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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Anyone been reading about this, seems that certain types of medicine are in short supply.
I have Been hearing this in pharmacies and hospitals recently, saying that supplies for many drugs are going to dry up soon.
Big concern is that many elderly and older people might not get the medication they need, which could lead to an increase in deaths.
Has anyone heard about this also? |
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Bit of factual context, if you want it, or not
Quote from one of the pharmacists who took part in the survey, “Shortages are occurring more frequently both in UK and globally. This is due to a variety of reasons including but not limited to an increase in global demand, the increase in cost and availability of raw materials, fluctuations in exchange rates and some manufactures discontinuing unprofitable medication lines." |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
An inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner’s Court on Friday heard that a French woman, who has lived in the UK for over 50 years, committed suicide because of anxiety about Brexit.
Is this the first Brexit-related fatality?
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"An inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner’s Court on Friday heard that a French woman, who has lived in the UK for over 50 years, committed suicide because of anxiety about Brexit.
Is this the first Brexit-related fatality?
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No |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"An inquest at Gloucestershire Coroner’s Court on Friday heard that a French woman, who has lived in the UK for over 50 years, committed suicide because of anxiety about Brexit.
Is this the first Brexit-related fatality?
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Jo Cox?
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This has been happening a long time before Brexit. However it’s only going to get worse with it.
Sourcing Testosterone from my regular chemist has over the last year become very hard. Usually have to now shop around. |
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Imposing Brexit at a point where medical supplies, including medicines, are increasingly unavailable, is ill thought through and potentially irresponsible as well as unforgivable, should any deaths or serious harm to people occurs. It's certain that someone like Gove is pretty unreliable to be left to manage readiness - I'd not trust him with anything, let alone my life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The government are worried about the Brexit effect on pharmaceuticals because they’ve imposed an export ban on 30 or more drugs.
Watch the price sky rocketing on some drugs as profiteering takes hold .
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
its not just a "tablet" issue....
for example the stuff you need for Chemo in relation to Cancer treatment isnt actually made in the UK and is very time sensitive...so where that sort of stuff can at the moment be shipped by road, all of that stuff may need to come in by plane at least at the beginning until "port" issues are dealt with........ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Imposing Brexit at a point where medical supplies, including medicines, are increasingly unavailable, is ill thought through and potentially irresponsible as well as unforgivable, should any deaths or serious harm to people occurs. It's certain that someone like Gove is pretty unreliable to be left to manage readiness - I'd not trust him with anything, let alone my life. "
Those who orchestrated brexit don't give a fuck. The ultra rich, the Americans and the Russians won't be effected. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just for balance....there are problems getting hold of some drugs at the moment because of a large outbreak of swine fever in China which supplies most of the pigs intestines that these blood thinning drugs are made from. This will affect the cost and supply in the short term but the more worrying aspects of brexit are the time dependent drugs and radioactive products that currently are available readily via road and rail freight which will have to be sent by air at increased cost which will be passed on to the nhs. The labour parties concept of a state run generic medicine manufacturer is not a terrible idea given that many generic medicines are manufactured in india whose economy is booming making their drugs more expensive. Its an emotive subject but I think we all know that Brexit will make medicines more expensive and cause scarcity in the short term with access to the best drugs becoming dependent on how much insurance cover you have to top up your rationed NHS allowance. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
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I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Imposing Brexit at a point where medical supplies, including medicines, are increasingly unavailable, is ill thought through and potentially irresponsible as well as unforgivable, should any deaths or serious harm to people occurs. It's certain that someone like Gove is pretty unreliable to be left to manage readiness - I'd not trust him with anything, let alone my life. "
The shock of things being ok will give you a heart attack  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand"
Is this one of the brexit benefits?
That your neighbor thinks it won't be as bad as some people think. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Just for balance....there are problems getting hold of some drugs at the moment because of a large outbreak of swine fever in China which supplies most of the pigs intestines that these blood thinning drugs are made from. This will affect the cost and supply in the short term but the more worrying aspects of brexit are the time dependent drugs and radioactive products that currently are available readily via road and rail freight which will have to be sent by air at increased cost which will be passed on to the nhs. The labour parties concept of a state run generic medicine manufacturer is not a terrible idea given that many generic medicines are manufactured in india whose economy is booming making their drugs more expensive. Its an emotive subject but I think we all know that Brexit will make medicines more expensive and cause scarcity in the short term with access to the best drugs becoming dependent on how much insurance cover you have to top up your rationed NHS allowance. "
Labours concept is a terrible idea drug companies spend years developing drugs and very few of them work hence the high price for the ones that do as they have to subsidize the millions spent one the ones that dont.Their idea would hinder future research into new drugs. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand"
The risk to medicine supplies certainly is not a lie.
The question is whether the risk of being mitigated.
I'm pleased you have confidence in Johnson's ability to do so.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
Is this one of the brexit benefits?
That your neighbor thinks it won't be as bad as some people think."
no not a benefit,just a fact |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just for balance....there are problems getting hold of some drugs at the moment because of a large outbreak of swine fever in China which supplies most of the pigs intestines that these blood thinning drugs are made from. This will affect the cost and supply in the short term but the more worrying aspects of brexit are the time dependent drugs and radioactive products that currently are available readily via road and rail freight which will have to be sent by air at increased cost which will be passed on to the nhs. The labour parties concept of a state run generic medicine manufacturer is not a terrible idea given that many generic medicines are manufactured in india whose economy is booming making their drugs more expensive. Its an emotive subject but I think we all know that Brexit will make medicines more expensive and cause scarcity in the short term with access to the best drugs becoming dependent on how much insurance cover you have to top up your rationed NHS allowance. Labours concept is a terrible idea drug companies spend years developing drugs and very few of them work hence the high price for the ones that do as they have to subsidize the millions spent one the ones that dont.Their idea would hinder future research into new drugs. "
So making generic drugs either by paying for a license to manufacture or making drugs that are out of patent (as India does) to provide a cheap source for the nhs makes no sense? We are not talking about new drugs which will be paid for and used by the nhs as they do at present and will continue to do so until the point at which they become generic. The drug companies will continue to make money as before but the nhs will supply itself probably pretty much at cost. Makes sense to me  |
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The recent conservative leadership voting unfortunately added a 3 week or so delay to the efforts to help ensure the UK is better prepared for medical needs, in the context of international shortages, compounded by a potential complexity and delays due to Brexit, if it happens. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The recent conservative leadership voting unfortunately added a 3 week or so delay to the efforts to help ensure the UK is better prepared for medical needs, in the context of international shortages, compounded by a potential complexity and delays due to Brexit, if it happens. "
The civil service do not all go on holiday because there is a leadership contest total rubbish.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So when Brexit happens people will die because of lack of drugs. Deal with it people outside the EU are dying every day because they can't get drugs moved quick enough. My god wake up fake news |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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this is a worry as my hubs has 32 items per 28 days for his complex mix of health problems ..if his drugs where to be missed he would 100% be in hospital ... we only spoke to his dr the other day and he seems to think that everything will be fine and the pharmacy has said the same ...it is a worry but also it will send hospitals into overdrive as they will be chocablock ...worrying times indeed ..
there was a documenty on bbc2 back along about drugs being stockpiled |
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"So when Brexit happens people will die because of lack of drugs. Deal with it people outside the EU are dying every day because they can't get drugs moved quick enough. My god wake up fake news "
So you think it's a good thing that brexit will fuck up our health system, and people will die. We've gone from "brexit will give us 350 million a week for the health service" to "brexit is great because people with medical needs are going to die". I'm guessing you're not a diabetic rationing their insulin in case there is a temporary supply shortage that would kill them. I'm guessing you're not a cancer patient worrying that their radiation treatment might not be possible, or their chemotherapy drug not available. You're bloody typical of brexiteers - "it's a price worth paying" - as long as it's not you paying the price. It takes a lot to get me angry, but now i am fucking fuming! |
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And no I'm not a diabetic or a cancer patient. I'm someone that has this thing called empathy. Who thinks that fucking over the country for the exclusive benefit of a tiny minority who are already in the most ultra privileged position is fucking evil. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So when Brexit happens people will die because of lack of drugs. Deal with it people outside the EU are dying every day because they can't get drugs moved quick enough. My god wake up fake news "
If you don't give a fuck about people dying because they have reduced access to essential medicines. What do you care about?
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These are the top 10 pharmaceutical companies in the world as of January 2019,
1. Johnson and Johnson USA $74.331 billion
2. Novartis AG Switzerland $57.996 billion
3. Roche Holdings AG Switzerland $49.86 billion
4. Pfizer USA $ 49.605 billion
5. Sanofi France $43.07 billion
6. Merck & Co $42.237 billion
7. GlaxoSmithKliene UK $36.556 billion
8. AstraZeneca UK $29.095 billion
9. Bayer AG Germany $25.47 billion
10. Gilead Sciences $24.474 billion
https://www.trendrr.net/2182/top-10-pharma-companies-in-the-world-famous-best-largest-richest/ |
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The following is a list of countries by pharmaceutical exports. Data is for 2014, in billions of US Dollars, as reported by The Observatory of Economic Complexity. Currently the top ten countries are listed, which account for more than 75% of the total market value, estimated at $354 billion.
# Country Value World Market Share
— European Union 178. 51,2%
1 Germany 50 16%
2 United States 38.1 11%
3 Switzerland 34.1 9.6%
4 Italy 27.5 7.8%
5 Ireland 22.8 6.4%
6 Belgium +
Luxembourg 20.9 5.9%
7 United Kingdom 19.6. 5.6%
8 Netherlands 14.3 4%
9 India 12.1 3.4%
Total — 262.3 75.3 |
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The same people scare mongering about lack of Medication leading to Brexit related deaths are the those telling us that the world is over populated, and leave only won because all the pesky old people voted for it, I'd have thought they'd have been over the moon...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The following is a list of countries by pharmaceutical exports. Data is for 2014, in billions of US Dollars, as reported by The Observatory of Economic Complexity. Currently the top ten countries are listed, which account for more than 75% of the total market value, estimated at $354 billion.
# Country Value World Market Share
— European Union 178. 51,2%
1 Germany 50 16%
2 United States 38.1 11%
3 Switzerland 34.1 9.6%
4 Italy 27.5 7.8%
5 Ireland 22.8 6.4%
6 Belgium +
Luxembourg 20.9 5.9%
7 United Kingdom 19.6. 5.6%
8 Netherlands 14.3 4%
9 India 12.1 3.4%
Total — 262.3 75.3"
Thanks for taking the time googling and putting facts out there .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The same people scare mongering about lack of Medication leading to Brexit related deaths are the those telling us that the world is over populated, and leave only won because all the pesky old people voted for it, I'd have thought they'd have been over the moon... "
Ha, true
Personally I don't think pharmaceuticals will be delayed, "if" crossings are in turmoil "which I don't think they will" then I think flights will be used for emergency stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The following is a list of countries by pharmaceutical exports. Data is for 2014, in billions of US Dollars, as reported by The Observatory of Economic Complexity. Currently the top ten countries are listed, which account for more than 75% of the total market value, estimated at $354 billion.
# Country Value World Market Share
— European Union 178. 51,2%
1 Germany 50 16%
2 United States 38.1 11%
3 Switzerland 34.1 9.6%
4 Italy 27.5 7.8%
5 Ireland 22.8 6.4%
6 Belgium +
Luxembourg 20.9 5.9%
7 United Kingdom 19.6. 5.6%
8 Netherlands 14.3 4%
9 India 12.1 3.4%
Total — 262.3 75.3"
Thanks. That makes interesting reading. Especially the size of the EU share overall compared to the UK alone. I guess we could get into a debate about where the research is carried out and where else companies choose to be based for tax efficiency but thats the trouble with facts - they just make life too complicated |
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"The following is a list of countries by pharmaceutical exports. Data is for 2014, in billions of US Dollars, as reported by The Observatory of Economic Complexity. Currently the top ten countries are listed, which account for more than 75% of the total market value, estimated at $354 billion.
# Country Value World Market Share
— European Union 178. 51,2%
1 Germany 50 16%
2 United States 38.1 11%
3 Switzerland 34.1 9.6%
4 Italy 27.5 7.8%
5 Ireland 22.8 6.4%
6 Belgium +
Luxembourg 20.9 5.9%
7 United Kingdom 19.6. 5.6%
8 Netherlands 14.3 4%
9 India 12.1 3.4%
Total — 262.3 75.3
Thanks for taking the time googling and putting facts out there .. "
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"The following is a list of countries by pharmaceutical exports. Data is for 2014, in billions of US Dollars, as reported by The Observatory of Economic Complexity. Currently the top ten countries are listed, which account for more than 75% of the total market value, estimated at $354 billion.
# Country Value World Market Share
— European Union 178. 51,2%
1 Germany 50 16%
2 United States 38.1 11%
3 Switzerland 34.1 9.6%
4 Italy 27.5 7.8%
5 Ireland 22.8 6.4%
6 Belgium +
Luxembourg 20.9 5.9%
7 United Kingdom 19.6. 5.6%
8 Netherlands 14.3 4%
9 India 12.1 3.4%
Total — 262.3 75.3
Thanks. That makes interesting reading. Especially the size of the EU share overall compared to the UK alone. I guess we could get into a debate about where the research is carried out and where else companies choose to be based for tax efficiency but thats the trouble with facts - they just make life too complicated "
I imagine the European companies are less than thrilled that the EU claims the number 1 slot. To complicate the situation the various companies specialise in different areas of research and product’s.
The government did actually commission an independent survey into what will happen re drugs in the event of Brexit. Also because another problem regarding isotope medicines is that 5 of the 6 research reactors that produce them are going out of service in the next 10 years as they are at the end of their working lives. Facts do rather complicate things  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand"
Strange? been in about 8 hospitals recently, and been hearing the same thing from staff. So must be a regional thing maybe? |
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
Strange? been in about 8 hospitals recently, and been hearing the same thing from staff. So must be a regional thing maybe? "
How do they know what the shortages will be when we haven't left yet? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
Strange? been in about 8 hospitals recently, and been hearing the same thing from staff. So must be a regional thing maybe?
How do they know what the shortages will be when we haven't left yet?"
The future isn't a total unknown. You can figure out, for example, that when you go food shopping, that you'll need food for more than just right now. Because you can think about what you need for the rest of the week, where to get it from, and if you can afford it. |
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand"
There are already shortages of drugs ffs. Epipens, HRT therapies and drugs for epilepsy are three that are hard to source today. Are you suggesting a) that this is made up and that b) a No Deal Brexit will improve things?
Is there no level of stupidity that some brextremists wont stoop to in their halfarsed cries of project Fear? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
There are already shortages of drugs ffs. Epipens, HRT therapies and drugs for epilepsy are three that are hard to source today. Are you suggesting a) that this is made up and that b) a No Deal Brexit will improve things?
Is there no level of stupidity that some brextremists wont stoop to in their halfarsed cries of project Fear? "
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There probably in short supply because there stock piling them.
You know like buying more than normal |
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
There are already shortages of drugs ffs. Epipens, HRT therapies and drugs for epilepsy are three that are hard to source today. Are you suggesting a) that this is made up and that b) a No Deal Brexit will improve things?
Is there no level of stupidity that some brextremists wont stoop to in their halfarsed cries of project Fear? .
There probably in short supply because there stock piling them.
You know like buying more than normal"
Instead of trying to be a smartarse (and failing), why not read up about the issues with pharmaceutical supplies and then you's perhaps understand what's going on rather than being tiresome and trite |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My god some people will beleve anything, I'm scared for all of us if people run around shouting because the EU properger machine tells us it's the truth. Drugs will only be stopped for coming into the UK if our customs stops them. End of wake up. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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It becomes apparent that we're all doomed. If and when anything happens we shall clearly see.
How on earth does the world survive without being in the EU?
Personally having not been infected with the zombie like derangement, I would hazard a guess that stuff will still get done all be it with the shannigans of a few awkward job worths.
Stock up on your toilet rolls folks, apparently that's going to be in short supply too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the point is that there will be an effect on the procurement logistically and financially which will have to be paid for somehow and stockpiling will become necessary instead of just in time purchasing and this could cause serious harm in the short term particularly in the case of time dependent items. Oh and as we all know....in a sellers market the cost of items increases so as long as you’re happy with that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes.
It is the Conservative Party's biggest fear.
People dying because of their policies.
Medicines are top of the pile in planning for Little Britain.
I was assured at the hospital last week that there would be very few problems and not to worry.
Also my next door neighbour is a pharmacist at the hospital has said not to believe all you here.
Just a load of rmoaner lies,Boris has it in hand
There are already shortages of drugs ffs. Epipens, HRT therapies and drugs for epilepsy are three that are hard to source today. Are you suggesting a) that this is made up and that b) a No Deal Brexit will improve things?
Is there no level of stupidity that some brextremists wont stoop to in their halfarsed cries of project Fear? .
There probably in short supply because there stock piling them.
You know like buying more than normal
Instead of trying to be a smartarse (and failing), why not read up about the issues with pharmaceutical supplies and then you's perhaps understand what's going on rather than being tiresome and trite"
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Oooo playing the man instead of the ball.
Back of the net  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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im affected by the shortage. im on Primidone which is an anti-epilepsy drug for a tremor and only got half a months supply now ive had to cut from three to one a day at the request of my docs until the neurologist decides on something else. the drug cant be stopped dead because it causes withdrawls and I feel like im rattling already. im also on anti-depressants and if they go short im dreading it  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"My god some people will beleve anything, I'm scared for all of us if people run around shouting because the EU properger machine tells us it's the truth. Drugs will only be stopped for coming into the UK if our customs stops them. End of wake up. "
Oh dear.
The EU has said nothing about medicine supplies.
British Ministers have.
Brexiteers btw.
The civil service has.
The problem is the predicted logjam at ports.
Brexiteers predicted a 40-60 % reduction in throughput because of non-compliance with border and customs rules.
This is what you voted for - an overnight return to barriers and red tape that we spent the last 50 years removing. |
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"My god some people will beleve anything, I'm scared for all of us if people run around shouting because the EU properger machine tells us it's the truth. Drugs will only be stopped for coming into the UK if our customs stops them. End of wake up. "
It's difficult to fully comprehend what you may be trying to say.
It's clear though, based on the available evidence, that major shortages, globally and more locally, of significant medical supplies, that Brexit disruptions will make problems worse. It's not just about medicine, it's also about broader supplies, that essentially underpin health service treatments. If someone isn't personally affected, that's good fortune but those who need continuous medication, or who are dependent on cancer treatment to provide them with a chance of a life that is neither cut short or doomed to having a much lower quality or meaning for them, avoidable problems caused by some self-serving bottom feeding scum, should be halted. There's no room for political ideology or politicians who operate only for themselves or a very privileged few, to be sustained in public service. Such filth would be dealt with the contempt and full public disgust from right minded decent people anywhere. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"My god some people will beleve anything, I'm scared for all of us if people run around shouting because the EU properger machine tells us it's the truth. Drugs will only be stopped for coming into the UK if our customs stops them. End of wake up.
It's difficult to fully comprehend what you may be trying to say.
It's clear though, based on the available evidence, that major shortages, globally and more locally, of significant medical supplies, that Brexit disruptions will make problems worse. It's not just about medicine, it's also about broader supplies, that essentially underpin health service treatments. If someone isn't personally affected, that's good fortune but those who need continuous medication, or who are dependent on cancer treatment to provide them with a chance of a life that is neither cut short or doomed to having a much lower quality or meaning for them, avoidable problems caused by some self-serving bottom feeding scum, should be halted. There's no room for political ideology or politicians who operate only for themselves or a very privileged few, to be sustained in public service. Such filth would be dealt with the contempt and full public disgust from right minded decent people anywhere. "
Good to see remainers have kerbed their rhetoric "bottom feeding scum",shit for brains, filth nice language to debate a discussion your mother must be proud of you.There was i believing that it was leavers that were using inflammatory language or so ive been told. |
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