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"Me same out ....Jane was remain says now ...deffo out" Which deal do you prefer? The Boris deal or no deal?? | |||
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"I don't vote however observing from the sidelines and seeing what a cluster fuck Parliament has made of the last three years plus of a referendum result, the way the negotiations have taken place, the EUs stance in negotiations. " Out of interest, what stance? They agreed a deal with May. A deal which is superior to the one on offer. The only reason that didn't go through is that it didn't serve the interests of the ERG and its unlikely that any deal would be good enough for the remain MPs. | |||
"Still only 2 who would change their vote at this point. " But a lot of people that are saying no they wouldnt change voted remain. So why would they want to change? I was a leaver and now i would vote 100% remain. Its the only way we can get back onto focusing on other more important issues straight away. Any type of brexit deal or no deal brexit will be dominating and taking up years of mps time and energy just like the last 3 years. Article 50 needs to be revoked and lets get back on track with the real issues in the country. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT." Just keep extending the Brexit date that's good to us. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT." Calm down, we will leave when we get this amazing deal we were promised. Why are you in such a hurry  | |||
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"All this shit is because the referendum was deeply flawed and the politicians knew it and are trying to bend the result to meet their ends. It's obvious really isn't it ? If you remove the politics from the referendum you can see there were 3 basic choices and we only got 2 of them. No wonder it is such a Fiasco. And The peoples vote wally bangers want another one like it. It absolutely makes my blood boil. I feel like that Harry Enfield character with the big bushy eyebrows that blows his cheeks in and out whenever the B word is mentioned LOL. " It's Angry Frank | |||
"Still only 2 who would change their vote at this point. But a lot of people that are saying no they wouldnt change voted remain. So why would they want to change? I was a leaver and now i would vote 100% remain. Its the only way we can get back onto focusing on other more important issues straight away. Any type of brexit deal or no deal brexit will be dominating and taking up years of mps time and energy just like the last 3 years. Article 50 needs to be revoked and lets get back on track with the real issues in the country." Not to attack you in any way. But why have you changed your mind? We don't know anything now that we knew 3 or 4 years ago. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT." | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT. "So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT. "Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ?? | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc."They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant. | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant."So you give a simple answer to a complex problem and think you have nailed it eh? Well I somehow think that none of the British governments of recent times would have invested in those areas in the same way the EU has which is why I was asking the lady from Cornwall her opinion not yours  | |||
"Calm down, we will leave when we get this amazing deal we were promised. Why are you in such a hurry "So he can watch the mayhem unfold from the Patya hotel he spends his winters in... | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant."100% agree | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant.100% agree "Which deal did you vote for in 2016? | |||
"They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant." That's all that happens with any taxation system. So, with the above in mind, are you suggesting that all taxation should be scrapped? If so maybe you can point to some human advance that was made without some form of collectivism (taxation is the simplest form of collectivism, all contribute to the pot through tax and the result is then applied for the common good) driving it? | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ?? "yeah, I am under 50 and voted leave. | |||
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"They have simply given us our own money back, and called it an EU grant. That's all that happens with any taxation system. So, with the above in mind, are you suggesting that all taxation should be scrapped? If so maybe you can point to some human advance that was made without some form of collectivism (taxation is the simplest form of collectivism, all contribute to the pot through tax and the result is then applied for the common good) driving it?" destroyed the left wing labour party do not think ou intended that lol | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
Is there anyone on here under 50 that voted to leave ?? yeah, I am under 50 and voted leave."There is one of you | |||
"destroyed the left wing labour party do not think ou intended that lol" You really are the epitome of a forelock tugging village idiot. You cheer when those who would return you to serfdom win a battle and you cheer when those who have won you every freedom you have loose. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc."Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion. | |||
"No ! Except I’m more certain of wanting to leave than ever ! Yes No Deal !!! Preferable ! " Why not The Boris deal? | |||
"No You didn’t vote "Doesn’t mean I haven’t changed my mind | |||
"No You didn’t vote
Doesn’t mean I haven’t changed my mind
"Ah, tbh I have changed my mind a few times | |||
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"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote. Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country" Agreed .. don't vote don't moan if you don't like the outcome | |||
"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote. Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country Agreed .. don't vote don't moan if you don't like the outcome" Thankfully we don't yet live in a totalitarian fascist state. Political dissent is still legal. And we will continue to speak out weather we voted or not. Feel free to tow the line of those in power who label dissent as "moaning". But it won't stop us from speaking up. | |||
"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote. Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country" Why aren't the leave voters to blame? They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described. Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility. | |||
"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office " Lol The referendum was in 2016. The MPs were elected in 2017. People voted them into office. Your frustration may be understandable, but your solution is an affront to democracy. | |||
"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office Lol The referendum was in 2016. The MPs were elected in 2017. People voted them into office. Your frustration may be understandable, but your solution is an affront to democracy. " This | |||
"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote. Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country Why aren't the leave voters to blame? They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described. Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility." As long as people keep attaching "blame", then the Country will find it difficult to move on. | |||
"I don't blame the leave or remain voters for the mess brexit is in. I blame in equal measure the politicians and those of the general public who could not be arsed to vote. Also whether it be a referendum or election if you don't vote you invalidate your veiw on the political state of the country Why aren't the leave voters to blame? They specifically voted for this. We're told in excruciating detail what would happen if leave won. It's currently happening as described. Leaver keep saying "we know what we voted for". So they should take responsibility. As long as people keep attaching "blame", then the Country will find it difficult to move on. " I was replying to the poster who was talking about blame. And in general I agree, we should all be trying to come together to fix this shit. But we're too far down the brexit toilet, and as evidence in this thread, people are still cheering on the UKs race to the bottom. | |||
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"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true." Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life. Mean more than. The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives. | |||
"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true. Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life. Mean more than. The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives." | |||
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"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true. Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life. Mean more than. The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives." I have to say that pretty much sums up the difference between some leave voters and most remain supporters, | |||
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"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire." Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? | |||
"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true. Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life. Mean more than. The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives." And nothing to do with the fact that seasonal fruit and veg pickers will always go where they get paid the most. Wages are better now in other EU countries, improved tax breaks, and coupled with a worse exchange rate, has made for the UK not being particularly attractive this year. | |||
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"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? " no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff?" No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? | |||
"Plenty of seasonal workers where I am still and no rotten stuff laying around either and I live in one of the most agricultural areas of the country so am not quite sure if your statement is factually true. Information, facts, statistics and what's actually going on in real life. Mean more than. The opinion of some bloke on the internet after he looked into a field near where he lives. And nothing to do with the fact that seasonal fruit and veg pickers will always go where they get paid the most. Wages are better now in other EU countries, improved tax breaks, and coupled with a worse exchange rate, has made for the UK not being particularly attractive this year. " Yes. This is the kind of conversation we should be happening. Instead of debating Whether reality is real or not. There needs to be debate about why things are happening. And what to do about them. | |||
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"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office " By what mechanism? | |||
"Nope not changed my mind. Voted remain. Would again. I have looked at as many aspects to leaving as I can and haven't found a single reason to leave. Nothing improves the status we had. The three pillars of Brexit have all been proven wrong. We've always had sovereignty Immigration is a benefit The economy won't be better off" The Pillars of Brexit are Tax avoidance for the ultra rich The removal of EU red tape in the form of workers rights, environmental protection, food safety standards Crashing to economy and the pound for the benefit of those who currency trade and short sterling (Rees Mogg, Johnson etc) The weakening of Europe and the UK (Russia's pillar) Opening the UK market for an absolute killing (America's pillar) | |||
"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office By what mechanism? " There aren't any policies to prevent us leaving. What's this about? | |||
"We voted leave so any MP trying to disrespect the vote and trying to implement policies to prevent us leaving should be removed from office By what mechanism? There aren't any policies to prevent us leaving. What's this about?" I guessed they were referring to things like the Benn Act etc | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? " ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit." I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical... | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical... "No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical... No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first"File under unicorns then as seeing is believing... | |||
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"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical... No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first
File under unicorns then as seeing is believing... "oh I knew what u meant just no point in replying really, you are referring to Brexit, I was disputing that produce is going rotten cos everyone has gone bk home or somewhere else, there is lots of unicorns in both the leave and remain brexit arguments in my opinion. | |||
"Leavers are in complete denial . Large multinational companies are pulling out. Tens of thousands of jobs have already gone with more to follow. Seasonal workers didn’t turn up this year meaning fruit and veg has rotted as its not been picked. The country is a laughing stock. People downright despise each other . Output has fallen to the point now where there is practically zero growth. Our currency will never recover. And this is only the start. If it’s taken this long to agree terms to leave , it’s gonna take even longer to agree a trade deal and implement it. For what?. To take our country back ? ( whatever that means). To secure our borders ? Huh?. All because the thick masses were persuaded by the vote leave bus banner. People , as a pack , are generally stupid and Brexit has proved it. When the media travel around the country ( particularly up north) and ask the man on the street what they think about the present situation , their remarks says it all really. Plain fucking dumb idiots." so what your saying is ppl in the north are plain fucking dumb idiots then so the next referendum maybe should be ppl in the south just vote after all us fucking dumb idiots don’t deserve a vote we are all to thick lmao right me rants over off to feed me pigeons walk me whippet with me flat cap on and peaspudding sarnie wrapped up in me newspaper aye it’s grim up norrrrth | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion. "I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice. | |||
" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit." "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20 | |||
" I guessed they were referring to things like the Benn Act etc" The Benn Act does not prevent the UK from exiting the EU | |||
"Say what you like but there is no rotten fruit or vedge left in the fields here an still plenty of workers, maybe different elsewhere but it IS fact in Norfolk an east Lincolnshire. Fact?? Have you checked every field in Norfolk and Lincolnshire? no obviously not all but have you or the other person who commented before? Is there fields near you full of rotten stuff? No I haven’t, but neither have I stated it as fact ? If you are going to make claims then at least try and back them up with real facts ? ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. I’m looking out a window now and I can’t see any giraffes.Maybe the are mythical... No cant say I have seen any of them either funny enough, didn't think they used giraffes for fruit and vedge harvesting in this country but guess always a first
File under unicorns then as seeing is believing... oh I knew what u meant just no point in replying really, you are referring to Brexit, I was disputing that produce is going rotten cos everyone has gone bk home or somewhere else, there is lots of unicorns in both the leave and remain brexit arguments in my opinion."Well there was an interview on radio 4 yesterday with a major fruit and veg packer and distributor who said there is a huge shortage of migrant seasonal workers (7000 was the figure I believe) and that this would most likely be reflected in the price and availability of food around Christmas time with particular shortages in hand finished items such as pigs in blankets which cannot be machine made. Happy Brexit Christmas one and all..... | |||
" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20" well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours. | |||
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" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours." All news paper have a bias. But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc Vs Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field. | |||
" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours. All news paper have a bias. But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc Vs Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field." are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement | |||
" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours." Firstly, I am not a farmer. Secondly, these articles contain interviews with farmers, producers and the NFU. Thirdly, none of the articles have been corrected. Which leads me to believe there is substance to the headlines, "The National Farmers’ Union found there was an overall 18% shortfall in the number of agricultural workers in August, even though businesses had tried to head off difficulties by recruiting up to 25% more people than usual. "Ali Capper, the chair of the NFU’s horticultural board, said she expected the shortfall to rise to at least 29% in September. She added that two or three businesses collapsed last month because of the problems." | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.
I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice. "And there's the key word. CHOICE. I don't have to justify my reasons, or the way I think to you or anyone else on this thread. Illogical to you or not. Try picking an argument with someone else, it won't work with me. | |||
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" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours. All news paper have a bias. But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc Vs Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field.are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement "I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on. I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle. | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.
I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice.
And there's the key word. CHOICE. I don't have to justify my reasons, or the way I think to you or anyone else on this thread. Illogical to you or not. Try picking an argument with someone else, it won't work with me. "You can understand why people are angry with leave voters and ask "why"? If it was only leave voters who would suffer from Brexit. That would be fine. But it's the whole country that's bring ruined for no good reason. I'm not suggesting that you personally should answer. But I can understand why people ask, and why people are pissed off. | |||
"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.
I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice.
And there's the key word. CHOICE. I don't have to justify my reasons, or the way I think to you or anyone else on this thread. Illogical to you or not. Try picking an argument with someone else, it won't work with me.
You can understand why people are angry with leave voters and ask "why"?
If it was only leave voters who would suffer from Brexit. That would be fine. But it's the whole country that's bring ruined for no good reason.
I'm not suggesting that you personally should answer. But I can understand why people ask, and why people are pissed off."Some leave voters don’t care about the consequences of Brexit, they just want to leave no matter what so they can say they ‘won’. They tend to be the older generation that are just trying to ‘stay relevant’ | |||
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"Looks like this thread is turning into a witch hunt against the leave voters. I'm out. Not needed and nothing to do with the OP whatsoever. "You don’t care though?? | |||
"Looks like this thread is turning into a witch hunt against the leave voters. I'm out. Not needed and nothing to do with the OP whatsoever. "Exit through the gift shop and pick up something Brexity for Brexmas. | |||
" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours. All news paper have a bias. But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc Vs Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field.are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement
I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on.
I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle. "says it all really, you live in a city an I live in one of the most agricultural an rural parts of the country yet you immediately just discount what I said straight away,and I never said it was enough information, I merely stated that is not what I see in my area around me, not just out of the window as you put it, and when I asked you to back up your information so that I could enlighten myself you just chose to try and insult instead yet not once did i try to do the same to you, such a shame that's how things are on here, nobody seems to have any tolerance towards a differing point of view, they just shout people down all the while. | |||
" Well there was an interview on radio 4 yesterday with a major fruit and veg packer and distributor who said there is a huge shortage of migrant seasonal workers (7000 was the figure I believe) and that this would most likely be reflected in the price and availability of food around Christmas time with particular shortages in hand finished items such as pigs in blankets which cannot be machine made. Happy Brexit Christmas one and all..... "No Pigs in Blankets, for Christmas. We're all doomed Capt Mainwaring, we're all doomed. But, wait, maybe the BBC, will put a new Cookery program on, "Celebrity, Pigs in Blankets" show | |||
" ok well it is a fact then the the 50 or so fields that I pass every day on my travels have no rotten fruit or vedge in an still have people working on them too, so wherever the other statement that they all rotten came from is simply not true, I also note no facts were given to back that statement up but you happily accept it because it fits with your view on brexit. "Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected" - Daily Mail, October 19 "Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers" - Guardian, October 11 "Millions of apples left to rot as EU pickers stay away" - The Times, Oct 20well the daily mail, the Times and the guardian must be right then, is that what u are saying? You are sure they are not biased in there statements? As I stated I will believe what I see with my own eyes an that is not the case here where I am but maybe in other areas of the country this is true, but personally I think nearly all news outlets sprout propaganda that fits there own narrative and as such should be maybe taken with a pinch of salt, but that's just my opinion, just as you have yours. All news paper have a bias. But in this instance were looking at information, news paper reports, people working on farms etc etc Vs Some bloke on the internet who looked into a field.are you? You don't provide any proof from where you got your information,where did you find this so I can read up an see? the other OP quoted 3 newspaper head lines but you just resort to "some bloke looking in a field" but offer nothing else to back up your statement
I think you're confusing me with someone who looks into a field and decides thats enough information right there to base my views on.
I live in a city, so I don't have the luxury of an all knowing field based oracle. says it all really, you live in a city an I live in one of the most agricultural an rural parts of the country yet you immediately just discount what I said straight away,and I never said it was enough information, I merely stated that is not what I see in my area around me, not just out of the window as you put it, and when I asked you to back up your information so that I could enlighten myself you just chose to try and insult instead yet not once did i try to do the same to you, such a shame that's how things are on here, nobody seems to have any tolerance towards a differing point of view, they just shout people down all the while."I'm not insulting you. I'm just making fun of the general situation we find ourselves in when people disregard information and say it's not true for nonspecific reason other than looking into a field. Which is what you said. It's a good metaphor for people trying to debate the facts around things like climate change, creationism, Brexit being shit etc. When should be debating what do to about what we know. It's just falling for the right wing corporate agenda. Distracting people by sewing seeds of doubt. And if you really cared about finding out the truth of the lack of migrant labour during the fruit and veg picking season, you would do more than peer into some fields and ask some randomers on a forum. | |||
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"It was a Referendum. I voted to Leave. So did 17.4 million others. Accept the Result, and get us OUT.
So do you think on balance that all the money the EU has invested in Cornwall was a mistake? I wonder what your position is about all the development money they have invested in infrastructure projects etc.
Cornwall isn't the only place that's had money invested. Why aren't you asking people from other areas instead of just singling me out? I gave the OP an answer and my opinion.
I am asking you because I would like to know what your opinion is. In previous threads I have asked people from south wales and have not received a coherent argument as to why they chose to vote leave other than that they made an emotional choice based on the crap they were being fed. Its not personal I just am trying to understand why you made an illogical choice.
And there's the key word. CHOICE. I don't have to justify my reasons, or the way I think to you or anyone else on this thread. Illogical to you or not. Try picking an argument with someone else, it won't work with me. "I’m sorry if you think you’re the victim of a witch hunt on here but, it is the politics forum and if you put a viewpoint forward you should be able to back it up with a coherent argument as to why you think that way. I have no idea why you like the idea of brexit and I genuinely would like to know if you think the EU investment in Cornwall as in Wales and other areas has been a good thing or not. I seriously doubt that the savings, if there are any, that we get from leaving the EU will be spent on regional development in the same way by Westminster but thats just my opinion. None of this is personal, its just debate, whether that is informed or otherwise, and I certainly don't set out with the intention to upset anyone or allow them to feel victimised - it’s just adult discourse is all. | |||
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"More determined than ever to leave EU " Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? | |||
"More determined than ever to leave EU " Absolutely | |||
"More determined than ever to leave EU Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? " I want OUT... End of | |||
"More determined than ever to leave EU Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? " I would rather we left with a deal. . But a certain fixed leave date has to be respected, if a favourable deal hasn't been reached at that cut off time then I think we should have left without a deal. . . What incentive does it give the EU negotiators to offer us a good deal now that parliament has ruled no deal cannot be taken? To me it's negotiation suicide. | |||
"More determined than ever to leave EU Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? I want OUT... End of " What does OUT? Mean? Are you a Boris fan or a Farage fan? | |||
"More determined than ever to leave EU Which deal do you want? The Boris deal ? Or no deal? I would rather we left with a deal. . But a certain fixed leave date has to be respected, if a favourable deal hasn't been reached at that cut off time then I think we should have left without a deal. . . What incentive does it give the EU negotiators to offer us a good deal now that parliament has ruled no deal cannot be taken? To me it's negotiation suicide. " No deal would be a minor inconvenience for the EU. So it's only a minor card we would hold in any negotiations. Before the referendum, it was estimated that it would take around five years. And I think they should have made a realistic effort to get it done within that time frame. All the bollocks that came out about it being easy and quick should have been ignored and they should have tried to be realistic. | |||
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