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The Johnson/Corbyn debate
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"Jc is always shit on stage" This is amazing. You 100% proved the poster above right. In general I agree that these debates are pointless. The only way I would consider voting Tory is if they completely changed their egos as a party. And switched from representing banks, the ultra rich and themselves, to a party who represented the interests of the people. And to be honest, even if Johnson said that's where his party was going. I would assume he is lying. I don't vote Labour except in the instance to keep the Tories out. So not much that JC would say, could change that. But it is possible. | |||
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"It’s going to be so bad it’ll be good... "I agree and that's the reason I'll probably watch it  | |||
"When is the debate on, time? channel? I’ll probably watch it, " 8:00pm (20:00hr) on ITV | |||
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"Corbyn got his glasses on. He means business. Got a right old squint on." He’s doing his Michael Caine look. But not a lot of people know that. | |||
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"Corbyn swerving that question. I do wish he would nail his colours to the mast. " yeah hes on the backfoot at the mo.Still no clarity. | |||
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"Losing at home to Kazakhstan isn't enough to persuade me to change channels "Ouch ... | |||
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"Corbyn just did that nervous swallow when they dropped the anti Semitic bomb. " But nothing but a scripted diversion on the Islamophobia pledge made during the leaders debate in July? | |||
"Corbyn just did that nervous swallow when they dropped the anti Semitic bomb. But nothing but a scripted diversion on the Islamophobia pledge made during the leaders debate in July?" Sorry mate I’m not asking the questions. | |||
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"Corbyn going in!!! " Balls deep.. | |||
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"Boris wants to talk about Brexit all night not the NHS ... " of course he does bob because its his strongest suit. | |||
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"I’m on money forest here. Had to let the dog out. " Yep that was a win. | |||
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"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story.. "Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway. If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations". | |||
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"Tried to get Boris to say Trump then. "  | |||
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"Mr Corbyn's lopsided spectacles. Deliberate or incompetence?" Deliberate for sure... A touch of Michael caine | |||
"Mr Corbyn's lopsided spectacles. Deliberate or incompetence?" He'll straighten the Economy. He'll straighten Education. He'll straighten the NHS. He'll straighten Defense. He'll straighten Brexit. But by fuck, He can't even straighten his specs. | |||
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"What was the catch phrase? Brexit for easier tax avoidance for me and my chums! By any chance? Seriously though, what was it?" "Get brexit done". Johnson said it over and over until the audience were sick of him saying it. | |||
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"Corbyn just embarrassed Johnson there." he embarrassed himself refusing to answer how he would vote 4times just waching the greens on ITV they want to spend 100 billion a yr for ten yrs on climate change wtf | |||
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"Corbyn wants to take us back to the 70s nationalisation rolling blackouts and strikes. Boris is looking to the future x" You didn't notice, but you do sound like an advert from the 70's. Boris is a walking farce only looking after his pockets  | |||
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"Corbyn just did that nervous swallow when they dropped the anti Semitic bomb. " No actually, he didn't. | |||
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"Monarchy question Corbyn win... "I don't think so. Johnson could have got away with that answer but from Corbyn it just fuels the idea that's he's not really a true patriot. | |||
"Corbyn wants to take us back to the 70s nationalisation rolling blackouts and strikes. Boris is looking to the future x" Is he? It's Johnson who wants to take us back to where we were in 1959 before we joined EFTA. That's doesn't feel like looking to the future to me. | |||
"Mr Corbyn's lopsided spectacles. Deliberate or incompetence?" Not a good look in my opinion so I'm going to go with incompetent. | |||
"Johnson tried to make everything about Brexit. Obviously trying to ram his nonsensical catchphrase home. Ironically, a bit of an own goal. He trotted out the catchphrase so often that the audience started groaning whenever they heard it. Corbyn's main issue was not picking a side he'd campaign on for his deal v remain. Then again, the whole point of his position is that he won't pick a side. He'll present options and let the public pick the result they want. But he needs a better way of communicating that fact. Lots of people think he's just being wishy washy. And the tories use that to keep sniping away at him. " People think it's wishy washy because it is wishy washy. He was accused of being wishy washy in his support of Remain during the referendum campaign and, apart from a brief period just after the result when he seemed to be pretty enthusiastic for some sort of BREXIT, he's been pretty wishy washy about since too. | |||
"Ha it went pretty much as expected and although I agree Corbyn could have got his glasses straightened for the occasion he still came across as a lot more sincere and honest then Bojo Bunter - I mean, honestly, didn’t Boris realise saying the same thing over and over again only works if you are Trump? It just made him look insincere to the audience and as time went by he actually looked a bit rattled. Perhaps it was all the “your times up Mr Johnson” from Julie Etchingham that were getting to him. "Seriously, you don't have to be a Corbyn fan, or even like him, or be ready to vote for him; to believe that he has more integrity than Johnson. In fact, rather sadly, I reckon there are a lot of people who will be voting for Johnson who think Corbyn has more integrity. The problem is integrity, like sincerity, only works in your favour if you're actually saying what people want to hear and, if you are, that you will have the ability to deliver. | |||
"Corbyn probably lost a shed load of votes to the Brexit Party and Lib Dems not answering yes or no to if he would back any deal he may or may not get from the EU. Johnson went back to Brexit too often and his advisors will iron that one out. Not surprisingly Corbyn just came across as an angry protester incapable of making decisions for himself. Johnson came across far more statesman like and even answered questions more positively and directly. Never been a great one for Johnson as PM but he showed signs of being up to the job. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Labour had a decent leader and clear leave or remain stance on Brexit they would walk the election, with Corbyn they have a small chance only as part of a coalition with SNP." Personally I felt Corbyn did address the questions asked while Johnson just kept falling back on "Get BREXIT done". Johnson definitely has a better delivery than Corbyn which does make him sound more statesman like when he delivers his responses while Corbyn often sounds unsure or confused to me and, when he does try to sound passionate about something, often sounds more like he's angry or annoyed. On this occasion I actually put Corbyn slightly ahead of Johnson but not by much. Pretty much a draw. I do agree with your general comment that if Labour had a different leader and/or a clear policy of either Leave or Remain on BREXIT they would probably be doing much better in this campaign. | |||
"Corbyn probably lost a shed load of votes to the Brexit Party and Lib Dems not answering yes or no to if he would back any deal he may or may not get from the EU. Johnson went back to Brexit too often and his advisors will iron that one out. Not surprisingly Corbyn just came across as an angry protester incapable of making decisions for himself. Johnson came across far more statesman like and even answered questions more positively and directly. Never been a great one for Johnson as PM but he showed signs of being up to the job. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Labour had a decent leader and clear leave or remain stance on Brexit they would walk the election, with Corbyn they have a small chance only as part of a coalition with SNP." Were you watching the same debate as me? Bojo came across as the bloviating chancer that we all know he is. The fat fuckwit is as much of a statesman as Trump is (ie not at all) | |||
"Corbyn probably lost a shed load of votes to the Brexit Party and Lib Dems not answering yes or no to if he would back any deal he may or may not get from the EU. Johnson went back to Brexit too often and his advisors will iron that one out. Not surprisingly Corbyn just came across as an angry protester incapable of making decisions for himself. Johnson came across far more statesman like and even answered questions more positively and directly. Never been a great one for Johnson as PM but he showed signs of being up to the job. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Labour had a decent leader and clear leave or remain stance on Brexit they would walk the election, with Corbyn they have a small chance only as part of a coalition with SNP. Were you watching the same debate as me? Bojo came across as the bloviating chancer that we all know he is. The fat fuckwit is as much of a statesman as Trump is (ie not at all)" I agree with the sentiment behind your description of Johnson. Unfortunately I don't agree that that is the way he mostly came across during the debate. In presentation terms, apart from his over use of "get BREXIT done" he came across quite well, whilst Corbyn seemed somewhat dishevelled (crooked classes, seriously). Corbyn did land a few punches, especially the bit about 40 new hospitals actually only being 6 refurbishment, but no knock out blow and Johnson got the differing, indecisive Labour BREXIT punch in quite well. As Corbyn is behind he needed a good win tonight to catch up but what he got was a draw. If Labour are going to stand any chance of winning this election, or even just stopping the Tories from winning, he needs to seriously up his game. | |||
Yesterday was a win for JC for me but the challenges they both face during the campaign and debate schedule when the other party leaders are present will tell me more  | |||
" People think it's wishy washy because it is wishy washy. He was accused of being wishy washy in his support of Remain during the referendum campaign and, apart from a brief period just after the result when he seemed to be pretty enthusiastic for some sort of BREXIT, he's been pretty wishy washy about since too. " The criticism would be justified if the vote had been 92% to leave. On a vote of 52%, it's an unwise politician who climbs on the horse called bravado and seeks to accentuate the division rather than heal it. | |||
" People think it's wishy washy because it is wishy washy. He was accused of being wishy washy in his support of Remain during the referendum campaign and, apart from a brief period just after the result when he seemed to be pretty enthusiastic for some sort of BREXIT, he's been pretty wishy washy about since too. The criticism would be justified if the vote had been 92% to leave. On a vote of 52%, it's an unwise politician who climbs on the horse called bravado and seeks to accentuate the division rather than heal it. " That maybe true but to look like a leader one needs to lead and being unclear, however it's painted, simply doesn't look like leadership. | |||
"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations"."The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too. Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown. | |||
"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations".
The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too.
Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown.
"Boris Johnson said Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister without a general election was a “scandal” and “nothing less than a palace coup” Just sayin... | |||
" People think it's wishy washy because it is wishy washy. He was accused of being wishy washy in his support of Remain during the referendum campaign and, apart from a brief period just after the result when he seemed to be pretty enthusiastic for some sort of BREXIT, he's been pretty wishy washy about since too. The criticism would be justified if the vote had been 92% to leave. On a vote of 52%, it's an unwise politician who climbs on the horse called bravado and seeks to accentuate the division rather than heal it. That maybe true but to look like a leader one needs to lead and being unclear, however it's painted, simply doesn't look like leadership. " I agree. Corbyn is more like the chair of a committee, trying to finding consensus around a table. It's a good quality - but when it comes to appealing for the popular vote to become a Prime Minister, people tend to look for charisma and communication skill, rather than finer technique. | |||
"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations".
The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too.
Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown.
"Christ alive....cliche after cliche has been all that Brexit has been about since the whole sorry mess began. Boris doesnt deserve to be PM but then which of the current crop of Tories do? The sensible ones have been driven out and whats left is frankly a very poor and depressing selection  | |||
"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations".
The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too.
Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown.
Boris Johnson said Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister without a general election was a “scandal” and “nothing less than a palace coup”
Just sayin... "That's how politics works. Vote for a party and whoever's the top banana gets the PM job. | |||
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"Yes, Get Brexit Done? They've had three years and more to get Brexit done, and made a complete mess of it. " Because too many of them don't want to deliver what the electorate voted for. If they put aside their idiocy and all got on with it we'd be out with a deal. Done. | |||
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"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations".
The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too.
Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown.
"shhhhhh your not allowed to say that labour supporters on here will tell you brown and blair wernt real labour | |||
"Corbyn going for the feels ...Boris not so convincing .His eyes tell a different story..
Boris is a proven deceiver and was never voted as PM.anyway.
If he does win this election.. sanity has truely left the "Family of nations".
The "Boris wasn't voted in as PM" is such a tired cliche. It was used for May too.
Funny how Labour supporters forget about Gordon Brown.
shhhhhh your not allowed to say that labour supporters on here will tell you brown and blair wernt real labour "Well, in fairness...... | |||
"Yes, Get Brexit Done? They've had three years and more to get Brexit done, and made a complete mess of it. Because too many of them don't want to deliver what the electorate voted for. If they put aside their idiocy and all got on with it we'd be out with a deal. Done." . Might be worth remembering at this point that it was people like Johnson who voted against Mays original deal that caused three years of dither and delay ,although in fairness to him he did vote for the deal after voting against it twice and then wanting another deal | |||
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"No it wont, but it was fun when they asked boris if they could trust him, he said yes and the whole audience laughed lol. " Some laughed, not the whole audience. | |||
"No it wont, but it was fun when they asked boris if they could trust him, he said yes and the whole audience laughed lol. " Moments like that get remembered and can be very damaging.At the same time the conservatives on Twitter became “Fake news” It doesn’t look good .The media are still running with it tonight. | |||
"Corbyn probably lost a shed load of votes to the Brexit Party and Lib Dems not answering yes or no to if he would back any deal he may or may not get from the EU. Johnson went back to Brexit too often and his advisors will iron that one out. Not surprisingly Corbyn just came across as an angry protester incapable of making decisions for himself. Johnson came across far more statesman like and even answered questions more positively and directly. Never been a great one for Johnson as PM but he showed signs of being up to the job. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Labour had a decent leader and clear leave or remain stance on Brexit they would walk the election, with Corbyn they have a small chance only as part of a coalition with SNP. Personally I felt Corbyn did address the questions asked while Johnson just kept falling back on "Get BREXIT done". Johnson definitely has a better delivery than Corbyn which does make him sound more statesman like when he delivers his responses while Corbyn often sounds unsure or confused to me and, when he does try to sound passionate about something, often sounds more like he's angry or annoyed. On this occasion I actually put Corbyn slightly ahead of Johnson but not by much. Pretty much a draw. I do agree with your general comment that if Labour had a different leader and/or a clear policy of either Leave or Remain on BREXIT they would probably be doing much better in this campaign. " Well thought out and considered response, thank you. | |||
"Yes, Get Brexit Done? They've had three years and more to get Brexit done, and made a complete mess of it. " I don't understand Johnson's argument. This is an election for our next 5 years of government not a second referendum. Considering that the EU won't give us another extension people voting for Johnson just to get Brexit done are voting for the wrong reasons. It's like buying an entire car just to get new spark plugs. | |||
"No it wont, but it was fun when they asked boris if they could trust him, he said yes and the whole audience laughed lol. Moments like that get remembered and can be very damaging.At the same time the conservatives on Twitter became “Fake news” It doesn’t look good .The media are still running with it tonight. "That is right it doesnt look good for them  | |||
"No it wont, but it was fun when they asked boris if they could trust him, he said yes and the whole audience laughed lol. Moments like that get remembered and can be very damaging.At the same time the conservatives on Twitter became “Fake news” It doesn’t look good .The media are still running with it tonight. "they laughed when it was said the tories have a money tree but labour must have two then bj said it’s more like a forest that was the best line of the night for me lol | |||
"No it wont, but it was fun when they asked boris if they could trust him, he said yes and the whole audience laughed lol. Moments like that get remembered and can be very damaging.At the same time the conservatives on Twitter became “Fake news” It doesn’t look good .The media are still running with it tonight. ". Between here Twitter and blogs your days most be end to end work work work. You wanna give it up for a month, you'll be better off after a detox | |||
