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Is there a leaver out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

Just interested.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

It Will be the Easiest Deal in History

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"Just interested."

Blue passport. Even though Croatia, a member of the EU, already has blue passports. We could actually be in the EU and have blue passports. The current passports colour is not mandated by the EU - the just produced a standard.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

Boris ! Ask Boris, he's always truthful

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

Yes of course. You will find them under a different topic

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

Over the past couple of years i have read many threads on here that patiently debunk over and over the lies that surround the leave position. One by one every single item of "project fear" has become project fact - oh I'm sure that someone will quibble that they were told the pound would fall by 22.6% and it's only gone down by 22.4% or some such. Still, there has been lots of bad shit happened as predicted.

Also over the years i have read many threads where leavers have been asked to give examples of all the good things that are happening or will happen, that will make it worth the untold billions of pounds that it has cost the country - that it has cost you the people, that it has cost every one of us. And not one single truthful benefit has been given. Every single item has been thoroughly debunked, or it patently just an imaginary yearning, or is a "you can't know the exact future". You can have a bloody good guess at it though based on the predictions of every reputable economic or social voice.

The best leave arguments now seem to be that some unspecified stuff will be better at some unspecified time in the future. A future that has moved from "the instant we leave" to "it'll take a couple of years" to "perhaps 50 years"!!!

So it might get good by the time 95% of those that voted for it have died of old age!!!!!

Once more i lay down the challenge: name some truthful, viable benefits that will come from brexit within your own lifetime.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

So much so that the arch-Leaver Andrea Leadsom now uses the Remain arguments of 2016 to excuse why people voted for social and economic self-harm.

Truly Orwellian.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Which reminds of an anagram

Yellowhammer - Orwell mayhem.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

And another:

Get Brexit Done - Being Extorted

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

Orwellian. Identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

I agree with you totally, if we stay in the E.U.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Orwellian. Identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

I agree with you totally, if we stay in the E.U. "

How about you educate us as to why? Oh and facts would be cool too to back up your claims

and if you can post something that you feel is that way then does that outweigh the benefits of what EU membership brings us

Truly looking forward to your reply

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Just interested."

To quote _ophieslut on the remainer version thread;

"Consider investigating some facts yourself op, so that you start with a more balanced perspective. There are also over3 years of posts from all perspectives, that would potentially refresh your understanding.

Also I'm curious about what deficits you may have in your knowledge base as well as your motivation for creating this post? If you answer those points, you presumably will be briefing others, so that they'll be fully and accurately briefed, before considering whether and how to invest their efforts into your demands."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just interested.

To quote _ophieslut on the remainer version thread;

So as to the topics question, that's a big fat NO from you then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the last word of the question is the stumbling block

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

So it might get good by the time 95% of those that voted for it have died of old age!!!!!

Once more i lay down the challenge: name some truthful, viable benefits that will come from brexit within your own lifetime. "

I think that we are now in an entirely new dimension where such arguments are now academic.

Going forwards the argument will just be about faux outrage and the denying of democracy. It is easy to not have to answer difficult questions when you can act totally outraged at the referendum vote being betrayed, democracy ignored and the Elites bypassing the people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is always a question that comes to mind when I see the lack of leavers response to a perfectly valid message.

Do you think that when shooting yourself in the foot and knowing that it was your gun and your bullets means it was your choice because, a) you wanted to have a gun, b) because the big strong men with silly hair told you you had to have a gun to be in the gang, c) you didnt want to be bothered with difficult analysis of how much the gun and bullets was going to cost you over time and how much more danger you would be putting yourself in by going it alone? A bit convoluted I know but a fair analogy of how it looks to me

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"I think the last word of the question is the stumbling block

Does anyone know what the "truth" is?

We have plenty of evidence and probabilistic risk assessment of the effects.

We have plenty evidence that the claims made in 2016 - mostly, but not exclusively, by the Leave side - were false and misleading.

But until the UK actually takes the next step and isolates itself from the continent - politically, socially and economically - none of us really know the "truth".

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

So it might get good by the time 95% of those that voted for it have died of old age!!!!!

Once more i lay down the challenge: name some truthful, viable benefits that will come from brexit within your own lifetime. "

Exactly this. ^

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

Correct. Nobody knows what the truth is.

I am not a leave or a remain person.

As neutral observer, as to what is taking place in the so called free world. Be it Europe or the USA. Along with a few other countries.

People are only focusing on there own self interest.

People do not want to seem to make compromises any more, to other people, that hold other views to themselves.

If the UK's own parliamentary officials. Along with the E.U. parliament officials are all acting like children.

Then that makes the free world very very vulnerable.

Man has become totally focused on their own self interest and greed. With no thought compromise.

England is being torn into two with.

We want to remain.

We want to leave.

Admittedly. a united Europe is a strong Europe.

But unfortunately, they are not united.

Other countries are waiting, and wanting to leave the E.U. also.

Why you have got to ask yourself.

Further more. The E.U. Parliament has got to ask themselves that question.

It needs someone with Balls, With no self interest or greed. To get up in the E.U. parliament. And tell them.

We are going to find a solution, as to why. Europe, and other E.U. member countries are on a self destruct.

Of no return.

This needs compromise on all sides.

The enemy of democracy is the media.

And who controls the media.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Orwellian. Identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.

I agree with you totally, if we stay in the E.U. "

That sounds pretty bad. Can you go into just a little bit more detail, with specific examples, and cross references to any relevant passages from any of Orwell’s work?

Thanks!

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Correct. Nobody knows what the truth is.

I am not a leave or a remain person.

As neutral observer, as to what is taking place in the so called free world. Be it Europe or the USA. Along with a few other countries.

People are only focusing on there own self interest.

People do not want to seem to make compromises any more, to other people, that hold other views to themselves.

If the UK's own parliamentary officials. Along with the E.U. parliament officials are all acting like children.

Then that makes the free world very very vulnerable.

Man has become totally focused on their own self interest and greed. With no thought compromise.

England is being torn into two with.

We want to remain.

We want to leave.

Admittedly. a united Europe is a strong Europe.

But unfortunately, they are not united.

Other countries are waiting, and wanting to leave the E.U. also.

Why you have got to ask yourself.

Further more. The E.U. Parliament has got to ask themselves that question.

It needs someone with Balls, With no self interest or greed. To get up in the E.U. parliament. And tell them.

We are going to find a solution, as to why. Europe, and other E.U. member countries are on a self destruct.

Of no return.

This needs compromise on all sides.

The enemy of democracy is the media.

And who controls the media.

Isn’t it the EU that, for example, wants it bring in checks, balances and regulation aimed at preventing fat cats like Rees-Mogg and his ilk avoiding tax by offshore trickery?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Correct. Nobody knows what the truth is.

I am not a leave or a remain person.

As neutral observer, as to what is taking place in the so called free world. Be it Europe or the USA. Along with a few other countries.

People are only focusing on there own self interest.

People do not want to seem to make compromises any more, to other people, that hold other views to themselves.

If the UK's own parliamentary officials. Along with the E.U. parliament officials are all acting like children.

Then that makes the free world very very vulnerable.

Man has become totally focused on their own self interest and greed. With no thought compromise.

England is being torn into two with.

We want to remain.

We want to leave.

Admittedly. a united Europe is a strong Europe.

But unfortunately, they are not united.

Other countries are waiting, and wanting to leave the E.U. also.

Why you have got to ask yourself.

Further more. The E.U. Parliament has got to ask themselves that question.

It needs someone with Balls, With no self interest or greed. To get up in the E.U. parliament. And tell them.

We are going to find a solution, as to why. Europe, and other E.U. member countries are on a self destruct.

Of no return.

This needs compromise on all sides.

The enemy of democracy is the media.

And who controls the media.

Tell us more about who controls the media?

You obviously think a certain group is pulling the strings.

Care to share???

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

People people people focus on stabilizing Europe first. The swamp then can be emptied a bucket at a time.

The people of the world have had 2 warnings.

A third, we ain't going to be so lucky.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People people people focus on stabilizing Europe first. The swamp then can be emptied a bucket at a time.

The people of the world have had 2 warnings.

A third, we ain't going to be so lucky. "

To cryptic .

Spit it out man.

Have you ever tried emptying a swamp with a bucket ???

are you going to tell us who these individuals or groups who control the media or not??

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

The only way we can save Europe is.

If we save our country first.

If our idiot government agrees with PESCO.

We are doomed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Anyway we are not free. Free countries control their own borders,make their own laws which are not over ruled by laws made by foreigners and another body. Free countries make their own trade deals and take an active seat at the wto,we do not.

We are not free. If we are what did we ,that's me and other British nationals,vote to leave?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there a remainer out there that is prepared to put forward their argument based on truth?

So it might get good by the time 95% of those that voted for it have died of old age!!!!!

Once more i lay down the challenge: name some truthful, viable benefits that will come from brexit within your own lifetime. "

The same benefit every other country outside the eu has....self determination and right to make our own choices without having to be threatened by a lot of eurotrash coming from grotty little countries with no understanding of democracy. Freedom. Freedom. It's all that counts. Money comes and goes,economies go up and down but without freedom you are never in control of your own destiny.

Oh I wouldn't advise you to talk about old people dying? Not very popular. Afterall they built this country and voted leave probably because they want their children to be free. Unlike you they had guts and belief and weren't taught to hate themselves and surrender to a kraut led eu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !"

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !"

Think of it like leaving a gym, or Sky in the middle of a contract. Or paying off a mortgage early. These sorts of things often mean early leaving or repayment fees.

The whole thing about it costing £x to be in the UK kind of misses the point, given that we get a load of it back. Ever seen those ‘Funded by the EU’ anywhere? I’d bet they distribute more money around the UK than Westminster does. The fund announced by the government following Brexit was a fraction of what is distributed by the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain."

Will you forbid me This is bad news for you. Me and my family are British citizens. I hope this is not a problem for you and if it is, go to a pub to cool your head because I think it boiled slightly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

"
Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

That’s all fine and well as your relatively young fit and healthy and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .Others might not fair so well.

After all the suffering and inconvenience .What do you expect Brexit to achieve that makes it all worthwhile.??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

That’s all fine and well as your relatively young fit and healthy and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .Others might not fair so well.

After all the suffering and inconvenience .What do you expect Brexit to achieve that makes it all worthwhile.??"
Honestly ?

I’m hoping it might make us start to actually make us manufacture again .

Grow our own food .

Providing better jobs !

Hopefully make everyone better off !

I can’t say it will , but that’s what I’m hoping .

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By *apiomanMan over a year ago

Shipley

Basically accusing whichever side of this argument we disagree with of having an argument based on lies isn’t actually very helpful. I say this as a remainer, but what I want to see is people actually reaching out across this toxic divide rather than winding each other up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Basically accusing whichever side of this argument we disagree with of having an argument based on lies isn’t actually very helpful. I say this as a remainer, but what I want to see is people actually reaching out across this toxic divide rather than winding each other up. "
A sensible post !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

That’s all fine and well as your relatively young fit and healthy and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .Others might not fair so well.

After all the suffering and inconvenience .What do you expect Brexit to achieve that makes it all worthwhile.?? Honestly ?

I’m hoping it might make us start to actually make us manufacture again .

Grow our own food .

Providing better jobs !

Hopefully make everyone better off !

I can’t say it will , but that’s what I’m hoping ."

Fair enough.

I honestly think our best bet with regard to manufacturing is to manufacture the best machines that do the manufacturing and inventing new materials and technology .The factory floor is in China because labour is cheap that factory floor will move to a cheaper labour force once the Chinese won’t work for peanuts and eventually automation will make the poorest factory workers redundant.

We need to be at the cutting edge of the coming technology revolution and people making stuff with their hands isn’t where it’s at in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

That’s all fine and well as your relatively young fit and healthy and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .Others might not fair so well.

After all the suffering and inconvenience .What do you expect Brexit to achieve that makes it all worthwhile.?? Honestly ?

I’m hoping it might make us start to actually make us manufacture again .

Grow our own food .

Providing better jobs !

Hopefully make everyone better off !

I can’t say it will , but that’s what I’m hoping .

Fair enough.

We need to be at the cutting edge of the coming technology revolution and people making stuff with their hands isn’t where it’s at in my opinion.

"
Yes I think you may be right thier !

I’d like to see a high wage economy with decent jobs , to offset the admittedly higher costs !

I know it won’t happen over night !

I particularly like your idea of making what does the Making !

Wish I’d thought of it !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?"

Why be you? You’re obviously too young to have any experience of hardship so you think its cool to be nationalist and abrasive and yet I wonder if you have any personal experience of working with new citizens ? My experience is that they work bloody hard in jobs that they are often massively over qualified to do and they pay their taxes and are reliable. So maybe your entitled nationalist attitude is actually as unrealistic as the rest of the pro leave guff you trot out. Just saying

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

How would you know how much financial hardship I have known soyaboy?

I've known more than you ever will.

As for working with them I have and I can tell you now they are far from the hard working superheroes you and your ilk claim they are. I've seen many make a speciality out of being shirking d*unken bastards.

Maybe you should grow a backbone and have faith in your country and stop being a cheese eating surrender monkey who's prepared to talk down British workers and crawl like a worm to your unelected masters in the fourh Reich!?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

"
I’m an English nationalist and want a no deal Brexit but also I’m perfectly happy with Polish of anyone else who wants to come here live and work and help make us all better off !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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It’s not worth it...Honestly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?"

Because I like it that way. Does it hurt you? If so, write a letter to your farage idol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

I’m an English nationalist and want a no deal Brexit but also I’m perfectly happy with Polish of anyone else who wants to come here live and work and help make us all better off !

It’s the rich tapestry of people that make this country great.

Those with Jamaican ancestors in my family have a saying.

“Out of many one people “.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

Because I like it that way. Does it hurt you? If so, write a letter to your farage idol.

Haha hurt me?. No.

What has Nig got to do with this?

You could write to Clegg or Abbott or whoever you worship on the pro eu anti British left.

Bye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

Because I like it that way. Does it hurt you? If so, write a letter to your farage idol.

Haha hurt me?. No.

What has Nig got to do with this?

You could write to Clegg or Abbott or whoever you worship on the pro eu anti British left.

Bye."

I don't have political idols like most of you brexiters. Sorry, it was supposed to be populist idols. No bye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

How would you know how much financial hardship I have known soyaboy?

I've known more than you ever will.

What a throughly unpleasant human being

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regain freedom but wait ... We are a free nation.

Are you Polish? If so you cannot use"we" when talking about Britain.

Why call yourself polish?

I’m an English nationalist and want a no deal Brexit but also I’m perfectly happy with Polish of anyone else who wants to come here live and work and help make us all better off !

It’s the rich tapestry of people that make this country great.

Those with Jamaican ancestors in my family have a saying.

“Out of many one people “.

"
Abdolutly !

And I’m a Brexiteer ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately, there are a few idiots here that are not worth paying attention

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Well-done on the rational arguments for leaving

I particularly like the "freedom" one. Which "freedom" has been curtailed that effects anyone's daily life?

Although an answer to this specific question would be interesting, an answer to the OP would be interesting, from someone. Anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just interested."
Yes we do not need a trade deal to trade in and out of the EU. WTO terms are fair to both sides. Ask your self why the EU will not open the trade bag showing what they are going to demand untill we are tied and can not walk away with out paying multi billions to them. Next point is the EU export more into the UK than we export to them so they should be paying the UK for free access to our market. Remember being inside the EU was not and never was a free trade area as our governments prepay every year for the right to trade.

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Just interested.Yes we do not need a trade deal to trade in and out of the EU. WTO terms are fair to both sides. Ask your self why the EU will not open the trade bag showing what they are going to demand untill we are tied and can not walk away with out paying multi billions to them. Next point is the EU export more into the UK than we export to them so they should be paying the UK for free access to our market. Remember being inside the EU was not and never was a free trade area as our governments prepay every year for the right to trade.

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find."

If WTO rules are so good, why are countries so keen to not trade on that basis?

How many states only trade on WTO terms? Have a look see.

We do not just pay for the "right to trade". A lot of that money goes into common regulatory bodies the cost of which is shared by many countries. Bodies that we would otherwise have to pay for on our own. We also pay to be in an association that gives us massive bargaining power in international trade and politics. Far more than we would on our own. Like trade union dues. A well established idea.

Our domestic market is the entire EU. Barely different to buying or selling from down the road.

Where did you come up with the concept of someone paying to sell something to you? Please just sketch out where you have personally experienced this happen?

The UK pays the highest fuel duty in the EU because we choose to charge it. The VAT contribution to the EU is part of our overall annual payment to the budget, not additional to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find."

I actually don't see any "points" in this post

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find."

This is desperate....another blinkered brexiteer who cannot understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch....it beggars belief

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find."

Quite often I get the impression that some people come from another world or were born yesterday

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Next ask your self why we should continue paying 36PPLtariff on our petrol to the EU. That is a fact found on the EU web site it takes a lot of serching to find.

Presumably, therefore, petrol will drop in price by 36p a litre on Nov 1, then?

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By *he SurveyorMan over a year ago

Bury

Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?"

Because as part of that club we get access to the biggest single market in the world that easily makes up that gap and more.

Plus freedom of movement, scientific collaboration, security info sharing, and many more benefits.

Plus we are a major player in that club and wrote a lot of its rules.

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By *ick270Man over a year ago

Here

Now if we lived in Luxemburg we would get £35 back ,hardly a fair club is it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Brexit was based on lies lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok why leave

1 we pay 1 billion a month for a trade deal the same as Canada and Japan. (They pay nothing )

2 it's not all about the money and who gets what, it's about if Britain want to continue to get deeper into the EU superstate.

If you like being part of a united states of Europe then fine remain, if not push to leave simple.

If remain then you never get another chance because superstates don't let you leave. Think about it and make your choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok why leave

1 we pay 1 billion a month for a trade deal the same as Canada and Japan. (They pay nothing )

2 it's not all about the money and who gets what, it's about if Britain want to continue to get deeper into the EU superstate.

If you like being part of a united states of Europe then fine remain, if not push to leave simple.

If remain then you never get another chance because superstates don't let you leave. Think about it and make your choice.

It's absolutely bonkers what some people believe.

Where do you get this nonsense?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

Because as part of that club we get access to the biggest single market in the world that easily makes up that gap and more.

Plus freedom of movement, scientific collaboration, security info sharing, and many more benefits.

Plus we are a major player in that club and wrote a lot of its rules. "

It's pointless still trying to explain the facts to leavers now especially after 3 years of doing so as they simply do not accept facts over the rhetoric of the likes of Farage and now Boris.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I take it you want to be be in a united States of Europe ok that's fine, but don't knock people who don't. And if you think there's not going to be one then I feel sorry for you,because they have been getting there for year's .

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yes.

You may not like it !

But a lot of leavers including me actually thought leaving meant er leave !

A deal to leave never even crossed my mind ! Who leaves a club and pays to do so ?

If Scotland vote to leave the U.K. will they have to seek a deal and pay the UK ?

Leaving on WTT Terms would be hard first !

Good medicine doesn’t always taste nice !

Thier the truth !

Suffering does lead to endurance and builds character .

So how would you like to suffer Mr suit..

Nice one Bob !

Fair enough .

I certainly would expect to pay more for food .

Also medication could well be a problem at first .

Incidentally I liked Corbyns idea about setting up a national company to make our own medications .

I admit I wouldn’t be affected by travel difficulty’s abroad as I currently can’t travel abroad .

I very mutch expect I will be worse off at first !

That’s all fine and well as your relatively young fit and healthy and what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger .Others might not fair so well.

After all the suffering and inconvenience .What do you expect Brexit to achieve that makes it all worthwhile.?? Honestly ?

I’m hoping it might make us start to actually make us manufacture again .

Grow our own food .

Providing better jobs !

Hopefully make everyone better off !

I can’t say it will , but that’s what I’m hoping ."

How does being in the EU prevent us from manufacturing? The main reason manufacturing has declined is due to the influx of cheaper goods from Asia, most notably China. The British steel industry suffered massively from competition from China. Leaving the EU won’t fix that, and will likely make things worse as the UK on its own won’t carry as much clout as the EU as a whole.

How will leaving the EU help us provide better jobs?

It’s great to have hope, but entirely unrealistic to just blindly hope that leaving the EU will magically be able to do any of that.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?"

Do they tell us what to spend money on? I guess I though local authorities applied for EU funding for projects?

Either way, can you give some examples of things EU money has been spent on that you disagree with?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I take it you want to be be in a united States of Europe ok that's fine, but don't knock people who don't. And if you think there's not going to be one then I feel sorry for you,because they have been getting there for year's .

What would be wrong with being in a united states of Europe?

I assume we're talking about some kind of comic book scenario as this is about as unlikely to happen as a man in a bat suit saving the residents of Gotham city from a series of super villains in various fancy dress costumes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What would be wrong with being in a united states of Europe?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"INothing wrong with a superstate but if you don't want it then that's your choice. "

The United Kingdom is a superstate.

Monetary and political union, highly centralised.

Four nations bound together by one.

Bitches.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ok why leave

1 we pay 1 billion a month for a trade deal the same as Canada and Japan. (They pay nothing )

2 it's not all about the money and who gets what, it's about if Britain want to continue to get deeper into the EU superstate.

If you like being part of a united states of Europe then fine remain, if not push to leave simple.

If remain then you never get another chance because superstates don't let you leave. Think about it and make your choice.

Hmmm. We pay £1bn a month for a trade deal? And for that we get the exact same as Japan and Canada? Are you quite sure about that? There’s definitely no other benefits we get that Japan and Canada don’t get? I’ll wait to see what you can find out....

And once the E.U. morphs into a “superstate” we won’t be able to leave? Source? Also, how will this “superstate” differ to the current EU, and what will be some of the key disadvantages?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The United Kingdom is a superstate.

Monetary and political union, highly centralised.

Four nations bound together by one.

Bitches.

The United Kingdom is a "superstate"?

Maybe in your warped mind but to most folk it's the 'United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland'.., Incorporated in 1707.

Hardly a 'superstate' although, together, these four countries have contributed SO much in the intervening 300+ years.

I have no doubt certain people see only the bad, negative, sometimes awful things the UK has committed, their prerogative, I suppose.

Bound together since 1707 as one unified nation. Maybe some people would prefer borders and like returned?

Maybe the old national rivalries returned?

Unbelievable.

Four nations together as one and, thankfully, harmoniously.

The downright nastiness of certain people is staggering and truly disgusting.

How terrible it must be, to live in a land which one sees fit to despise and ridicule at every opportunity.

With no neccesitation whatever to justify one's outbursts.

Pitiful, so pitiful.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?"

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment."

Is there any detail behind how this figure is calculated?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

It came from the CBI.

I imagine it is an estimate.

Those with a bias against the EU tend to look only at direct EU spending on grants, CAP payments to calculate the benefit/cost.

Whereas the payments to the EU also give indirect benefits through access to the single market.

That in turn generates economic activity.

It is the value of that economic activity - the amount attributable to being in the single market - the CBI has sought to quantify.

I imagine there is also a figure somewhere for tax receipts associated with that economic activity.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment."

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

So what is the value of economic activity in the UK derived from being in the single market?

The answer to that is an integral part of the equation about how much the UK pays in and how much the UK gets out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK."

Yes, you only quoted the bits of people quoted on Full Fact that suits your narrative because you've failed to quote the following parts of the same page of the numerous figures that state we have been better off being a member of the EU than if we had not.

I don't know how you managed to miss the rest of the same article

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment."

You mean that money actually does something useful and there’s some sort of economic benefit in being part of one of the biggest trading entities in the world?

That’s incredible! How come no-one mentioned this earlier?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK."

Is that a “Full Fact” or is it the dismissive opinion of a Eurosceptic without any alternative figures put forward?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK.

I don't know how you managed to miss the rest of the same article

I don’t often say this, but...

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

You mean that money actually does something useful and there’s some sort of economic benefit in being part of one of the biggest trading entities in the world?

That’s incredible! How come no-one mentioned this earlier?

Too abstract for some, it appears.

If only the change in your pocket came with some labels to denote the ones generated through EU-derived economic activity.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK.

I don't know how you managed to miss the rest of the same article

Because I was responding to the poster assertion that every household is £3,000 a year better off.

I don't know how you managed to miss that.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Why remain in a club which takes £1 off you and gives you 38p back and tells you how to spend it?

The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment.

I found this on Full Fact:

The CBI figure of £3,000 quoted by Remain campaigners is not a credible estimate, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellow Jonathan Portes.

It is based on a selection of studies produced at different times (some date back well over a decade), with different methodologies, and designed to answer different questions.

Some looked at the economic impact of EU membership to date, and some at the future impact of a vote to leave. Some are not even specific to the UK.

I don't know how you managed to miss the rest of the same article

Because I was responding to the poster assertion that every household is £3,000 a year better off.

I don't know how you managed to miss that."

And you did that by cherry picking a single opinion from a document that included several others.

And still one without any alternative figures.

As counter arguments go, someone essentially just saying ‘I’m not sure about that...’ isn’t the most compelling argument.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Either way, if we’re running with this gag, I’m not sure how you missed my question above....

Is that a “Full Fact” or is it the dismissive opinion of a Eurosceptic without any alternative figures put forward?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Either way, if we’re running with this gag, I’m not sure how you missed my question above....

Is that a “Full Fact” or is it the dismissive opinion of a Eurosceptic without any alternative figures put forward?"

You haven't mentioned this but from the same article;

"If economists are right that EU membership boosted UK growth in the past, there is no guarantee that it would do so in future."

Or this;

"Economic growth on its own does not necessarily mean that you personally or even people generally will be better off.

For that reason, it’s not helpful to take an overall estimate of the effect on the economy and turn it into an amount per household."

Or this;

"This article was written by academic experts at the UK in a Changing Europe initiative, with support from Full Fact, and used as the basis for a feature on ITV News at Ten."

Maybe because they don't fit with your narrative?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Either way, if we’re running with this gag, I’m not sure how you missed my question above....

Is that a “Full Fact” or is it the dismissive opinion of a Eurosceptic without any alternative figures put forward?

You haven't mentioned this but from the same article;

"If economists are right that EU membership boosted UK growth in the past, there is no guarantee that it would do so in future."

Or this;

"Economic growth on its own does not necessarily mean that you personally or even people generally will be better off.

For that reason, it’s not helpful to take an overall estimate of the effect on the economy and turn it into an amount per household."

Or this;

"This article was written by academic experts at the UK in a Changing Europe initiative, with support from Full Fact, and used as the basis for a feature on ITV News at Ten."

Maybe because they don't fit with your narrative?

All sounds a bit vague to be honest. Pointing out that there is guarantee of something happening just because it has happened in the past.... seriously?

Would you also like to argue that just because the UK used to be a leader in world trade back in the days of the British Empire, that’s no guarantee that leaving the EU will see a return to that?

Economic growth may not affect every individual, but it seems obtuse to argue that it won’t be beneficial overall. Would you similarly like to argue that economic recession is no big deal because “recession on its own does not necessarily mean that you personally or even people generally will be worse off.”?

What exactly do you think my “narrative” even is?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Either way, if we’re running with this gag, I’m not sure how you missed my question above....

Is that a “Full Fact” or is it the dismissive opinion of a Eurosceptic without any alternative figures put forward?

You haven't mentioned this but from the same article;

"If economists are right that EU membership boosted UK growth in the past, there is no guarantee that it would do so in future."

Or this;

"Economic growth on its own does not necessarily mean that you personally or even people generally will be better off.

For that reason, it’s not helpful to take an overall estimate of the effect on the economy and turn it into an amount per household."

Or this;

"This article was written by academic experts at the UK in a Changing Europe initiative, with support from Full Fact, and used as the basis for a feature on ITV News at Ten."

Maybe because they don't fit with your narrative?

Is any of this an argument for leaving?

Why do you want to leave the EU?

How will you or anyone else benefit in their daily life?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

In our family we have several households... All on different incomes, numbers of people, outgoings, and circumstances.... Are you saying that each of those households gains the same amount? What about businesses, do they gain or lose or neither, if so how much?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

What data do you have that indicates any benefit from Brexit?

Why do you want Brexit?

Why?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

Brexiteers don't believe in averages. They only believe in the specific benefits purely to themselves. Everyone else can burn in a crumbling wasteland as long as they get to be able to say "we won, get over it".

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

Is that why the remain campaign quantified things in terms of specific beneits to individuals and households?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

Is that why the remain campaign quantified things in terms of specific beneits to individuals and households?"

Surely isn't those figures an average over the entire country

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

Is that why the remain campaign quantified things in terms of specific beneits to individuals and households?

Surely isn't those figures an average over the entire country "

So does that mean some people will be better off and some worse off?

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Finally... here's a thought. you, yes you, if you want to make a REAL difference, if you think you know all the fucking answers... here's what you do, stand for parliament, get involved in the process and make a difference that way, stop bitching on the forums.

Now I need a lie down.

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

With your wonderful brexit, there will be a tiny number of millionaires and billionaires who take an even bigger slice of the money. Everyone else - some will be worse off, some will be even worse off, some will get completely trampled underfoot.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"With your wonderful brexit, there will be a tiny number of millionaires and billionaires who take an even bigger slice of the money. Everyone else - some will be worse off, some will be even worse off, some will get completely trampled underfoot."

Can you provide facts to back this up?

See, anyone can do it...

the sky is blue... prove it

Water is wet...prove it

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By *orksCouple25Couple over a year ago

Leeds

"There is always a question that comes to mind when I see the lack of leavers response to a perfectly valid message.

Mr snowflake himself is back yet again moaning ,whining and whinging zzzzzz . He’s been doing this for nearly 4 years solid and wonders why the country is divided more than ever. If you and all your fellow Remoaners ( not the millions of decent Remain voters who accept the result ) had also accepted the result of the democratic people’s vote we have had lik this country would by now be out of the EU and at least be united in trying to make the best of things whether it turned out to be for better or worse and nobody really knows which it would have been .

Instead people like you have condemned us to a generation of misery akin to a soft civil war regardless now of whether we stay or leave .

Well done and what a terrible thing that your moaning has achieved.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Can you provide facts to back this up?

See, anyone can do it...

the sky is blue... prove it

Water is wet...prove it

What data do you have that indicates any benefit from Brexit?

Anything at all.

Why do you want Brexit?

What's the reason?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, you found one commentator who reckons the figure of £3000 is optimistic.

I'll compromise, then.

Let's say it's actually £2000 a year that every household gains.

Do you also dispute the figure every household pays in £214?

As I asked before... What is the detail behind these figures?

Are you familiar with something called an “average”?

Because if not this is going to be difficult to explain.

I mean seriously, are you trying to argue that during economic growth, or recession, people (and businesses) don’t tend, on average, to be better or worse off respectively?

Is that why the remain campaign quantified things in terms of specific beneits to individuals and households?

Surely isn't those figures an average over the entire country

So does that mean some people will be better off and some worse off? "

Right I've read the section you are referring too...

" The CBI estimates the UK contribution to be £214 per household. In return, the same household gains £3000 in benefits through lower prices, jobs and investment."

So I'd hazard a guess they have taken the amount we pay to be a member of the EU, divided that by the amount of households in the UK to come to the expense figure per household

Then they have calculated the income generated by being a member of the EU and divided that again by the amount of households in the UK to come to an income figure per household

They have deducted from their research that we are in a net positive figure per household but households are just being used as an example to easily quantify and understand the net result in real terms.

That's my understanding of it now reading exactly what the topic was, is.

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By *oolybullyMan over a year ago

Close enough

I initially voted leave due to my concerns over our border policy. I thought it was far too weak. Now, 3 years down the line....

I've never been so sure that I made the right choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I initially voted leave due to my concerns over our border policy. I thought it was far too weak. Now, 3 years down the line....

I've never been so sure that I made the right choice."

So you want a hard border in Northern Ireland I presume ?

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By *oolybullyMan over a year ago

Close enough

I'm not sure why you would presume that.

I've previously patrolled a hard border. There is now a generation of people that have lived without one. It's a far better place without one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not sure why you would presume that.

I've previously patrolled a hard border. There is now a generation of people that have lived without one. It's a far better place without one. "

You said our border policy was too weak but leaving the EU has hit the buffers because of the border in Northern Ireland and leavers generally say we don't need a hard border there....

So if by leaving the EU and you're concerned over our borders then I can only presume you'd require a hard border to satisfy your need to tighten our borders.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Otherwise how does leaving the EU to tighten our borders if we willingly have a wide gaping hole in our Irish border....

That really doesn't go together

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Otherwise how does leaving the EU to tighten our borders if we willingly have a wide gaping hole in our Irish border....

That really doesn't go together "

Currently the Irish border (between The republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) IS wide open, there are no checks, being out of the EU will not change that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me Allah.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Now I need a lie down.

Regarding the stuff that didn’t happen.... you do know we haven’t actually left yet?

Having said that, the pound has weakened significantly against the dollar in particular since 2016, down from around $1.50 to $1.20.

Real wage growth fell after the vote, business investment has barely grown, and UK stocks have performed poorly since the referendum.

If we were to leave without a trade agreement that would have a massive negative impact on small to medium sized UK businesses who currently trade freely with the rest of the EU.

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Otherwise how does leaving the EU to tighten our borders if we willingly have a wide gaping hole in our Irish border....

That really doesn't go together

Currently the Irish border (between The republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) IS wide open, there are no checks, being out of the EU will not change that."

No the EU won't, if a hard border is required then it would be the Irish and UK to establish it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done? "

They haven't caved in and given us our demands

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

They haven't caved in and given us our demands

Are they basically wanting to have all the benefits we had when we were in the EU?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

They haven't caved in and given us our demands

Are they basically wanting to have all the benefits we had when we were in the EU?"

The hardliners don't think there was any benefits to start with

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The UK knows full well that the EU must maintain controls on the perimeter of the single market under the terms of its recognition by the World Trade Organisation.

Can you imagine the UK outrage if a member on the EU perimeter had declared they were going to have an open border to the rest of the world, with no checks on who or what was entering and leaving the EU?

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By *lderguy4uMan over a year ago

wirral

Half of Europe will be in recession soon so fuck them

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Half of Europe will be in recession soon so fuck them "

Funnily enough, there's a new map just been produced, that shows the inequality over the EU.

It staggered me to see the inbalance between the 28 member states.

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By *oolybullyMan over a year ago

Close enough

"Half of Europe will be in recession soon so fuck them

Funnily enough, there's a new map just been produced, that shows the inequality over the EU.

It staggered me to see the inbalance between the 28 member states.

I'm with you.

Fuck em.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is always a question that comes to mind when I see the lack of leavers response to a perfectly valid message.

Instead people like you have condemned us to a generation of misery akin to a soft civil war regardless now of whether we stay or leave .

Well done and what a terrible thing that your moaning has achieved."

Ha ha ha you are such a lovely chap....anyone would think you are still smarting from the last time you looked a bit boorish but hey stick to what you know

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Re the cost/benefit.

Labour in Parliament today said the red tape in no-deal land will add £15bn a year in costs to business.

No, no, said the Minister, it's only £8 billion.

Whatever, there is your annual membership fee turned into red tape for starters.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Half of Europe will be in recession soon so fuck them

Funnily enough, there's a new map just been produced, that shows the inequality over the EU.

It staggered me to see the inbalance between the 28 member states.

I'm with you.

Fuck em."

Which will really help businesses in the UK, which might have to lay people off or go out of business.

But hey, fuck ‘em!

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Half of Europe will be in recession soon so fuck them

Funnily enough, there's a new map just been produced, that shows the inequality over the EU.

It staggered me to see the inbalance between the 28 member states.

Would you also be surprised to learn that there is great imbalance within the U.K. and that some of the tax you pay goes into the benefits system to help support those who are worst off?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://fullfact.org/economy/brexit/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here’s a great one for you, the company I work for organises events globally but mainly in the EU. We have an event in November, in Italy. We asked the Chamber of Commerce what the cost would be to set up a Carnet which is a temporary import licence, like a passport for our goods. Reply, we don’t know! This is a government that said we are prepared, solution, hire everting we need in Italy and use Italian staff. Genius Brexit, losing jobs and trade for the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Here’s a great one for you, the company I work for organises events globally but mainly in the EU. We have an event in November, in Italy. We asked the Chamber of Commerce what the cost would be to set up a Carnet which is a temporary import licence, like a passport for our goods. Reply, we don’t know! This is a government that said we are prepared, solution, hire everting we need in Italy and use Italian staff. Genius Brexit, losing jobs and trade for the UK."

Fascinating - it’s a point I have raised numerous times on the forum in the past but nobody seems to get that it’s a pain in the arse doing a carnet let alone lodging a bond with a factor to make it all possible. But I guess that’s what you call taking back control

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Now I need a lie down.

Regarding the stuff that didn’t happen.... you do know we haven’t actually left yet?

Having said that, the pound has weakened significantly against the dollar in particular since 2016, down from around $1.50 to $1.20.

Real wage growth fell after the vote, business investment has barely grown, and UK stocks have performed poorly since the referendum.

If we were to leave without a trade agreement that would have a massive negative impact on small to medium sized UK businesses who currently trade freely with the rest of the EU.

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done? "

It was predicted that if we voted leave, then the effects mentioned would happen after....its been 3 years, I dont see riots, or Armageddon etc.

I wasnt a big fan of the EU (I know, shocker huh!) even before they fucked Dave off at the high port when he went begging for concessions, but their language after, saying things like they would "punish us" for daring to think we could leave, well, that kinda put the tin lid on it for me.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Now I need a lie down.

Regarding the stuff that didn’t happen.... you do know we haven’t actually left yet?

Having said that, the pound has weakened significantly against the dollar in particular since 2016, down from around $1.50 to $1.20.

Real wage growth fell after the vote, business investment has barely grown, and UK stocks have performed poorly since the referendum.

If we were to leave without a trade agreement that would have a massive negative impact on small to medium sized UK businesses who currently trade freely with the rest of the EU.

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

It was predicted that if we voted leave, then the effects mentioned would happen after....its been 3 years, I dont see riots, or Armageddon etc.

Again, we haven’t left yet.

And pointing out that, to coin a phrase, ‘the world didn’t end’, completely ignores that we will, in all likelihood, be worse off.

By way of analogy, if you were to find that your pay was frozen for a few years die to the economic downturn caused by Brexit, would you cheerily point out to all the naysayers that at least you still had a job?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?"

Google it.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

Brexiteers say it because they need to feel justified in their irrational course of action by claiming to be victims.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

Brexiteers say it because they need to feel justified in their irrational course of action by claiming to be victims."

It was a couple of "former European Ministers" that said things like that.

The European Union did not do a press conference saying it's official EU policy to punish the UK like some leavers would have you believe....

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

I did.

according to google it's mostly just conspiracy theorist websites like the sun and the daily express who claim that the EU are trying to punish us.

There's a few sensible sources that discuss the issue as well, like the FT, BBC, the economist, new statesman etc, but they all conclude it's just a shrill voicing of that particular brand of victim culture that finds fertile ground in the whackier fringes of brexit.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Now I need a lie down.

Regarding the stuff that didn’t happen.... you do know we haven’t actually left yet?

Having said that, the pound has weakened significantly against the dollar in particular since 2016, down from around $1.50 to $1.20.

Real wage growth fell after the vote, business investment has barely grown, and UK stocks have performed poorly since the referendum.

If we were to leave without a trade agreement that would have a massive negative impact on small to medium sized UK businesses who currently trade freely with the rest of the EU.

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

It was predicted that if we voted leave, then the effects mentioned would happen after....its been 3 years, I dont see riots, or Armageddon etc.

You didn't reference your source for that supposed quote, despite it apparently completely fixing your mind. No name, no EU position, nothing.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Project Fear.

Remember that?

Alsorts was predicted.

The crash of the housing market.

Rapid de-valuation of property.

Mass unemployment.

Business's going under left, right and center.

Pound would plummet.

Riots.

Death and destruction.

Collapse of British Society.

Armageddon.

None of this happened...at all.

Before you go pouting, and requiring "proof" of the Leave vote being right or wrong, cast your mind back and ask yourself one thing... did either side acquit themselves with dignity?

The honest answer is "NO".

Now...you are going to hate this, but...

17.4 million people voted to leave.

Screaming, crying, stamping your feet and bitching about how "no leaver will tell the facts" isnt going to change that.

Truth is, I doubt that there is one.single.person. in the forums who actually KNOWS how things are going to go.

Same goes for who was "right" or "wrong" about leaving or remaining.

I DO KNOW that the EU are cunts.

But...that's just my opinion, and, just like arseholes, everyone has one.

Now I need a lie down.

Regarding the stuff that didn’t happen.... you do know we haven’t actually left yet?

Having said that, the pound has weakened significantly against the dollar in particular since 2016, down from around $1.50 to $1.20.

Real wage growth fell after the vote, business investment has barely grown, and UK stocks have performed poorly since the referendum.

If we were to leave without a trade agreement that would have a massive negative impact on small to medium sized UK businesses who currently trade freely with the rest of the EU.

If the EU are cunts, what are some of the most cuntish things they have done?

It was predicted that if we voted leave, then the effects mentioned would happen after....its been 3 years, I dont see riots, or Armageddon etc.

You didn't reference your source for that supposed quote, despite it apparently completely fixing your mind. No name, no EU position, nothing. "

I'll do it. It's from Hans-Olaf Henkel. A former German MEP who's group split from the far right AfD.

Apparently this defines EU negotiating policy

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

And 137 posts later, there still isn't a single one that gives a cogent socio-economic argument for leaving...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And 137 posts later, there still isn't a single one that gives a cogent socio-economic argument for leaving..."

Well every Brexit scenario leaves the UK significantly worse off financially than what we have now so I'm not surprised to be honest and the lack of leavers posting anything I'd say shows they even are starting to be honest about the situation, which can only be a good thing

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

Go and ask nigel farage,oh you will laff an call him a liar etc,but he knows more than most and got the balls to tell them,so if you dont want to hear all sides kep it to yourself op.Eu,germany esp getting too big for their boots,most of our trade is with the eu cuz they wont let us trade elsewhere.its got too corrupt,shud of been just about the market but they even want to pass laws while we waiting to leave that will still burden us.Not a good club anymore the french and germans want it their way all the time.

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By *olly_chromatic OP TV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"Go and ask nigel farage,oh you will laff an call him a liar etc,but he knows more than most and got the balls to tell them,so if you dont want to hear all sides kep it to yourself op.Eu,germany esp getting too big for their boots,most of our trade is with the eu cuz they wont let us trade elsewhere.its got too corrupt,shud of been just about the market but they even want to pass laws while we waiting to leave that will still burden us.Not a good club anymore the french and germans want it their way all the time."

And.... Not one single point of that actually true. Just the rabid ravings of the mail/express/sun. The OP was "argument based on truth" not "argument based on brexiteer fantasies that have been patiently debunked a million times but you still believe because they cater to your prejudices".

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

Hey, you mentioned it. It’s not my job to have to go and Google something vague in the hope that I can discover exactly what formed your opinion.

At a best guess it was probably an off the cuff remark about not wanting to make it easy for the U.K. to just get everything it wants. And why should they, when we’re the ones throwing our toys out of the pram?

But if you can’t express your own actual opinion about it in a little more detail, that’s fine.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Who can’t we trade with because the EU won’t let us? You just made that up! Or someone else did and you’re pretty gullible.

Did you also know that when we leave the EU we’ll be able to have three pin plugs and buy eggs in boxes of 12 again?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So there we have it....not a single real verifiable fact about anything to do with the EU. The one really pertinent fact is that Farage gets paid a lot of money as an MEP for doing fuck all except causing trouble and trying to fuck the EU up because they cost him a lot of money in the past and it’s personal for him. He doesnt give a fuck about any of you I can assure you of that....he’s all piss and vinegar imho.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh, and what laws do they want to pass that you think are bad laws that shouldn’t be passed because the will have a negative impact on us here in the U.K.?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who can’t we trade with because the EU won’t let us? You just made that up! Or someone else did and you’re pretty gullible.

Did you also know that when we leave the EU we’ll be able to have three pin plugs and buy eggs in boxes of 12 again?"

But we already have 3 pin plugs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And 137 posts later, there still isn't a single one that gives a cogent socio-economic argument for leaving..."
.

You don't need a reason for how you vote but if I had to hazard a guess it's probably people fucked off with the entire system.

Bit like all those swampy lot gluing themselves to buildings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

Brexiteers say it because they need to feel justified in their irrational course of action by claiming to be victims.

It was a couple of "former European Ministers" that said things like that.

The European Union did not do a press conference saying it's official EU policy to punish the UK like some leavers would have you believe.... "
.

That's true but then they also caught the dr*nken Belgium blagging about using Ireland as a bargaining tool.

Politicians are politicians all over, they have they're own agenda.

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

They want to dabble in employement laws,so we arent competitive,food industry,they want fishing rights in there favour still,and mainly they want the stock market out of london onto the continent.We build a top tech security system ,which they will block us from using.Basically they want it all and now is the time to stop with their rules an get back to little old england.You all thinkglobalisation is the best way,it wont work and its tearing continents and people apart.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

Who can’t we trade with because the EU won’t let us? You just made that up! Or someone else did and you’re pretty gullible.

Did you also know that when we leave the EU we’ll be able to have three pin plugs and buy eggs in boxes of 12 again?

But we already have 3 pin plugs

They were both genuine examples of reasons people gave on a talk radio show about why they voted to leave.

Maybe not to get three pin plugs back, but they thought we would have to change them because “they have different electrics in Europe”.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"They want to dabble in employement laws,so we arent competitive,food industry,they want fishing rights in there favour still,and mainly they want the stock market out of london onto the continent.We build a top tech security system ,which they will block us from using.Basically they want it all and now is the time to stop with their rules an get back to little old england.You all thinkglobalisation is the best way,it wont work and its tearing continents and people apart."

What are some of these laws and how will they make us less competitive and them more competitive?

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

When we leave the eu will start to crumble,watch out tho we could have another kosovo,just across the channel,disgusting how that came about ,in europe of all places.Oh yeh so did 2 world wars

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When we leave the eu will start to crumble,watch out tho we could have another kosovo,just across the channel,disgusting how that came about ,in europe of all places.Oh yeh so did 2 world wars"

Whatever turns you on bro..

Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside...

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"When we leave the eu will start to crumble,watch out tho we could have another kosovo,just across the channel,disgusting how that came about ,in europe of all places.Oh yeh so did 2 world wars"

Uh-huh. But what are some of these laws they want to introduce that will make us less competitive?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When we leave the eu will start to crumble,watch out tho we could have another kosovo,just across the channel,disgusting how that came about ,in europe of all places.Oh yeh so did 2 world wars

Uh-huh. But what are some of these laws they want to introduce that will make us less competitive? "
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There introducing labour party education reforms

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"Regarding “punishing the U.K.”, who said what exactly, and in what context?

Google it.

Brexiteers say it because they need to feel justified in their irrational course of action by claiming to be victims.

It was a couple of "former European Ministers" that said things like that.

The European Union did not do a press conference saying it's official EU policy to punish the UK like some leavers would have you believe.... "

No way! Really? You mean, yet again, people have latched in to a piece of out context nonsense and used it to form their negative view of the EU rather than be vaguely aware of actual facts and information?

I can hardly believe it!

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually"

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?"

If you don’t know who they are and how they get into their posts , you really shouldn’t be on here . Try google - it will help you understand how the process works

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?"

And I really haven’t got time to list all the outlandish , undemocratic things the EU have done over the years. So just pop into doctor gooogle - the guardian 13 Dec 2008 as a starter for ten and educate yourself instead of acting the forum swot lol

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

Its a democratic vote whats the problem,its just been mushed up and stopped by people who cant face up to it.Or would you rather do it the eu way.Theres generations of kids in spain and greece who future ruined because of brussells

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

Then don’t list them all, just let us know some of the most outlandish things. I’m curious because it usually turns out that these supposedly outlandish things aren’t true.

I’m bit acting anything, I’m just interested in your actual opinion. I would Google, but not even Google is smart enough to tell me the things that you think are outlandish....

Anything on who the “unelected cunts” are, and how they are selected?

Does it also bother you that the Cabinet in the U.K. government isn’t elected?

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

I assume this is in reference to Ireland having a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

It’s certainly interesting that the first referendum had a turn out of 53% and rejected it by a margin of 53% to 47%.

But the second referendum just over a year later had a turn out of 59% and accepted by a margin of 67% to 33%.

As your chosen source, The Guardian, states, “it wasn’t about overturning democracy, but by doing it properly”.

Given the massive change in opinion in such a short time, it seems reasonable to think the first referendum was flawed in some way, such as, I dunno, the voters not having enough information about what it involved. And maybe, by the time they had the second one, they were a lot more informed, and armed with that information voted quite differently.

But what do you think?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually"

Another Brexit delusion.

Three plus years I have been reading this nonsense.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

Another Brexit delusion.

Three plus years I have been reading this nonsense.

Could that be why I was ignored when I asked for a few more details about it? Funny, that!

Still, there’s time yet, so hopefully someone will clear that up....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

Another Brexit delusion.

Three plus years I have been reading this nonsense.

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I know you've got two balls but I didn't know either of them were crystal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

I assume this is in reference to Ireland having a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

It’s certainly interesting that the first referendum had a turn out of 53% and rejected it by a margin of 53% to 47%.

But the second referendum just over a year later had a turn out of 59% and accepted by a margin of 67% to 33%.

As your chosen source, The Guardian, states, “it wasn’t about overturning democracy, but by doing it properly”.

But what do you think?"
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Or maybe they were propagandised for year by the all powerful establishment while being filled with fear.

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

I assume this is in reference to Ireland having a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

It’s certainly interesting that the first referendum had a turn out of 53% and rejected it by a margin of 53% to 47%.

But the second referendum just over a year later had a turn out of 59% and accepted by a margin of 67% to 33%.

As your chosen source, The Guardian, states, “it wasn’t about overturning democracy, but by doing it properly”.

But what do you think?.

Or maybe they were propagandised for year by the all powerful establishment while being filled with fear.

Sure, maybe that was it.

So what was this propaganda?

Any other outlandish things?

Anything at all on who these “unelected cunts” are and how they are selected? I’m genuinely interested as it sounds pretty bad to be fair. And something we should maybe worry about here, as the Cabinet is unelected too.

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By *an For YouMan over a year ago

belfast/holywood

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

I assume this is in reference to Ireland having a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

It’s certainly interesting that the first referendum had a turn out of 53% and rejected it by a margin of 53% to 47%.

But the second referendum just over a year later had a turn out of 59% and accepted by a margin of 67% to 33%.

As your chosen source, The Guardian, states, “it wasn’t about overturning democracy, but by doing it properly”.

But what do you think?.

Or maybe they were propagandised for year by the all powerful establishment while being filled with fear.

Sure, maybe that was it.

So what was this propaganda?

Any other outlandish things?

The ignorance on this thread is simply unbelievable

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *entish79Man over a year ago

Glasgow

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

I assume this is in reference to Ireland having a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?

It’s certainly interesting that the first referendum had a turn out of 53% and rejected it by a margin of 53% to 47%.

But the second referendum just over a year later had a turn out of 59% and accepted by a margin of 67% to 33%.

As your chosen source, The Guardian, states, “it wasn’t about overturning democracy, but by doing it properly”.

But what do you think?.

Or maybe they were propagandised for year by the all powerful establishment while being filled with fear.

Sure, maybe that was it.

So what was this propaganda?

Any other outlandish things?

The ignorance on this thread is simply unbelievable"

Did you just call me ignorant?

Just because I disagree with you, does not make me ignorant.

Just because you can’t or won’t take the time to put your money where your mouth is and answer a couple of straight questions isn’t my fault.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The EU big wigs have always been a bunch of unelected cunts regardless of Brexit. They know if the UK leave , many will follow eventually

“Unelected cunts”?

Can you, in as much detail as possible, talk a bit about how exactly who they are, and how they are selected then?

And maybe give some examples of the most cuntish things they have done, and how those things have negatively impacted either you or the U.K. generally?

The Irish overwhelmingly accepted the Treaty after ammendments were made over concerns about the first one.

What's undemocratic about listening to people's concerns, acting upon them then with those concerns addressed asking a second time if they are happy with it.

The Irish could still have rejected it, they didn't have guns held to their heads in the voting booths...

I could understand the wails of undemocraticness if the EU had bussed in 10 million Polish with temporary Irish citizenship to vote the Treaty through...

All this whining on about "made to vote over and over" until the right result is just bloody rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So to summize the answers to the topics question then, that's a big big no

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By *orksCouple25Couple over a year ago

Leeds

"And 137 posts later, there still isn't a single one that gives a cogent socio-economic argument for leaving..."

1 Not have to follow the Laws enacted by an undemocratic elitist foreign entity ( can you imagine in a million years the Yanks putting up with that ? )

2 Not be subject to a foreign court ( how ridiculous is that for a so called independent country )

3 Have literally Zero control over any one of 500 million people coming to our country so any Criminals or bone idle people with nothing to offer our country can come here on a bus for 30 quid a pop and expect to be housed and fed .We also get far more decent folk coming who have a skill or at least are prepared to work but regarding that see No 5 . No wonder you can’t get an appointment at your local surgery or get your kid in at the local school both of which are full.

4 Belonging to a protection racket called the single market and customs union which puts huge tariffs on imports from poorer countries if those imports compete or threaten the EUs own businesses . The EU is fast shrinking as a market so yes let’s just stick with that rather than looking outwards at the bigger world out there with its much expanding marketplace .

5 Western Europe has stolen and exploited Eastern Europe’s only real asset ie it’s young people who we haven’t paid to be delivered as babies ,nursed , educated , cared for , or brought up thus leaving a huge demographic wasteland East of Germany and Austria .We are literally stripping Eastern Europe of its gene pool .

6 Do any whining Remoaners on here ( Swinging seems to attract more than a fair share it seems ) seriously think the EU is going to survive and prosper ? Do you investigate in any depth the perilous state of its finances or do you just read the Guardian and watch the BBC ? The ECB is printing money in a desperate attempt to stay afloat ,it’s biggest Bank Deutche Bank is Bankrupt under the weight of its derivative exposure , every serious economist in the world known the Euro is fatally flawed with Greece and Germany having to use the same currency being totally ridiculous .If you are a remoaner EU lover and haven’t heard of derivatives and know what they are go away and do your homework before you continue whining on here . I would rather get off the sinking ship and into the first lifeboat.

7 Globalism is being rejected all over Europe and the wider world . More and more people don’t want to just be binary units in some Global order . Instead they yearn for traditions , distinct cultures and basically having an identity not just being automatons to be exploited by the elites.

We should not be even debating all this . We had a vote. By now we should have been out and trying our best as a country to move forward and prosper. Instead the elites backed by the Remoaner extremists ( I’m sure they think they are doing the right thing ) who won’t accept democracy have condemned us to a generation of pure hell . We are now knackered whether we stay or leave because democracy will never again be accepted by the losing side .

A terrible precedent has been set .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And 137 posts later, there still isn't a single one that gives a cogent socio-economic argument for leaving...

1 Not have to follow the Laws enacted by an undemocratic elitist foreign entity ( can you imagine in a million years the Yanks putting up with that ? )

2 Not be subject to a foreign court ( how ridiculous is that for a so called independent country )

A terrible precedent has been set ."

Oh dear....you do sound cross....have you checked your blood pressure today?

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