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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Finally, the answer We needed!

Labour has done it, a brilliant manifesto, and sorting the rubbish of 9 years of tory bluster and bullshit!

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt"

So true matt, but many people need that assurance. Its was correct for him to give them that.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt"

It's been in mind a somewhat too. The party makes it clear how they decide their policies and overall direction, so really only those who choose to remain ignorant of that, or who like to buy into the scare tactics of the right wing media, must get obsess over it.

The party is fairly moderate and it really becomes apparent how moderate they are, when compared with the extremists who are hell bent on quitting the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Moderate, Uhhhhhh ???

Moderate ???

This is not moderation, this is revolution. This is Wolfy smith "power to the people" revolution.

Good luck there with that one. That was a sit com in the 70s and this manifesto is like a script from it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt"

An excellent point.His neutrality is a positive inclusive outlook .Better than the extremists in the Conservative party and the Brexit party and the liberal dems..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"weve had a referendum leave are you all fucking stupid "

Ladies and gentleman.

This is currently the best of the best of leave arguments.

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By *hongguyMan over a year ago

heckmondwike

cant believe theres any people on here that would actually vote labour can you imagine abbott doing the sums for the country we would be skint after the first 6 hrs are you all fucking stupid they will bankrupt the country within 3 month

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"weve had a referendum leave are you all fucking stupid

Ladies and gentleman.

This is currently the best of the best of leave arguments."

We have a winner...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"cant believe theres any people on here that would actually vote labour can you imagine abbott doing the sums for the country we would be skint after the first 6 hrs are you all fucking stupid they will bankrupt the country within 3 month"

Amazing.

Post up some more thoughts please.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

One of the 5%

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

If the labour party are going to re negotiate a deal its nice to know if they are for leaving or remaining before they do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the 5%"

I especially enjoyed the leap from 6hrs to 3 months in the space of 11 and a half words.

Also, extra comedy value if you read it as typed. So no punctuation, no pauses. Just blurted out in one angry stream.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the labour party are going to re negotiate a deal its nice to know if they are for leaving or remaining before they do."

Why?

Even the best possible deal is still a shit sandwich.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The thing is do you want to go back to the 1970s or do you wish to move forward x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The thing is do you want to go back to the 1970s or do you wish to move forward x"

Brexit is a one way trip to the 1950s ..I’ll pass on the nostalgia

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If the labour party are going to re negotiate a deal its nice to know if they are for leaving or remaining before they do."

Neutrality is a position, and then carrying out the will of the people is more important the JC, because listens to both sides. He wants to bring us back together.

Only extremists would want you to choose a side.

Level headed reasonable people compromise.

Are you an extremist?

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated"

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated""

Huh? Really?

He did far better than boris

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated""

You are right the headlines probably would say that....why? Because media outlets and newspapers are all owned by very wealthy people who would have to pay a bit more tax than the rest of us.

Ofcourse they want to do anything they can to stop corbyn and have been doing that since he became leader.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"weve had a referendum leave are you all fucking stupid

Ladies and gentleman.

This is currently the best of the best of leave arguments."
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To be fair, it's the only real argument that matters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated"

You are right the headlines probably would say that....why? Because media outlets and newspapers are all owned by very wealthy people who would have to pay a bit more tax than the rest of us.

Ofcourse they want to do anything they can to stop corbyn and have been doing that since he became leader. "

You’ll notice he decided Corbyn had been annihilated while Boris was still talking and getting heckled..,Hes Just kicking sand ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the labour party are going to re negotiate a deal its nice to know if they are for leaving or remaining before they do.

Neutrality is a position, and then carrying out the will of the people is more important the JC, because listens to both sides. He wants to bring us back together.

Only extremists would want you to choose a side.

Level headed reasonable people compromise.

Are you an extremist?

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Well, yes, I voted remain, I choose that side, I'm still a remainer,I thought it was best then and still do today.

Unfortunately my chosen side lost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated""

Did you pass out before Boris came out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn't realise I'd become an extremist when I was asked to pick a choice on a referendum paper.

I must have missed that meeting

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By *ackinabox19Man over a year ago

Harrogate

The whole system is a joke !!!

We vote them in based on the promises they make they don’t deliver and are not accountable for any of it !! It needs to change and if this election goes wrong we will have people taking to the streets just like we see happening in other countries because everyone seems very passionate about this subject more so than ever before, we constantly get lied to and fed false promises !!

Make them accountable!!! If they don’t deliver on at least a certain amount of what they promise within a certain time then take it back to another vote !!!

We have a huge gap for a new party that people can relate to and trust !!

Personally I normally go labour but really think we will be taking a huge step backwards this time, I don’t actually mind Boris but struggle to vote conservative so my vote will be going to a smaller party that I feel are in touch with things that are important to me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole system is a joke !!!

Make them accountable!!! If they don’t deliver on at least a certain amount of what they promise within a certain time then take it back to another vote !!!

We have a huge gap for a new party that people can relate to and trust !!

You know that 100,000 signatures thing... Well I reckon along those lines would be good for the public to throw out a sitting government, or force a party to ditch there elected tool... I reckon 100,000 might be slightly chaotic so better make it 12 signatures

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The whole system is a joke !!!

Make them accountable!!! If they don’t deliver on at least a certain amount of what they promise within a certain time then take it back to another vote !!!

We have a huge gap for a new party that people can relate to and trust !!

Brexit party for you then

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

The fact that Corbyn has said he will be neutral is a relief that we can at least see a way to ending brexit ,,, get an actual agreement with The E.U. (it could even be Mays or Johnsons deal but I hope not ) then have a vote so people aren't voting for something written on the side of a bus but an actual document ,,,, then ....the crucial important part ,,,,,The Prime Minister of the day ( in this case Corbyn) implements that vote ( irrespective of which way it goes ) the very next day ,,something the conservative party should have been ready to do in June 2016 instead of giving us 3 years of dither and delay ,with their own MPs ( eg Johnson ) voting against their own deal ..there will be no scope for any MP to stop brexit under Labours plan as they will immediately implement the result the following day

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"The fact that Corbyn has said he will be neutral is a relief that we can at least see a way to ending brexit ,,, get an actual agreement with The E.U. (it could even be Mays or Johnsons deal but I hope not ) then have a vote so people aren't voting for something written on the side of a bus but an actual document ,,,, then ....the crucial important part ,,,,,The Prime Minister of the day ( in this case Corbyn) implements that vote ( irrespective of which way it goes ) the very next day ,,something the conservative party should have been ready to do in June 2016 instead of giving us 3 years of dither and delay ,with their own MPs ( eg Johnson ) voting against their own deal ..there will be no scope for any MP to stop brexit under Labours plan as they will immediately implement the result the following day "

To be fair the Tories couldn’t have implemented Brexit the very next day in 2016 as they hadn’t the foggiest of a plan.

-Matt

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

"If Swinson hadn't have turned up the headlines would have read "Corbyn annihilated"

Huh? Really?

He did far better than boris"

I turned Bozo off 2 mins in and went for a fag. The sheffield crowd didn't do Swinson any favours.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

In fact they were an incredibly informed electorate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt"

The first time Corbyn refused to say if he was for or against Brexit and was going to leave it to the people to decide I took that as his neutrality on the issue.

Why people found that so difficult to grasp is beyond me

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I thought Labour's policy has been clear for ages.

An exit agreement that takes the UK from membership of the EU to membership of the customs union.

Then a ballot of the public on whether they want to proceed with it.

Seems moderate and sensible.

Corbyn says he will implement whatever the public decides - indeed, the referendum would be legally binding - so he really does not need to campaign for either outcome.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"In fact they were an incredibly informed electorate. "

That’s the reality, politicians cannot hide behind bluff and bluster like last time.

More people are questioning what is being said, who’s its being said by and their track record on issues in the past.

The electorate aren’t going to be taken for a ride like in 2015 and 2017.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In fact they were an incredibly informed electorate.

That’s the reality, politicians cannot hide behind bluff and bluster like last time.

More people are questioning what is being said, who’s its being said by and their track record on issues in the past.

The electorate aren’t going to be taken for a ride like in 2015 and 2017.

I disagree. Just look, as am example, at this thread.

People are still believing the same lies, the same nonsence.

Brexit is good.

Labour are going to bankrupt the country.

Etc etc.

People still believe it, and aren't even interested in the facts any more. In terms of the electorate being knformed, we're in a worse state than ever.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The long this election runs, the more the public can see the Mr Corbyn unfiltered by right-wing media (e.g. TV debates) and the more the Conservative Party fucks up . . .

Labour's starting point for this campaign was closer than its starting point in 2017.

The Conservative Party screwed that one up royally by getting in a mess about its policies, such as a social care.

We hear very very little about their policies this election.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the 5%"

What is wrong with being one of the 5%, are you against ambition?

Consider this connundrum. Lets assume someone living in London is one of the 5% but brings up 3 young daughters paying for their everyneed, the youngest having special needs. He has never asked for help or receives any. He is considered an enemy of the state by Corbyn even though he pays more paye than the average national wage.

A young couple both earning £40,000/ annum with no ambition but massively better off, will moan about the inequality of it all and how can one person earn so much.

Morons will point at the guy in the 5% and say he is gready and needs to pay more tax when all he is doing is looking after his family and will do whatever he has to do to acheive it.

Shows how detached people who just look at a number are from real life and resentful of those with ambition they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

One of the 5%

What is wrong with being one of the 5%, are you against ambition?

A young couple both earning £40,000/ annum with no ambition but massively better off, will moan about the inequality of it all and how can one person earn so much.

Morons will point at the guy in the 5% and say he is gready and needs to pay more tax when all he is doing is looking after his family and will do whatever he has to do to acheive it.

Shows how detached people who just look at a number are from real life and resentful of those with ambition they are."

Well let’s think, ambition is good, paying your fair share is good.

It’s laughable when a man turns around and says he never asks for help, thinking they are self made. Well him, his wife and kids have to go hospital and get treated and medicated for illnesses? For free?, does he take his rubbish to the dump by himself, does he educate his children also by himself? How about the streets? Did he build a road? Does he police the streets also?

If the man thinks he is self sufficient, he’s so stupid.

One more time from the top for the thickest in society “YOU PAY TAXES FOR SERVICES!” If no one paid their fair share then the services disappear. Which has happened consistently under the tories for 9 years.

If I ever earned 80K + I would be happy to pay my fair share, if because that me doing my civic duty.

And yes to that man you’re being a selfish cunt!

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The way I see this is Conservative ideology this past decade has squeezed the incomes of those at the lower end of the scale, while those at the higher end have been relieved of that burden through reductions in their tax bill.

The idea that it is time for them to take a bigger share of the burden is one that appeals to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the 5%

What is wrong with being one of the 5%, are you against ambition?

A young couple both earning £40,000/ annum with no ambition but massively better off, will moan about the inequality of it all and how can one person earn so much.

Morons will point at the guy in the 5% and say he is gready and needs to pay more tax when all he is doing is looking after his family and will do whatever he has to do to acheive it.

Shows how detached people who just look at a number are from real life and resentful of those with ambition they are.

Well let’s think, ambition is good, paying your fair share is good.

If the man thinks he is self sufficient, he’s so stupid.

If I ever earned 80K + I would be happy to pay my fair share, if because that me doing my civic duty.

And yes to that man you’re being a selfish cunt!

But the couple earning £40k/ annum aren't. Thank you for proving my point. Totally detached, also proves you take everything literally and doesn't understand 5he finer point of what not asking for help when bringing up 3 children 9n their own means. I think you have shown everyone who the cunt is, and it certainly isn't the well mannered and handsome hypothetical gentlemen.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

"I was talking about this with my son last night and he made the point “what does it matter what one person (Corbyn) wants in terms of remain or leave if he is going to put it to a referendum”.

-Matt

The first time Corbyn refused to say if he was for or against Brexit and was going to leave it to the people to decide I took that as his neutrality on the issue.

Why people found that so difficult to grasp is beyond me

Because until last night he had avoided answering. He had been giving the mantra of referendum, fairness and implementing what the people want every time he was asked it. It was only in the last minute of questioning he said he'd stay neutral.

It's no different to his criticism of May for the past 3yrs (in all it's forms), though it is worse as we do not know what the deal is going to be. Instead we are to take him for his word that - he will be granted an extension from the EU for 9 months, that he will fathom a deal, that it will not only be better than the present but it will pass through parliament given the division and the public will not be influenced one way or the other by his campaigning.

To stay neutral whilst campaigning, knowing you want to keep your job, knowing the economy depends on the outcome, knowing 1/2 the electorate wants to exit, knowing your unions want to stay, knowing MP's want to stay and leave, knowing your supporters are for and against you means political pressure will dictate he will get off the fence very quickly.

It is an impossible position to stay neutral which shouldn't need explaining, though I could be wrong as he's proven to dance on it very well in the past.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Impossible to stay neutral?

It's what Cameron should have done in 2016.

Recognised how toxic and divisive an issue it is, and risen above it, promising only to implement what people wanted and allowing everyone else to argue the toss.

He didn't, and he was toast.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"In fact they were an incredibly informed electorate.

That’s the reality, politicians cannot hide behind bluff and bluster like last time.

More people are questioning what is being said, who’s its being said by and their track record on issues in the past.

The electorate aren’t going to be taken for a ride like in 2015 and 2017.

I disagree. Just look, as am example, at this thread.

People are still believing the same lies, the same nonsence.

Brexit is good.

Labour are going to bankrupt the country.

Etc etc.

People still believe it, and aren't even interested in the facts any more. In terms of the electorate being knformed, we're in a worse state than ever."
there not facts mate there predictions and guesses lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the 5%

What is wrong with being one of the 5%, are you against ambition?

A young couple both earning £40,000/ annum with no ambition but massively better off, will moan about the inequality of it all and how can one person earn so much.

Morons will point at the guy in the 5% and say he is gready and needs to pay more tax when all he is doing is looking after his family and will do whatever he has to do to acheive it.

Shows how detached people who just look at a number are from real life and resentful of those with ambition they are.

Well let’s think, ambition is good, paying your fair share is good.

If the man thinks he is self sufficient, he’s so stupid.

If I ever earned 80K + I would be happy to pay my fair share, if because that me doing my civic duty.

And yes to that man you’re being a selfish cunt!

No....you’re definitely talking another language....probably best if you go and live the American dream....you’ll be appreciated more over there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole system is a joke !!!

Make them accountable!!! If they don’t deliver on at least a certain amount of what they promise within a certain time then take it back to another vote !!!

We have a huge gap for a new party that people can relate to and trust !!

Brexit party for you then

I quite like the idea of the people being able to force referendums on politicians, it turns out that Thatcher wanted a referendum on EU membership in the 80s but was forced off the issue by John major who later assumed power and pushed on with Maestricht between elections, nobody had a say on that.

To often I hear the same old line that people can't be trusted to vote on complicated matters, yet Switzerland manages just fine, they have referendums on practically everything, if you treat citizens as children don't be surprised when they throw the toys out of the pram.

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By *hMyGawdCouple over a year ago

Midlands

Corbyn will be out of a job, very soon. Thank god.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can he be 'neutral' when he's been going to Brussels meeting with any number of the five unelected EU presidents and Barnier, among others?

Sir Kier Starmer had already stated publicly on The Vine Show, that he'd deliver a Brexit that would favour the 48% remain vote.

So Labours main Brexit negotiator is anything but neutral.

Any Labour campaign would have to be approved by Jezza.

So how can he possibly remain neutral?

Neutral = cop out

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By *raxcoupleCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

Really! People trying and struggling to get by on the minimum wage, some working all hours to have some additional cash. At the expense of any family they may have.

Are these people undeserving of any quality of life?

I have to question who is detached from reality?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Corbyn will be out of a job, very soon. Thank god."

And if Bojo gets in we probably all will be too

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"The thing is do you want to go back to the 1970s or do you wish to move forward x"

There was electric cars in the 1970s?

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By *uietbloke67Man over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"The thing is do you want to go back to the 1970s or do you wish to move forward x"

Summers where longer, music was better and the world was a safer place..what's not to like

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can he be 'neutral' when he's been going to Brussels meeting with any number of the five unelected EU presidents and Barnier, among others?

Sir Kier Starmer had already stated publicly on The Vine Show, that he'd deliver a Brexit that would favour the 48% remain vote.

So Labours main Brexit negotiator is anything but neutral.

Any Labour campaign would have to be approved by Jezza.

So how can he possibly remain neutral?

Neutral = cop out

What version of Brexit did you vote for ? The Boris deal, No deal? Or the ‘amazing easy’ deal

we were promised ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The thing is do you want to go back to the 1970s or do you wish to move forward x"

Tbf, the 70s is forward from how things are right now!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can he be 'neutral' when he's been going to Brussels meeting with any number of the five unelected EU presidents and Barnier, among others?

Sir Kier Starmer had already stated publicly on The Vine Show, that he'd deliver a Brexit that would favour the 48% remain vote.

So Labours main Brexit negotiator is anything but neutral.

Any Labour campaign would have to be approved by Jezza.

So how can he possibly remain neutral?

Neutral = cop out

What version of Brexit did you vote for ? The Boris deal, No deal? Or the ‘amazing easy’ deal

we were promised ??"

Well fella, we researched it, after listening to both sides and decided that to vote leave was the best option.

Don't know why we bothered tbh.

Brexit was doomed from 24/06/16.

When you have 16+ million and both Westminster houses obstructing the political will of 17+ million, one champagne swilling Islington Socialist sitting on a fence isn't really going to make much difference or change now is it?

To give you an idea, YouTube Luke 'Ming' Flanagan MEP and TTIP also the Sinn Fein MEP video, neither connected to leave or remain in the UK, then Prez Obama and his appearance on YT in relation to the EU & TTIP.

Add to that, 5 unelected presidents, three if whom are or have been investigatef for Fraud, Tusk is the latest

EU Army

Lisbon Treaty

EuroGendFor deployed in both Paris & Catalonia

The multi million shuffle between Brussels and Strausberg that costs European taxpayers millions everytime it happens

Mass youth unemployment across the EU

I don't need any Westminster politico or party leader to influence me, I do my own research SBD then act accordingly.

Sorry to be a bore but you did ask.

And yes, my family is staunch, coalfield Labour, but even they're doubtful about saint Jeremy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can he be 'neutral' when he's been going to Brussels meeting with any number of the five unelected EU presidents and Barnier, among others?

Sir Kier Starmer had already stated publicly on The Vine Show, that he'd deliver a Brexit that would favour the 48% remain vote.

So Labours main Brexit negotiator is anything but neutral.

Any Labour campaign would have to be approved by Jezza.

So how can he possibly remain neutral?

Neutral = cop out

What version of Brexit did you vote for ? The Boris deal, No deal? Or the ‘amazing easy’ deal

we were promised ??

Well fella, we researched it, after listening to both sides and decided that to vote leave was the best option.

Don't know why we bothered tbh.

Brexit was doomed from 24/06/16.

Add to that, 5 unelected presidents, three if whom are or have been investigatef for Fraud, Tusk is the latest

EU Army

Lisbon Treaty

EuroGendFor deployed in both Paris & Catalonia

The multi million shuffle between Brussels and Strausberg that costs European taxpayers millions everytime it happens

Mass youth unemployment across the EU

I don't need any Westminster politico or party leader to influence me, I do my own research SBD then act accordingly.

Sorry to be a bore but you did ask.

And yes, my family is staunch, coalfield Labour, but even they're doubtful about saint Jeremy."

A very informative answer, you obviously did a lot of research , it is a shame most people didn’t follow your lead . I hate to be pedantic but which of the 3 leave options do you prefer and why?

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By *hechairman18Man over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

If, and it's a big IF.

IF Corbyn does become PM, he says, he will hold a Referendum, and accept the result, and the will of the people.

What will his Campaign message/strategy be?

Or, will he go into hibernation on his allotment.

Or, will he stay at home making Jam, till it's all over.

Only surfacing when the result is known.

We deserve to know.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

Always knew he was a yellow , cowardly clown . This just re inforces it

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"If, and it's a big IF.

IF Corbyn does become PM, he says, he will hold a Referendum, and accept the result, and the will of the people.

What will his Campaign message/strategy be?

Or, will he go into hibernation on his allotment.

Or, will he stay at home making Jam, till it's all over.

Only surfacing when the result is known.

We deserve to know.

When he loses he will go back to refusing to wear a red poppy to honour our war dead and instead wear his cowardly white poppy which he has for years

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If, and it's a big IF.

IF Corbyn does become PM, he says, he will hold a Referendum, and accept the result, and the will of the people.

What will his Campaign message/strategy be?

Or, will he go into hibernation on his allotment.

Or, will he stay at home making Jam, till it's all over.

Only surfacing when the result is known.

We deserve to know.

Its simple.

He will spend 3 months negotiating a deal with the EU, All the details of that deal will be released to the public, then a referendum on that deal or remain will be put back to the people.

Labour wont be campaigning for either and will stay neutral and let the people decide, which ever way it goes the very next day labour will implement the result.

JC does not need to campaign for leaving or remaining because which ever way this goes one half of the country will be pissed and better we have a PM that was neutral over boris who is die hard brexit or jo swindon die hard remain...there will be no bridging the country if either of those got in.

JC is taking the best and most commom sense stance on this, a second referendum is the only way this can move forward with the least civil unrest.

Brexit aside the labour manifesto is pretty good too.

Torys release theirs tomorrow so lets see how they compare.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

I voted labour 2017 on the commitment to up hold the referendum. My local mp has opposed every step of brexit.

Mr C now says second referendum he will honour the vote on either stay or leave on certain terms. That is not being neutral that is a loaded question a win win for remainers.

Sorry i will not vote labour again. Plaid cymru even worse than the lib dems. Tory no way so it will be the brexit party for me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

I voted labour 2017 on the commitment to up hold the referendum. My local mp has opposed every step of brexit.

Mr C now says second referendum he will honour the vote on either stay or leave on certain terms. That is not being neutral that is a loaded question a win win for remainers.

Sorry i will not vote labour again. Plaid cymru even worse than the lib dems. Tory no way so it will be the brexit party for me"

Well done mate....you obviously understand what democracy means

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

I voted labour 2017 on the commitment to up hold the referendum. My local mp has opposed every step of brexit.

Mr C now says second referendum he will honour the vote on either stay or leave on certain terms. That is not being neutral that is a loaded question a win win for remainers.

Sorry i will not vote labour again. Plaid cymru even worse than the lib dems. Tory no way so it will be the brexit party for me"

You should have said you were voting for the brexit party at the top of your post. Then we wouldn't have to have continued reading.

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By *hMyGawdCouple over a year ago

Midlands

It's exactly that dismissive attitude towards right wingers / Leavers that is causing such a surge in Tory support.

You won't be laughing after the election.

Labour are going to be crushed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

I voted labour 2017 on the commitment to up hold the referendum. My local mp has opposed every step of brexit.

Mr C now says second referendum he will honour the vote on either stay or leave on certain terms. That is not being neutral that is a loaded question a win win for remainers.

Sorry i will not vote labour again. Plaid cymru even worse than the lib dems. Tory no way so it will be the brexit party for me"

Well done mate....you obviously understand what democracy means

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's exactly that dismissive attitude towards right wingers / Leavers that is causing such a surge in Tory support.

You won't be laughing after the election.

Labour are going to be crushed."

I'm not a Labour voter/supporter.

I'm not predicting anything positive to come out of this election. So have no expectations that I will be laughing.

I disagree that a dismissive attitude is causing a surge of support for the Tories!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's exactly that dismissive attitude towards right wingers / Leavers that is causing such a surge in Tory support.

You won't be laughing after the election.

Labour are going to be crushed."

Really? More of this victimisation bullshit from the supporters of liars and cheats....

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By *hMyGawdCouple over a year ago

Midlands

Apologies Hitforsix I misread your tone. It's always hard to gauge these things over the net.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out"

Wait. This part makes no sense.

Unless you were involved in the industrial disputes, and we're fighting against workers rights?

Also the simple vote in/out. Sure. But did you not realise that there was a fuck load of stuff to sort out on order to leave? IE a deal, border with Ireland etc etc etc.

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By *hMyGawdCouple over a year ago

Midlands

MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views. "

People seem to be sneering on all sides.

Politics is a hard subject to get someone to change their mind on.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

Wait. This part makes no sense.

Unless you were involved in the industrial disputes, and we're fighting against workers rights?

Also the simple vote in/out. Sure. But did you not realise that there was a fuck load of stuff to sort out on order to leave? IE a deal, border with Ireland etc etc etc."

Been on strike a few times

Please dont suggest i am misguided i know many miners and steel workers who feel betrayed by labour.

I rank corbyn alongside kinnock as a traitor to the working class and their views

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

Wait. This part makes no sense.

Unless you were involved in the industrial disputes, and we're fighting against workers rights?

Also the simple vote in/out. Sure. But did you not realise that there was a fuck load of stuff to sort out on order to leave? IE a deal, border with Ireland etc etc etc.

Been on strike a few times

Please dont suggest i am misguided i know many miners and steel workers who feel betrayed by labour.

I rank corbyn alongside kinnock as a traitor to the working class and their views"

Then why did you vote leave? That makes no sense.

One of the main purposes of Brexit is to remove EU red tape in the form of workers rights.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I voted to leave because i had the right too

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I voted to leave because i had the right too

Tbh i only know 7 people who voted remain. 3 of then will now vote leave

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views.

People seem to be sneering on all sides.

Politics is a hard subject to get someone to change their mind on."
why do you want ppl to change there minds ? Do you not respect ppl who have a diffrent opinion to you ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I voted to leave because i had the right too

Tbh i only know 7 people who voted remain. 3 of then will now vote leave"

I think it's reasonable to ask why you voted us all into poverty, and for us all to lose freedom, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals.

If it was only leave voters who were effected, fair enough, but you've inflicted this onto the whole country, those who were too young to vote, those who didn't vote and those of us who voted remain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views.

People seem to be sneering on all sides.

Politics is a hard subject to get someone to change their mind on.why do you want ppl to change there minds ? Do you not respect ppl who have a diffrent opinion to you ?"

Because it's important. It's not only leave voters who will suffer from Brexit. It's all of us.

Differences of opinion and diversity of thought adds richness to the world. Brexit has nothing to do with opinion. It's quantifiably bad for everyone except for a select few.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

Wait. This part makes no sense.

Unless you were involved in the industrial disputes, and we're fighting against workers rights?

Also the simple vote in/out. Sure. But did you not realise that there was a fuck load of stuff to sort out on order to leave? IE a deal, border with Ireland etc etc etc.

Been on strike a few times

Please dont suggest i am misguided i know many miners and steel workers who feel betrayed by labour.

I rank corbyn alongside kinnock as a traitor to the working class and their views

Then why did you vote leave? That makes no sense.

One of the main purposes of Brexit is to remove EU red tape in the form of workers rights.

Can you name one that has been proposed tobe removed ?

Ooops I can its the right of people to work more than 48 Hrs IF they want to,guess who proposed it yes good old JC the defender od workers rights

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views.

People seem to be sneering on all sides.

Politics is a hard subject to get someone to change their mind on.why do you want ppl to change there minds ? Do you not respect ppl who have a diffrent opinion to you ?

Because it's important. It's not only leave voters who will suffer from Brexit. It's all of us.

Differences of opinion and diversity of thought adds richness to the world. Brexit has nothing to do with opinion. It's quantifiably bad for everyone except for a select few."
and that’s yr opinion it’s not a fact if a difference of opinion adds richness to the world enjoy living in a country were there opinions are allowed to be heard don’t moan 24-7 because there diffrent to yrs mate To steal a line from you It makes no sense

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I think it's reasonable to ask why you voted us all into poverty, and for us all to lose freedom, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals.

If it was only leave voters who were effected, fair enough, but you've inflicted this onto the whole country, those who were too young to vote, those who didn't vote and those of us who voted remain."

And staying in the EU is so perfect. In the valleys our kids cannot get council houses due to the movement of people. My daughter queued for hours only to be told sorry housing is allocated to eastern european stay with your parents

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

So i demand that if corbyn gets in we have a revote. Then another

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am a life long labour supporter. I have been involved with many industrial disputes over The years for workers rights.

I voted leave. On a simple vote in / out. No backstop no trade deal no border. In or out

Wait. This part makes no sense.

Unless you were involved in the industrial disputes, and we're fighting against workers rights?

Also the simple vote in/out. Sure. But did you not realise that there was a fuck load of stuff to sort out on order to leave? IE a deal, border with Ireland etc etc etc.

Been on strike a few times

Please dont suggest i am misguided i know many miners and steel workers who feel betrayed by labour.

I rank corbyn alongside kinnock as a traitor to the working class and their views

Then why did you vote leave? That makes no sense.

One of the main purposes of Brexit is to remove EU red tape in the form of workers rights.

Can you name one that has been proposed tobe removed ?

Ooops I can its the right of people to work more than 48 Hrs IF they want to,guess who proposed it yes good old JC the defender od workers rights

Honestly. I don't really understand the point.

"Removing red tape" was one of the points the leavers campaigned on.

Removing environmental protection and workers rights are the primary reason the likes of Aaron Banks and Tim Martin backed leave.

I mean, are you seriously suggesting that removing this kind of red tape isn't one of the primary reasons behind brexit?

It's not only about currency trading, tax avoidance, shitty trade deals with the US, and destabilising the UK and Russia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's reasonable to ask why you voted us all into poverty, and for us all to lose freedom, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals.

If it was only leave voters who were effected, fair enough, but you've inflicted this onto the whole country, those who were too young to vote, those who didn't vote and those of us who voted remain.

1. This is almost certainly bullshit.

2. How will brexit help?

3. What planet are you on?

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Is that tim martin from coldplay

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I think it's reasonable to ask why you voted us all into poverty, and for us all to lose freedom, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals.

If it was only leave voters who were effected, fair enough, but you've inflicted this onto the whole country, those who were too young to vote, those who didn't vote and those of us who voted remain.

1. This is almost certainly bullshit.

2. How will brexit help?

3. What planet are you on?"

1. No come to merthyr tydfil

2. As above

3. Reality

Lib dem i presume

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is that tim martin from coldplay"

I wouldn't know anyone in Coldplay. I would be too bored to get through five seconds of their "music", nevermind to know whose in the band.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"Is that tim martin from coldplay

I wouldn't know anyone in Coldplay. I would be too bored to get through five seconds of their "music", nevermind to know whose in the band."

Ahh now millions have seen them are they all misguided as well. Case proved i believe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's reasonable to ask why you voted us all into poverty, and for us all to lose freedom, purely for the benefit of a few rich individuals.

If it was only leave voters who were effected, fair enough, but you've inflicted this onto the whole country, those who were too young to vote, those who didn't vote and those of us who voted remain.

1. This is almost certainly bullshit.

2. How will brexit help?

3. What planet are you on?

1. No come to merthyr tydfil

2. As above

3. Reality

Lib dem i presume"

So how will being poorer and having less rights some how fix this problem?

And maybe think harder about why there is a housing problem in this country.

Is it.

A. Some pesky foreigners.

B. Tory, and before them Labour party policies that fail to address the issue in any meaningful way.

Answer as if you've never read the Daily Mail/Express/Sun.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is that tim martin from coldplay

I wouldn't know anyone in Coldplay. I would be too bored to get through five seconds of their "music", nevermind to know whose in the band.

Ahh now millions have seen them are they all misguided as well. Case proved i believe"

"People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can’t trust people” - Super Hans.

Of course. This is just a joke. Music is subjective, and people liking different music has no impact on anyone else.

Brexit on the other hand....

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

How do you know we will be poorer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How do you know we will be poorer."

We are already poorer. 600-800 million pounds a week poorer thanks to brexit.

Do you think having less money in the economy won't make us poorer, won't leave less money for housing, NHS, schools, roads, etc etc?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

One of the main purposes of Brexit is to remove EU red tape in the form of workers rights.

Can you name one that has been proposed tobe removed ?

Ooops I can its the right of people to work more than 48 Hrs IF they want to,guess who proposed it yes good old JC the defender od workers rights

Honestly. I don't really understand the point.

"Removing red tape" was one of the points the leavers campaigned on.

Removing environmental protection and workers rights are the primary reason the likes of Aaron Banks and Tim Martin backed leave.

I mean, are you seriously suggesting that removing this kind of red tape isn't one of the primary reasons behind brexit?

It's not only about currency trading, tax avoidance, shitty trade deals with the US, and destabilising the UK and Russia. "

So thats a no then ,you cant name one workers right or environmental standard that is going to be removed by the current government or even the brexit party and choose to ignore the one that has been proposed to be removed, heres anothe ruestio for you to ignore do you think anyone shoud be able to work the hours THEY want to,thats not being forcd to but choose to ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of the main purposes of Brexit is to remove EU red tape in the form of workers rights.

Can you name one that has been proposed tobe removed ?

Ooops I can its the right of people to work more than 48 Hrs IF they want to,guess who proposed it yes good old JC the defender od workers rights

Honestly. I don't really understand the point.

"Removing red tape" was one of the points the leavers campaigned on.

Removing environmental protection and workers rights are the primary reason the likes of Aaron Banks and Tim Martin backed leave.

I mean, are you seriously suggesting that removing this kind of red tape isn't one of the primary reasons behind brexit?

It's not only about currency trading, tax avoidance, shitty trade deals with the US, and destabilising the UK and Russia.

I'm dyslexic, so the typos make your post too difficult to read.

Why are you obsessed with the specific rights which will be removed? As far as I know, none have been specified thus far. And aside form you, I don't know anyone suggesting that this isn't one of the primary drivers behind brexit.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I bet u also belived the world would end at midnight 31 dec 1999. Trying to think of the name of it

Ohh shock horror we all survived

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I bet u also belived the world would end at midnight 31 dec 1999. Trying to think of the name of it

Ohh shock horror we all survived"

No, I fully understood the Y2K bug. And why it was a problem. And that a lot of people worked very hard to negate the issue.

I voted remain. Not leave.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Thats it y2k

You dont come across as a remainer tbh. Question then if remain had one and there was a constant public demand to leave would you agree to another vote.

Simple answer yes or no

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Won

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know "

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

But seeing as you ask. I work in the Higher and Further education sector. There has been a huge drop in foreign students who applied to join UK based learning institutions.l (80% drop in some cases). Foreign students pay a lot more for their courses than British students. This has a knock on effect that they have less money to spend.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Won

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats it y2k

You dont come across as a remainer tbh. Question then if remain had one and there was a constant public demand to leave would you agree to another vote.

Simple answer yes or no

No.

But I'm also not in favour of another referendum currently.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on. "

So self motivation to stay. Is there a block then for foreign students.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on.

So self motivation to stay. Is there a block then for foreign students. "

No block to foreign students specifically. Many of them chose not to come because they didn't want to start a course that they may not have been able to finish. That was based on their perception.

We all have self motivation to stay. Unless our last name is Rees Mogg and/or we don't want to pay taxes on our off shore companies.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

So more untrue statements then

Where do your students come from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So more untrue statements then

Where do your students come from"

What's untrue?

I don't have any students.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"So more untrue statements then

Where do your students come from

What's untrue?

I don't have any students. "

You said you work in the education sector and there has been a drop in foreign students

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on. "

Except for the FACT that international student numbers have increased since the vote,but hey why let the truth get in the way.

https://www.studying-in-uk.org/international-student-statistics-in-uk/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So more untrue statements then

Where do your students come from

What's untrue?

I don't have any students.

You said you work in the education sector and there has been a drop in foreign students "

Correct.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

So where do your students come from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where do your students come from"

I don't have any students. I'm not a teacher or lecturer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on.

Except for the FACT that international student numbers have increased since the vote,but hey why let the truth get in the way.

https://www.studying-in-uk.org/international-student-statistics-in-uk/"

I don't know what to tell you. This is different to information we have.

I wasn't expecting to see a report which shows an increase.

I will absolutely read this through.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I struggle to comprehend people who vote for millionaires to be able to run the country for billionaire. Can you really believe they have any interest in you.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"So where do your students come from

I don't have any students. I'm not a teacher or lecturer."

You quoted an 80% drop in overseas students that will close the company after brexit.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on. "
so they are projections then ? But you claim they are facts tho every day on here the fact is know one really knows as we haven’t left just like the projections by Osborn that half a million jobs will disappear if the day after the vote if we voted leave I have no problem woth yr posts it’s just when you state that they are facts stick with projections and predictions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

The company I work for is scaling back and will be closing down maybe 18 months after Brexit happens. At the moment were barely holding on. so they are projections then ? But you claim they are facts tho every day on here the fact is know one really knows as we haven’t left just like the projections by Osborn that half a million jobs will disappear if the day after the vote if we voted leave I have no problem woth yr posts it’s just when you state that they are facts stick with projections and predictions "

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I think your arguments have been blown out of the water.

I want a 3some with jo and nicola

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where do your students come from

I don't have any students. I'm not a teacher or lecturer.

You quoted an 80% drop in overseas students that will close the company after brexit."

No, 80 drop was in a specific college in Devon. As an example.

I've been pointed to some information which shows a net increase in foreign students. Especially form China. So I need to read that.

And the company I work for is winding down.

I'm trying to help. But I don't know what it is that you don't know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think your arguments have been blown out of the water.

I want a 3some with jo and nicola"

Whose arguments?

I mean, is anyone seriously suggesting that Brexit is a good idea? If so. Are there any examples of anything good to come out of Brexit?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

"
i know that mate I also know most off the polls by experts as in the referendum and last GE were wrong what I do know is that since we voted leave lots of politicians and experts have done everything to screw the vote over I respect democracy so want us to leave but the difference between me and you is I’m not on here trying to change ppls minds who voted remain I em respect there opinion we’re as you do a bit of slashing off leavers you do it in a backhanded way you have now turned into the grammar police just grow some balls call leavers thick cunts and racists because that’s what I think you really think but that’s just my opinion what do I know about anything I’m a leaver voter lol

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"So where do your students come from

I don't have any students. I'm not a teacher or lecturer.

You quoted an 80% drop in overseas students that will close the company after brexit.

No, 80 drop was in a specific college in Devon. As an example.

I've been pointed to some information which shows a net increase in foreign students. Especially form China. So I need to read that.

And the company I work for is winding down.

I'm trying to help. But I don't know what it is that you don't know."

China is not in the EU

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Lets have a leave only orgy

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I think your arguments have been blown out of the water.

I want a 3some with jo and nicola"
I’ll be haveing a 3some in a few hrs if I have the strengh iv burnt me self out on here trying to type woth out making a spelling mistake done want to offend some one lol

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

On my way lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

i know that mate I also know most off the polls by experts as in the referendum and last GE were wrong what I do know is that since we voted leave lots of politicians and experts have done everything to screw the vote over I respect democracy so want us to leave but the difference between me and you is I’m not on here trying to change ppls minds who voted remain I em respect there opinion we’re as you do a bit of slashing off leavers you do it in a backhanded way you have now turned into the grammar police just grow some balls call leavers thick cunts and racists because that’s what I think you really think but that’s just my opinion what do I know about anything I’m a leaver voter lol"

What?

The only person on these forums who I've seen refer to leavers as "racists" or "thick cunts" is you.

I don't know where this chip on your shoulder comes from, but it's nothing to do with me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where do your students come from

I don't have any students. I'm not a teacher or lecturer.

You quoted an 80% drop in overseas students that will close the company after brexit.

No, 80 drop was in a specific college in Devon. As an example.

I've been pointed to some information which shows a net increase in foreign students. Especially form China. So I need to read that.

And the company I work for is winding down.

I'm trying to help. But I don't know what it is that you don't know.

China is not in the EU"

A+ in geography.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Who is attacking anyone. You dont like the replys you are getting thats up to you

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

What?

The only person on these forums who I've seen refer to leavers as "racists" or "thick cunts" is you.

I don't know where this chip on your shoulder comes from, but it's nothing to do with me.

And you can try to attack people who want a positive change in society. People who speak out against all the bullshit, all you want. But people have the right to speak up, and not just settle for the shit sandwich we are fed."
is me lol I’m a leaver been called racist traitor thick northerner many times on here it boils my piss because it waters racism down in my opinion I agree with you there ppl do have the right to speak up even the ppl who don’t share yr opinions right ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

What?

The only person on these forums who I've seen refer to leavers as "racists" or "thick cunts" is you.

I don't know where this chip on your shoulder comes from, but it's nothing to do with me.

And you can try to attack people who want a positive change in society. People who speak out against all the bullshit, all you want. But people have the right to speak up, and not just settle for the shit sandwich we are fed. is me lol I’m a leaver been called racist traitor thick northerner many times on here it boils my piss because it waters racism down in my opinion I agree with you there ppl do have the right to speak up even the ppl who don’t share yr opinions right ?"

Yeah of course.

All you do though when you reply to my posts is attack me and try to put words in my mouth.

I continually question brexit because, so far, no one in the media or political sphere has managed to suggest any upside to the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"MrJones - Supporting Leave / Brexit Party / Tories is a legitimate political view. So many sneering, dismissive comments do nothing but entrench people further to these views. "

Judging by the general tone of your posts in this and other threads I think you have made enough similar derisory statements and to be honest I doubt anything I say will ever change or modify your entrenched views and the only thing I can point out is that Boris is a serial liar and cheat and therefore I rest my case m’lud

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think your arguments have been blown out of the water.

I want a 3some with jo and nicola"

Jo, yes. Nicola, no way. How about a MMF with Jo? I reckon she'd be up for it

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

What?

The only person on these forums who I've seen refer to leavers as "racists" or "thick cunts" is you.

I don't know where this chip on your shoulder comes from, but it's nothing to do with me.

And you can try to attack people who want a positive change in society. People who speak out against all the bullshit, all you want. But people have the right to speak up, and not just settle for the shit sandwich we are fed. is me lol I’m a leaver been called racist traitor thick northerner many times on here it boils my piss because it waters racism down in my opinion I agree with you there ppl do have the right to speak up even the ppl who don’t share yr opinions right ?

Yeah of course.

All you do though when you reply to my posts is attack me and try to put words in my mouth.

I continually question brexit because, so far, no one in the media or political sphere has managed to suggest any upside to the UK."
i don’t attract you iv pulled you for sneering at ppl for there spelling and grammar I think it’s petty and a way of thinking yr better than someone that’s all if you didn’t do it I’d have nothing to say on the matter would I ? It’s just a bullshit site full of plastic politians and experts mate don’t take it personally it’s sat nite party time lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll ask you a question seems you love to ask them how are you going to be poorer you say this every day can you pls tell us I’m sure there’s plenty on fab that would like to know

We're all going to be poorer. Just look at the projections. And look at the impact that we are currently feeling on the economy from brexit.

Just because one projection wasn't right. Doesn't mean they're all wrong.

Besides. If all projections are negative. What makes you think there will be some kind of positive outcome?

What?

The only person on these forums who I've seen refer to leavers as "racists" or "thick cunts" is you.

I don't know where this chip on your shoulder comes from, but it's nothing to do with me.

And you can try to attack people who want a positive change in society. People who speak out against all the bullshit, all you want. But people have the right to speak up, and not just settle for the shit sandwich we are fed. is me lol I’m a leaver been called racist traitor thick northerner many times on here it boils my piss because it waters racism down in my opinion I agree with you there ppl do have the right to speak up even the ppl who don’t share yr opinions right ?

Yeah of course.

All you do though when you reply to my posts is attack me and try to put words in my mouth.

I continually question brexit because, so far, no one in the media or political sphere has managed to suggest any upside to the UK.i don’t attract you iv pulled you for sneering at ppl for there spelling and grammar I think it’s petty and a way of thinking yr better than someone that’s all if you didn’t do it I’d have nothing to say on the matter would I ? It’s just a bullshit site full of plastic politians and experts mate don’t take it personally it’s sat nite party time lol"

When did I do that?

There was no sneering. I genuinely struggle when there is no punctuation, multiple typos as I am dyslexic.

Feel free to attack me for that too. All you do is have a go at me, and then try to put yourself as the victim suggesting that I secretly want to call you "thick" or "racist". It's nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who is attacking anyone. You dont like the replys you are getting thats up to you"

So to bring the conversation back to the topic, I have a couple of questions for you. How has membership of the EU damaged your life? The reason I ask that is because the EU invested huge amounts of money in developing Wales and I am intrigued that so many Welsh people just don’t acknowledge that. Secondly if it is true about the council houses going to the EU citizens before your daughter didnt you think to take it up with your mp and mep because if it was council policy there would have to be a policy document to justify it. Perhaps your daughters need wasnt as great as the others or maybe somebody wasn’t telling the truth. If you cant get a council house then maybe its not the immigrants fault, maybe it’s the fault of the cunts who sold them all off and then stopped building any new ones?

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

And i hate the eurovision song contest.

What is done is done except it.

Yes wales has had huge investment over the years. Paid for by whom. With the expansion of the EU there money now goes east. Do they contribute as much.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And i hate the eurovision song contest.

What is done is done except it.

Yes wales has had huge investment over the years. Paid for by whom. With the expansion of the EU there money now goes east. Do they contribute as much."

Why should we accept a shittier future?

If I stole money from your pocket, would you have the same attitude? It's done, accept it.

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By *asillaCouple over a year ago

North West

I originally voted leave but after learning the facts I would now vote remain. The PM should put his deal back to the people as nobody except the Government have had any input. It was their way only. The people should have the confirmation vote or stay choice on his deal. In a true Democracy people should be able to vote as they seem fit , in safety yet BJ sacks 21 of his MPS for putting country before his bad deal.Imagine a boss, in any other company, sacking his employees because they don't agree with him...Shameful & a stain on everyone who has fought & died in wars under the Democracy flag. Just my view folks..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Moderate, Uhhhhhh ???

Moderate ???

This is not moderation, this is revolution. This is Wolfy smith "power to the people" revolution.

Good luck there with that one. That was a sit com in the 70s and this manifesto is like a script from it."

Lol remember that program and previous labour governments. Take from the rich give to the poor same old reteric. The only difference they'll be taking from the small and medium size businesses, the backbone of this country. And cripple the economy many small business will fold due to the taxing them. More on drain on the state labour have always been good a big promises but very poor on delivery hey ho.

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Another thing that boils my blood. I work and pay taxes due to EU freedom of movement i sit in my dentist and listen to people demanding FREE treatment and getting it.

How many EU nationals take a UK driving test within a year of coming here. How many cars have they got insured

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When you have 16+ million and both Westminster houses obstructing the political will of 17+ million, "

How the hell do you work that nugget of shite out

I'm one of the 16+ million, so are a lot of my friends and family, how have any of us obstructed the political will of the 17+ million?

I'd love to know what we've done

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another thing that boils my blood. I work and pay taxes due to EU freedom of movement i sit in my dentist and listen to people demanding FREE treatment and getting it.

How many EU nationals take a UK driving test within a year of coming here. How many cars have they got insured"

So your blood boils because you're confused about car insurance and because someone went to the dentist?

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

If you read my post you will understand

NHS DENTIST i pay for treatment. Whilst awaiting treatment europeans who do not work pay a penny into society. Use our social funds to claim everything and demand free dental treatment.

Driving any driver must take a uk driving test if they stay in the uk for a year. I drive for a living i own a car which i tax and insure. How many " visitors " are insured

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

I dont have a problem with western europeans settling and working in the UK. My issue is the old eastern block countries absorbed into the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No

If you read my post you will understand

NHS DENTIST i pay for treatment. Whilst awaiting treatment europeans who do not work pay a penny into society. Use our social funds to claim everything and demand free dental treatment.

Driving any driver must take a uk driving test if they stay in the uk for a year. I drive for a living i own a car which i tax and insure. How many " visitors " are insured"

Ah ha.

So you had a conversation with the non British person about his/her employment status in the dentist's while getting angry?

And as for the car part. Are you calling non-british people visitors, and suggesting that they don't insure their vehicles?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont have a problem with western europeans settling and working in the UK. My issue is the old eastern block countries absorbed into the EU. "

What don't you like about Eastern Europeans?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Corbyns neutrality over brexit is a sign of a weak leader to me ........He’d liked to say he doesn’t want brexit but knows he will lose all the labour voters who voted to leave .........The way he panders to the student ...ban the bombers....anti English voters is pathetic......I’m a life long labour voter who voted to leave .......Why don’t labour seem to think we don’t count anymore?????

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

"I dont have a problem with western europeans settling and working in the UK. My issue is the old eastern block countries absorbed into the EU.

What don't you like about Eastern Europeans?

Nothing if they work and pay their way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont have a problem with western europeans settling and working in the UK. My issue is the old eastern block countries absorbed into the EU.

What don't you like about Eastern Europeans?

Nothing if they work and pay their way"

Then why did you say you had an issue with them?

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By *tsallaroundMan over a year ago

merthyr

Are you actually reading my replies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Corbyns neutrality over brexit is a sign of a weak leader to me ........He’d liked to say he doesn’t want brexit but knows he will lose all the labour voters who voted to leave .........The way he panders to the student ...ban the bombers....anti English voters is pathetic......I’m a life long labour voter who voted to leave .......Why don’t labour seem to think we don’t count anymore?????"

Corbyn wants Brexit more than Boris, he won't be able to persue his marxist and nationalisation policies under EU law. Remember he is a Benn acolyte from the era when the labour party vehemently

opposed joining the EU in the first place. It's his party that don't want Brexit and he is just trying to placate them cos he doesn't want a leadership challenge against him. His ideal scenario is boris gets us to leave with no deal and he wins election and can blame everything on conservatives and Boris and set himself up as saviour

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"It's exactly that dismissive attitude towards right wingers / Leavers that is causing such a surge in Tory support.

You won't be laughing after the election.

Labour are going to be crushed."

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?"

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing.

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing."
. The brexit policy of the Tories has been so well thought out that they are on their 3rd leader since the referendum and it is the current leader's votes in parliament against his own parties deal that means we are still in the EU , with the current plan to place a border between the UK and the UK . although it might not be because the brexit secretary said there would be no checks then said there would and the prime minister who agreed to checks in the deal told businesses in northern Ireland to put the paperwork in the bin ,,so brexit means brexit , unless it doesn't , well it might do , I think it does or perhaps it doesn't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you actually reading my replies"

Yes. And you're not being clear.

So I'm trying to figure out why you don't like Eastern Europeans. Something to do with car insurance and dentist appointments?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you actually reading my replies

Yes. And you're not being clear.

So I'm trying to figure out why you don't like Eastern Europeans. Something to do with car insurance and dentist appointments?"

I have a friend who comes from an Eastern Block country who flies back to his home country for dental work because it is cheaper, quicker and the standard of dental care is higher.

The net profit from taxes is statistically higher than benefit costs despite what the local rag is telling you.

And there is a demographic in this country who are not even foreigners who are a law unto themselves.

So now it's winter and the leaves have fallen look to the side of the road and see all the plastic thrown out of car windows. Who threw that? Foreigners? We all love our country so much but treat it like a giant dustbin.

Who are ww going to blame for all our problems when the "visitors" have gone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you’ll find it’s just a bit windy in Wales!

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing."

Yes, to put the terms of exit to the people in a legally-binding referendum.

That is easier to understand than a Tory leader who backed Remain, then backed Leave, twice voted to stop the UK leaving the EU and twice voted for it.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing.

Yes, to put the terms of exit to the people in a legally-binding referendum.

That is easier to understand than a Tory leader who backed Remain, then backed Leave, twice voted to stop the UK leaving the EU and twice voted for it.

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

If the electorate knew what kind of Breixt deal they would get, they would know whether they were going to get a credible leave option as opposed to two near remain options.

I am not in favour of the Tory's, though Labour have put nothing forward of any worth throughout their term in opposition.

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing.

Yes, to put the terms of exit to the people in a legally-binding referendum.

That is easier to understand than a Tory leader who backed Remain, then backed Leave, twice voted to stop the UK leaving the EU and twice voted for it.

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

If the electorate knew what kind of Breixt deal they would get, they would know whether they were going to get a credible leave option as opposed to two near remain options.

I am not in favour of the Tory's, though Labour have put nothing forward of any worth throughout their term in opposition.

Because it's not been their job to do so. The government of the day puts forward policy, the opposition holds it to scrutiny.

Now there is an election, they have told the electorate their position.

Quite straight forward really.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"It really says something about labour when their latest brexit policy is to have no Brexit policy. WTF ?

They have a clear Brexit policy. The idea it's hard to understand is just a lie sold by the right wing.

Yes, to put the terms of exit to the people in a legally-binding referendum.

That is easier to understand than a Tory leader who backed Remain, then backed Leave, twice voted to stop the UK leaving the EU and twice voted for it.

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

If the electorate knew what kind of Breixt deal they would get, they would know whether they were going to get a credible leave option as opposed to two near remain options.

I am not in favour of the Tory's, though Labour have put nothing forward of any worth throughout their term in opposition."

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

The policy is to agree with the EU an exit plan that takes the UK into a customs union, and to invite the public to ratify it in a legally-binding referendum.

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By *oodmessMan over a year ago

yumsville

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

The policy is to agree with the EU an exit plan that takes the UK into a customs union, and to invite the public to ratify it in a legally-binding referendum.

Ahh p90 of the manifesto, you didn't mention "close alignment with the single market" also?

Two things that Brexit voters wanted out of?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Ahh p90 of the manifesto, you didn't mention "close alignment with the single market" also?

Two things that Brexit voters wanted out of?

Simply because I have not read the manifesto.

Funny thing is, I have never met anyone who said they voted Leave because they disliked Association Agreements, Stabilisation Agreements, (Deep and Comprehensive) Free Trade Agreements and Economic Partnership Agreements, Partnership and Cooperation Agreements or Customs Unions.

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

They don't have a Brexit policy though. It's why they have have hung the Tory's with Brexit for the last three years and why they have now, not set out a policy outlining it.

The policy is to agree with the EU an exit plan that takes the UK into a customs union, and to invite the public to ratify it in a legally-binding referendum.

Ahh p90 of the manifesto, you didn't mention "close alignment with the single market" also?

Two things that Brexit voters wanted out of?

All leave voters wanted that did they, you can verify that for me?

I know of two personally that wanted exactly that.

... And there's the crux of the whole problem. Everyone deciding what everyone else wanted...

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By *illybare partyMan over a year ago

norh east

"weve had a referendum leave are you all fucking stupid

Ladies and gentleman.

This is currently the best of the best of leave arguments."

Think of it of football terms. We're going to VAR

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

But I do recall Vote Leave saying the idea the UK would not be part of the free trade area that stretches from Iceland to the border with Russia was "ridiculous".