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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Possibly a breakthrough in the Brexit negotiations but is this another false dawn.
Thoughts people. Even if we get a deal with the non democratic houses of parliament pass it?"
That's it isn't it.
No matter what Boris brings back "if anything" it's meaningless unless Parliament approve it and that's Boris's problem with having a -40 odd majority and Corbyn saying he will instruct his MP's to vote down basically whatever the Treaty may be.
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The sovereignty of parliament m - which was emphasized so much by the people wanting brexit, is important. As the PM has proven that he's untrustworthy, it's essential that parliament scrutinizes any proposal and votes on its acceptability.
I don't see that there is time and so it will run over. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
"So they're going down the 'Brexit in name only route' with an updated version of May's remain deal?
Yeah and all the Boris fanboys will love it  "
Ohh what's the point in that? 
Might as well remain rather than a pretence of leaving but still having the important control in Brussels, since that was the main point of leaving.
Boris isn't a leaver but he's definitely a better actor than May. I'd have thought they'd rather go down the delay-til-they-can-get-a-second-referendum route since that's worked previously. But maybe the increasing threat of peasants revolting if Oct 31st comes and goes has forced their hand into a pile of crap deal which will be called Brexit.
I doubt many people on either side voted for that. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
I totally forgot to say any deal would be Schrodinger's Brexit:
Simultaneously in the EU, and not in the EU. With no one happy except the 0.01% who still plan to get their mitts on our military.
Speaking of which, is it only recently that the British army are now wearing EU badges and the Union Jacks have gone?
The Union Jacks appear to still be there but the EU badge definitely takes precedence which I think says a lot. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I totally forgot to say any deal would be Schrodinger's Brexit:
Simultaneously in the EU, and not in the EU. With no one happy except the 0.01% who still plan to get their mitts on our military.
Speaking of which, is it only recently that the British army are now wearing EU badges and the Union Jacks have gone?
The Union Jacks appear to still be there but the EU badge definitely takes precedence which I think says a lot."
What utter conspiracy crap from last year.
From the UK Defence Journal:
"The Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) has confirmed to us that British soldiers in Bosnia have not changed their shoulder insignia, contrary to a wildly shared tweet from the ‘Veterans for Britain’ group. "
British troops have a blue berets and a UN insignia when we are serving with them. Disgusting subjugation of our right to be confused with one of the warring factions and get shot at.
Now, tell us about how vaccinations are a a bad thing. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
About 70 Conservative MPs say they will meet on Saturday to decide whether to support or object to their leader.
WTF?
Presumably, if they vote against their leader on such an important issue, Johnson will expel them, just as he did with 25 other Conservative MPs a few weeks ago?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I totally forgot to say any deal would be Schrodinger's Brexit:
Simultaneously in the EU, and not in the EU. With no one happy except the 0.01% who still plan to get their mitts on our military.
Speaking of which, is it only recently that the British army are now wearing EU badges and the Union Jacks have gone?
The Union Jacks appear to still be there but the EU badge definitely takes precedence which I think says a lot."
The Russians have got to you again, I see.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"DUP isn't backing the Boris deal, the chances to get it through parliament just got even smaller....
So the answer is 'No Brexit end in sight'. "
It's a Kobayashi Maru situation. Send for Captain Kirk 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So they're going down the 'Brexit in name only route' with an updated version of May's remain deal?
Yeah and all the Boris fanboys will love it
Ohh what's the point in that?
Might as well remain rather than a pretence of leaving but still having the important control in Brussels, since that was the main point of leaving.
Boris isn't a leaver but he's definitely a better actor than May. I'd have thought they'd rather go down the delay-til-they-can-get-a-second-referendum route since that's worked previously. But maybe the increasing threat of peasants revolting if Oct 31st comes and goes has forced their hand into a pile of crap deal which will be called Brexit.
I doubt many people on either side voted for that. "
People only voted to leave, Boris's deal will be leaving the EU, just like May's deal delivered on the referendum result to leave the EU but leavers don't want to leave with the looks of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I totally forgot to say any deal would be Schrodinger's Brexit:
Simultaneously in the EU, and not in the EU. With no one happy except the 0.01% who still plan to get their mitts on our military.
Speaking of which, is it only recently that the British army are now wearing EU badges and the Union Jacks have gone?
The Union Jacks appear to still be there but the EU badge definitely takes precedence which I think says a lot."
You need to stop watching YouTube |
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So basically we're back to the original withdrawal agreement of 2017. Northern Ireland effectively stays in the EU's custom union and we have a customs' border down the Irish Sea.
The DUP rejected that deal back then and are rejecting it again now. You've got to love these DUP guys. There whole rezidentura for backing BREXIT in the first place was the rather shortsighted believe that, in weakening the ties between the UK and the EU they would also weaken the ties between Belfast and Dublin leading to a strengthening of the ties between Belfast and London. It now seems ever more clearer that in fact BREXIT will weaken the ties between Belfast and London while strengthening the ties between Belfast and Dublin: Of course the DUP is going to oppose it.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu. "
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
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Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now. |
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"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now. "
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Ah, it's not the EU saying the EU has agreed a deal.
It's Boris Johnson saying the EU has agreed a deal.
Many a slip twixt cup and lip when you make the mistake of setting out the position of third parties, rather than setting out your own.
It's been the hallmark of Brekshit from day one - people declaring what others would do for them. |
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On the face of things this actually seems worse than May's deal. That had an element of maintaining regulatory alignment; Johnson's deal puts up trade barriers. And makes life a lot harder for business in NI.
But I imagine Brexiteers will try and spin it as a better deal because they like Johnson more than May, basically. |
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"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now. "
This is basically Theresa May's original deal. She had to change the whole of Ireland backstop to whole of uk one because of pressure from the DUP. This deal just like all the canada minus minus type deals will never get through parliament. |
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"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now. "
But "the deal" is the same deal May got back in 2017 and which Johnson, Davies, Mogg and the DUP rejected then. We could have had this deal two years ago. Why is it a good deal now but it wasn't a good enough deal back then? What's changed?
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now.
But "the deal" is the same deal May got back in 2017 and which Johnson, Davies, Mogg and the DUP rejected then. We could have had this deal two years ago. Why is it a good deal now but it wasn't a good enough deal back then? What's changed?
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They renamed it. That’s what’s changed. Brexiteers are easily duped after all.
-Matt |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now.
But "the deal" is the same deal May got back in 2017 and which Johnson, Davies, Mogg and the DUP rejected then. We could have had this deal two years ago. Why is it a good deal now but it wasn't a good enough deal back then? What's changed?
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Isn't that what politicians normally do, they reinvent the wheel. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The backstop has gone so not held in the eu.
Good News, then. After umpteen years of praying for magic to happen, the Brextremists must have a fix for the border and the Belfast Agreement.
Yeah good news for boris "the eu will never drop the backstop,he doesn't want a deal, he will never get one before the 17th" hes done all that up to parliament now.
But "the deal" is the same deal May got back in 2017 and which Johnson, Davies, Mogg and the DUP rejected then. We could have had this deal two years ago. Why is it a good deal now but it wasn't a good enough deal back then? What's changed?
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If you cannot work out for yourself what has changed you have not been following this very closely and really cant see why it bothers you at all if you are not prepared to. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It appears that all that's really changed is the termination mechanism for the backstop for Northern Ireland.
Whereas previously it could be terminated only with the joint agreement of the UK and the EU, it now appears to be a decision for Stormont once every four years.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It appears that all that's really changed is the termination mechanism for the backstop for Northern Ireland.
Whereas previously it could be terminated only with the joint agreement of the UK and the EU, it now appears to be a decision for Stormont once every four years.
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one point yes also NI is now in the uk customs union not tied to the eu,s. |
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"It appears that all that's really changed is the termination mechanism for the backstop for Northern Ireland.
Whereas previously it could be terminated only with the joint agreement of the UK and the EU, it now appears to be a decision for Stormont once every four years.
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And the way it is set up it will be virtually impossible for the DUP to terminate the backstop. They know this hence why they can never support this deal same as they could never support TM's original deal. |
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"It appears that all that's really changed is the termination mechanism for the backstop for Northern Ireland.
Whereas previously it could be terminated only with the joint agreement of the UK and the EU, it now appears to be a decision for Stormont once every four years.
one point yes also NI is now in the uk customs union not tied to the eu,s."
Northern ireland would in the UK Customs union but follow all the rules of the eu customs union and be oversaw by eu rules wise in regard to customs. So northern ireland would in the uk customs union in name only really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've got a horrible sense of deja-vue! British PM has tried to negotiate a good deal. Has to take it to House of Commons for approval. House of Commons majority is to remain in EU so will reject deal for whichever reason they give to make it seem as if they have British interests at heart and once again there will be stalemate.
Depressing crap! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"I've got a horrible sense of deja-vue! British PM has tried to negotiate a good deal. Has to take it to House of Commons for approval. House of Commons majority is to remain in EU so will reject deal for whichever reason they give to make it seem as if they have British interests at heart and once again there will be stalemate.
Depressing crap!"
They do have the British interests at heart. It is a crap deal. The best option is to remain as we won’t get a deal better than we have as a member.
-Matt |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-speech-britain-on-verge-of-historic-mistake-if-it-accepts-current-brexit-deal-says-a3999191.html
"If we wanted to do free trade deals, if we wanted to cut tariffs or vary our regulation, then we would have to leave Northern Ireland behind as an economic semi-colony of the EU and we would be damaging the fabric of the union," he said.
"With regulatory checks and even customs controls between GB and NI on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish sea that are already envisaged in the Withdrawal Agreement.
"No British Conservative government could or should sign up to anything of the kind, and so our answer at the moment is rather desperately to make sure the whole UK stays in the backstop with the EU having the power to decide whether or not we can ever leave and why should they?" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So with the looks of it Parliament either votes to accept the deal or have no extension and have no deal exit 31st
I'd love to say thank fuck but after so many times things have changed I won't hold my breath |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So with the looks of it Parliament either votes to accept the deal or have no extension and have no deal exit 31st
I'd love to say thank fuck but after so many times things have changed I won't hold my breath "
It will be the latest version of May's transition deal with a referendum.
It's just a transition deal. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
It is bewildering at this point, I'm reading there may finally be a vote on a second referendum. Farage is supporting a delay. Europe has said thats it, then Tusk says maybe not. Anyone from Northern Ireland could have told you about the DUP Sterling is up and down by the hour.
I guess that Theresa May sleeps soundly, probably laughs in her sleep. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is bewildering at this point, I'm reading there may finally be a vote on a second referendum. Farage is supporting a delay. Europe has said thats it, then Tusk says maybe not. Anyone from Northern Ireland could have told you about the DUP Sterling is up and down by the hour.
I guess that Theresa May sleeps soundly, probably laughs in her sleep. "
But Boris has got us a brilliant brand new deal? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Labour whip for the 2nd referendum amendment.
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labour can whip all they like there are labour m.ps now who know corbyn is on borrowed time so wont take any notice and will vote how they like who know he could lose a few more m.ps between now and the vote but then again dont know how many jewish m.ps they have left now. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Labour whip for the 2nd referendum amendment.
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yeah funny only the other day he was saying how we are are democratic party and party members make up their own minds.Seems corbyn is a liar now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The deal will go through with a second referendum amendment.Or it won’t go throughly all .Putting a bad deal to the people is what remain MPs want to do against remaining.
It’s a good end game strategy. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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But Boris has got us a brilliant brand new deal? "
The same deal that Johnson resigned from the Cabinet in protest at.
The only difference being that the backstop is now a permanent configuration, subject to consent in the North, not a temporary one.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The deal will go through with a second referendum amendment.Or it won’t go throughly all .Putting a bad deal to the people is what remain MPs want to do against remaining.
It’s a good end game strategy. "
It will be interesting to see but a GE is on the cards very soon and although a lot of mp,s want a second referendum i think the general public are pissed off with it and it could backfire on the ones who do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But Boris has got us a brilliant brand new deal?
The same deal that Johnson resigned from the Cabinet in protest at.
The only difference being that the backstop is now a permanent configuration, subject to consent in the North, not a temporary one.
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Boris will say anything to stay PM .He will throw anyone under the Brexit bus to survive as the DUP now know.
He’ll go back on anything he’s said before.His career is on the line and the prize of PM.Nothing else matters. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
""Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union"
- Boris Johnson, July 2, 2019
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I'm sure that he'll be reminded of all these words tomorrow in the HoC.
The Conservatives didn't help themselves this week, when one of the rebels, Antoinette Sandbach, was effectively deselected by her local association.
Withdrawing the whip from the 21 rebels could certainly be one of the stupidest moves ever!
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Varadkar and Macron now making noises about maybe not agreeing to an extension.
Seems the EU is doing all it can to help Boris Johnson!"
Their objective is an orderly exit, one that minimises the collateral damage.
They are less worried about an extension than they are about Johnson's determination to leave without or without an agreement.
A disorderly exit maximises the collateral damage.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
""Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our union"
- Boris Johnson, July 2, 2019
I'm sure that he'll be reminded of all these words tomorrow in the HoC.
The Conservatives didn't help themselves this week, when one of the rebels, Antoinette Sandbach, was effectively deselected by her local association.
Withdrawing the whip from the 21 rebels could certainly be one of the stupidest moves ever!
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think nearly all 21 have said they will back the deal.no one really thought they would side with corbyn did they? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"So what makes the latest "deal" better than May's deal?
Nothing makes his "deal" better, it's worse.
And MPs that voted against Mays deal are going to support this one"
Probably because boris has outwitted them, it's this deal or leave with no deal, even many remain MPs know that the public have had enough and those that vote against this deal will be responsible for leave with no deal on the 31st |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So what makes the latest "deal" better than May's deal?
Nothing makes his "deal" better, it's worse.
And MPs that voted against Mays deal are going to support this one
Probably because boris has outwitted them, it's this deal or leave with no deal, even many remain MPs know that the public have had enough and those that vote against this deal will be responsible for leave with no deal on the 31st"
So what makes the latest "deal" better than May's deal? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"So what makes the latest "deal" better than May's deal?
Nothing makes his "deal" better, it's worse.
And MPs that voted against Mays deal are going to support this one
Probably because boris has outwitted them, it's this deal or leave with no deal, even many remain MPs know that the public have had enough and those that vote against this deal will be responsible for leave with no deal on the 31st"
I dont think history will be kind to Boris or Jeremy. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Daily Mash summary:
Can anything stop Boris Johnson? Yes
18th October 2019
IS Boris Johnson, armed with a fresh Brexit deal the sceptics said he could never get, now unstoppable? Nah. Here’s why.
His massive unpopularity
The country’s loathing of Jeremy Corbyn, who last week was voted less popular than expressing your cat’s anal glands, has blinded many to the fact that Boris Johnson is himself less popular than stepping barefoot on Lego. This may prove a hindrance.
It requires the support of people who hate him
It’s not easy to get people who’ve despised you for years to help you, particularly if you’ve ruthlessly sacked them. Boris expects this help, but only because he is Britain’s most entitled man.
Everything he’s tried so far has failed
Returning from Europe with a bold new deal, giving nobody time to check the details and passing it on a Saturday is pure Boris theatre. Just like prorogation and all the other stuff that failed. Politics isn’t a Netflix show about politics where that crazy idea might just work.
Northern Ireland might matter
In a classic reverse ferret, Boris has moved from resigning over Northern Ireland to completely screwing Northern Ireland over within 15 months. The ERG may also be a problem here, although it’s hard to tell because they are hardcore nutters who call themselves ‘Spartans’ when they are in fact tubbies like Mark Francois.
He does rather mess things up
The prime minister does have a habit of unforced errors. The right-wing press has decided this doesn’t matter because he’s the new Trump, but that’s not working out for Trump right now. Giving a fruity American bird free taxpayer cash may backfire too. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
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think nearly all 21 have said they will back the deal.no one really thought they would side with corbyn did they?
And Boris will be so grateful he'll take back the P45s
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yep he probably will thats what politics is who is the better manipulator its not just the tories or boris who do this they all do it.just at the momment boris and the tories are better at playing the game |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
Well slap my knee and call me Bernard! It's looking like the UK could... leave... sort of.
So they rejected Treason's deal, which Farage made me laugh by saying it's the kind of deal you'd make if you lost a war, but they're accepting this one which I hear is worse? 
Something still isn't sitting quite right here. I think there could be a sting in the tail yet.
Also,
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***BREAKING NEWS***
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*Morse code style news bulletin music plays...*
Guy Verhofstadt aka Hitler (yes sorry I know it's cheap but he really does act and kinda looks a bit like him) said this on twitter:
"Since Trump became President, the US is not a reliable ally anymore. High time for a European Army to take matters in our hands." (sic)
Well I think if that wasn't settled before it should be now. Honestly I've banged that drum because it's true and based on real things people are saying and doing.
I'm still not aware of the EU army, or anything to do with it, ever being reported on the popular news. Quelle surprise. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Well slap my knee and call me Bernard! It's looking like the UK could... leave... sort of.
So they rejected Treason's deal, which Farage made me laugh by saying it's the kind of deal you'd make if you lost a war, but they're accepting this one which I hear is worse?
Something still isn't sitting quite right here. I think there could be a sting in the tail yet.
Also,
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***BREAKING NEWS***
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*Morse code style news bulletin music plays...*
Guy Verhofstadt aka Hitler (yes sorry I know it's cheap but he really does act and kinda looks a bit like him) said this on twitter:
"Since Trump became President, the US is not a reliable ally anymore. High time for a European Army to take matters in our hands." (sic)
Well I think if that wasn't settled before it should be now. Honestly I've banged that drum because it's true and based on real things people are saying and doing.
I'm still not aware of the EU army, or anything to do with it, ever being reported on the popular news. Quelle surprise."
Verhofstadt is one MEP.
There is no EU army.
Nobody would have to join one.
Priti Patel is the UK Home Secretary and supports the death penalty.
The death penalty does not exist in the UK.
Nobody has to introduce the death penalty.
Is that more or less likely to happen? |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
Though that helps, it's not just the wannabe Fuhrer who said that. Merkel's talked publicly about it too, though used the PC "EU military unification". Macron's pushing it hard too, and it's not hard to see why - he'd love to avail himself of an entire EU army to stamp out the peasants revolt.
A supporter replied on twitter
"Yep, great idea. Banding lots of small armies together leads to a stronger, more efficient and more diverse (militarily speaking) force that's better able to stand up to bullies."
It's also better able to BE a bully.
At least we've moved away from the EU army supposedly being a fantasy 'conspiracy theory'. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Though that helps, it's not just the wannabe Fuhrer who said that. Merkel's talked publicly about it too, though used the PC "EU military unification". Macron's pushing it hard too, and it's not hard to see why - he'd love to avail himself of an entire EU army to stamp out the peasants revolt.
A supporter replied on twitter
"Yep, great idea. Banding lots of small armies together leads to a stronger, more efficient and more diverse (militarily speaking) force that's better able to stand up to bullies."
It's also better able to BE a bully.
At least we've moved away from the EU army supposedly being a fantasy 'conspiracy theory'."
NATO is. Rubbish idea then?
We can be stronger militarily in our own or doing what the USA or China want?
Anyone can talk about an "EU" army in the same way.
There is already a coordinated command structure. That's what security cooperation is.
We still do not have to join anything.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well slap my knee and call me Bernard! It's looking like the UK could... leave... sort of.
So they rejected Treason's deal, which Farage made me laugh by saying it's the kind of deal you'd make if you lost a war, but they're accepting this one which I hear is worse?
Something still isn't sitting quite right here. I think there could be a sting in the tail yet.
Also,
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***BREAKING NEWS***
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*Morse code style news bulletin music plays...*
Guy Verhofstadt aka Hitler (yes sorry I know it's cheap but he really does act and kinda looks a bit like him) said this on twitter:
"Since Trump became President, the US is not a reliable ally anymore. High time for a European Army to take matters in our hands." (sic)
Well I think if that wasn't settled before it should be now. Honestly I've banged that drum because it's true and based on real things people are saying and doing.
I'm still not aware of the EU army, or anything to do with it, ever being reported on the popular news. Quelle surprise."
And to point it out yet again the European Union cannot force the UK into any European Union Army against our will if it ever became a serious possibility
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