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The majority of the United Kingdom did not vote to leave the EU
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over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.  "
No but 17.5 million need their voices heard nonetheless.
That's coming from a staunch remoaner too... |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
The minority of the people that cared enough about it voted to stay. So it can’t be that great a thing..  |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
If they couldn't be bothered to vote their opinion is null and void! Just saying |
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"If they had the right to vote and have an opinion one way or the other, then they only have themselves to blame for not exercising their right to vote when they had the opportunity "
I didn’t vote, so I realise that I cannot complain about any outcome, however the reason I did not vote was because neither side provided a compelling enough argument for me to make an informed decision.
I feel a lot of votes were cast on the strength of gut feeling, un-conscious and conscious bias and misinformation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
They should of voted then .too late to cry over spilt milk now |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
If they couldn't be bothered to vote their opinion is null and void! Just saying "
I was merely stating fact, not offering any opinion to the outcome of the referendum.
Just pointing out that to say the majority of people want the result of the vote is factually incorrect. See my post above. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. They should of voted then .too late to cry over spilt milk now"
It has been well and truly spilled as well. What a fucking mess. |
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I understand what you are saying but if people cannot be bothered to turn up to vote, they have no right to complain about the outcome.
Of those that turned up to vote, the majority said leave, so that’s the outcome.
I was a remainer, but we have a democracy for a reason, let’s just get it done so everyone knows where they stand and, if needed, adapt their life accordingly. All this discord is no good for anyone |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I understand what you are saying but if people cannot be bothered to turn up to vote, they have no right to complain about the outcome.
Of those that turned up to vote, the majority said leave, so that’s the outcome.
I was a remainer, but we have a democracy for a reason, let’s just get it done so everyone knows where they stand and, if needed, adapt their life accordingly. All this discord is no good for anyone "
Very well said |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria |
Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I understand what you are saying but if people cannot be bothered to turn up to vote, they have no right to complain about the outcome.
Of those that turned up to vote, the majority said leave, so that’s the outcome.
I was a remainer, but we have a democracy for a reason, let’s just get it done so everyone knows where they stand and, if needed, adapt their life accordingly. All this discord is no good for anyone "
Wise and considerate as always  |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone"
It got politically corrected away  |
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"If they had the right to vote and have an opinion one way or the other, then they only have themselves to blame for not exercising their right to vote when they had the opportunity
I didn’t vote, so I realise that I cannot complain about any outcome, however the reason I did not vote was because neither side provided a compelling enough argument for me to make an informed decision.
I feel a lot of votes were cast on the strength of gut feeling, un-conscious and conscious bias and misinformation. "
I went out for dinner with my 96 year old grandad the week of the referendum and asked where he got his information from. He told me that with the click of a mouse he could fact check almost any claim made by either camp. That he could find opinion pieces in newspapers and magazines, watch videos online and message the people involved on social media.
I then asked him about the availability of the same information in 1975..
I’m not sure how much bias or misinformation was around then, but the upshot was the country was bullied into joining an organisation which has exceeded unchecked its original purpose. The public has were not asked their opinion for 40 years, yet the establishment were shocked that in the modern climate people just didn’t go along with them.
I find all the comments made about not knowing what the issues were or what the likely outcomes might be completely ridiculous. There was a balanced amount of bias on both sides, and all the ‘facts’ are checkable. The people complaining are largely speaking those that could’ve be bothered to. |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
The majority of people who voted did so to leave.
By default the ones who didn't vote didn't give a shit either way. |
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" I feel a lot of votes were cast on the strength of gut feeling, un-conscious and conscious bias and misinformation.
Just like any ordinary general election, then....  "
And with the addition of white van driver voters... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
It got politically corrected away "
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Let's have some trade agreements before we leave tho eh?
And ffs let's keep the peace in NI. Took 100 years to get there. "
We aren't allowed any trade agreements before we leave are we???? lol |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Let's have some trade agreements before we leave tho eh?
And ffs let's keep the peace in NI. Took 100 years to get there. "
And if you want to keep peace in NI don't prosecute soldiers for doing their job! |
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A lot of the can't be arsed to vote people would have voted to leave if they could have be bothered to register or be bothered to vote though.
Not all mind just the lazy ones.
The other more intelligent ok slightly more intelligent ones would have voted to remain so there weren't warehouse jobs available that they would have been forced to take or be sanctioned. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
It got politically corrected away
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Nice heels  just trying to lower the tone before this turns into an out of hand political thread |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"A lot of the can't be arsed to vote people would have voted to leave if they could have be bothered to register or be bothered to vote though.
Not all mind just the lazy ones.
The other more intelligent ok slightly more intelligent ones would have voted to remain so there weren't warehouse jobs available that they would have been forced to take or be sanctioned. "
how demeaning and disrespectful is that???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
And by the same token, more people didn't vote to remain than did.
You see, you can argue about what those that didn't vote (for whatever reason) might think about brexit until you're blue in the face.
A remainer will argue that they were in favour of remaining and din't think brexit would win, so didn't feel the need to vote, whilst a brexiter might argue that they wanted to leave, but assumed remain would win and didn't think their vote would make a difference.
The truth is, nobody knows. |
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"I was one of those undecided voters who finally decided on remain..
Should we vote again (I do hope not!) I would vote to leave as was the decision in 2016...
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Even though it would almost certainly make things worse economically?
I understand the bit about respecting the original result, but how much does it really count for if a lot of people voted on false premises, and false promises? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whilst in concept the EU is a wonderful idea, 28 sovereign states working together, supporting each other, avoiding conflict and discord. In reality it's become a corrupt megalomaniac organisation filled with officials whom havent been elected and who have no accountability to anyone. The whole cost of Brussels is astronomical and will only continue to get higher. From what I see now they are definitely trying to punish the UK for daring to try and leave and will ensure we pay for it big time as they know if the uk leaves and prospers the eurocrats in their cushy jobs will be unemployed as it implodes when other countries leave. It's like communism looks good but doesnt work with human nature and greed.. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I was one of those undecided voters who finally decided on remain..
Should we vote again (I do hope not!) I would vote to leave as was the decision in 2016...
Even though it would almost certainly make things worse economically?
I understand the bit about respecting the original result, but how much does it really count for if a lot of people voted on false premises, and false promises?"
good factual argument for remaining  |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Whilst in concept the EU is a wonderful idea, 28 sovereign states working together, supporting each other, avoiding conflict and discord. In reality it's become a corrupt megalomaniac organisation filled with officials whom havent been elected and who have no accountability to anyone. The whole cost of Brussels is astronomical and will only continue to get higher. From what I see now they are definitely trying to punish the UK for daring to try and leave and will ensure we pay for it big time as they know if the uk leaves and prospers the eurocrats in their cushy jobs will be unemployed as it implodes when other countries leave. It's like communism looks good but doesnt work with human nature and greed.."
lovely breasts  |
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Thats why it was not a binding result. The government can ignore it if they want.
But because the majority of people who voted in England wanted to leave then they wont ignore it.
If scotland tipped them into leaving and England wanted to stay, then all this talk about respecting voices would be chucked out the window, BBC and all other media would make it clear that the vote was not binding, just advisory, and the advice would be ignore with a promise to introduce a binding referendum off the back of the result some time in the future. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Thats why it was not a binding result. The government can ignore it if they want.
But because the majority of people who voted in England wanted to leave then they wont ignore it.
If scotland tipped them into leaving and England wanted to stay, then all this talk about respecting voices would be chucked out the window, BBC and all other media would make it clear that the vote was not binding, just advisory, and the advice would be ignore with a promise to introduce a binding referendum off the back of the result some time in the future."
since when has the BBC given any respect to the outcome of the referendum??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying. |
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
It got politically corrected away
Nice heels just trying to lower the tone before this turns into an out of hand political thread "
Thank you, I know I started this but it was never meant to be about leave or stay it was more a point about how we use statistics to say what we want them to say and that actually all democracy is inherently flawed unless everybody is in agreement in which case it’s not needed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they had the right to vote and have an opinion one way or the other, then they only have themselves to blame for not exercising their right to vote when they had the opportunity
I didn’t vote, so I realise that I cannot complain about any outcome, however the reason I did not vote was because neither side provided a compelling enough argument for me to make an informed decision.
I feel a lot of votes were cast on the strength of gut feeling, un-conscious and conscious bias and misinformation. "
As you said, if you didn’t vote you can’t really complain.
I voted, I voted remain. I agree neither side provided a compelling enough argument, however when it come to voting I thought for me better to vote to stay the same, rather than vote for a change I’m not 100% sure about. |
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying."
Who’s whining about it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?"
Remoaners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners."
Is everyone who voted Remain a “Remoaner”? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners."
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it. |
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"Whilst in concept the EU is a wonderful idea, 28 sovereign states working together, supporting each other, avoiding conflict and discord. In reality it's become a corrupt megalomaniac organisation filled with officials whom havent been elected and who have no accountability to anyone. The whole cost of Brussels is astronomical and will only continue to get higher. From what I see now they are definitely trying to punish the UK for daring to try and leave and will ensure we pay for it big time as they know if the uk leaves and prospers the eurocrats in their cushy jobs will be unemployed as it implodes when other countries leave. It's like communism looks good but doesnt work with human nature and greed.."
This |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Yup. And the majority were lied to on what the benefits would be if the votes yes
That's true, but none of us were asked if we wanted to be in the EU..."
Just as the remain side lied about a huge amount of stuff, least of all the catastrophic impact of an out vote, and to be clear yes they said just the vote outcome would be catastrophic bevore anyone tries to say otherwise |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it. "
nice ass too and a very grown up, respectful view of the world |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
Is everyone who voted Remain a “Remoaner”? "
No, but what was written in the opening post is a popular argument amongst remainers who refuse to accept the result. These are the remoaners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it.
nice ass too and a very grown up, respectful view of the world "
Hey. I’m not ready to be a grown up just yet |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it.
nice ass too and a very grown up, respectful view of the world
Hey. I’m not ready to be a grown up just yet "
OK I will take that bit back but not the bit about the ass |
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
Is everyone who voted Remain a “Remoaner”?
No, but what was written in the opening post is a popular argument amongst remainers who refuse to accept the result. These are the remoaners."
The opening post was neutral and offered no opinion as to leave or stay, as usual in any political discourse people decide what they want to hear often before hearing it.
You yourself used the phrase You when referring to people. The use of you has the inference that an opinion was being directed at somebody of whom you are unaware as to their actual opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it.
nice ass too and a very grown up, respectful view of the world
Hey. I’m not ready to be a grown up just yet
OK I will take that bit back but not the bit about the ass "
Well of course. My arse is pretty good tbf. That’s arse not ass. I may be a remainer but I’m still English |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The referendum was a sham. Both arguments, stay and remain, were all scare mongering campaigns with very little substance and or facts! Hence why a lot of people didn't vote!
Politicians need to start being held to account for their actions. I'm my opinion they use their positions to better their own agenda to move on to jobs that pay big bucks off the back of their political career.
I had a lot of respect for Cameron until the end. To jump ship because your plan back fired.....! He should be black listed from government employment after that! |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
I’m a remainer but I’m not a remoaner. It is what it is. I think it’s a damn shame and an absolute nightmare but it’s still what it is. Accept it.
nice ass too and a very grown up, respectful view of the world
Hey. I’m not ready to be a grown up just yet
OK I will take that bit back but not the bit about the ass
Well of course. My arse is pretty good tbf. That’s arse not ass. I may be a remainer but I’m still English "
ass or arse I am still staring at it 
I am sure arse is an american term tho |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now. |
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"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The result merely shows that the strength of conviction amongst leavers was greater, therefore the result stands.
If you don't vote it means you don't care. It's their own look out if they were too bone idle to get off their arses and vote. You can't whine about it now.
Just saying.
Who’s whining about it?
Remoaners.
Is everyone who voted Remain a “Remoaner”?
No, but what was written in the opening post is a popular argument amongst remainers who refuse to accept the result. These are the remoaners.
The opening post was neutral and offered no opinion as to leave or stay, as usual in any political discourse people decide what they want to hear often before hearing it.
You yourself used the phrase You when referring to people. The use of you has the inference that an opinion was being directed at somebody of whom you are unaware as to their actual opinion. "
Perhaps this was caused by your use of the postscript 'just saying' implying that the comment is not neutral. As i said it's a popular argument used by remoaners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now."
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now."
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face |
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By *aysolCouple
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
Wow captain obvious has an announcement
Surprise we didnt let 3 year olds vote.
Dude get over it. It was litterally the second highest turnout in modern history by a very small margin.
So yeh, I'm sorry to tell you but you're not such a genious |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now.
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face"
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now.
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face
Oh god I’m worse face to face!! "
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By *aysolCouple
over a year ago
Swansea |
"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now."
Yep. I agree and I'm a staunch Brexiteer. However, that's how it works in the UK so we can't rewrite the rules after the fact. All Scotland needed was a simple majority to leave the union, which they may end up doing after Brexit (I hope not but its their choice at the end of the day) |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone"
Some people would say that
Some people are nationalistic, jingoistic idiots who spend too much time reading the Daily Mail
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
So following your logic an even bigger majority did not vote to remain."
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now.
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face
Oh god I’m worse face to face!! "
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"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now.
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face
Oh god I’m worse face to face!!
and what about in 69 position? "
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"I was a remainer but accept the majority vote - even though I totally disagree with it - those that didn't vote don't count and therefore cannot be held up as part of a majority in either direction.
The biggest problem with Brexit was the fact that the majority needed was set to 50/50 - in most other national referendums it's set to at least 60/40 so there has to be a clear majority for it to count - Brexit was 52% leave and 48% remain, which is an incredibly narrow margin statistically and why the country is so divided over it now.
I think unfortunately the country is so divided because we have lost the art of civilised debate and respecting of other peoples viewpoints, resulting in largely offensive name calling and blaming which just accentuates the issue - lergely because people think they can say what the hell they like when hiding behind a computer, most of these people (whichever side of the argument) wouldn't dare articulate such views face to face
Oh god I’m worse face to face!!
and what about in 69 position?
Bloody hell. I struggle to concentrate on 2 things at once with that! Never mind 3! "
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
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Britain will never come to terms with its true place in the world until it learns to move on from World War Two.
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
Britain will never come to terms with its true place in the world until it learns to move on from World War Two.
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it is interesting - i was at a dinner the other week sat next to a German lady and it is very clear that they actually fixate on the war way more than we do. she very clearly saw the EU as a reason for why there has been no war since ww11 and they are still very self conscious about. probably not helped by brits constantly raising the issue too though. |
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
Some people would say that
Some people are nationalistic, jingoistic idiots who spend too much time reading the Daily Mail
-Matt"
That's true, other people result to insults rather than trying to understand others points of view. |
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
Britain will never come to terms with its true place in the world until it learns to move on from World War Two.
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And where is that? |
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
Some people would say that
Some people are nationalistic, jingoistic idiots who spend too much time reading the Daily Mail
-Matt
That's true, other people result to insults rather than trying to understand others points of view. "
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
Wow captain obvious has an announcement
Surprise we didnt let 3 year olds vote.
Dude get over it. It was litterally the second highest turnout in modern history by a very small margin.
So yeh, I'm sorry to tell you but you're not such a genious "
If you’d read most of my posts you’ll find that I was not making comment on the result of the referendum, its mandate or even whether I agree with it, and actually I still haven’t said whether or not I do.
You were right about one thing, I was stating the obvious which is obviously difficult for people to deal with. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
Wow captain obvious has an announcement
Surprise we didnt let 3 year olds vote.
Dude get over it. It was litterally the second highest turnout in modern history by a very small margin.
So yeh, I'm sorry to tell you but you're not such a genious
If you’d read most of my posts you’ll find that I was not making comment on the result of the referendum, its mandate or even whether I agree with it, and actually I still haven’t said whether or not I do.
You were right about one thing, I was stating the obvious which is obviously difficult for people to deal with. "
there is a very clear inference in everything you have said |
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? Britain counts for nothing these days and it’s about time we did, appears we are becoming more of a joke by the day, god only knows what’s happened to the English back bone
Britain will never come to terms with its true place in the world until it learns to move on from World War Two.
it is interesting - i was at a dinner the other week sat next to a German lady and it is very clear that they actually fixate on the war way more than we do. she very clearly saw the EU as a reason for why there has been no war since ww11 and they are still very self conscious about. probably not helped by brits constantly raising the issue too though."
In fairness. The Germans actually caused World War Two. And not as a result of a territorial claim or expansion of empire, but by a flawed supremacist policy which ultimately led to the deaths of 10 million people. And all this within living memory. Touchy about it? Yeah, I’d say they would be..
Post World War Two Britain has not been a member of the EU for about the same time as it hasn’t been a member. Peace has come about through the existence of a Cold War, the presence of American troops and missiles in Western Europe and most of the large militarised countries being members of NATO.
The ‘peace’ argument is hardly praise of the EU. Proof that most countries would not stand side to side comes from a refusal to commit resources to pretty much any other conflict since the war. Fortunately we are going to leave the EU rather than go to eat with them. And Germany’s armed forces are barely capable of operating |
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It is so long since the referendum that one politician said that it doesn't count because so many who voted are now dead...
I do not condone the rising tide of anger towards politicians but I can understand people's frustration with them.
There is talk of the spitting image show making a return. No need, just watch the behaviour of those clowns in the Commons |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
Wow captain obvious has an announcement
Surprise we didnt let 3 year olds vote.
Dude get over it. It was litterally the second highest turnout in modern history by a very small margin.
So yeh, I'm sorry to tell you but you're not such a genious
If you’d read most of my posts you’ll find that I was not making comment on the result of the referendum, its mandate or even whether I agree with it, and actually I still haven’t said whether or not I do.
You were right about one thing, I was stating the obvious which is obviously difficult for people to deal with.
there is a very clear inference in everything you have said"
May I ask what that is? |
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over a year ago
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Jesus this escalated. I started out defending you lot, why do I bother.
My own fault for posting. Impossible to have a rational discussion online. Should know better...
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You all missing the point we have a democracy which voted to leave .I heard one teenager saying I wasn't 18 then I should get a vote I mean why...the point we missing is the politicians had three years to work on it and all they did was stall give in or feather their own nests with million pound pensions.the whole lot are not fit for office.with majority thinking they know best |
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It's important that the populations current needs are addressed for the future, especially as millions are now more informed than they were over 3 years ago. The current PM has proposed a no deal solution that was 100% excluded from anyone's voting options at that referendum - not even a minority of a minority voted for it.
Thankfully in a representative democracy, parliament has sovereignty, with the elected representatives having the power and means needed to ensure that the present electorates and country's best interests are served today. A referendum would be potentially the most appropriate way to gauge the present electorates views upon the currently very different options and needs. |
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By *dinMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"It's important that the populations current needs are addressed for the future, especially as millions are now more informed than they were over 3 years ago. The current PM has proposed a no deal solution that was 100% excluded from anyone's voting options at that referendum - not even a minority of a minority voted for it.
Thankfully in a representative democracy, parliament has sovereignty, with the elected representatives having the power and means needed to ensure that the present electorates and country's best interests are served today. A referendum would be potentially the most appropriate way to gauge the present electorates views upon the currently very different options and needs. "
a very polite way of saying the people who voted out are stupid and so we need another vote to get the 'right' answer. very representative of the undemocratic EU. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
To quote James O'Brien from LBC;
"If you don't vote then you have no right to voice an opinion on the outcome of that vote, nor to complain about its consequences" |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"If they had the right to vote and have an opinion one way or the other, then they only have themselves to blame for not exercising their right to vote when they had the opportunity
I didn’t vote, so I realise that I cannot complain about any outcome, however the reason I did not vote was because neither side provided a compelling enough argument for me to make an informed decision.
I feel a lot of votes were cast on the strength of gut feeling, un-conscious and conscious bias and misinformation. "
Yes, on both sides. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
To quote James O'Brien from LBC;
"If you don't vote then you have no right to voice an opinion on the outcome of that vote, nor to complain about its consequences""
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
To quote James O'Brien from LBC;
"If you don't vote then you have no right to voice an opinion on the outcome of that vote, nor to complain about its consequences""
To quote myself, well paraphrase myself,
I know, I agree with you that’s why I’m not.
I love James O’Brians book. |
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"I was one of those undecided voters who finally decided on remain..
Should we vote again (I do hope not!) I would vote to leave as was the decision in 2016...
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Maybe the decision to leave was heavily influenced by people who were undecided like yourself but finally opted for Leave. Given the number of "undecided" in polls prior to any poll or election, do you really want to the future of the UK to be decided by those who haven't really made up their mind?
Also, if you were undecided then, given all the claims made by Remain and Yellowhammer etc, surely this should influence you one way or the other? i.e. If you believe it you would be swung towards Remain and if you think that it's scaremongering you decision would move towards Leave. |
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over a year ago
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"Yup. And the majority were lied to on what the benefits would be if the votes yes "
Irrelevant really because we've been debunking nearly every single leave lie and explaining how and why what they have been told is wrong and lies but they refuse to acknowledge it anyway so it's as good as written in stone to them |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
Wjhat. Silly comment. What you think voting is!!!!
This is exactly why this country is a mess. |
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over a year ago
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"Some people would say why all the lives lost in the war by our families to now be ruled by Germany? "
Only the highly stupid and.. no, I won't say ignorant because ignorance is no excuse to say the above, just plain stupid people would say things like we are ruled by Germany, or anyone else. |
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"It's important that the populations current needs are addressed for the future, especially as millions are now more informed than they were over 3 years ago.
a very polite way of saying the people who voted out are stupid and so we need another vote to get the 'right' answer. very representative of the undemocratic EU."
How can you be so wrong about the content of the text you're summarising when you've bloody quoted it too....
The poster didn't mention any side of the referendum when they said "as millions are now more informed than they were over 3 years ago"
that goes for both sides, I admit I know far more than I did 3 years ago and I'm still to learn anything about Brexit that can make the UK more prosperous than remaining as we are.
Anyway that's not the point here, the point is putting words into other people's mouths to suit your narrative is wrong. |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
If they couldn't be bothered to vote their opinion is null and void! Just saying
I was merely stating fact, not offering any opinion to the outcome of the referendum.
Just pointing out that to say the majority of people want the result of the vote is factually incorrect. See my post above. "
I'm not sure that is factually correct or incorrect to say the majority of the people want the result.
What we do know is that a large minority of people definitely wanted to Remain in 2016. We also know that a slightly larger minority of the people wanted to Leave in 2016. Neither of those two groups actually makes up an overall or overwhelming majority and we can only guess what way those that choose not to vote in 2016 would have voted.
What we also can only guess at is how many of those that wanted to Leave in 2016 on the bases that we would Leave with a deal better than we currently have would now actually prefer to Remain rather than Leave with a bad deal or no deal.
We also don't know how many people who wanted to Remain in 2016 might now, for whatever reason, actually feel we should Leave.
My personal gut feeling is that there is a growing tendency towards Remain but it's not a definite clamour, I could be wrong.
There are only three certainties in this mess:-
1 - A lot of people still want to Leave the EU
2 - A lot of people still want to Remain in the EU
3 - A lot of people really don't care that much one way or the other and just want this all over whether we Leave or Remain. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
To quote James O'Brien from LBC;
"If you don't vote then you have no right to voice an opinion on the outcome of that vote, nor to complain about its consequences"
To quote myself, well paraphrase myself,
I know, I agree with you that’s why I’m not.
I love James O’Brians book. "
Maybe for balance you should start a thread titled "The majority of people did not vote to remain".
Just saying.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"
What we do know is that a large minority of people definitely wanted to Remain in 2016. We also know that a slightly larger minority of the people wanted to Leave in 2016. Neither of those two groups actually makes up an overall or overwhelming majority and we can only guess what way those that choose not to vote in 2016 would have voted.
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What we also know is that our politicians are spectacularly incapable of managing division.
The Conservative Party - we're with the 17 million and to hell with the 16 million.
The Liberal Democrats - we're with the 16 million and to hell with the 17 million.
The Labour Party - um, er, well, we'll get back to you on that one.
Brexit really has exposed the political inadequacies of the UK and the appalling leadership.
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"Your never still clutching at straws to remain thats over we will be out in three weeks"
The only thing I can say to you is "prepare to be disappointed, again". There is absolutely no way we are going to Leave by the end of October.
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"Yes, we are all experts in WTO now.
No-one in 2016 had ever heard of the fecker.
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Hmmm...
I knew about WTO rules of trade.
I knew they were the starting blocks to facilitate trade between countries
I knew you only traded under WTO until you managed to negotiate a trade agreement that is infinitely better than WTO
I never knew our country would possibly have the regression back to WTO trade instead of the many many agreements we have as it's main focus and aim. |
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"Whilst in concept the EU is a wonderful idea, 28 sovereign states working together, supporting each other, avoiding conflict and discord. In reality it's become a corrupt megalomaniac organisation filled with officials whom havent been elected and who have no accountability to anyone. The whole cost of Brussels is astronomical and will only continue to get higher. From what I see now they are definitely trying to punish the UK for daring to try and leave and will ensure we pay for it big time as they know if the uk leaves and prospers the eurocrats in their cushy jobs will be unemployed as it implodes when other countries leave. It's like communism looks good but doesnt work with human nature and greed.."
What would you say were the worst three examples of this “corrupt megalomaniac greed”?
In what ways are they “trying to punish the UK” and “ensuring we pay for it big time”? |
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"It's important that the populations current needs are addressed for the future, especially as millions are now more informed than they were over 3 years ago. The current PM has proposed a no deal solution that was 100% excluded from anyone's voting options at that referendum - not even a minority of a minority voted for it.
Thankfully in a representative democracy, parliament has sovereignty, with the elected representatives having the power and means needed to ensure that the present electorates and country's best interests are served today. A referendum would be potentially the most appropriate way to gauge the present electorates views upon the currently very different options and needs.
a very polite way of saying the people who voted out are stupid and so we need another vote to get the 'right' answer. very representative of the undemocratic EU."
No. It’s not that they were stupid. But they were misinformed. Do you think leaving is a good idea, if people voting for it were misinformed, and the reality is that the UK will almost certainly be worse off, not better off? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Greed?
On my Facebook feed, someone reposted a 2008 article about Bill Cash, the arch Brexiteer.
He owned a flat in London near Westminster.
He did not live in it and it was unoccupied.
Instead, he claimed £15,000 on expenses for renting another flat in London, further away from Westminster.
A flat that happened to be owned by his daughter.
When the scandal broke, he stopped paying her, she put it up for sale and made a £48,000 profit on a property she had only owned for 18 months.
If you want to talk about corruption, let's clean out our own stables before we start pointing the finger anywhere else.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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What we do know is that a large minority of people definitely wanted to Remain in 2016. We also know that a slightly larger minority of the people wanted to Leave in 2016. Neither of those two groups actually makes up an overall or overwhelming majority and we can only guess what way those that choose not to vote in 2016 would have voted.
What we also know is that our politicians are spectacularly incapable of managing division.
The Conservative Party - we're with the 17 million and to hell with the 16 million.
The Liberal Democrats - we're with the 16 million and to hell with the 17 million.
The Labour Party - um, er, well, we'll get back to you on that one.
Brexit really has exposed the political inadequacies of the UK and the appalling leadership.
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"I've never met anyone who voted to stay.
But it's all a load of bollocks anyway.
Majority rules. Leave!
Exactly "
At all costs? Even if it will be detrimental to the country? Kind of like turkeys voting for Christmas?
Question to anyone who still thinks we should leave...
Is it that:
a. You don’t believe it will be detrimental to the UK?
b. You don’t care that it will be detrimental to the UK? |
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"Greed?
On my Facebook feed, someone reposted a 2008 article about Bill Cash, the arch Brexiteer.
He owned a flat in London near Westminster.
He did not live in it and it was unoccupied.
Instead, he claimed £15,000 on expenses for renting another flat in London, further away from Westminster.
A flat that happened to be owned by his daughter.
When the scandal broke, he stopped paying her, she put it up for sale and made a £48,000 profit on a property she had only owned for 18 months.
If you want to talk about corruption, let's clean out our own stables before we start pointing the finger anywhere else.
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It is astonishing that people seem to swallow the notion that the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc are standing up for the common man, when they and their pals are likely to profit handsomely from leaving the EU, whilst the people they claim to represent will be the hardest hit. |
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I think most leavers are scared of a second referendum because they probably would not win this time but whether that is the case or not anyone who is even halfway sensible can see that the leavers don't have any facts to justify their actions just lies after lies after lies. However you look at it the general public stand to lose rights and the cost of living will increase but logical argument means nothing in their eyes. They are the shouty parent at the school sports day on the sidelines who cant accept that maybe they are wrong and embarrassing everyone around them. Winning at all costs is a failure of imagination.  |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
True. But far too many of them sat n their arse and didn't vote.
If any of them are complaining about the result, they're worthy of nothing but contempt.
They did nothing to influence the outcome. |
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over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
"I think most leavers are scared of a second referendum because they probably would not win this time but whether that is the case or not anyone who is even halfway sensible can see that the leavers don't have any facts to justify their actions just lies after lies after lies. However you look at it the general public stand to lose rights and the cost of living will increase but logical argument means nothing in their eyes. They are the shouty parent at the school sports day on the sidelines who cant accept that maybe they are wrong and embarrassing everyone around them. Winning at all costs is a failure of imagination. "
No-one's scared of a second referendum. Remain would win, we heard that before - Leave were supposed to be destroyed in 2016.
It's more that it's a case of we can have 10 referendums all leave, then an 11th where remain wins @50.1% and that would be it, and we know it. That's a rigged uneven field.
Some facts coming up later maybe, time for work now. |
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over a year ago
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"It is astonishing that people seem to swallow the notion that the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc are standing up for the common man, when they and their pals are likely to profit handsomely from leaving the EU, whilst the people they claim to represent will be the hardest hit."
They are not leaving, they have both moved their investment money and the tax they pay on it into other EU countries.
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over a year ago
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"It is astonishing that people seem to swallow the notion that the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc are standing up for the common man, when they and their pals are likely to profit handsomely from leaving the EU, whilst the people they claim to represent will be the hardest hit.
They are not leaving, they have both moved their investment money and the tax they pay on it into other EU countries.
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Conservatives like to send their money on holiday.
Panama or the Cayman Islands are popular destinations. |
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"It is astonishing that people seem to swallow the notion that the likes of Johnson, Rees-Mogg etc are standing up for the common man, when they and their pals are likely to profit handsomely from leaving the EU, whilst the people they claim to represent will be the hardest hit.
They are not leaving, they have both moved their investment money and the tax they pay on it into other EU countries.
Conservatives like to send their money on holiday.
Panama or the Cayman Islands are popular destinations. "
There’s better destinations .... |
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over a year ago
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Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets. get together and start trying to get the job done. If they worked in the real world they would have been out of a job years ago. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets. "
Because leave, quite simply, was never defined.
It was simply an idea.
No manifesto, no white paper.
No-one in Parliament can agree what it means, other than ceasing to be a formal member of the EU.
Not even the Tories with their "Brexit means Brexit" garbage.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Brexit was a made up word that doesn't actually mean anything.
A leave vote was to cease formal relationships with our trading partners of many years and to take on jobs that were outsourced a working lifetime ago.
Unfortunately we have since discovered the efficiency of the UK government, and that is all we have once we leave the EU. |
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
And if you couldn't be arsed to vote, you forfeited your right to stick your nose in now.
Just sayin. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
And if you couldn't be arsed to vote, you forfeited your right to stick your nose in now.
Just sayin."
Why? its still a free country and people have a right to an opinion. |
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"Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets. get together and start trying to get the job done. If they worked in the real world they would have been out of a job years ago. "
We don’t have to do it at all!
For one, the referendum was only advisory.
If their job is to act in the best interests of the country and their constituents, then leaving (especially without a deal) would be counter to those interests.
Which, in a nutshell, is a big part of why all of this has been so difficult.
How are exactly are they lining their pockets by not leaving? You do know that people like Johnson, Rees-Mogg and their financial backers stand to line their pockets quite handsomely as a result of leaving the EU?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yup. And the majority were lied to on what the benefits would be if the votes yes "
Nobody lied to me . I was told we'd leave the customs union,ecj and single market. The bank of England said we would prob. be worse off short term if we voted to leave. Still voted to leave.
Oh no wait I was lied to. We're still in the poxy thing. |
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over a year ago
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I think the majority of people are heartily sick of it all. We've had our last breakfast, we've had the last rights. Now can we just get on with it and be hung please |
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over a year ago
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"I think the majority of people are heartily sick of it all. We've had our last breakfast, we've had the last rights. Now can we just get on with it and be hung please "
Or is it hanged ? sorry for my awful English |
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over a year ago
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"I think the majority of people are heartily sick of it all. We've had our last breakfast, we've had the last rights. Now can we just get on with it and be hung please
Or is it hanged ? sorry for my awful English "
You're right...hanged.
Pictures are hung,people hanged. Or is it the other way?
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over a year ago
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"I think the majority of people are heartily sick of it all. We've had our last breakfast, we've had the last rights. Now can we just get on with it and be hung please "
I’m really enjoying the Brexit death rattle.Be patient Brexit will soon be over. |
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over a year ago
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"I think most leavers are scared of a second referendum because they probably would not win this time but whether that is the case or not anyone who is even halfway sensible can see that the leavers don't have any facts to justify their actions just lies after lies after lies. However you look at it the general public stand to lose rights and the cost of living will increase but logical argument means nothing in their eyes. They are the shouty parent at the school sports day on the sidelines who cant accept that maybe they are wrong and embarrassing everyone around them. Winning at all costs is a failure of imagination.
No-one's scared of a second referendum. Remain would win, we heard that before - Leave were supposed to be destroyed in 2016.
It's more that it's a case of we can have 10 referendums all leave, then an 11th where remain wins @50.1% and that would be it, and we know it. That's a rigged uneven field.
Some facts coming up later maybe, time for work now."
That’s hyperbole again.
If nobody’s afraid of a second referendum why not have one to clear the air? Anyway lets see what happens in the next month or so because to be honest I am losing interest in all this |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying.
And if you couldn't be arsed to vote, you forfeited your right to stick your nose in now.
Just sayin.Why? its still a free country and people have a right to an opinion."
Not according to James O'Brien, one of the darlings of the remainers. When urging people to vote on his twitter account, he said
"if you don't vote you have no right to moan about the result" |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
It is possible to vote for anything. That does not mean that it can be delivered.
Q: Would you like to pay no tax but keep the same services? Y/N
A: Yes. It's a democratic vote. It must be delivered. How? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are lied to every day by politicians and we still voted to get out. Scotland voted to remain so we accept it apart from 1lady who’s forgot about running the country and thinks her job is to get another referendum. |
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"Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets.
Because leave, quite simply, was never defined.
It was simply an idea.
No manifesto, no white paper.
No-one in Parliament can agree what it means, other than ceasing to be a formal member of the EU.
Not even the Tories with their "Brexit means Brexit" garbage.
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You must have been asleep or pontificating on Fab forums for at least three whole months prior to the referendum as everyone else in the country watched TV , listened to radio stations on their way to work ,read papers and went onto social media and the rest of us paying attention were told by Cameron, Osbourne, 400 ‘expert’ economists who signed a letter , the Governor of the Bank of England that was reported everywhere , Gary Lineker Bob Geldof and even Barack Obama that leaving the single market , ECJ and customs union was a suicide mission and the mere act of voting for it would trigger Armageddon 24hrs later.
Do you actually live in the UK ? If you do you remember getting Cameron’s propaganda leaflet which he had posted to every address in the UK or couldn’t you be bothered reading it ? |
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over a year ago
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"Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets.
Because leave, quite simply, was never defined.
It was simply an idea.
No manifesto, no white paper.
No-one in Parliament can agree what it means, other than ceasing to be a formal member of the EU.
Not even the Tories with their "Brexit means Brexit" garbage.
You must have been asleep or pontificating on Fab forums for at least three whole months prior to the referendum as everyone else in the country watched TV , listened to radio stations on their way to work ,read papers and went onto social media and the rest of us paying attention were told by Cameron, Osbourne, 400 ‘expert’ economists who signed a letter , the Governor of the Bank of England that was reported everywhere , Gary Lineker Bob Geldof and even Barack Obama that leaving the single market , ECJ and customs union was a suicide mission and the mere act of voting for it would trigger Armageddon 24hrs later.
Do you actually live in the UK ? If you do you remember getting Cameron’s propaganda leaflet which he had posted to every address in the UK or couldn’t you be bothered reading it ? "
I'm interested if you believed the leave Project fear campaign then, I presume you did / still do?
There again what the leave campaign said Brexit is has drastically changed since the referendum anyway. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Doesn’t matter what we think. The outcome from the referendum was to leave and that’s what we have to do. So why can’t all the MPs who are “ working for the people” start doing the job there supposed to do and stop arguing about every single thing and trying to line there pockets.
Because leave, quite simply, was never defined.
It was simply an idea.
No manifesto, no white paper.
No-one in Parliament can agree what it means, other than ceasing to be a formal member of the EU.
Not even the Tories with their "Brexit means Brexit" garbage.
You must have been asleep or pontificating on Fab forums for at least three whole months prior to the referendum as everyone else in the country watched TV , listened to radio stations on their way to work ,read papers and went onto social media and the rest of us paying attention were told by Cameron, Osbourne, 400 ‘expert’ economists who signed a letter , the Governor of the Bank of England that was reported everywhere , Gary Lineker Bob Geldof and even Barack Obama that leaving the single market , ECJ and customs union was a suicide mission and the mere act of voting for it would trigger Armageddon 24hrs later.
Do you actually live in the UK ? If you do you remember getting Cameron’s propaganda leaflet which he had posted to every address in the UK or couldn’t you be bothered reading it ? "
You underline the point I made.
The Leave campaign had no plan, no substance, no meaning, no detail - just a slogan.
Three years on and Leavers now insist it was defined - by the Remain campaign.
A definition dismissed by them at the time as Project Fear is now repackaged as Project Fact - "you knew what you voted for because our opponents told what our agenda was".
Orwellian.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM and announces he is abolishing the UK nuclear deterrent.
"You can't do that Mr Corbyn, it wasn't in your manifesto."
"My opponents said this is what I would I do if I was elected, so the public knew what they were voting for."
Risible.
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"The majority of the people that voted in the EU referendum did, not the majority of people.
Just saying. "
By all accounts it was a pretty high turnout, over 70%. So on that statistic it was a pretty good effort from those that are eligible to vote, that is folk that are registered to vote!
If you can't be arsed, too young or not registered. Well perhaps another time maybe.
So it's all down to your personal choice, if the apathy bug doesn't bite you.
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