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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Is a bloody idiot"
How is he?
I often wonder why so many Brexit supporters get so personally inflamed when someone points out the facts, logic and truth that undermines their fantasy world.
Unlike Johnson, Varadkar lives on the island of Ireland and has grown up living and experiencing both the follies and the successes of UK Government policies over the last forty years or so.
I would take more credence from his balanced and articulate prognosis than I would from what Johnson simply wants. Sometimes, the truth is a painful inconvenience. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Ther are plenty who claim 17.4 is a majority of 66.4 "
you do realise under 18s aint allpwed to vote? and the vote was only for british ppl. and people like me who didnt vote aint counted either.i was ok with whatever way the vote went.if it had been remain fair enough as it was leave fair enough aswell |
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Actually I’m a remainer. None of the proposals offer the advantages of remain . But if we must leave, then a deal would be preferable . For the ROI, no deal will screw the Irish far more than the brits. Boris has suggested NI stay in the single market which is the best thing for ROI/NI trade . There is no way Johnson could have proposed staying in the EU customs union as his own party would have slit his throat so his proposal to come out of the customs union was his only option, esprciallly as the DUP would not have countenanced it. There already is a border. Taxes are collected separately in NI and ROI. VAT is different in both countries and collected separately. Corporation tax is collected separately and there are different currencies. All of this has been happening for many years WITH a border. There is no reason why customs duties and tariffs cannot be collected in the same way that all the other differing taxes, rates, currency fluctuations are handled. All varadkar wants is the backstop which gives the EU the right to forever refuse the UK can completely leave. If we do leave without a deal, the ROI economy will be screwed forever as the vast majority of Irish trade is with the UK. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"He doesent Speak for the british ..... He speaks for the irish ! And has put the english in their place !"
The post is about his comment today that the British people want to stay in the eu nothing more.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Like Johnson, Varadkar wasn’t voted in by the people he (so calls) leads.
And like Johnson, he’s as power hungry as the rest of them.
He’s loving the fact he has 26 countries behind him, and at the same time shitting himself they’ll throw him under the bus.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"He doesent Speak for the british ..... He speaks for the irish ! And has put the english in their place !The post is about his comment today that the British people want to stay in the eu nothing more."
well northern ireland DID vote to remain rather than leave......
maybe they consider the peace process and the GFA a price worth maintaining being part of the EU
maybe they considered the border situation a bit more than some did on the mainland...
whereas Bojo's plan basically throws Northern Ireland under the bus (hey why only have one border to worry about when you can have two!) and gives power of veto to the DUP.....
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"He doesent Speak for the british ..... He speaks for the irish ! And has put the english in their place !The post is about his comment today that the British people want to stay in the eu nothing more."
Brexiteers are such snowflakes. He was observing that recent polls all show a lead for Remain. Obviously polls can be taken with a pinch of salt, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that Britain is not wholly comprised of Brexiteers, despite what they'd have you believe.
And for such an uncontroversial comment Brexiteers lose their shit. Sad. |
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"Ther are plenty who claim 17.4 is a majority of 66.4
you do realise under 18s aint allpwed to vote? and the vote was only for british ppl. and people like me who didnt vote aint counted either.i was ok with whatever way the vote went.if it had been remain fair enough as it was leave fair enough aswell"
So we take off 18 million unregistered voters.
So where does 17.4 million become the majority of
48 million ?
16.2 said remain.
If we take 500,000 tied up in Hospital
100,000 who were away & didnt bother to register
by proxy another 100,000 on the lowest income who.really couldnt afford to spend the £2 bus fair on a vote just in case they needed that £2 for the last bit of grub.
25,000 homeless , brings it to about so call it a round million . Brings the total to 35 million if were generous
With an almost 50/50 split.
That leaves 13 million with no vote
Which if you break it down leads to
Unregistred voters u18s & prisoners foreign nationals
Visiting working or schooling here
So
28.0 % couldnt vote 18.6 mill
25.6 % vote leave 17.4 mill
24.4 % vote remain 16.2 mill
22% didnt bother . 13.0 mill approx
100 .0 % Total Vote
How does that make as you suggest the Majority of
the uk Voted to leave ?
I think it shows clearly only that what Leo said
The Majority of the people of the uk, didnt vote
to leave the EU
Therefore
It can be clearly said the Uk public does
not want to leave the UK.
No wonder leavers or cant be bothereds
Fall for this claptrap they get fed.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"
He’s loving the fact he has 26 countries behind him, and at the same time shitting himself they’ll throw him under the bus.
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In Europe, it's something of a test case.
One of the smaller members is vulnerable to external forces outwith its control.
Will the larger members, e.g. Germany and France, put the interests of the smaller member before their own?
The answer so far is a resounding Yes.
That gives confidence to other smaller states about the value of the EU.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"Ther are plenty who claim 17.4 is a majority of 66.4
you do realise under 18s aint allpwed to vote? and the vote was only for british ppl. and people like me who didnt vote aint counted either.i was ok with whatever way the vote went.if it had been remain fair enough as it was leave fair enough aswell
So we take off 18 million unregistered voters.
So where does 17.4 million become the majority of
48 million ?
16.2 said remain.
If we take 500,000 tied up in Hospital
100,000 who were away & didnt bother to register
by proxy another 100,000 on the lowest income who.really couldnt afford to spend the £2 bus fair on a vote just in case they needed that £2 for the last bit of grub.
25,000 homeless , brings it to about so call it a round million . Brings the total to 35 million if were generous
With an almost 50/50 split.
That leaves 13 million with no vote
Which if you break it down leads to
Unregistred voters u18s & prisoners foreign nationals
Visiting working or schooling here
So
28.0 % couldnt vote 18.6 mill
25.6 % vote leave 17.4 mill
24.4 % vote remain 16.2 mill
22% didnt bother . 13.0 mill approx
100 .0 % Total Vote
How does that make as you suggest the Majority of
the uk Voted to leave ?
I think it shows clearly only that what Leo said
The Majority of the people of the uk, didnt vote
to leave the EU
Therefore
It can be clearly said the Uk public does
not want to leave the UK.
No wonder leavers or cant be bothereds
Fall for this claptrap they get fed.
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and neither did a majority vote to remain it works both ways.dress it up how you want the ones eligble to vote voted and it was leave.like i said i didnt vote but u cant take that as my vote would of been remain.i was ok watever way it went.i dont vote as its a waste of time if u think your vote is something special that your belief.at the end of the day they not gona leave.but then that opens another can. of worms .i honestley think you are gona get a lot of votes going to the far left and far right at nxt GE. labour and the torys are gona lose a lot of votes.and when i say far right im not tlkin about farrage.he just a distraction there are a lot worse people from both sides than him out there |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
and what makes you think im a leaver??? i think leavers and remainers are both as mental as each other.so ehat makes you think the majority want to remain i dont care either way will have no effect to my life u cant have any less than fuck. so no change for me |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Johnson knows he cannot get an agreement through Parliament.
The militant wing of the Conservative Party, the ERG, has said it will vote against ANY agreement with the EU.
(Would they also be expelled, I wonder.)
So all this stuff is simply going through the motions, to create the appearance of the UK being the reasonable party and the EU the unreasonable party.
So that when it all goes tits up, Boris can hold a line saying it wasn't his fault.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"yep seems he doesnt think 52% is bigger than 48%  "
Why should Varadkar care what the percentage vote was?
He and the EU do not have to do anything to benefit us. He has to do what he thinks is in the best interests of his country. The EU have backed Ireland and will continue to do so because they will squabble internally but protect the group.
We are leaving the group but seem to have it in our heads that they should still treat us better than one of their own.
Flawed logic. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"and what makes you think im a leaver??? i think leavers and remainers are both as mental as each other.so ehat makes you think the majority want to remain i dont care either way will have no effect to my life u cant have any less than fuck. so no change for me"
You have bravely taken no position and chosen to criticise everyone then?
Top job  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Ther are plenty who claim 17.4 is a majority of 66.4
you do realise under 18s aint allpwed to vote? and the vote was only for british ppl. and people like me who didnt vote aint counted either.i was ok with whatever way the vote went.if it had been remain fair enough as it was leave fair enough aswell
So we take off 18 million unregistered voters.
So where does 17.4 million become the majority of
48 million ?
16.2 said remain.
If we take 500,000 tied up in Hospital
100,000 who were away & didnt bother to register
by proxy another 100,000 on the lowest income who.really couldnt afford to spend the £2 bus fair on a vote just in case they needed that £2 for the last bit of grub.
25,000 homeless , brings it to about so call it a round million . Brings the total to 35 million if were generous
With an almost 50/50 split.
That leaves 13 million with no vote
Which if you break it down leads to
Unregistred voters u18s & prisoners foreign nationals
Visiting working or schooling here
So
28.0 % couldnt vote 18.6 mill
25.6 % vote leave 17.4 mill
24.4 % vote remain 16.2 mill
22% didnt bother . 13.0 mill approx
100 .0 % Total Vote
How does that make as you suggest the Majority of
the uk Voted to leave ?
I think it shows clearly only that what Leo said
The Majority of the people of the uk, didnt vote
to leave the EU
Therefore
It can be clearly said the Uk public does
not want to leave the UK.
No wonder leavers or cant be bothereds
Fall for this claptrap they get fed.
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Seems like a slightly pointless statistical argument though.
There was a vote and the majority who voted, voted to leave.
That is true.
The majority did not give a crap or did not have the right to express their opinion, but under the rules that exist.
What is debatable is the quality of information provided.
What is debatable is the relevance of Arabic immigrants or the proximity of Turkey to Syria.
What is debatable is any benefit whatsoever of leaving.
What is interesting is the demographic balance of leave and remain.
What is interesting is that democracies function by compromise and finding ways to accommodate and tolerate minorities. However, when the minority is 48% of those who voted completely ignoring their position is not a path to success. |
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"Ther are plenty who claim 17.4 is a majority of 66.4
you do realise under 18s aint allpwed to vote? and the vote was only for british ppl. and people like me who didnt vote aint counted either.i was ok with whatever way the vote went.if it had been remain fair enough as it was leave fair enough aswell
So we take off 18 million unregistered voters.
So where does 17.4 million become the majority of
48 million ?
16.2 said remain.
If we take 500,000 tied up in Hospital
100,000 who were away & didnt bother to register
by proxy another 100,000 on the lowest income who.really couldnt afford to spend the £2 bus fair on a vote just in case they needed that £2 for the last bit of grub.
25,000 homeless , brings it to about so call it a round million . Brings the total to 35 million if were generous
With an almost 50/50 split.
That leaves 13 million with no vote
Which if you break it down leads to
Unregistred voters u18s & prisoners foreign nationals
Visiting working or schooling here
So
28.0 % couldnt vote 18.6 mill
25.6 % vote leave 17.4 mill
24.4 % vote remain 16.2 mill
22% didnt bother . 13.0 mill approx
100 .0 % Total Vote
How does that make as you suggest the Majority of
the uk Voted to leave ?
I think it shows clearly only that what Leo said
The Majority of the people of the uk, didnt vote
to leave the EU
Therefore
It can be clearly said the Uk public does
not want to leave the UK.
No wonder leavers or cant be bothereds
Fall for this claptrap they get fed.
and neither did a majority vote to remain it works both ways.dress it up how you want the ones eligble to vote voted and it was leave.like i said i didnt vote but u cant take that as my vote would of been remain.i was ok watever way it went.i dont vote as its a waste of time if u think your vote is something special that your belief.at the end of the day they not gona leave.but then that opens another can. of worms .i honestley think you are gona get a lot of votes going to the far left and far right at nxt GE. labour and the torys are gona lose a lot of votes.and when i say far right im not tlkin about farrage.he just a distraction there are a lot worse people from both sides than him out there"
When have l
Remainers ever said the Majority of the Contry Voted to leave.
Leavers quote that as fact everyday. |
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By *r1Mrs1Couple
over a year ago
Dublin |
"Actually I’m a remainer. None of the proposals offer the advantages of remain . But if we must leave, then a deal would be preferable . For the ROI, no deal will screw the Irish far more than the brits. Boris has suggested NI stay in the single market which is the best thing for ROI/NI trade . There is no way Johnson could have proposed staying in the EU customs union as his own party would have slit his throat so his proposal to come out of the customs union was his only option, esprciallly as the DUP would not have countenanced it. There already is a border. Taxes are collected separately in NI and ROI. VAT is different in both countries and collected separately. Corporation tax is collected separately and there are different currencies. All of this has been happening for many years WITH a border. There is no reason why customs duties and tariffs cannot be collected in the same way that all the other differing taxes, rates, currency fluctuations are handled. All varadkar wants is the backstop which gives the EU the right to forever refuse the UK can completely leave. If we do leave without a deal, the ROI economy will be screwed forever as the vast majority of Irish trade is with the UK. "
This is actually untrue. The vast majority of Irish trade is not with the UK. Yes the Irish economy will suffer but not nearly as much as the UK economy will suffer after leaving the EU. |
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and how the fuck does he know what the British people want?
