original post is not true but it is based on true data.

Full fact has a good piece on the subject.

In short there has been an increase in deaths but the evidence is simply not there to say that the increase is related to government policy, but it might be.

Of course, have you ever seen a box on a death certificate saying death from tory policy? of course not!

This is the most insidious type of murder, state sponsored, Creating the conditions through policy and law to create the environment to cause greater hardship for its citizens. Ideologically driven.

But I have used too many big words, they might not understand, so I use simple words to get the point across.

They didn’t need to implement a policy of austerity, didnt they? Therefore it was deliberate.

Its a fact! tory policies have cause suffering to many people in the UK and abroad, whoever denies this must be ignorant.

Well they did need to implement a policy of austerity really didnt they.The coffers were empty.So not really a fact at all."

Or they could have made the tax dodging corporations pay their taxes.

Just an idea.