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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds? |
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"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?"
I wouldn't quite say that but I do suspect when he is around terrorists he gets excited and a throbbie on. |
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail."
Sadly the facts are out there with him supporting members of the IRA and PLO. Nothing wrong with the Labour party but unlike your claim Corbin doesn't have an independent mind. |
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Our current government are borrowing at rediculous levels without investing it in any way that would see a return as tax income. Borrowing can be a good thing if used to stimulate the economy but as a country we have almost completely stagnated. Most people are skint, businesses are going bust and the high street is virtually non-existent as a result. We built an economy based on spending by the masses and then crippled their ability to do so.
And he clearly believes he too should pay more tax then? I feel like you can't win. If you're not a millionaire and want to tax the rich you're just bitter and selfish but when a millionaire also proposes taxing the rich, he's criticised for being a millionaire in the first place and still is somehow accused of hating the rich, being a communist and believing people shouldn't be able to become wealthy. |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail."
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against. |
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against."
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them? |
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over a year ago
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I would not dream of voting for corbyn. I can not take the man seriously. The man is mad as a fish and has spent almost his entire tenure in the commons as an obscure fringe loony leftist before managing to be voted in following the change in Labour voting policies.
Problem with Labour policies in my view is rhsg the never make economic sense. Increase minimum wage. 4 day working week. Make everyone poor richer. Nationalise everything. No university fees. Nice in theory. Who is gonna pay for it?
At least Blair was fairly believable. This man is just a joke. I expect and hope Labour to get wasted in the election.
I'm not really a fan of any of the parties. But I feel a Labour government would be the worst of a bad lot.
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?"
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck' |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
My vote is still very much in flux, like it is every election. I actually use my brain (yes that is an insult to whoever feels it is) and look at as many of the issues across the board. Who has major issues, who has minor issues. Who is the closest to actually caring for the people (none of them, but some closer than others).
Anyone who bases their vote on a sole and single policy needs to take a long look at the problems you are causing elsewhere. Vote for who you want, I don't care but do it in an educated way (the majority of voters don't educate themselves, some that do only educate themselves on a single point). Some people are far too loyal towards a single party.
People stating they hate tories but won't vote Labour because of one man  and vice versa. Seriously give your head a wobble and weigh things up (like seriously).
Corbyn could fuck things up for the worst. BJ is just as likely to fuck things up too.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?"
Unless you are a millionaire, why are you worried about people at the top paying more into the pot?
They love people like you, ya know.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?
Unless you are a millionaire, why are you worried about people at the top paying more into the pot?
They love people like you, ya know.
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Also this.
Political tactics!
Make your opponents look bad to disguise all the shady and underhanded bullshit you are doing yourself. |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?
Unless you are a millionaire, why are you worried about people at the top paying more into the pot?
They love people like you, ya know.
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Because equality should mean equality.
Why would you expect people who earn more to pay a greater percentage than those earning less?
(By the very value of percentage they pay more!)
Do you think that if two farmers farm side by side but one has more cows than his neighbour he should give some over?
Do you think that socialist MPs truly care if you have any more than you currently have? No. They don't. They want you to believe they do so that they can remain in power over you, so they can earn more money and so they can live the life you can not.
If you like to be oppressed, deceived and dictated to then place your X against Labour. |
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The whole tory campaign so far has been a direct attack on Corbyn instead of focusing on reasons why people should vote for them. Even in the OPs original question he raises the point that Corbyn is a millionaire as if that is a stick to beat him with, yet at the same time says thst Corbyn wants to tax millionaires i.e. Himself! Well I'd say that is to his credit. Might have escaped many tories attention that Boris and Jacob Rees Smug are considerably richer yet that isn't an issue?
Incidentally Labour haven't said they are going to tax millionaires, their manifesto hasn't even been released yet.
As for the person above that called Corbyn a looney, then what on earth does that make Boris  |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it"
Yep. I worked very hard my whole life to get where I am. I don't see a reason why I should automatically pay more and be penalised in order to support others, particularly those that did not work as hard as I did.
I already don't qualify for any benefits, tax breaks or allowances. My whole life I've paid shit loads of tax and never received a penny back.
I don't mind paying a certain amount more because I realize that some people aren't as fortunate or naturally talented. That's fine. But the Labour maxim that if you're "rich" then you should pay 90 percent tax, and if you're poor and eat twigs you should get paid a high salary and get everything for nothing doesn't sit well with me. |
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it"
But Labour aren't proposing that everyone should earn the same.
Tax bands based on earnings have always existed and still do now even under the current government.
Remember this is the party that previously introduced the poll tax and even more recently the bedroom tax. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"If you like to be oppressed, deceived and dictated to then place your X against Labour."
Place your X next to any political party because that is exactly what they all do. Different shit, same exact smell.
Don't kid yourself that any of them have the interests of the people at heart. Each and every one of them has an agenda of gaining power over the masses. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it"
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing. |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
Why not ask yourself these questions?
Why, if Corbyn is a true socialist, does he have a million pounds?
(Do all Labour voters have a million pounds?)
If you vote Labour and have honest socialist values, do you do the Lottery? If so why? Won't you become one of those people you despise? Surely by doing it you demean your own apparent values.
Voting for Labour is like Turkeys voting for Christmas!
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
Yep. I worked very hard my whole life to get where I am. I don't see a reason why I should automatically pay more and be penalised in order to support others, particularly those that did not work as hard as I did.
I already don't qualify for any benefits, tax breaks or allowances. My whole life I've paid shit loads of tax and never received a penny back.
I don't mind paying a certain amount more because I realize that some people aren't as fortunate or naturally talented. That's fine. But the Labour maxim that if you're "rich" then you should pay 90 percent tax, and if you're poor and eat twigs you should get paid a high salary and get everything for nothing doesn't sit well with me. "
You didn't do it on your own.
That is very self-regarding.
Nobody has actually said that the rich should pay 90% tax have they?
Nobody said that if you are poor you should have more than safety and security.
Way to go on fact-based decision making |
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
Yep. I worked very hard my whole life to get where I am. I don't see a reason why I should automatically pay more and be penalised in order to support others, particularly those that did not work as hard as I did.
I already don't qualify for any benefits, tax breaks or allowances. My whole life I've paid shit loads of tax and never received a penny back.
I don't mind paying a certain amount more because I realize that some people aren't as fortunate or naturally talented. That's fine. But the Labour maxim that if you're "rich" then you should pay 90 percent tax, and if you're poor and eat twigs you should get paid a high salary and get everything for nothing doesn't sit well with me. "
I've worked hard too. I worked both days of the weekend and an evening while in full time education for years and therefore had no days off. In recent years I've mostly had two jobs. At one point three jobs in order to save for a flat deposit. On a Friday I did 8 hours in my day job then started a bar shift at 9pm until the early hours and then worked Saturday too. Yet I've still never earnt the £80,000 a year needed to be affected by Labour's tax policies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck' "
 like the Right are the champions of the Jewish people. It was the right which instigated the Holocaust. It’s the right which discriminates more so than any other side.
Give me a break. The right in the UK are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. So don’t push that holy art thou bollocks.
I’ve never seen no lefty kicking the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would not dream of voting for corbyn. I can not take the man seriously. The man is mad as a fish and has spent almost his entire tenure in the commons as an obscure fringe loony leftist before managing to be voted in following the change in Labour voting policies.
Problem with Labour policies in my view is rhsg the never make economic sense. Increase minimum wage. 4 day working week. Make everyone poor richer. Nationalise everything. No university fees. Nice in theory. Who is gonna pay for it?
At least Blair was fairly believable. This man is just a joke. I expect and hope Labour to get wasted in the election.
I'm not really a fan of any of the parties. But I feel a Labour government would be the worst of a bad lot.
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So better the devil you know than the devil you don’t? |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing."
Yep true.
So how much would you not notice being taken from you for no other reason than to give cash to someone less well off than yourself? To someone who let's say can't be bothered to work or let's say wants to drink and smoke but doesn't feel they should live by what they earn.
By penalising those who are successful and wealthy you produce an apathetic attitude to those who could do better for themselves. |
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"Why not ask yourself these questions?
Why, if Corbyn is a true socialist, does he have a million pounds?
(Do all Labour voters have a million pounds?)
If you vote Labour and have honest socialist values, do you do the Lottery? If so why? Won't you become one of those people you despise? Surely by doing it you demean your own apparent values.
Voting for Labour is like Turkeys voting for Christmas!
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Because he's a socialist not a communist. Socialism isn't about everyone earning the same and never has been.
No I don't play the lottery. However socialists do not despise rich people. |
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing.
Yep true.
So how much would you not notice being taken from you for no other reason than to give cash to someone less well off than yourself? To someone who let's say can't be bothered to work or let's say wants to drink and smoke but doesn't feel they should live by what they earn.
By penalising those who are successful and wealthy you produce an apathetic attitude to those who could do better for themselves."
We already have created an apathetic attitude as skilled people can work 40 hours a week on above minimum wage yet still struggle to eat. Not that those on minimum wage should struggle to eat either. |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck'
like the Right are the champions of the Jewish people. It was the right which instigated the Holocaust. It’s the right which discriminates more so than any other side.
Give me a break. The right in the UK are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. So don’t push that holy art thou bollocks.
I’ve never seen no lefty kicking the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin.
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That is a little sad
Yes it was 'the right' during the war from Germany. Who were defeated at the hands of a right wing governed Britain. So that is not particularly well thought through is it?
Because you have never seen 'no lefty' kick the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin is conclusive evidence it doesn't happen? Sure!
Hypocrites come in all political guises. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why not ask yourself these questions?
Why, if Corbyn is a true socialist, does he have a million pounds?
(Do all Labour voters have a million pounds?)
If you vote Labour and have honest socialist values, do you do the Lottery? If so why? Won't you become one of those people you despise? Surely by doing it you demean your own apparent values.
Voting for Labour is like Turkeys voting for Christmas!
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Voting Tory is like being in an abusive relationship, believing they will change, but being fed the same lies.
That’s most voters at the moment. They like to be mentally abused, tories must be thinking everyone who votes for them are really stupid.
Do you want to be mugged off, vote Tory! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing.
Yep true.
So how much would you not notice being taken from you for no other reason than to give cash to someone less well off than yourself? To someone who let's say can't be bothered to work or let's say wants to drink and smoke but doesn't feel they should live by what they earn.
By penalising those who are successful and wealthy you produce an apathetic attitude to those who could do better for themselves."
How about a child who's been neglected?
How about someone who's fallen to pieces because they've lost a child?
How about a soldier with PTSD?
I could easily live my life with a few hundred pounds less in the bank. If you can't then you aren't as rich and successful as you think that you are. |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
I think that what this issue shows is interesting in as much as the arguments are traditionally political.
No one is mentioning Brexit and the complete farce all politicians have been party to.
We can maybe conclude therefore that this Election may be decided by true political values rather than on leaving the EU.... |
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
North West Leeds |
"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing.
Yep true.
So how much would you not notice being taken from you for no other reason than to give cash to someone less well off than yourself? To someone who let's say can't be bothered to work or let's say wants to drink and smoke but doesn't feel they should live by what they earn.
By penalising those who are successful and wealthy you produce an apathetic attitude to those who could do better for themselves.
How about a child who's been neglected?
How about someone who's fallen to pieces because they've lost a child?
How about a soldier with PTSD?
I could easily live my life with a few hundred pounds less in the bank. If you can't then you aren't as rich and successful as you think that you are."
You have assumed I am rich and successful?
Who knows?
The losses you mention are valid points.
If a little off the topic.
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck'
like the Right are the champions of the Jewish people. It was the right which instigated the Holocaust. It’s the right which discriminates more so than any other side.
Give me a break. The right in the UK are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. So don’t push that holy art thou bollocks.
I’ve never seen no lefty kicking the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin.
That is a little sad
Yes it was 'the right' during the war from Germany. Who were defeated at the hands of a right wing governed Britain. So that is not particularly well thought through is it?
Because you have never seen 'no lefty' kick the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin is conclusive evidence it doesn't happen? Sure!
Hypocrites come in all political guises."
Typical response from a person who relies on the history of the war according to dads army.
Pfft and the biggest hypocrites are those on the right!
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"I think that what this issue shows is interesting in as much as the arguments are traditionally political.
No one is mentioning Brexit and the complete farce all politicians have been party to.
We can maybe conclude therefore that this Election may be decided by true political values rather than on leaving the EU...."
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it
...or you look after the sick and the weak and the stupid because it makes the world better.
You take a bit more money from those who will not even notice to give opportunity to those who have none.
Otherwise all that happens is over time the rich become wealthier because they have spare cash to invest.
Those with no spare money stay where they are and the gap grows.
You don't have to hate anyone to understand the benefit of sharing.
Yep true.
So how much would you not notice being taken from you for no other reason than to give cash to someone less well off than yourself? To someone who let's say can't be bothered to work or let's say wants to drink and smoke but doesn't feel they should live by what they earn.
By penalising those who are successful and wealthy you produce an apathetic attitude to those who could do better for themselves.
How about a child who's been neglected?
How about someone who's fallen to pieces because they've lost a child?
How about a soldier with PTSD?
I could easily live my life with a few hundred pounds less in the bank. If you can't then you aren't as rich and successful as you think that you are.
You have assumed I am rich and successful?
Who knows?
The losses you mention are valid points.
If a little off the topic.
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"I think that what this issue shows is interesting in as much as the arguments are traditionally political.
No one is mentioning Brexit and the complete farce all politicians have been party to.
We can maybe conclude therefore that this Election may be decided by true political values rather than on leaving the EU...."
True, but not once yet have you given a reason why people should vote tory. Its all been about discrediting Corbyn, not even Labour, but Corbyn. And the arguments that you've presented are based on misinformation or in the belief that somehow the Labour Party are a communist party.
It's been a good political debate this thread so let's here some reasons why we should vote tory instead of why we shouldn't vote Labour. |
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over a year ago
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Yes it was 'the right' during the war from Germany. Who were defeated at the hands of a right wing governed Britain. So that is not particularly well thought through is it?
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No, you're the one who needs to think this right-wing bollocks through.
It was a caretake government that ruled from 1939 until 1945.
A coalition.
Atlee was the deputy PM.
You know, the guy who gave us the welfare state, the NHS etc etc
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By *picknspan OP Man
over a year ago
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck'
like the Right are the champions of the Jewish people. It was the right which instigated the Holocaust. It’s the right which discriminates more so than any other side.
Give me a break. The right in the UK are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. So don’t push that holy art thou bollocks.
I’ve never seen no lefty kicking the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin.
That is a little sad
Yes it was 'the right' during the war from Germany. Who were defeated at the hands of a right wing governed Britain. So that is not particularly well thought through is it?
Because you have never seen 'no lefty' kick the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin is conclusive evidence it doesn't happen? Sure!
Hypocrites come in all political guises.
Typical response from a person who relies on the history of the war according to dads army.
Pfft and the biggest hypocrites are those on the right!
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Ah, so Churchill wasn't the Prime Minister that was leading Britain when the Germans were defeated in WW2?
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"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?"
Pure fear based marketing... Lol!!! Tories are PARANOID to lose to labour... Labour will take your money, they will liaise with terrorists; communists... When it was Milliband it was the same and we ended up having Cameron who after leading the country to a non binding Brexit vote, he fucked off and... The UK is in the current mess. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck'
like the Right are the champions of the Jewish people. It was the right which instigated the Holocaust. It’s the right which discriminates more so than any other side.
Give me a break. The right in the UK are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. So don’t push that holy art thou bollocks.
I’ve never seen no lefty kicking the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin.
That is a little sad
Yes it was 'the right' during the war from Germany. Who were defeated at the hands of a right wing governed Britain. So that is not particularly well thought through is it?
Because you have never seen 'no lefty' kick the shit out of someone because of the colour of their skin is conclusive evidence it doesn't happen? Sure!
Hypocrites come in all political guises.
Typical response from a person who relies on the history of the war according to dads army.
Pfft and the biggest hypocrites are those on the right!
Ah, so Churchill wasn't the Prime Minister that was leading Britain when the Germans were defeated in WW2?
My mistake."
Churchill was the Prime Minister of the coalition government that achieved just that.
So yes, your mistake.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The government of 1939-45 was known as a caretaker government, consisting of Secretaries of State drawn from the Labour, Conservative and Liberal parties.
If Churchill (Con) had been assassinated, Clement Atlee (Lab) succeeded him as PM, for example.
To seek to rewrite the history of the war as a Conservative victory really is pretty despicable.
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"The government of 1939-45 was known as a caretaker government, consisting of Secretaries of State drawn from the Labour, Conservative and Liberal parties.
If Churchill (Con) had been assassinated, Clement Atlee (Lab) succeeded him as PM, for example.
To seek to rewrite the history of the war as a Conservative victory really is pretty despicable.
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against.
Most major politicians have met with some pretty shady people, often other world leaders. You can't attempt to reason with people without meeting with them. Also meeting with people doesn't mean you agree with them. Corbyn and Johnson meet with each other on a regular basis.
Our government does sell weapons to terrorists though (which Corbyn has fought against) so who's really supporting them?
Corbyn quote "Hammas and Hezbollah are our friends"
Think that about covers it.
In addition he has anti-semitism 'hanging around his neck' "
Not to mention standing on a Sinn Fein (IRA) platform and stating categorically that the IRA were within their rights to shoot british soldiers..Its one thing to meet with terrorists to try and establish a dialogue but its another thing entirely to tell them its ok to kill British soldiers. |
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
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I too have an independent mind that hasn't and isn't determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail, but I still won't be voting for Corbyn's Labour.
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"Yes I will be voting Labour. I have an independent mind that hasn't been determined by lies and spin in the Daily Mail.
Would you say that there are no lies or spin in the Daily Mirror?
All the Election spin, talk or stories are fundamentally stated to attract votes from which ever side they are promoted. Rarely do any of the politicians do what they say at this time. They spout rhetoric in the hope that it will convince people to vote for them.
I am interested to know whether Labour voters are concerned by assisting to elect a Prime Minister who has openly associated with Terrorists, Organisations that pose a threat to UK safety and wants to have socialist equality for the proletariat whilst actually living the life of the wealthy folk he so claims to be against."
Seriously you need to widen your reading circle and start coming up with reason not to vote for Corbyn that are believable beyond the readership of the Mail & Express.
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"My vote is still very much in flux, like it is every election. I actually use my brain (yes that is an insult to whoever feels it is) and look at as many of the issues across the board. Who has major issues, who has minor issues. Who is the closest to actually caring for the people (none of them, but some closer than others).
Anyone who bases their vote on a sole and single policy needs to take a long look at the problems you are causing elsewhere. Vote for who you want, I don't care but do it in an educated way (the majority of voters don't educate themselves, some that do only educate themselves on a single point). Some people are far too loyal towards a single party.
People stating they hate tories but won't vote Labour because of one man and vice versa. Seriously give your head a wobble and weigh things up (like seriously).
Corbyn could fuck things up for the worst. BJ is just as likely to fuck things up too.
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I am quite worried that Corbyn with his policies, could fuck things up. I'm not worried about Johnson fucking things up, I don't need to, I can see he's fucking things up already.
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"As we draw ever closer to the 12th December and the impending Election can anyone seriously consider voting for Labour when the Leader is a cohort of Terrorists, has plans to increase inflation by borrowing to a ridiculous level and plans to tax Millionaires when he himself has a vast fortune that amounts to several million pounds?
Unless you are a millionaire, why are you worried about people at the top paying more into the pot?
They love people like you, ya know.
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Because I simply don't believe that we solve the many problems this country faces by just making "the few" pay "a little bit more". How many are these "few" and how little is this "little bit more"? |
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"The logic of the poll tax.
Didn't end well that one.
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The so called poll tax was based on everyone paying the same amount. Everyone paying the same percentage rate would still mean that those earning more would be paying more (20% of £20,000 is £4,000 - 20% of £200,000 is £40,000). |
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"The whole Left/Communist/socialist psyche is based on trying to get successful people to subsidise people who are not successful. To get the stronger to hold up the weak. To have this whole approach of 'I cant do it or have it so you should give more as a penalty'
People work hard to get wealthy, working class people become wealthy and when they do this appalling jealous and whining vitriol pours out of the mouths of the socialist.
If you truly believe in what you say you believe then surely you should not have or earn more than your neighbour or co worker. Will you be giving someone who earns £50 a week less than you an unsolicited and unexpected bonus of your 'excessive earnings'? I very much doubt it"
I'm not a left/communist/socialist, in fact I've never voted Labour in my life, but I absolutely believe that the successful should help the less successful and even more so that the strong should help the week. I guess your not a One Nation Conservative.
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So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule? |
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"So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule? "
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"So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule?
They've pissed off people like you Vote winner for me "
Actually not pissed me off at all. Just can't think of any reason to vote tory or anything they have achieved in 10 years. Once again no answer |
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"So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule?
They've pissed off people like you Vote winner for me
Actually not pissed me off at all. Just can't think of any reason to vote tory or anything they have achieved in 10 years. Once again no answer "
Has pissed you off otherwise you wouldn't care . Off the top of my head I can think of the following, no doubt given time I could find loads;
Legalised same sex marriage
Cut inheritance tax
Let Scotland have indy ref
Devolved more powers to home nations
Gave hmrc more powers to tackle tax evasion
Set toughest environmental targets than any other country
Eased planning conditions on brownfield sites to boost housing
Raised lower level tax threshold
Cut unemployment
Tackled gender pay gap
Opened further education to all
Improved education standards
Better funded schools
More funding for NHS assured
Plus lots lots more, but most importantly for the country- kept Corbyn out of Number 10! |
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I have reasonably equal contempt for all of the parties.
Historically Labour has been unable to be disciplined enough to keep finances under control.
A labour government tends to spend more than the country can afford.
Labour can afford to make grandiose electoral promises because many voters a) do not understand statistics and b) spend more than they can afford themselves on credit and see nothing wrong with it.
Public sector net debt was £347 billion in 1996/97, the year before Labour came into office, and £1,011 billion in 2009/10, their last financial year in power.
That’s a cash terms rise of 191% over 13 years, which compares to a 71% rise over seven years with Conservative Chancellors between 2009/10 and 2016/17.
Governmenr spend was increased by labour's tendency towards big government.
In April 1997 there were 475,000 civil servants on government. By 2001, still under labour, there were more than half a million civil servants (doing the same job) and the size of the civil service reached an all time high under labour before falling again once the tories came into power.
If a 4 day working week is introduced, size of government and spending will have to grow.
This might sound dry but economics are a very important measure of the success of a government.
However. All this won't make any difference to the voter. I the area where I now live in leafy Buckinghamshire everyone will vote Conservative.
In the poor, Northern working class area where I was born, the Labour candidate could be a bloody monkey and he would still be elected. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule?
They've pissed off people like you Vote winner for me
Actually not pissed me off at all. Just can't think of any reason to vote tory or anything they have achieved in 10 years. Once again no answer
Has pissed you off otherwise you wouldn't care . Off the top of my head I can think of the following, no doubt given time I could find loads;
Legalised same sex marriage
Cut inheritance tax
Let Scotland have indy ref
Devolved more powers to home nations
Gave hmrc more powers to tackle tax evasion
Set toughest environmental targets than any other country
Eased planning conditions on brownfield sites to boost housing
Raised lower level tax threshold
Cut unemployment
Tackled gender pay gap
Opened further education to all
Improved education standards
Better funded schools
More funding for NHS assured
Plus lots lots more, but most importantly for the country- kept Corbyn out of Number 10!"
Same sex marriage passed by 400 to 175 of which 136 (of 306) Conservatives voted against. Passed despite them.
Cut inheritance tax/increased inequality. "Achievement"?
Scottish indyref. "Achievement"?
Increased devolved powers
Tax to GDP ratio has moved from 31.2% to 33.2% to 31.8% to 33.3%
Set high environmental targets started under coalition pressure but turned out to be popular
Eased planning conditions on brownfield sites and greenfield and assumed any development would be granted aid communities agree or not. Negligible increase in housing stock, particularly social housing.
Lower tax threshold raised under coalition pressure but turned out to be popular
Cut unemployment...increased low paid insecure jobs.
Tackled gender pay gap. Tackled? It's been fixed then?
Further education was already open to all. Who was excluded?
Education standards "improved" by what assessment?
Better funded schools? Real terms freeze per pupil at best.
More funding for NHS "assured". By Johnson. An "achievement"?
Pretty thin if these are the highlights 
Perhaps the days of governments having a vision and big ideas have gone and all that is left is sound bites for the next news cycle.
An "achievement" isn't what it used to be. |
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"So once again throughout this whole thread not one person has come up with a reason why we should vote Conservative. Every answer from Tory supporters has been why we shouldn't vote for Corbyn using the same old tired arguments and downright misinformation (aka lies).
So come on then, right wing, why should we vote for you? Name one success in the past 10 years of Tory rule?
They've pissed off people like you Vote winner for me
Actually not pissed me off at all. Just can't think of any reason to vote tory or anything they have achieved in 10 years. Once again no answer
Has pissed you off otherwise you wouldn't care . Off the top of my head I can think of the following, no doubt given time I could find loads;
Legalised same sex marriage
Cut inheritance tax
Let Scotland have indy ref
Devolved more powers to home nations
Gave hmrc more powers to tackle tax evasion
Set toughest environmental targets than any other country
Eased planning conditions on brownfield sites to boost housing
Raised lower level tax threshold
Cut unemployment
Tackled gender pay gap
Opened further education to all
Improved education standards
Better funded schools
More funding for NHS assured
Plus lots lots more, but most importantly for the country- kept Corbyn out of Number 10!"
I think about 1/5 of those claims are actually plausible and the rest are unproven or untrue. Lies lies and more damned lies....the crusts that the tories throw to their serfs while banking on shorting the pound and making shed loads of moneys! |
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