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Do the Majority of the public realise so few votes count ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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As a supporter of PR or percentage voting . I’m becoming more and more convinced that a huge portion of the voting public just don’t realise that so many votes just don’t count for anything under our first past the post system !
Your thoughts ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a supporter of PR or percentage voting . I’m becoming more and more convinced that a huge portion of the voting public just don’t realise that so many votes just don’t count for anything under our first past the post system !
Your thoughts !"
Haven't you posted this thread several times already? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As a supporter of PR or percentage voting . I’m becoming more and more convinced that a huge portion of the voting public just don’t realise that so many votes just don’t count for anything under our first past the post system !
Your thoughts !
Haven't you posted this thread several times already?"
Yes i have probbally posted similar ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a supporter of PR or percentage voting . I’m becoming more and more convinced that a huge portion of the voting public just don’t realise that so many votes just don’t count for anything under our first past the post system !
Your thoughts !
Haven't you posted this thread several times already? Yes i have probbally posted similar !"
Well electoral reform is a key issue for labour and the smaller parties, and PR is being discussed as a means to get representative democracy. But you know whom you would need to vote for if that was to happen. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
I'm sure my vote will count. In the constiunacy I live we will have either a Conservative or Lib Dem mp so if I vote for one of them my vote will definitely count.
If anyone votes for any other party it will still count towards that party's votes but won't make any difference to who becomes the Pm. The voter knows that so that helps them to decide who to vote for.
Every vote counts, I believe its our duty to vote. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"I'm sure my vote will count. In the constiunacy I live we will have either a Conservative or Lib Dem mp so if I vote for one of them my vote will definitely count.
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Unless, of course, you vote for the one who comes second. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm sure my vote will count. In the constiunacy I live we will have either a Conservative or Lib Dem mp so if I vote for one of them my vote will definitely count.
Unless, of course, you vote for the one who comes second."
That is a good point !
At least in the referendum which was PR !!!
Every vote counted to make remain Second ! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"As a supporter of PR or percentage voting . I’m becoming more and more convinced that a huge portion of the voting public just don’t realise that so many votes just don’t count for anything under our first past the post system !
Your thoughts !"
Yes you are right but some that do look at this then do not vote.
Of course it suits both main parties not to change the system so they can just taking it in turns to run the country.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Here's an interesting piece in the guardian. Yeah yeah. I know it's a shitty news paper but. The headline supports the OPs assertion that it's pointless voting in some places is pointless. (I don't necessarily agree). But I was surprised how long some seats have been held.
"14m UK voters live in areas held by same party since second world war"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/02/14million-voters-live-areas-held-same-party-since-second-world-war?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Was on radio today saying it’s hard to tell by the opinion polls as they are done on percentage !
One side could be ten points ahead but the votes could all be stacked in places they don’t need them !
It may do our democracy good in the long run if the loser wins as in America ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Frankly, with the current crop of shite we have to vote for PR voting will not change one thing, they will all still be shite, just a different mix of shite. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Frankly, with the current crop of shite we have to vote for PR voting will not change one thing, they will all still be shite, just a different mix of shite. "
I think we would see some new party’s tho as it would make it worth it .
The other thing people neglect to say tho is that it means you can vote for anyone !
You don’t need them to stand in your area .
I’d Vote SNP !
Help get a Free England ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Frankly, with the current crop of shite we have to vote for PR voting will not change one thing, they will all still be shite, just a different mix of shite. I think we would see some new party’s tho as it would make it worth it .
The other thing people neglect to say tho is that it means you can vote for anyone !
You don’t need them to stand in your area .
I’d Vote SNP !
Help get a Free England !"
Yeah I can see some merits depending on the PR style choosen |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Frankly, with the current crop of shite we have to vote for PR voting will not change one thing, they will all still be shite, just a different mix of shite. I think we would see some new party’s tho as it would make it worth it .
The other thing people neglect to say tho is that it means you can vote for anyone !
You don’t need them to stand in your area .
I’d Vote SNP !
Help get a Free England !
Yeah I can see some merits depending on the PR style choosen "
I’d have straight % voting
500 seats get ten per cent of U.K. vote get 50 Seats ! |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
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My vote will count for absolutely NOTHING! The incumbent MP was a Theresa yes-man, is now a Boris yes-man, has promised to deport EU citizens who don’t register in time (presumably, non-EU immigrants and illegals will be allowed to stay?).
With no BREXIT candidate standing, he’ll get in by a landslide.
It won’t stop me voting against him though, and I’d still rather have a first-past-the-post system which encourages a stable government. The alternative, with lots of smaller parties clubbing together and forming little cliques, invites chaos. Italy has had more than 60 governments since WWII, and the last three years in the UK gives an idea of what would happen if PR were introduced. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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According to the Electoral Reform Society, there have been 3.2 million applications to register since the day the election was called, an average of 114,000 per day.
That is up by 38% from the 2.3 million in a similar period before the 2017 election.
About two-thirds of new applications are from those aged 34 and under. Younger people have been shown in recent polls to be more likely to vote Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to the Electoral Reform Society, there have been 3.2 million applications to register since the day the election was called, an average of 114,000 per day.
That is up by 38% from the 2.3 million in a similar period before the 2017 election.
About two-thirds of new applications are from those aged 34 and under. Younger people have been shown in recent polls to be more likely to vote Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green."
This is good news. But I still don't hold out much hope.
It seems people are determined to vote Tory no matter what. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to the Electoral Reform Society, there have been 3.2 million applications to register since the day the election was called, an average of 114,000 per day.
That is up by 38% from the 2.3 million in a similar period before the 2017 election.
About two-thirds of new applications are from those aged 34 and under. Younger people have been shown in recent polls to be more likely to vote Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green.
This is good news. But I still don't hold out much hope.
It seems people are determined to vote Tory no matter what."
For so long as people continue to read newspapers whose owners have a vested interest in presenting a view that benefits themselves and not their readers, this shall continue to be the case.
One day people will think "Would this rich person allow one good story about a person who threatens his wealth?". But this would require thinking. |
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There's no perfect system but I think it's likely that we'll need to move to PR soon. There's obviously pressure to retain the status quo and it suits me conservatives to stay as now.
There's some recognition amongst the public but probably low buy-in to the idea.
There's probably been a big effect of turning the people off voting in constituencies that never change, which is sad if valid |
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