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"This was first reported in the byline times by a young, award winning investigative journal. The story is now getting traction.
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It makes for very interesting reading,  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though."
Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.  |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for. "
They all voted for a no deal? How do you know??  |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for. "
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong. |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong."
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most "
that's, rubbish |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish "
No it isn’t, look at yougov statistics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish
No it isn’t, look at yougov statistics. "
Must be true then..........  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish
No it isn’t, look at yougov statistics.
Must be true then.......... "
Just have a quick look on the forums, the vast majority of people supporting Boris and his no deal brexit are old?? Agree? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish
No it isn’t, look at yougov statistics.
Must be true then.......... "
Do you have reliable evidence to prove that YouGov are incorrect |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for. "
They didn’t vote for a no deal Brexit though, did they?
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for. "
Out of curiosity, of the 17.4m who voted to Leave the UK, how many of those now:
1. Still want to leave?
2. Want to leave without a deal?
Opinion polls show that the numbers who want to leave the deal are significantly in the minority. Whilst you might knock opinion polls because they got the referendum result wrong, they're usually fairly accurate percentage wise. e.g. YouGov were 52:48.
All I ask is your thoughts on the 2 points I raised.
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The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will. |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish "
I wish it were not the case.
After years of austerity measures that disproportionately harmed the poorer, the same is true for a no deal Brexit. The sunny uplands are to be enjoyed only by the very wealthy.
It's tragic that decent people who have struggled and been the brunt of conservative measures since 2010, have been duped by other rightwing conservatives, Farage et al, to perceive that they would probably be freed from the tyranny of those bastards, yet they were being groomed as their own pall bearers, to enable their masters to take back their wealth. |
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Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though.Yeah anything to distract from the fact its what people voted for.
People were explicitly informed that the departure would only be with an agreed deal - a no deal departure was explicitly excluded and thus not covered by the referendum votes.
It's certainly obvious that Johnson is very dangerous for the UK. After his atrocious track record, he seems intent on doing anything for his own gain. It's unsurprising that he's connected with others that would make substantial gains from brexit, especially if a no deal. Away from him, the UK would be picked further apart by vultures.
The poorer members of the UK would be those who will suffer most from such a myopic, catstrophic proposition. The shrinking of the state, the support it provides, employment opportunities and security as well as decline as people age. Truly wrong.
The sad irony is that it will be the people (the old and poor) who voted for brexit who will suffer the most that's, rubbish
No it isn’t, look at yougov statistics.
Must be true then.......... "
you can always read the operation yellowhammer notes where it actually explicitly says those with the lowest incomes will be disproportionally worse off.... |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-latest-brexit-philip-hammond-no-deal-radicals-a9124186.html
Essentially that Johnson's backers have put a lot of money on a disorderly Brexit.
It would financially benefit them hugely.
Is it true? I don't know. Credible though."
It's been in the news for the past year or so.....the European Research Group chair one Jacob Reece-Mogg is set to make millions in the event of a hard Brexit..... |
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal."
What are you talking about?
Issues such people living in the UK that are european, Europeans living in the UK, Driver licence issues, Insurance issues, border issues were all discussed and all make up the "Withdrawal agreement", combined with trade. |
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though 
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Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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the questions were remain or stay and all this no deal crap has nothing to do with it.Its a withdrawal agreement they are discussing not a trade deal that discussion comes once we have left.So it was impossible from the start to negotiate a deal as the eu wont even talk about one before the withdrawal agreement has been agreed.This is a prime example of the mis use of words that remainers and the media keep repeating and then people start all this rubbish you didnt vote for no deal.I repeat the deal will be done once we leave as the eu made it impossible to have one before we do. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU."
Total rubbish the eu cannot impose on other countries what deals they can do with countries outside the eu.More propaganda where you get that one from the guardian? |
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU.Total rubbish the eu cannot impose on other countries what deals they can do with countries outside the eu.More propaganda where you get that one from the guardian? "
You've not understood what's being said.
We can't negotiate deals with other countries until we've left the EY. |
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU.Total rubbish the eu cannot impose on other countries what deals they can do with countries outside the eu.More propaganda where you get that one from the guardian?
You've not understood what's being said.
We can't negotiate deals with other countries until we've left the EY."
EU, even.
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU."
No that's not correct, when the UK is not an EU member then trade negotiations between us and another country does not come under anything to do with the EU. |
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU.
No that's not correct, when the UK is not an EU member then trade negotiations between us and another country does not come under anything to do with the EU. "
But if a country is a member of the EU then we have to negotiate with the block not just one country |
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will."
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nige told us we would get a better deal than we have now with the EU, it don t seem to be happening though
Because that is illegal, its also illegal for any country the EU does a deal with, to offer the UK a better deal than the EU has with them.
And while the UK was messing about they did deals with Japan, Canada, Brazil, Argentina etc, now all have to offer the UK a deal worse than they have with the EU.
No that's not correct, when the UK is not an EU member then trade negotiations between us and another country does not come under anything to do with the EU.
But if a country is a member of the EU then we have to negotiate with the block not just one country "
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal.
What are you talking about?
Issues such people living in the UK that are european, Europeans living in the UK, Driver licence issues, Insurance issues, border issues were all discussed and all make up the "Withdrawal agreement", combined with trade."
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Are you taking drugs?
Read what I wrote and find me one clip of anybody talking about a withdrawal agreement during the referendum.
I looked and I can't find any, trade deals, yes they were talked about plenty. |
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be ."
It's already 1-1. We had the first referendum in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67%. Another referendum would leave the score at 2-1.
But anyway it doesn't matter whether you or I want a referendum or not. I'm predicting what will happen not what I want to happen.
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal.
What are you talking about?
Issues such people living in the UK that are european, Europeans living in the UK, Driver licence issues, Insurance issues, border issues were all discussed and all make up the "Withdrawal agreement", combined with trade..
Are you taking drugs?
Read what I wrote and find me one clip of anybody talking about a withdrawal agreement during the referendum.
I looked and I can't find any, trade deals, yes they were talked about plenty."
The Leave campaign talked incessantly about article 50 and article 50 clearly talks about a withdrawal agreement. Unless you're saying that the Leave campaigners didn't know what they were talking about then they did talk about a withdrawal agreement every time they talked article 50 and invoking it.
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal."
Utter twaddle. Of course things other than trade were talked about during the campaign. It maybe you chose not to listen or that you're suffering from amnesia |
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal.
What are you talking about?
Issues such people living in the UK that are european, Europeans living in the UK, Driver licence issues, Insurance issues, border issues were all discussed and all make up the "Withdrawal agreement", combined with trade..
Are you taking drugs?
Read what I wrote and find me one clip of anybody talking about a withdrawal agreement during the referendum.
I looked and I can't find any, trade deals, yes they were talked about plenty.
The Leave campaign talked incessantly about article 50 and article 50 clearly talks about a withdrawal agreement. Unless you're saying that the Leave campaigners didn't know what they were talking about then they did talk about a withdrawal agreement every time they talked article 50 and invoking it.
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Don't start posting facts for goodness sake.... |
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As much as it is an interesting read and you can make your own choice on whether to accept it or not, it has been dispelled by many as nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
Shadow chancellor John mcdonnells own economic advisor left wing economist James Meadway said of the article “ it’s an absurd conspiracy theory that the former Chancellor should know better than to promote ”
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
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This sort of thing goes on daily in the stock markets round the world.If you believe that it does not with the greatest of respect you must be very naïve.How you think these people become so rich? |
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"This sort of thing goes on daily in the stock markets round the world.If you believe that it does not with the greatest of respect you must be very naïve.How you think these people become so rich? "
That isn’t the point, |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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So a bloke who has had the sack tries to stir some shit, well that's a surprise, perhaps some would like to look at his attempts when chancellor at disrupting brexit and stopping preparations for leaving |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So a bloke who has had the sack tries to stir some shit, well that's a surprise, perhaps some would like to look at his attempts when chancellor at disrupting brexit and stopping preparations for leaving"
Have you read the article? He wasn’t sacked , he resigned |
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be .
It's already 1-1. We had the first referendum in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67%. Another referendum would leave the score at 2-1.
But anyway it doesn't matter whether you or I want a referendum or not. I'm predicting what will happen not what I want to happen.
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That 1975 vote doesn’t count as the voters were all lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for .They told us we were joining a group of Western European countries with similar economic strength to simply facilitate trade and develop a spirit of friendship nothing like the bloated corrupt monster that we have ended up in today .Also I was only 16 at the time and should have been able to vote because the majority who believed the crap they were fed in 75 and voted to join were the old people so their votes shouldn’t have counted as they were going to be dead after a few years and they were going to ruin their children’s futures. |
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be .
It's already 1-1. We had the first referendum in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67%. Another referendum would leave the score at 2-1.
But anyway it doesn't matter whether you or I want a referendum or not. I'm predicting what will happen not what I want to happen.
That 1975 vote doesn’t count as the voters were all lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for .They told us we were joining a group of Western European countries with similar economic strength to simply facilitate trade and develop a spirit of friendship nothing like the bloated corrupt monster that we have ended up in today .Also I was only 16 at the time and should have been able to vote because the majority who believed the crap they were fed in 75 and voted to join were the old people so their votes shouldn’t have counted as they were going to be dead after a few years and they were going to ruin their children’s futures."
The 2016 vote doesn’t count as the voters were all lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for . We were told be the leave campaign that we would be easy to get an ‘amazing’ deal that would make us better off than being in the EU. Many of the leave voters are old and will be dead in a few years time and shouldn’t be respected as they were going to ruin their children’s future? Ironic? Don’t you think ? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So a bloke who has had the sack tries to stir some shit, well that's a surprise, perhaps some would like to look at his attempts when chancellor at disrupting brexit and stopping preparations for leaving"
No, it was Johnson's sister who made the connection, Hammond merely repeated it.
His sister says Johnson is sponsored by people who want him to crash the £ so they can cash in.
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be .
It's already 1-1. We had the first referendum in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67%. Another referendum would leave the score at 2-1.
But anyway it doesn't matter whether you or I want a referendum or not. I'm predicting what will happen not what I want to happen.
That 1975 vote doesn’t count as the voters were all lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for .They told us we were joining a group of Western European countries with similar economic strength to simply facilitate trade and develop a spirit of friendship nothing like the bloated corrupt monster that we have ended up in today .Also I was only 16 at the time and should have been able to vote because the majority who believed the crap they were fed in 75 and voted to join were the old people so their votes shouldn’t have counted as they were going to be dead after a few years and they were going to ruin their children’s futures.
The 2016 vote doesn’t count as the voters were all lied to and didn’t know what they were voting for . We were told be the leave campaign that we would be easy to get an ‘amazing’ deal that would make us better off than being in the EU. Many of the leave voters are old and will be dead in a few years time and shouldn’t be respected as they were going to ruin their children’s future? Ironic? Don’t you think ? "
You totally missed the irony in my post ie I was using those stupid arguments that you have just repeated about 2016 and applied them to 1975 . Wake up a bit ! |
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"Not once by any person was a withdrawal agreement discussed during any of the referendum debates.
The only "deal" talked about was a trade deal, nothing to do with the withdrawal deal.
Utter twaddle. Of course things other than trade were talked about during the campaign. It maybe you chose not to listen or that you're suffering from amnesia"
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Find me a political person on either side talking about a withdrawal agreement, I've looked and can't find any is what I said. |
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be ."
Why? JRM suggested a referendum after negotiating a deal. One of his better ideas I must say. We'd also be voting with a clearer understanding of what Leave actually means. Just in case you still haven't caught up over the last 3 and a bit years, Leave actually means economic suicide that benefits only the very wealthy.
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"The one thing that always totally staggers me on this forum and another places is how totally out of touch many levers are with reality. We're not going to leave in October, there is going to be a general election, there won't be an overall majority of BREXIT supporting MPs in Parliament afterwards, there will be another referendum next spring.
All of that is just so obvious I don't know why they keep on saying it's not going to happen.
The only question still in doubt is will Remain or Leave win in the referendum in spring. I think Remain will.
So if you are proved correct then it’s a 3rd referendum after that as the score will be 1-1 . What a terrible situation that would be .
Why? JRM suggested a referendum after negotiating a deal. One of his better ideas I must say. We'd also be voting with a clearer understanding of what Leave actually means. Just in case you still haven't caught up over the last 3 and a bit years, Leave actually means economic suicide that benefits only the very wealthy.
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. Leave-means-leave , as can be shown by the leavers themselves ,, JacobReesMogg investment company ,SomersetCapital has launched an Irish based fund , JamesDyson moved offices and the building of his electric car to Singapore , JohnRedwood advises his UK investors to look further afield , NigelLawson (who chaired VoteLeave) applied for French residency , MichaelAshcroft advises UK businesses to establish a base in Malta , NigelFarage's dream of BluePassports are now made in France , so , yes , leave does mean leave |
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