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"Kurds, the most affective and trustworthy of western allies in the containment of ISIS in Syria, and backed by the US, are now losing that US support since Mr Trump, in a decision not supported by intelligence, military or the Pentagon, is removing US support and backing Turkey instead, the Kurds longtime enemy. This supports Turkey’s upscaling of their involvement in Syria and will garner the long hatred and mistrust of the Kurds to the West, Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands." This seems Crazy ! Wouldn’t trust Turkey as far as I could throw them ! Total betrayal ! | |||
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"Trump in trouble at home. Make a shit storm overseas. " could be a huge own goal ! Russia , China , turkey , Iran together ? Not sure the yanks would fancy that even with all the smart bombs ! | |||
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"Memory seems to tell me the Kurds are detaining some of the foreigners who went to join ISIS. " Memory serves you correctly ! I just don’t get this one ! | |||
"Trump in trouble at home. Make a shit storm overseas. could be a huge own goal ! Russia , China , turkey , Iran together ? Not sure the yanks would fancy that even with all the smart bombs !" He needs Turkey to cancel their Russian ground to air missile system contract. If they go ahead and buy, then the USA won't be able to sell the F35 to Turkey. | |||
"Trump in trouble at home. Make a shit storm overseas. could be a huge own goal ! Russia , China , turkey , Iran together ? Not sure the yanks would fancy that even with all the smart bombs ! He needs Turkey to cancel their Russian ground to air missile system contract. If they go ahead and buy, then the USA won't be able to sell the F35 to Turkey. " Exactly - its all about the dollar! | |||
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"The Kurds don't buy billions of $/£ worth of arms from the USA/Britain or supply the USA with military bases from which they can project power into Eastern Europe, Middle East, Caucasus and Southern Russia. So when it comes down to it, they will be thrown under the bus every time there is a conflict of interests with the military industrial complex. After all, as the song says: https://youtu.be/PIAXG_QcQNU" Exactly. Turkey is far too important a member of NATO for the USA to ever back the Kurds against them. It's just Realpolitik. | |||
" Exactly. Turkey is far too important a member of NATO for the USA to ever back the Kurds against them. It's just Realpolitik." I remember realising how stupid the geopolitics of Syria were when, the Kurds, armed by NATO, were bombed by the Turks, armed by NATO. And NATO just shrugged its shoulders. | |||
"I remember realising how stupid the geopolitics of Syria were when, the Kurds, armed by NATO, were bombed by the Turks, armed by NATO. And NATO just shrugged its shoulders. " I am disappointed in you Sara. What is stupid about arming everyone in a conflict? (Remember a lot (if not most) of the weapons used by ISIS were also originally supplied by NATO (USA in reality) to Saudi (the backer and quartermaster of ISIS). It's good business you know... OK I'll give you that it is amoral and repugnant to any right thinking person, but that's the global arms industry, and it really is making a killing in the Middle East. | |||
"Kurds, the most affective and trustworthy of western allies in the containment of ISIS in Syria, and backed by the US, are now losing that US support since Mr Trump, in a decision not supported by intelligence, military or the Pentagon, is removing US support and backing Turkey instead, the Kurds longtime enemy. This supports Turkey’s upscaling of their involvement in Syria and will garner the long hatred and mistrust of the Kurds to the West, Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands." This could be where the republican party decide that they need to get rid of him, If impeachment goes to the senate im sure mitch mconnell will vote impeachment. | |||
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"Kurds, the most affective and trustworthy of western allies in the containment of ISIS in Syria, and backed by the US, are now losing that US support since Mr Trump, in a decision not supported by intelligence, military or the Pentagon, is removing US support and backing Turkey instead, the Kurds longtime enemy. This supports Turkey’s upscaling of their involvement in Syria and will garner the long hatred and mistrust of the Kurds to the West, Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands."  have to sadly agree | |||
"The Kurds are the biggest ethnic group in the world without a homeland (about 14m) . Unfortunately for them the way the big powers drew the map of that area after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire they spread them across 4 different counties (Turkey ,Syria ,Iraq and Iran ) becoming a minority in all 4 countries . Unfortunately nobody gives a shit about them and because they are desperate they keep putting trust in anyone who comes along and promises them something in return for something else in the latest case to die fighting Isis and the other Islamic jihadists in Syria . They are mere pawns in the big powers chess game ." Kurds are wonderfull people although have not met many | |||
"Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands. " I suspect you are very wrong, it is may opinion that Trump is a traitor working to advance the interests of Russia and undermine Western alliances, interests and stability. His open undermining of what passes as democracy and his contempt for the US rule of law and separation of powers can only be explained by his being a puppet of the Kremlin. Even his trade wars, especially with China benefit Russia. | |||
"Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands. I suspect you are very wrong, it is may opinion that Trump is a traitor working to advance the interests of Russia and undermine Western alliances, interests and stability. His open undermining of what passes as democracy and his contempt for the US rule of law and separation of powers can only be explained by his being a puppet of the Kremlin. Even his trade wars, especially with China benefit Russia." Will you make me laugh if you ever write a book on your conspirisy theories I will buy it. | |||
"Will you make me laugh if you ever write a book on your conspirisy theories I will buy it." Really? In that case you will be able to name at least one policy that the Donald has enacted that has been beneficial to the West and has curbed Putin and The Kremlin's obvious expansionism. Name just 1 and I will withdraw my last statement. Of course if you can't I expect you will be equally willing to withdraw your allegation that I am some sort of conspiracy theorist and acknowledge that I am just observing Trumps actions, applying logic and reaching a conclusion that fits the facts. | |||
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"Reports that the Turks have started bombing the Kurds. Ethnic cleansing 2019." We will have to see how the god-president punishes the Turks economy if this is true. At a very minimum I would expect to see the Turkish Lira to tank and the people to rise up against Erdogan and his government to be overthrown. After all he of the "great and unmatched wisdom" has spoken. | |||
"Reports that the Turks have started bombing the Kurds. Ethnic cleansing 2019." Where did this news come from russia.  | |||
" Exactly. Turkey is far too important a member of NATO for the USA to ever back the Kurds against them. It's just Realpolitik. I remember realising how stupid the geopolitics of Syria were when, the Kurds, armed by NATO, were bombed by the Turks, armed by NATO. And NATO just shrugged its shoulders. " Well, quite. | |||
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"Reports that the Turks have started bombing the Kurds. Ethnic cleansing 2019.Where did this news come from russia. "From the world news he has already started murdering civilians | |||
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"Memory seems to tell me the Kurds are detaining some of the foreigners who went to join ISIS. " If this doesn't show the total folly of next get those ISIS British Citizen currently imprisoned by the Curds back home to face justice for their acts of terror and, where necessary, constant supervision. I sometimes wonder who's side people are actually on. | |||
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"It's not often my jaw drops. Trump, when asked why he had abandoned the Kurds, said: "They did not help us in the Second World War, they did not help us at Normandy." "This from draft dodging Trump, the fucking shit! | |||
"Will you make me laugh if you ever write a book on your conspirisy theories I will buy it. Really? In that case you will be able to name at least one policy that the Donald has enacted that has been beneficial to the West and has curbed Putin and The Kremlin's obvious expansionism. Name just 1 and I will withdraw my last statement. Of course if you can't I expect you will be equally willing to withdraw your allegation that I am some sort of conspiracy theorist and acknowledge that I am just observing Trumps actions, applying logic and reaching a conclusion that fits the facts. " No because you are never objective and you know that | |||
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"It's not often my jaw drops. Trump, when asked why he had abandoned the Kurds, said: "They did not help us in the Second World War, they did not help us at Normandy." ". Wait 'till Trump finds out we didn't help in Vietnam , there goes our great post Brexit deal ,,,, which ever God you believe in ( or even if you don't ) may I suggest you say a little prayer for The Kurds tonight , I suspect they may be in for a rough few days / weeks | |||
"It's not often my jaw drops. Trump, when asked why he had abandoned the Kurds, said: "They did not help us in the Second World War, they did not help us at Normandy." "I am glad someone put up the normandy quote because i am still stunned..... the more they are showing of this on US TV (and they are!) the more irate he is getting.... i wish that someone at the top had the balls the say no to this.... because this is the exactly situation that mattis resigned over... and kelly... and mcgirk there is no one in his orbit big enough or brave enough to tell him no, and thats the scariest bit of all... | |||
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"It's not often my jaw drops. Trump, when asked why he had abandoned the Kurds, said: "They did not help us in the Second World War, they did not help us at Normandy." "WTF!! Words fail me. | |||
"It's not often my jaw drops. Trump, when asked why he had abandoned the Kurds, said: "They did not help us in the Second World War, they did not help us at Normandy." "They didn’t even help defend the airports in The Revolutionary Wars, either. Least they could have done, I think..... | |||
"No because you are never objective and you know that" And there it is for all to see. You refuse to name a single action that contradicts my assertion because you can't, but even in that refusal you attack me again because you can't counter my assertion. You are so rabidly right wing that you support Trump's ultra right wing, white supremacist anti gay (and to him you are gay because you wear women's cloths) brand of fascism that would see your own kind locked up or exterminated. I really feel sorry for you, you are the epitome of a turkey voting for Christmas. | |||
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"That what buffer zones are about..... no moral involvement, only self interest." Are you really suggesting that the 'forming a buffer zone for refugees to live in' is anything other than a cover story to justify destroying the embryonic independent Kurdish homeland that now exists in Syria before it is able to combine with the semi-independent Kurdish homeland in Iraq? | |||
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"Kurds, the most affective and trustworthy of western allies in the containment of ISIS in Syria, and backed by the US, are now losing that US support since Mr Trump, in a decision not supported by intelligence, military or the Pentagon, is removing US support and backing Turkey instead, the Kurds longtime enemy. This supports Turkey’s upscaling of their involvement in Syria and will garner the long hatred and mistrust of the Kurds to the West, Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands. This seems Crazy ! Wouldn’t trust Turkey as far as I could throw them ! Total betrayal !" I’d never go to Turkey on holiday after watching Midnight Express | |||
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"What do Syria, Iran, Iraq , Saudi Arabia , Yemen , libya, Egypt, Tunisia and now Turkey have in common ?" How about: The indigenous populations are not WASP's, but are being fucked over by the most violent and violently WASP country in the world? Or: They are hot! Maybe something completely different, how about you tell us.  | |||
"No because you are never objective and you know that And there it is for all to see. You refuse to name a single action that contradicts my assertion because you can't, but even in that refusal you attack me again because you can't counter my assertion. You are so rabidly right wing that you support Trump's ultra right wing, white supremacist anti gay (and to him you are gay because you wear women's cloths) brand of fascism that would see your own kind locked up or exterminated. I really feel sorry for you, you are the epitome of a turkey voting for Christmas." wow thats a rant and a half. you got a real hard on for trumpy havent u lol | |||
"wow thats a rant and a half. you got a real hard on for trumpy havent u lol" Trump is what he is, but when I get told I am a conspiracy theorist by a TV who is constantly defending Trump and everything ultra right wing because he is unable to show a single action of Trump's that contradicts my observations, then I point out to said TV exactly who and what he is defending and their opinions about his right to exist. That you see my post as a rant shows that either you have either missed or ignored the context. | |||
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"wow thats a rant and a half. you got a real hard on for trumpy havent u lol Trump is what he is, but when I get told I am a conspiracy theorist by a TV who is constantly defending Trump and everything ultra right wing because he is unable to show a single action of Trump's that contradicts my observations, then I point out to said TV exactly who and what he is defending and their opinions about his right to exist. That you see my post as a rant shows that either you have either missed or ignored the context." . What have tranvestites got to do with this ?.? Lost sorry | |||
"What do Syria, Iran, Iraq , Saudi Arabia , Yemen , libya, Egypt, Tunisia and now Turkey have in common ? How about: The indigenous populations are not WASP's, but are being fucked over by the most violent and violently WASP country in the world? Or: They are hot! Maybe something completely different, how about you tell us. "Places I won’t be going on holiday - ever. I normally bank on having a good time and not returning in a coffin | |||
"saying he would lock up or exterminate tv.s is a bit of a rant.personaly he just a cock like 99% of politicians the all talk shit i doubt he even remembers what he said give mins after saying it" You may be right. | |||
"Places I won’t be going on holiday - ever. I normally bank on having a good time and not returning in a coffin" Ah! The voice of enlightened self-interest! | |||
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"How many US soldiers were pulled out? 50 apparently" It's not the number of troops, it's the type of troops and the political and military intent that was shown by embedding them with (and now withdrawing them from) the Kurd's. To be clear, they were 'Green Berets', the British equivalent would be 50 SAS troopers. | |||
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"How many US soldiers were pulled out? 50 apparently It's not the number of troops, it's the type of troops and the political and military intent that was shown by embedding them with (and now withdrawing them from) the Kurd's. To be clear, they were 'Green Berets', the British equivalent would be 50 SAS troopers. " I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS | |||
"Yes, the US financed and armed the Kurds. So long as those US boots were on the ground, Turkey was deterred. I believe the US troops were relocated south, beyond the zone targeted by Erdogan, after his call with Trump on Sunday. I have no idea what Trump's objective is. He appears to have no coherent strategy on any foreign policy." I believe you are wrong Sara, stop looking at details, step back and look at the big picture. Everything Trump has done has advanced Putin's agenda of destabilising Western alliances, undermining Western (especially US) intelligence services and democratic processes. | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS" Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS. | |||
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"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS." Erm.... how many years did u serve in SF? | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS." You have no idea what you are talking about | |||
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" I believe you are wrong Sara, stop looking at details, step back and look at the big picture. Everything Trump has done has advanced Putin's agenda of destabilising Western alliances, undermining Western (especially US) intelligence services and democratic processes. " Whether it is Erdogan threatening to expel 3.7 million Syrian refugees into Europe, or 11,000 IS fanatics being released from captivity in north Syria, the destabilising consequences for Europe are obvious. | |||
"The Kurds are holding 10,000 IS fanatics. The Kurds lost 11,000 fighters defeating ISIS (even though Trump says he alone defeated ISIS). The Kurds have small arms from NATO. Trump, the de facto head of NATO, pulls the NATO shield from the Kurds. Turkey, a member of NATO, now attacks the Kurds. Will the Kurds continue to deploy resources to the detention of the IS fanatics, or release them to defend against the Turks? Is NATO incompetent? " Yes very incompetent as is the UN | |||
"Yes very incompetent as is the UN" Yep, it is so incompetent it managed to destroy the Warsaw Pact without starting WW3. Unlike say, the USA's, competent, alliances of the willing and unilateral military actions such as in Vietnam and the Middle East. Personally, I wish we had a bit more of that NATO grade of incompetence. Yep, all things considered, you are probably right and NATO should be scrapped as it is clearly unfit for purpose. After all we really need more wars not less and a military alliance that stops wars just does not cut it. | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS. You have no idea what you are talking about" The United States Army Special Forces, colloquially known as the Green Berets due to their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force of the United States Army that are designed to deploy and execute nine doctrinal missions: unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, direct action, counter-insurgency, special reconnaissance, counter-terrorism, information operations, counterproliferation of weapon of mass destruction, and security force assistance via seven geographically focused groups. They are referred to as Tier 2 operators. The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, commonly referred to as Delta Force, Combat Applications Group, "The Unit", Army Compartmented Element, or within JSOC as Task Force Green, is an elite special operations force of the United States Army, under operational control of the Joint Special Operations Command. The unit is tasked with specialized missions primarily involving counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action, interdiction, and special reconnaissance against high-value targets. Delta Force and its Navy counterpart, DEVGRU (sometimes referred to as SEAL Team 6), are the U.S. military's primary Tier 1 Special Mission Units tasked with performing the most complex, classified, and dangerous missions directed by the National Command Authority. The Delta Force selection and training is based on that of the SAS as the officer who founded it (Charles Beckwith) had served on an exchange tour with the SAS. | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS. You have no idea what you are talking about The United States Army Special Forces, colloquially known as the Green Berets due to their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force of the United States Army that are designed to deploy and execute nine doctrinal missions: unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, direct action, counter-insurgency, special reconnaissance, counter-terrorism, information operations, counterproliferation of weapon of mass destruction, and security force assistance via seven geographically focused groups. They are referred to as Tier 2 operators. The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, commonly referred to as Delta Force, Combat Applications Group, "The Unit", Army Compartmented Element, or within JSOC as Task Force Green, is an elite special operations force of the United States Army, under operational control of the Joint Special Operations Command. The unit is tasked with specialized missions primarily involving counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action, interdiction, and special reconnaissance against high-value targets. Delta Force and its Navy counterpart, DEVGRU (sometimes referred to as SEAL Team 6), are the U.S. military's primary Tier 1 Special Mission Units tasked with performing the most complex, classified, and dangerous missions directed by the National Command Authority. The Delta Force selection and training is based on that of the SAS as the officer who founded it (Charles Beckwith) had served on an exchange tour with the SAS. " You are definitely better than google | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS. You have no idea what you are talking about The United States Army Special Forces, colloquially known as the Green Berets due to their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force of the United States Army that are designed to deploy and execute nine doctrinal missions: unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, direct action, counter-insurgency, special reconnaissance, counter-terrorism, information operations, counterproliferation of weapon of mass destruction, and security force assistance via seven geographically focused groups. They are referred to as Tier 2 operators. The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, commonly referred to as Delta Force, Combat Applications Group, "The Unit", Army Compartmented Element, or within JSOC as Task Force Green, is an elite special operations force of the United States Army, under operational control of the Joint Special Operations Command. The unit is tasked with specialized missions primarily involving counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action, interdiction, and special reconnaissance against high-value targets. Delta Force and its Navy counterpart, DEVGRU (sometimes referred to as SEAL Team 6), are the U.S. military's primary Tier 1 Special Mission Units tasked with performing the most complex, classified, and dangerous missions directed by the National Command Authority. The Delta Force selection and training is based on that of the SAS as the officer who founded it (Charles Beckwith) had served on an exchange tour with the SAS. " Exactly. Delta force are not green berets. Look.... just cos you served in the pioneer corps or the catering corps doesn’t mean you know what you are on about. Even when you do google the answer, you don’t read it or know what it means. It’s like comparing the Pathfinders with the SAS. ( that’s right- get google out to find out who the Pathfinders are). It took you 16 hours to trot out your last answer . How long to come back with more tosh | |||
"I know it’s not the number of troops- was just saying. As for 50= 50. Maybe navy seals and delta force getting close ( but nowhere near ) to SAS. But 50 green berets = about 10 SAS Clearly you have little or no knowledge of what you are talking. Green Berets are Delta Force. They are not primarily war fighters, in fact (where embedded) when they have to engage an enemy they have failed in their primary mission because they are 'hearts and minds' troops. They are teachers and medics who train, build, guide and mentor insurgent armies. And just to be clear that is also the primary roll of the SAS. You have no idea what you are talking about The United States Army Special Forces, colloquially known as the Green Berets due to their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force of the United States Army that are designed to deploy and execute nine doctrinal missions: unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, direct action, counter-insurgency, special reconnaissance, counter-terrorism, information operations, counterproliferation of weapon of mass destruction, and security force assistance via seven geographically focused groups. They are referred to as Tier 2 operators. The 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta, commonly referred to as Delta Force, Combat Applications Group, "The Unit", Army Compartmented Element, or within JSOC as Task Force Green, is an elite special operations force of the United States Army, under operational control of the Joint Special Operations Command. The unit is tasked with specialized missions primarily involving counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action, interdiction, and special reconnaissance against high-value targets. Delta Force and its Navy counterpart, DEVGRU (sometimes referred to as SEAL Team 6), are the U.S. military's primary Tier 1 Special Mission Units tasked with performing the most complex, classified, and dangerous missions directed by the National Command Authority. The Delta Force selection and training is based on that of the SAS as the officer who founded it (Charles Beckwith) had served on an exchange tour with the SAS. " SAS?.,. Hearts and minds?.. really. I mean, really ?. Show me that on google please | |||
"SAS?.,. Hearts and minds?.. really. I mean, really ?. Show me that on google please" I never had that much time for the painters when doing hot ops, they were far too arrogant which led to them fucking up (yea they fucked up regularly), but unless the troopers who fucked up were in the permanent cadre they were retroactively RTUed because the SAS never get it wrong! By the way, you having such a deep (hinting at first hand knowledge of the SAS) you will of course be able to tell us all why their nickname is 22 painters, and you will also be able to name the units that were disbanded in 96 when UKSF Brigade was formed and the SAS took over their SF support rolls. | |||
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"... for any military organisation of any note ( of which the Turks are not)" That's overly dismissive of a military that brings more conventional firepower to the NATO table than the UK does. Their capabilities are more significant than you imply - and their geography is why the Kurds are up shit creek. It's long been the way of the US and the UK to say to their darker skinned allies, "Thanks for all your help; now fuck off." This is just the latest example. | |||
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"Trump must have done some shady deal with the Turks" Trump is just an idiot simple as that | |||
"The US betrayed an ally who spilled blood in a joint fight against the so-called Islamic State (ISIS). Kurds, left at the mercy of their declared enemy, Turkey, speak of a "knife in the back." What happened to them should be a warning to everyone who over-ties their safety and future to Donald Trump's decisions." Couodnt agree more tho I’d say Trump stabbed the Kurds in the front aswell ! As a side issue , are thier still some U.K. citizens fighting along side the Kurds ? | |||
"So ,,, ISIS are our enemy and we don't like the Syrian regime and we definitely don't like Russia , America is our greatest ally and our Turkush friends are part of NATO ,,, We get help from the Kurds in Syria who help us in our battle against ISIS , to such an extent that they keep ISIS prisoners in their own territory ( even those who may hold British passports ) because we don't want those people back here "you" can keep them there ,,so they do ,, then when it appears that ISIS may be so weak they may be actually defeated our greatest ally stops assisting our Kurdish friends who have helped us in our fight against ISIS and allow our NATO ally , Turkey , to move into Kurdish territory in Syria , meaning our Kurdish friends who were guarding the ISIS prisoners , that we don't want back here, now have to abandon their prison guard duty to fight against our NATO ally , with the potential of our enemy ISIS prisoners , who , remember , we don't want here under lock and key , escaping and maybe fighting us again , but there is a potential relief for our helpful Kurdish allies because it is reported that the Syrian government ( who we don't like ) have agreed a deal and are moving their troops ( possibly with the assistance of Russian troops -- who we also don't like ) to assist our Kurdish friends in their struggle against a NATO ally ,,,,,,,,,,, " So basically, for the sake of Trump just leaving a small amount of US troops on the Turkish/Syria border, we could be heading for a, NATO Turkey confronting Kurdish/Syria backed by Russia, proxy war,? | |||
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"Syria, with Iranian support, is said to be mobilising its forces to take on the Turks in the north. Syria's territorial integrity is being compromised by the Turks. The Kurds have asked the Russians to attack the Turks, too. Now, Turkey is a member of NATO. If its troops are attacked, could that drag the rest of NATO into a conflict, on the basis that an attack on one member is an attack on all? That's only happened once before, I believe, when the US invoked the relevant Treaty article after the 9/11 attacks. " . And with the potential of the Kurds , Syrian , Iranian and Russian forces pushing back Turkush troops to an extent when Turkey asks fellow NATO members ( uk ) for assistance , I wonder if we could call on any remaining British citizens still fighting for ISIS in Syria to help us out | |||
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" . And with the potential of the Kurds , Syrian , Iranian and Russian forces pushing back Turkush troops to an extent when Turkey asks fellow NATO members ( uk ) for assistance , I wonder if we could call on any remaining British citizens still fighting for ISIS in Syria to help us out " i heard on the BBC that British forces, operating beside the US forces, are also withdrawing from the border zone. The Kurds have had to swallow their pride and ask Assad for help. So now we have government forces moving in and reclaiming sovereign territory from the Kurds in order to keep out the Turks. The same government forces that the US and UK spent years trying to topple, with their financial and military backing for nefarious jihadi groups. Have you ever seen anything like it? A complete morass. | |||
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"And 800 detainees missing from an IS prison camp. " Well as they say....its good for business! Trump and his mates in Lockheed, Raytheon, Colt....etc etc etc ad infinitum will be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect!  | |||
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"When should the US (and ourselves and the French forces) leave Syria? Has to happen sooner or later. Never going to be an ideal time. Should they stay 1 year? 10 years? 50 years? "Well as Putin now has his longed for base in the Mediterranean thanks to assad it probably means never. I wonder if the rumour that Trump is a russian sleeper agent is possible? | |||
"When should the US (and ourselves and the French forces) leave Syria? Has to happen sooner or later. Never going to be an ideal time. Should they stay 1 year? 10 years? 50 years?
Well as Putin now has his longed for base in the Mediterranean thanks to assad it probably means never. I wonder if the rumour that Trump is a russian sleeper agent is possible? "So they should never leave Syria? And then what? If Syria say's leave now, do you think the US should launch a full scale invasion? | |||
"When should the US (and ourselves and the French forces) leave Syria? Has to happen sooner or later. Never going to be an ideal time. Should they stay 1 year? 10 years? 50 years? "Well, Mr Trump says he alone is responsible for the 100% elimination of the caliphate. That's why we were there. Wasn't it? | |||
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The US has 50 free-fall nuclear weapons stored at air bases in Turkey.
Two allies dumped in the space of a few days - the Kurds and the Turks.
IS detainees on the loose, Erdogan threatening to dump 3.6m refugees on Europe.
NATO in chaos, the Russians given the green light to fill the vacuum.
Are there are any words left to describe this lunatic?
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"The leader of the largest military force in NATO (the USA) now says he will wage economic war against the second largest military force in NATO (Turkey). Sanctions announced on Turkish officials and 50% tariffs on Turkish steel. Talks between the US and Turkey about a $100bn trade agreement suspended. Trump is accusing Turkey of "possible war crimes". "Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte," tweeted Trump.
The US has 50 free-fall nuclear weapons stored at air bases in Turkey.
Two allies dumped in the space of a few days - the Kurds and the Turks.
IS detainees on the loose, Erdogan threatening to dump 3.6m refugees on Europe.
NATO in chaos, the Russians given the green light to fill the vacuum.
Are there are any words left to describe this lunatic?
"Hence the question doing the rounds in the US state department as to whether Trump is demented, stupid or working to some other country’s agenda (there are rumours of Putin having some very powerful hold over him allegedly). Whether you believe that or not, quite frankly, his foreign policy makes no sense to anybody in the US state department which is probably why no one stays for long. Personally I wonder if he is able to think in any great depth or for the long term, as his decisions all seem rash and taken in the moment. He is the most destabilising potus that I can remember and I do wonder about his mental health. | |||
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"The Chinese have a saying: "America First is America Alone" Trump is smashing up all the alliances that have held the capitalist world together since 1945. Friends become foes, and foes become friends. America under Trump is retreating into naked self-interest, oblivious to the chaos that retreat leaves behind. Undoubtedly, it creates space for Russian influence to expand. The US backed the Syrian rebels in their fight against the Syrian government forces. There was an image from a main road in Syria yesterday of US military vehicles going south, passing Syrian Army vehicles heading north, to take on the erstwhile US allies, the rebel forces. Bizarre. " if he is smashing the alliances apart that hold the capitalist world together isnt that a good thing?? aint the left always telling everyone that capitalism is a bad thing.who knew it would be the usa that might destroy it.also america are allways told to stay out of other peoples countrys yet when they take the 50 odd special forces they had there everyone loses there shit about it | |||
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"Two allies dumped in the space of a few days - the Kurds and the Turks. IS detainees on the loose, Erdogan threatening to dump 3.6m refugees on Europe. NATO in chaos, the Russians given the green light to fill the vacuum. Are there are any words left to describe this lunatic? " Yep... The Manchurian President. Just swap brainwashing in a POW camp (bone spurs made sure Donny Small Hands never had to serve) for billions of $ in payments for being a Russian money launderer. | |||
"Kurds, the most affective and trustworthy of western allies in the containment of ISIS in Syria, and backed by the US, are now losing that US support since Mr Trump, in a decision not supported by intelligence, military or the Pentagon, is removing US support and backing Turkey instead, the Kurds longtime enemy. This supports Turkey’s upscaling of their involvement in Syria and will garner the long hatred and mistrust of the Kurds to the West, Trump may be a fool but he is now an extremely dangerous fool, with blood directly on his hands." Well Russia are now the policemen of the world now, a grave turn of events. | |||
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"Have you seen the letter Trump wrote to Erdogan? It defies description. A complete brain-dump, Twitter-style, unedited by diplomats. And did you hear Trump, whose "great wisdom is unmatched", declare his actions in Syria are "brilliant"? " They have been brilliant. His boss is about to become (if he hasn't already) the worlds policeman and power-broker and he (Trump) has half the US political class defending him while he openly commits treason in the Oval Office. | |||
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"... for any military organisation of any note ( of which the Turks are not) That's overly dismissive of a military that brings more conventional firepower to the NATO table than the UK does. Their capabilities are more significant than you imply - and their geography is why the Kurds are up shit creek. It's long been the way of the US and the UK to say to their darker skinned allies, "Thanks for all your help; now fuck off." This is just the latest example." You have no idea what you are talking about. ( apart from the acknowledged fact that they have huge numbers in their forces ). But having a massive conscript force means zilch. I could take them all on with one armed behind my back , eating a peanut magnum in the other . | |||
"I could take them all on with one armed behind my back , eating a peanut magnum in the other . " Says the man who knows what he's talking about. You're not ironic, just ridiculous. | |||
"You have no idea what you are talking about. ( apart from the acknowledged fact that they have huge numbers in their forces ). But having a massive conscript force means zilch. I could take them all on with one armed behind my back , eating a peanut magnum in the other . " Really? Ah, it is you again. Lets put this simply for you, force multipliers are important but a plane, tank or operator can only be in one place at a time and once their munitions are exhausted it does not matter where they are their of no military value. | |||
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"I could take them all on with one armed behind my back , eating a peanut magnum in the other . Says the man who knows what he's talking about. You're not ironic, just ridiculous." I know exactly what I’m talking about. It was my job for 33 years to know such matters intimately | |||
"You have no idea what you are talking about. ( apart from the acknowledged fact that they have huge numbers in their forces ). But having a massive conscript force means zilch. I could take them all on with one armed behind my back , eating a peanut magnum in the other . Really? Ah, it is you again. Lets put this simply for you, force multipliers are important but a plane, tank or operator can only be in one place at a time and once their munitions are exhausted it does not matter where they are their of no military value. " What are on about Walt ?. Who said anything about running out of ammunition ?... you can have all the tanks and guns in the world with endless supply lines but if the people handling such weapons are dumb conscripts with pathetic training and the inability to shoot straight and practically zero experience of armed conflict ( turkeys record is hopeless), a professional trained army would run rings around them. Falklands anyone? | |||
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"What are on about Walt ?. Who said anything about running out of ammunition ?... you can have all the tanks and guns in the world with endless supply lines but if the people handling such weapons are dumb conscripts with pathetic training and the inability to shoot straight and practically zero experience of armed conflict ( turkeys record is hopeless), a professional trained army would run rings around them. Falklands anyone?" You sure about that? You really sure about that? I guess you never studied Stalingrad because if you did you would not say something so patiently wrong. Just to be clear in Stalingrad untrained Soviet conscripts firstly stopped, then fixed and finally annihilated the overwhelmingly superiorly trained, equipped and battle hardened German 6th Army. As I said, force multipliers are important but size is even more important, a ship, plane, tank or gun can only be in one place at a time and is less than useless when it can no longer function. Battles and wars are not one by teeth arms and spearhead units. They are won by logistics and supply trains. Guess that's another lesson you failed to learn (or forgot) in your 33 years. | |||
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"Arab Spring. When the west seeded the overthrow of regimes it did not like. Syria was a step too far." Arab spring, when the West managed to undermine and ferment the overthrow of the hard-man regimes that were holding back and protecting the West from the mass of humanity that has been moving north for decades as a result of habitat destruction and regional destabilisation caused by unsustainable natural resource exploitation in central Africa driven by unregulated Western capitalist greed. | |||
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"i follow the YPG on Facebook. The video clips of atrocities are appalling. " Yep, I also follow the PIC on faceache and it is a similar story in Gaza. | |||
