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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I was chatting to a couple of people a few days ago and although they were leave supporters they would still vote labour, their main reason was that although they voted leave, they could not vote for the conservatives because they did not share their views on a things such as the NHS, Workers right, social issues and crime prevention.
Also in the same respect a few months back I spoke to remainers who would still vote conservative because they could not trust labour with the economy, worried about paying more taxes and worried about a return to a nanny state.
So considering that, would it be true to say being a leaver or remainer, at the election, party comes before people’s views on Brexit? And that is far stronger than just one issue? |
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Name a government that reduced public spending by 30% while over doubling national debt.
That would be the Tory government of the last 9 years.
Let that sink in...
This government has managed to spend more than every previous government combined by cutting everything.
Now look round the world...
Which are the most stable countries? What have they in common?
Which are the least stable countries?
What have they in common?
Where do other countries fall if plotted on a graph between those extremes?
What inferences can be drawn from the result?
Whose for living in a high tax and spend country?
Who'd rather the cut and thrust of living in a no tax no spend state? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Name a government that reduced public spending by 30% while over doubling national debt.
That would be the Tory government of the last 9 years.
Let that sink in...
This government has managed to spend more than every previous government combined by cutting everything.
Now look round the world...
Which are the most stable countries? What have they in common?
Which are the least stable countries?
What have they in common?
Where do other countries fall if plotted on a graph between those extremes?
What inferences can be drawn from the result?
Whose for living in a high tax and spend country?
Who'd rather the cut and thrust of living in a no tax no spend state?"
I think you’re referring to your sworn enemy, in a convoluted way.
My question is to the people who vote leave and are labour voters and remainers who are conservative voters.
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"I think you’re referring to your sworn enemy, in a convoluted way.
My question is to the people who vote leave and are labour voters and remainers who are conservative voters.
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Not really, the vast majority neocons and supporters of neo-liberal economic theory are not my enemies, they are just extremely misguided. If I have enemies they are the authoritarians who use education (or the lack of it) as a tool to suppress knowledge and hoard wealth to the detriment of all. Like it or not we advance by collective endeavour not by individual effort.
We all have a couple of choices to make in life. The first is, do we, like Newton stand on the giant shoulders of those who went before us to see further? The second and more important is, do we add our shoulders to the pyramid so that those who follow us can see further?
It seems to me that we are reaching the point where this greed engendering modern supranational corporate free market capitalism is not just undermining this civilisation in its quest for wealth, but is endangering the not just the species but every species on the planet!
I find the attitude of many unbelievable. I think it is best summed up in the ridiculousness of the corporate mantra of 'I don't want to hear problems, I want to hear solutions!'. Because this leads to problems being hidden rather than being addressed.
Brexit is the result of problems being hidden rather than being addressed and then when the problems eventually broke a system the blame and cost being heaped on those who had no part in creating the problems in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was chatting to a couple of people a few days ago and although they were leave supporters they would still vote labour, their main reason was that although they voted leave, they could not vote for the conservatives because they did not share their views on a things such as the NHS, Workers right, social issues and crime prevention.
Also in the same respect a few months back I spoke to remainers who would still vote conservative because they could not trust labour with the economy, worried about paying more taxes and worried about a return to a nanny state.
So considering that, would it be true to say being a leaver or remainer, at the election, party comes before people’s views on Brexit? And that is far stronger than just one issue?"
These people sound very confused.
Why would the vote leave if they cared about workers rights, NHS or social issues. That's just plain rediculous.
For me it's easy. I would never vote for a party who promote tax breaks for the rich, don't care about the environment, don't care about people's rights, sell bombs to terrorists, vote against gay rights, etc etc.
So that narrows the field. That doesn't leave me with any pro brexit options. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell."
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris?"
Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here"
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely "
Depends round here conservatives no chance but brexit as a good chance of beating labour as they've upset that many so tactical vote might work  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely Depends round here conservatives no chance but brexit as a good chance of beating labour as they've upset that many so tactical vote might work "
But the Brexit party won’t win the election and the Torres won’t do deal with them? Wasted vote |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely Depends round here conservatives no chance but brexit as a good chance of beating labour as they've upset that many so tactical vote might work
But the Brexit party won’t win the election and the Torres won’t do deal with them? Wasted vote "
Don't believe your own shite Torres will win and they will do a deal between them self's |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely Depends round here conservatives no chance but brexit as a good chance of beating labour as they've upset that many so tactical vote might work "
So you don't care about the future of the country and the future of the next generations only the future of the Labor Party? Don't answer because I'm tired of reading stupid things today.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell.
Ah, so it’s Brexit no matter what? Farage or Boris? Depends who puts a candidate if both probably garage more chance round here
Ah, a wasted vote on Farage , lovely Depends round here conservatives no chance but brexit as a good chance of beating labour as they've upset that many so tactical vote might work
So you don't care about the future of the country and the future of the next generations only the future of the Labor Party? Don't answer because I'm tired of reading stupid things today. "
No don't give a shite about this country or anyone else except for my self now rest can fook off and die for all I care |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I would normally vote labour but not this time I voted leave and believe in democracy so labour will never get my vote while wanker corbyn and rest of is cronies are in charge and I hope the burn in hell."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can understand why people feel the need to vote for the Brexit Party but can anybody answer me what good can come from having a Brexit Party MP in your area after brexit has happened.
Their only goal is to deliver brexit and you would have a MP with no other objectives than to claim their salary for the next 4 years |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can understand why people feel the need to vote for the Brexit Party but can anybody answer me what good can come from having a Brexit Party MP in your area after brexit has happened.
Their only goal is to deliver brexit and you would have a MP with no other objectives than to claim their salary for the next 4 years"
Their only goal is to deliver the most damaging brexit possible. For the benefit of their American owners and bosses. After Brexit their MPs will be dropped like a bag of dog shit into one of those special bins at the park. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think you’re referring to your sworn enemy, in a convoluted way.
My question is to the people who vote leave and are labour voters and remainers who are conservative voters.
Not really, the vast majority neocons and supporters of neo-liberal economic theory are not my enemies, they are just extremely misguided. If I have enemies they are the authoritarians who use education (or the lack of it) as a tool to suppress knowledge and hoard wealth to the detriment of all. Like it or not we advance by collective endeavour not by individual effort.
We all have a couple of choices to make in life. The first is, do we, like Newton stand on the giant shoulders of those who went before us to see further? The second and more important is, do we add our shoulders to the pyramid so that those who follow us can see further?
It seems to me that we are reaching the point where this greed engendering modern supranational corporate free market capitalism is not just undermining this civilisation in its quest for wealth, but is endangering the not just the species but every species on the planet!
I find the attitude of many unbelievable. I think it is best summed up in the ridiculousness of the corporate mantra of 'I don't want to hear problems, I want to hear solutions!'. Because this leads to problems being hidden rather than being addressed.
Brexit is the result of problems being hidden rather than being addressed and then when the problems eventually broke a system the blame and cost being heaped on those who had no part in creating the problems in the first place. "
No one likes a lecture, it’s boring, this is why people are so turned off by people in momentum. Condense and get to the point, like this:
Rich bad, poor suffering because rich are bad, business is bad because they don’t like bad news.
There simple and less round the houses.
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"No one likes a lecture, it’s boring, this is why people are so turned off by people in momentum. Condense and get to the point, like this:
Rich bad, poor suffering because rich are bad, business is bad because they don’t like bad news.
There simple and less round the houses.
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Sorry if I am long winded or verbose, but my message has never been 'rich bad' or 'business bad'. Shame that is what you take from what I say. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I think you’re referring to your sworn enemy, in a convoluted way.
My question is to the people who vote leave and are labour voters and remainers who are conservative voters.
Not really, the vast majority neocons and supporters of neo-liberal economic theory are not my enemies, they are just extremely misguided. If I have enemies they are the authoritarians who use education (or the lack of it) as a tool to suppress knowledge and hoard wealth to the detriment of all. Like it or not we advance by collective endeavour not by individual effort.
We all have a couple of choices to make in life. The first is, do we, like Newton stand on the giant shoulders of those who went before us to see further? The second and more important is, do we add our shoulders to the pyramid so that those who follow us can see further?
It seems to me that we are reaching the point where this greed engendering modern supranational corporate free market capitalism is not just undermining this civilisation in its quest for wealth, but is endangering the not just the species but every species on the planet!
I find the attitude of many unbelievable. I think it is best summed up in the ridiculousness of the corporate mantra of 'I don't want to hear problems, I want to hear solutions!'. Because this leads to problems being hidden rather than being addressed.
Brexit is the result of problems being hidden rather than being addressed and then when the problems eventually broke a system the blame and cost being heaped on those who had no part in creating the problems in the first place.
No one likes a lecture, it’s boring, this is why people are so turned off by people in momentum. Condense and get to the point, like this:
Rich bad, poor suffering because rich are bad, business is bad because they don’t like bad news.
There simple and less round the houses.
"
The world isn't black and white & if your attention span can only handle soundbites and information in 240 character segments and 'gotcha quips' made for youtube, thats SAD!! as donald likes to say. |
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