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So if we finally leave the EU at the end of the month, what laws are people looking forward to us taking back control of?
Will, for example, knife crime be eliminated when we are allowed to make it a crime? |
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Bring back the pillories for politicians...
All to spend a day in the stocks in their constituency for every time they fail to attend parliament without good reason (supplementing their MP's gallery doing a second job is not a good reason) or are caught sleeping in the chamber. Special pillories to be set up in Parliament Sq that all ministers have to spend 1 day a month in (just on principle).
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen. |
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I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen."
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who?? "
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong. |
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen."
Yeah what an amazing idea, oh damn! But then that means the guy who was on the run for several years (latterly in Romania) and was finally caught last month, who killed a young guy for no fucking reason in a pub one night wouldn't have been brought back here to face justice. Oops, your new law idea may be gash.
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong."
I had a look mate, back away slowly, honestly it'll work out better. Lynda et Al were snake oil (cures all ills including lupus cancer autism and itchy nose) salespeople. They made a shitload of these "proteins" with no pharmaceutical licence sold them illegally to about 50 countries. It had 0 actual health value and they claimed "wonder cures" and hooked in gullible people by saying "big pharma" wanted to shut them down. Big pharma didn't actually care what these idiotic charlatans did, big pharma makes its money regardless, however people who used their product and got ill complained and the French police took an interest. Also, a lot of their support network seems to be comprised of anti vaxxers or right wing activists....
*God bless Google, Snopes and France's habit of making court papers available on the internet.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen."
The European Arrest Warrant is not an automatic right of extradition.
It can be denied. Being arrested is not abduction anymore than being deported for any other reason is.
EU courts are not "kangaroo" anymore than ours are other than with the possible exception of Poland and Hungary with their interference with the judiciary.
It is one of the reasons why our criminals can't just go and live openly on Spain anymore.
Any other laws that you don't like? Perhaps you'd care to at least use Wikipedia after looking at your conspiracy sites. |
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
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And after reading the court papers do you really think her arrest is totally unjustified? |
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong."
I must admit that I didn't realise we were subject to European Laws which meant we could be abducted, tried in kangaroo courts, and deemed to be guilty until proven innocent. That does sound pretty serious.
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So are we supposed to believe Lynda created a miracle cure for cancer, it had been used successfully on 100% of patients, and this resulted in a conspiracy involving the EU, the French authorities and ”big pharma”, leading to her wrongful arrest, abduction and imprisonment?
Seriously? |
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"So are we supposed to believe Lynda created a miracle cure for cancer, it had been used successfully on 100% of patients, and this resulted in a conspiracy involving the EU, the French authorities and ”big pharma”, leading to her wrongful arrest, abduction and imprisonment?
Seriously?"
According to her No.1 fan on here, yes. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong.
I must admit that I didn't realise we were subject to European Laws which meant we could be abducted, tried in kangaroo courts, and deemed to be guilty until proven innocent. That does sound pretty serious.
And you are absolutely sure about this being the case?"
I'm sure this is the case, as it appears to be what has happened.
I'm still unsure as to what she herself has supposedly done wrong.
I believe in democracy so you are free to believe as you see it, I'll try to keep to the facts.
The facts are that Lynda Thyer is a biochemist who worked for ImmunoBiotech. She was recently essentially grabbed of the streets under the EU arrest warrant and that's the last anyone saw of her in the UK; the court got facts and details wrong, seemingly on purpose and she is now in the worst jail in Europe where no-one can currently contact her after initially being allowed to. Protesting has been happening to have her freed. What's dim about that?
I'm guessing if you look Lyn Thyer up you're only reading from official sources and their side, but probably not hearing anything she has had to say herself. I would caution there is more than one side to every story and it's not good to just read what a BBC article claims then have a mind solidly made up on that. The articles tend to tell you what people said when they actually haven't and don't tend to include actual quotes from the person, poor reporting.
As to the user who sent me what was supposed to be a fairly insulting PM, then blocked me, that looks like quite a cowardly thing to do but is hardly a bother.
No-one claimed GcMaf is a 'miracle cure', just that it's highly effective compared to the standard "We can cut you (surgery), we can burn you (radio) or we can poison you (chemo)" and no-one behind GcMaf says you should stop those life saving treatments, and you should consult a professional first.
GcMaf is also not currently effective on leukemia though it's claimed they could have got there by now if not for being shut down.
If anyone is bringing 'big pharma' (GSK and friends) and the MHRA into it, well ok. But the MHRA also need to be scrutinised and questioned and made to explain their reasons for stopping GcMaf being developed and brought to market. GcMaf is not a chemical treatment but made from a protein in the human body, so I'm not sure how valid claims are "it doesn't work".
Anyway, that's probably a thread derailed but I was only talking about Lyn Thyers' arrest. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong.
I must admit that I didn't realise we were subject to European Laws which meant we could be abducted, tried in kangaroo courts, and deemed to be guilty until proven innocent. That does sound pretty serious.
And you are absolutely sure about this being the case?
I'm sure this is the case, as it appears to be what has happened.
I'm still unsure as to what she herself has supposedly done wrong.
I believe in democracy so you are free to believe as you see it, I'll try to keep to the facts.
The facts are that Lynda Thyer is a biochemist who worked for ImmunoBiotech. She was recently essentially grabbed of the streets under the EU arrest warrant and that's the last anyone saw of her in the UK; the court got facts and details wrong, seemingly on purpose and she is now in the worst jail in Europe where no-one can currently contact her after initially being allowed to. Protesting has been happening to have her freed. What's dim about that?
I'm guessing if you look Lyn Thyer up you're only reading from official sources and their side, but probably not hearing anything she has had to say herself. I would caution there is more than one side to every story and it's not good to just read what a BBC article claims then have a mind solidly made up on that. The articles tend to tell you what people said when they actually haven't and don't tend to include actual quotes from the person, poor reporting.
As to the user who sent me what was supposed to be a fairly insulting PM, then blocked me, that looks like quite a cowardly thing to do but is hardly a bother.
No-one claimed GcMaf is a 'miracle cure', just that it's highly effective compared to the standard "We can cut you (surgery), we can burn you (radio) or we can poison you (chemo)" and no-one behind GcMaf says you should stop those life saving treatments, and you should consult a professional first.
GcMaf is also not currently effective on leukemia though it's claimed they could have got there by now if not for being shut down.
If anyone is bringing 'big pharma' (GSK and friends) and the MHRA into it, well ok. But the MHRA also need to be scrutinised and questioned and made to explain their reasons for stopping GcMaf being developed and brought to market. GcMaf is not a chemical treatment but made from a protein in the human body, so I'm not sure how valid claims are "it doesn't work".
Anyway, that's probably a thread derailed but I was only talking about Lyn Thyers' arrest."
By "essentially grabbed off the street" you mean arrested like any other suspected criminal I take it
You may be surprised to know that selling an unlicensed medicine is a criminal offence.
It can apparently "cure" cancer, HIV and autism. Wow!
Why not try looking it up on the Cancer Research UK website?
The National Autism Society?
All too "biased" I suppose. The papers have been retracted as the studies cannot be replicated.
Do you only believe what is denied by the media and the scientific and legal communities? |
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"Aw I pressed post but didn't mean to.
I want to get rid of the European Arrest Warrant, so as to avoid innocent people who haven't done anything wrong being 'napped and extradited without proper due process then dumped in a kangaroo court abroad before being unceremoniously thrown in jail - as does actually happen.
When, where and who??
One example I mentioned is Lynda Thyer. She's currently in Fleury Merogis Prison in France, the worst prison in Europe.
Protests have been ongoing to have her freed, including at Labour and Conservative headquarters. This wasn't enough to warrant any mention in the media as they were busy covering the revellers partying and raving on the bridge and no doubt leaving rubbish and filth behind (funny way to act given the seriousness of their claims).
No evidence is required. Guilty until proven innocent. This is possible due to European law.
I'll see if I can find out more about what Lynda Thyer supposedly did wrong.
I must admit that I didn't realise we were subject to European Laws which meant we could be abducted, tried in kangaroo courts, and deemed to be guilty until proven innocent. That does sound pretty serious.
And you are absolutely sure about this being the case?
I'm sure this is the case, as it appears to be what has happened.
I'm still unsure as to what she herself has supposedly done wrong.
I believe in democracy so you are free to believe as you see it, I'll try to keep to the facts.
The facts are that Lynda Thyer is a biochemist who worked for ImmunoBiotech. She was recently essentially grabbed of the streets under the EU arrest warrant and that's the last anyone saw of her in the UK; the court got facts and details wrong, seemingly on purpose and she is now in the worst jail in Europe where no-one can currently contact her after initially being allowed to. Protesting has been happening to have her freed. What's dim about that?
I'm guessing if you look Lyn Thyer up you're only reading from official sources and their side, but probably not hearing anything she has had to say herself. I would caution there is more than one side to every story and it's not good to just read what a BBC article claims then have a mind solidly made up on that. The articles tend to tell you what people said when they actually haven't and don't tend to include actual quotes from the person, poor reporting.
As to the user who sent me what was supposed to be a fairly insulting PM, then blocked me, that looks like quite a cowardly thing to do but is hardly a bother.
No-one claimed GcMaf is a 'miracle cure', just that it's highly effective compared to the standard "We can cut you (surgery), we can burn you (radio) or we can poison you (chemo)" and no-one behind GcMaf says you should stop those life saving treatments, and you should consult a professional first.
GcMaf is also not currently effective on leukemia though it's claimed they could have got there by now if not for being shut down.
If anyone is bringing 'big pharma' (GSK and friends) and the MHRA into it, well ok. But the MHRA also need to be scrutinised and questioned and made to explain their reasons for stopping GcMaf being developed and brought to market. GcMaf is not a chemical treatment but made from a protein in the human body, so I'm not sure how valid claims are "it doesn't work".
Anyway, that's probably a thread derailed but I was only talking about Lyn Thyers' arrest."
I can only echo the sentiment if the post above.
With all respect due, she was breaking the law in pushing an unlicenced drug; which has been shown not to be as effective as claimed; and papers suggesting it was gave been retracted.
I don't buy your argument this is all some sort of conspirational cover up. |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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Right now I have fuckbsll control of anything the UK does. If and when we leave I can clearly state I will have fuck all control of what the UK does.
This is a right wing ideology that wants to turn the UK into a low paid service country for the EU. The English upper and middle class make the money the working class are kept poor and die young.
The only people this works for are English upper class caplatist. The sooner the English lower middle and working class see through this mob the better, but they wont because the myth that they can somehow be like then prevails.
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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You assume so much about what I think. I've merely stated Lyn Thyer has been arrested under the EU arrest warrant and there have been protests as people believe she has hasn't done anything wrong. And I state what I know and is claimed about GcMaf.
This is silly, I'll have a go at the assuming role now: I suppose next thing, people will say a healthy diet and lifestyle being effective against cancer is ludicrous and dim too. Honestly.
I'm not surprised to know that selling an unlicensed medicine is a criminal offence. Even simply manufacturing it is a criminal offence. That's not necessarily the same as being morally wrong though in my book. I'm more interested in if it's effective. If it is, why should it be illegal?
So Lyn Thyer has been involved with the manufacture of a medicine, but it's because of MHRA red tape there's a problem. But what has she done that's so wrong?
Why, work on a natural product that has seemed to show effective results against tumour cancers. This shouldn't be a surprise since if it's true GcMaf is produced in the body as part of it's immune system to tackle things like cancer before it gets a hold, it shouldn't be too surprising that something that seems to act like a booster... could be effective against cancer.
The idea of the body's own immune system being debunked, as Cancer Research seem to suggest, sounds a bit off to me and not very scientific.
Cancer Research - perpetually using the money they get searching for that holy grail of a cure, but never ever getting there. As for Cancer Research and other official organisations like the MHRA, the 1939 Cancer Act is a laugh!
It's supposed to protect people from snake oil salesman such as fake faith healers etc which is good. However, it seems to go beyond that remit.
The 1939 Cancer Act is a UK law that could do with a revamp, because it forbids the promotion of cancer treatments not approved by the medical 'cartel' (for a better word) - even if it was hypothetically a miracle cure that provably works. Surely that's mad!
Distrusting official sources for the sake of it is as bad as just believing them at face value, but some questions need to be asked here. I can't just accept this and be ok with it. I have a fluid opinion about what might be the case but it's an opinion. I'd like more facts before taking too solid a stance cos it's a good way not to get it wrong!
Lynda Thyer, morally, shouldn't be in prison in any case in my view. Even the judge said it wasn't GcMaf on trial. It was the European Arrest Warrant that had her grabbed off the street and thrown in the worst jail going. Free her now and get rid of the EU Arrest Warrant. |
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"So if we finally leave the EU at the end of the month, what laws are people looking forward to us taking back control of?
Will, for example, knife crime be eliminated when we are allowed to make it a crime?"
Will we make knife crime a crime? What?! |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
I didn't say it was a conspiratorial cover up but I said legitimate questions should be asked, and one reason would be to eliminate the possibility of such a cover up.
What would happen if hypothetically someone did independently develop a highly effective treatment against most cancers?
Is it right that under the 1939 Cancer Act they would go to jail, even if it works, just because the MHRA didn't give their say so? That would not seem right.
Just for working on and trying to develop a treatment in good faith, to be thrown in jail, for 26 years if the MHRA get their way. Let that be a lesson. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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Really sorry for spam, but
Please DO read official sources, but it's good to be mindful they're one side of a story, and often don't include many full actual quotes from the people themselves. In my opinion and in experience, they can't always be relied upon to report things fully, truthfully and fairly.
I read official sources to help balance out and verify news I become aware of elsewhere. |
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"So if we finally leave the EU at the end of the month, what laws are people looking forward to us taking back control of?
Will, for example, knife crime be eliminated when we are allowed to make it a crime?"
I'm looking forward to stripping out the red tape associate with food safety standards so we can import hormone pumped meat and dairy.
Also looking forward to removing inconvenient red tape associated with working conditions and employment law.
But most of all I am looking forward to continuing to allow the most privaliged and rich in society to continue to avoid paying their taxes.
Rees Mogg for the win. |
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"So if we finally leave the EU at the end of the month, what laws are people looking forward to us taking back control of?
Will, for example, knife crime be eliminated when we are allowed to make it a crime?
Will we make knife crime a crime? What?!"
Yes. Haven’t you heard? Once we leave the EU we will be able to take back control of our laws. At the moment we are subject to silly EU laws, and don’t have any if our own laws. I assume this is a good thing so that we can make things illegal that should be, but are not because of those daft eejits in Brussels. |
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"So if we finally leave the EU at the end of the month, what laws are people looking forward to us taking back control of?
Will, for example, knife crime be eliminated when we are allowed to make it a crime?
I'm looking forward to stripping out the red tape associate with food safety standards so we can import hormone pumped meat and dairy.
Also looking forward to removing inconvenient red tape associated with working conditions and employment law.
But most of all I am looking forward to continuing to allow the most privaliged and rich in society to continue to avoid paying their taxes.
Rees Mogg for the win."
They are a bunch of interfering old wotsits aren’t they? All this nonsense about trying to make businesses and employers stick to minimum standards, when it would clearly be in everyone’s best interests if they could just do whatever the hell they liked! |
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"I didn't say it was a conspiratorial cover up but I said legitimate questions should be asked, and one reason would be to eliminate the possibility of such a cover up.
What would happen if hypothetically someone did independently develop a highly effective treatment against most cancers?
Is it right that under the 1939 Cancer Act they would go to jail, even if it works, just because the MHRA didn't give their say so? That would not seem right.
Just for working on and trying to develop a treatment in good faith, to be thrown in jail, for 26 years if the MHRA get their way. Let that be a lesson."
Legitimate questions have been asked. You just seem to be will fully ignoring the answers found, and conclusions drawn.
Your language gives you away. Whatever else, clearly she was not dragged off the street and just thrown in prison. |
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We all live in the matrix created by the the EU and Nigel(Neo) is the one who will break us free from the lizard people (illuminati).
Just type it into google and nothing will come up... why?? because the lefty loons own the internet.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"You assume so much about what I think. I've merely stated Lyn Thyer has been arrested under the EU arrest warrant and there have been protests as people believe she has hasn't done anything wrong. And I state what I know and is claimed about GcMaf.
This is silly, I'll have a go at the assuming role now: I suppose next thing, people will say a healthy diet and lifestyle being effective against cancer is ludicrous and dim too. Honestly.
I'm not surprised to know that selling an unlicensed medicine is a criminal offence. Even simply manufacturing it is a criminal offence. That's not necessarily the same as being morally wrong though in my book. I'm more interested in if it's effective. If it is, why should it be illegal?
So Lyn Thyer has been involved with the manufacture of a medicine, but it's because of MHRA red tape there's a problem. But what has she done that's so wrong?
Why, work on a natural product that has seemed to show effective results against tumour cancers. This shouldn't be a surprise since if it's true GcMaf is produced in the body as part of it's immune system to tackle things like cancer before it gets a hold, it shouldn't be too surprising that something that seems to act like a booster... could be effective against cancer.
The idea of the body's own immune system being debunked, as Cancer Research seem to suggest, sounds a bit off to me and not very scientific.
Cancer Research - perpetually using the money they get searching for that holy grail of a cure, but never ever getting there. As for Cancer Research and other official organisations like the MHRA, the 1939 Cancer Act is a laugh!
It's supposed to protect people from snake oil salesman such as fake faith healers etc which is good. However, it seems to go beyond that remit.
The 1939 Cancer Act is a UK law that could do with a revamp, because it forbids the promotion of cancer treatments not approved by the medical 'cartel' (for a better word) - even if it was hypothetically a miracle cure that provably works. Surely that's mad!
Distrusting official sources for the sake of it is as bad as just believing them at face value, but some questions need to be asked here. I can't just accept this and be ok with it. I have a fluid opinion about what might be the case but it's an opinion. I'd like more facts before taking too solid a stance cos it's a good way not to get it wrong!
Lynda Thyer, morally, shouldn't be in prison in any case in my view. Even the judge said it wasn't GcMaf on trial. It was the European Arrest Warrant that had her grabbed off the street and thrown in the worst jail going. Free her now and get rid of the EU Arrest Warrant."
Yawn.
Anyway, on the actual point you are looking forward to The opportunity to not being able to arrest criminals  |
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"So are we supposed to believe Lynda created a miracle cure for cancer, it had been used successfully on 100% of patients, and this resulted in a conspiracy involving the EU, the French authorities and ”big pharma”, leading to her wrongful arrest, abduction and imprisonment?
Seriously?"
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