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Eve of the party conference and there is news coming out that the Momentum group are tabling a motion to remove the post of deputy leader in a bid to get rid of Tom Watson. Momentum source ‘We just can’t afford to go into an election with a deputy leader set on wrecking Labour’s chances. Labour members overwhelmingly want a deputy leadership election, but our outdated rulebook won’t let it happen.’
Will happen tomorrow morning ... |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore"
. It might be safer to sit on the fence a while to consider the options before jumping off the cliff
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Eve of the party conference and there is news coming out that the Momentum group are tabling a motion to remove the post of deputy leader in a bid to get rid of Tom Watson. Momentum source ‘We just can’t afford to go into an election with a deputy leader set on wrecking Labour’s chances. Labour members overwhelmingly want a deputy leadership election, but our outdated rulebook won’t let it happen.’
Will happen tomorrow morning ..."
Mental.
These people are as ideologically driven as the Tory extremists on the other side. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore"
To be fair, he is doing what Cameron should of done.
Cameron nailed his colours so firmly to the mast during the referendum that he had to go.
He could have set the referendum, stood back and simply promised to implement the outcome. He didn't.
Now we have two parties utterly polarised by Brexit.
The Conservative Party cannot see beyond the 17m Leave voters.
The Liberal Democrats cannot see beyond the 16m Remain voters.
I like Corbyn's idea - allow the next Government to negotiate terms with the EU, and put those terms to the people.
By not endorsing either option, he leaves himself clean to implement whatever the public decides.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So I see it’s Momentum's Jon Lansman who has tabled a motion to remove Tom Watson's role.
Could the Labour Party split.
Jon Lansam being the Jewish founder of momentum has had beef with Watson before.
Do we have evidence of anti secular atheism in the party???
Watson being a atheist .
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"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore. It might be safer to sit on the fence a while to consider the options before jumping off the cliff "
Rather than jumping off the fence over the cliff it's surly far better to simply climb off the fence on the same, safe sensible side of the fence that you originally got on it and Remain in one piece. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore. It might be safer to sit on the fence a while to consider the options before jumping off the cliff
Rather than jumping off the fence over the cliff it's surly far better to simply climb off the fence on the same, safe sensible side of the fence that you originally got on it and Remain in one piece."
Indecision is the worst decision of all, make your mind up and then deliver it. At least the lib dems have a position to campaign on even if I disagree with it I respect that choice, Corbyn is a joke trying to be all things to all men |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore. It might be safer to sit on the fence a while to consider the options before jumping off the cliff
Rather than jumping off the fence over the cliff it's surly far better to simply climb off the fence on the same, safe sensible side of the fence that you originally got on it and Remain in one piece.
Indecision is the worst decision of all, make your mind up and then deliver it. At least the lib dems have a position to campaign on even if I disagree with it I respect that choice, Corbyn is a joke trying to be all things to all men"
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damn good point..we know today what lib dems will do.Labour.... ..your guess is as good as Jeremys. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think jezza is playing a blinder.
He wants the leave and the remain vote....
He’s all things to all people.
There’s no point in choosing a side because the cons and Libs got firsts dibs on leave and remain ...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is profoundly irritating that lansman is intent on fucking Labours chances up by getting rid of Tom Watson,( who is the voice of reason in the party ) and abolishing his role. That smacks of the worst kind of soviet politicking to me, to the extent that I start wondering if he is actually more interested in controlling the party than winning an election? Very disappointing! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue...... |
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over a year ago
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"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......"
Can't disagree with that |
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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......"
i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......
i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option."
Labour will be trounced if the election comes before any finality on the Brexit issue. Too long dithering and fence sitting has cost them already and they are now polling behind the Lib Dem’s.
If they do not come up with something more solid at the conference I can actually see things getting worse.
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"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......
i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option.
Labour will be trounced if the election comes before any finality on the Brexit issue. Too long dithering and fence sitting has cost them already and they are now polling behind the Lib Dem’s.
If they do not come up with something more solid at the conference I can actually see things getting worse.
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Absolutely, come the GE, if you're a leave voting labour supporter you'd be forced to vote Tory if you want Brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......
i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option.
Labour will be trounced if the election comes before any finality on the Brexit issue. Too long dithering and fence sitting has cost them already and they are now polling behind the Lib Dem’s.
If they do not come up with something more solid at the conference I can actually see things getting worse.
Absolutely, come the GE, if you're a leave voting labour supporter you'd be forced to vote Tory if you want Brexit. "
Or Lib Dem if you are a remain voting labour supporter. Labour could be virtually wiped out unless everyone suddenly decides to sit on the fence. They need leadership and decisiveness, if they had that they would walk the next GE. |
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Watson, the man who claimed that Ted Heath and many other prominent people were all paedos, and hasn't apologised or shown any remorse when it was all revealed to be rubbish.
He's a total plonker and Labour deserves him. But compared the Great Leader of the People, Chairman Corbyn, Watson looks moderate and reasonable. He's not though.
Heaven help us if this bunch of marxist loonies get into power, the economy will collapse within months. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have two or three general elections in 2020"
If a GE comes before Brexit is finalised we will officially become a tin pot state that has elections every year and complete instability,
Someone, somewhere needs to demonstrate leadership and leave the EU in the mandate for which is was voted for. A little bit out, but not too far.
The Norwegians has a kind of similar referendum and their govt acted quickly and decisively to implement a consequence that was in line with the percentages. Us... we just keep arguing like children whilst our leaders try to talk tough and just look stupid. |
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"I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have two or three general elections in 2020
If a GE comes before Brexit is finalised we will officially become a tin pot state that has elections every year and complete instability,
Someone, somewhere needs to demonstrate leadership and leave the EU in the mandate for which is was voted for. A little bit out, but not too far.
The Norwegians has a kind of similar referendum and their govt acted quickly and decisively to implement a consequence that was in line with the percentages. Us... we just keep arguing like children whilst our leaders try to talk tough and just look stupid."
im woth you on the arguing like children it’s been like this for over 3yrs will only get worse as the clock ticks me thinks |
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over a year ago
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"Watson, the man who claimed that Ted Heath and many other prominent people were all paedos, and hasn't apologised or shown any remorse when it was all revealed to be rubbish.
He's a total plonker and Labour deserves him. But compared the Great Leader of the People, Chairman Corbyn, Watson looks moderate and reasonable. He's not though.
Heaven help us if this bunch of marxist loonies get into power, the economy will collapse within months. "
Like its all going so well at the moment!  |
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"Watson, the man who claimed that Ted Heath and many other prominent people were all paedos, and hasn't apologised or shown any remorse when it was all revealed to be rubbish.
He's a total plonker and Labour deserves him. But compared the Great Leader of the People, Chairman Corbyn, Watson looks moderate and reasonable. He's not though.
Heaven help us if this bunch of marxist loonies get into power, the economy will collapse within months.
Like its all going so well at the moment! "
To be fair, it's pretty good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think jezza is playing a blinder.
He wants the leave and the remain vote....
He’s all things to all people.
There’s no point in choosing a side because the cons and Libs got firsts dibs on leave and remain ... "
I’ve a horrible feeling you could be right on this !
Thier is a hell of a lot labour voting Brexit supporters up here ! |
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"I think jezza is playing a blinder.
He wants the leave and the remain vote....
He’s all things to all people.
There’s no point in choosing a side because the cons and Libs got firsts dibs on leave and remain ... I’ve a horrible feeling you could be right on this !
Thier is a hell of a lot labour voting Brexit supporters up here !"
It's the uncomfortable truth of Brexit, it wasn't just Tories voting leave. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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It's the uncomfortable truth of Brexit, it wasn't just Tories voting leave."
I saw some stats:
2/3rds of Conservative Voters voted Leave
1/3rd of Labour Voters voted Leave
1/4 of SNP Voters voted Leave.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option."
Jezza is trying to be like Queenie and rise above the cesspit.
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"see... labour are trying to have it all ways....
the position is agree a sensible leave deal within 3 months.... but then put that to the people vs remain, and they haven't said which side they would campaign on....
if you try to set yourself up in the middle of the road... prepared to get run over from both directions!
we know where the lib dems stand...
we know where this conservative party now stand....
labour we don't have a clue......
i kind of disagree with that, i think the Labour proposal is sensible and why would they say which proposal they would campaign for, we've already seen Brexit voters are not voting on traditional party lines so why would an entire party stick their weight behind one option."
. I agree , deciding wether or not you will campaign for or vote for a deal before you know what the deal is , even if you are negotiating the deal yourself is what got us into this mess in the first place |
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over a year ago
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Labour now wants to scrap Ofsted ..and bring in Local Authorities to check Schools..
Local Authorities reckon they haven't the money for potholes ,look at the state of the roads.How are they going to make schools accountable to them.The parents opinions should count more .Ofsted often give notice when they're going to visit a school..(local authorities would probably give six months notice- then cancel it as its the school holidays.)! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour now wants to scrap Ofsted ..and bring in Local Authorities to check Schools..
Local Authorities reckon they haven't the money for potholes ,look at the state of the roads.How are they going to make schools accountable to them.The parents opinions should count more .Ofsted often give notice when they're going to visit a school..(local authorities would probably give six months notice- then cancel it as its the school holidays.)!"
This is a much better proposal. Ofsted is so flawed, not trusted by teachers, results and outcomes of visits are not reliable and they don't improve standards. Numerous inquiries have shown this.
Plus, why would it need more money? Ofsted's budget would go, and this could be diverted to Local Authorities for the same purpose.
It's only the Tories who advocate keeping Ofsted now. All others call for it's abolition. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour now wants to scrap Ofsted ..and bring in Local Authorities to check Schools..
Local Authorities reckon they haven't the money for potholes ,look at the state of the roads.How are they going to make schools accountable to them.The parents opinions should count more .Ofsted often give notice when they're going to visit a school..(local authorities would probably give six months notice- then cancel it as its the school holidays.)!
This is a much better proposal. Ofsted is so flawed, not trusted by teachers, results and outcomes of visits are not reliable and they don't improve standards. Numerous inquiries have shown this.
Plus, why would it need more money? Ofsted's budget would go, and this could be diverted to Local Authorities for the same purpose.
It's only the Tories who advocate keeping Ofsted now. All others call for it's abolition."
Ofsted should go yes..
but I think the local authorities taking over is a backward move.
.Just look at what Birmingham City Council waste on administration( and I'm only geussing at that!) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Diane Abbott at the conference just stood up and said "incidentally I got my tuition fees free",to which the members cheered...
wasn't it labour who brought in tuition fees or am I going mad  |
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"Diane Abbott at the conference just stood up and said "incidentally I got my tuition fees free",to which the members cheered...
wasn't it labour who brought in tuition fees or am I going mad "
not certain but I’ve a feeling it was in the Blair Year’s , tho today’s labour probably wouldn’t count that government as been labour ! |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"Diane Abbott at the conference just stood up and said "incidentally I got my tuition fees free",to which the members cheered...
wasn't it labour who brought in tuition fees or am I going mad "
. Any party should wish to change errors their party has previously made , when Osborne announced that Britain was getting a pay rise by increasing the minimum wage he was loudly cheered by the same Tory MPs who had voted against the minimum wage being introduced ,, so if Labour now wanting to scrap tuition fees I say well done they should never have been introduced in the first place , I also suspect that if Labour do win the next general election and put to parliament the idea of getting rid of tuition fees they will get the full backing of the LibDems |
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From The Guardian website a couple of hours ago -
"A key adviser to Jeremy Corbyn has reportedly quit saying the Labour leader cannot win the next general election.
"In a significant blow to Corbyn, Andrew Fisher, who masterminded the party’s 2017 manifesto, said he no longer had faith that Labour would be successful.
"Fisher wrote a memo to colleagues saying members of Corbyn’s team had a “lack of professionalism, competence and human decency”. He also accused them of making a “blizzard of lies and excuses” and apparently claimed that the highest ranks of the party were engaged in “class war”. Labour said it did not comment on staffing matters."
It's worth emphasising some of Mr Fisher's points about Corbyn's team again -
“A lack of professionalism, competence and human decency.”
"A blizzard of lies and excuses.”
"Class war."
Welcome to the wonderful world of Comrade Jezza, the Great Tribune of the People. Just the sort of chap we need as PM! |
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"From The Guardian website a couple of hours ago -
"A key adviser to Jeremy Corbyn has reportedly quit saying the Labour leader cannot win the next general election.
"In a significant blow to Corbyn, Andrew Fisher, who masterminded the party’s 2017 manifesto, said he no longer had faith that Labour would be successful.
"Fisher wrote a memo to colleagues saying members of Corbyn’s team had a “lack of professionalism, competence and human decency”. He also accused them of making a “blizzard of lies and excuses” and apparently claimed that the highest ranks of the party were engaged in “class war”. Labour said it did not comment on staffing matters."
It's worth emphasising some of Mr Fisher's points about Corbyn's team again -
“A lack of professionalism, competence and human decency.”
"A blizzard of lies and excuses.”
"Class war."
Welcome to the wonderful world of Comrade Jezza, the Great Tribune of the People. Just the sort of chap we need as PM! "
to make sure comrade Corbyn doesn't become Prime Minister just get 'miss Diana' to do the count |
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"From The Guardian website a couple of hours ago -
"A key adviser to Jeremy Corbyn has reportedly quit saying the Labour leader cannot win the next general election.
"In a significant blow to Corbyn, Andrew Fisher, who masterminded the party’s 2017 manifesto, said he no longer had faith that Labour would be successful.
"Fisher wrote a memo to colleagues saying members of Corbyn’s team had a “lack of professionalism, competence and human decency”. He also accused them of making a “blizzard of lies and excuses” and apparently claimed that the highest ranks of the party were engaged in “class war”. Labour said it did not comment on staffing matters."
It's worth emphasising some of Mr Fisher's points about Corbyn's team again -
“A lack of professionalism, competence and human decency.”
"A blizzard of lies and excuses.”
"Class war."
Welcome to the wonderful world of Comrade Jezza, the Great Tribune of the People. Just the sort of chap we need as PM! "
Who are your heroes and heroines then? The elite public school educated toffs like JRM, Boris, Gove, Cameron etc? It would be interesting to hear some positive points from you?  |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"How long today before the labour conference blames the Thomas Cook collapse on Boris the spiderhaha won’t be long every bad thing is down to brexit now lol"
. Not everything that is bad that happens will be the fault of Brexit but I am still struggling to find anything good about Brexit ,,, I expected the brexitiers yellow hammer report to do that but their own report actually appears worse than what they referred to as project fear
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Yes, Thomas Cook says Brexit uncertainty lead to weaker demand from UK customers for holidays."
I think that Brexit related issues were a mitigating factor, but it was a poorly run Company.
Jet2 Holidays are proof that package holidays can still be done right. There is just no need anymore for a large "in resort" presence of UK based Representatives when local financing is much harder than it was before the turn of the Century. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
All that would have been needed is a pragmatic, sensible and forward-thinking agenda - presented in the right way. Labour would romp home after a successful conference.
Not much chance of that huh?
LOL
The public disintegration of Labour this week will no doubt be followed by a frightening Nuremberg style Conservative conference next week and the chasm will just get wider and wider.
All the more room for the Lib Dems to hoover up the centre ground. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Yes, Thomas Cook says Brexit uncertainty lead to weaker demand from UK customers for holidays."
So a company that has been running for 180 years goes bust and its the fault of brexit, thats a very poor excuse for a very badly run company,in early 2019 it had 1.6 BILLION of debt, it has plainly been poorly run for many years |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Yes, Thomas Cook says Brexit uncertainty lead to weaker demand from UK customers for holidays."
And the Germans and the Scandanavians? There are three times the amount of Germans affected than UK people. Is that down to Brexit? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Yes, Thomas Cook says Brexit uncertainty lead to weaker demand from UK customers for holidays.
So a company that has been running for 180 years goes bust and its the fault of brexit, thats a very poor excuse for a very badly run company,in early 2019 it had 1.6 BILLION of debt, it has plainly been poorly run for many years"
That is not what I said and it was not what Thomas Cook said.
Their UK market was affected by weaker demand for summer holidays because people were delaying purchases due to Brexit uncertainty, the company said.
The consolation for people who have booked with Thomas Cook can be found in the EU Package Travel Regulations. |
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Thomas Cook were losing money long before the EU referendum was even considered.
Instead of restructuring the company they were racking up huge debts by buying the competition. Mytravel 1.1billion right down
Executives still taking huge million pound salaries and happy to use brexit as a convenient excuse.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I suspect the Brexit uncertainty is affecting all sorts of markets - people delaying purchases until the uncertainty is gone.
Not me. I'm following HMG's advice and stockpiling cheap cigs in Madrid  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I suspect the Brexit uncertainty is affecting all sorts of markets - people delaying purchases until the uncertainty is gone.
Not me. I'm following HMG's advice and stockpiling cheap cigs in Madrid "
I hope you sailed to Madrid and walked to stock up on cigs.
It’s the only way you’re allowed to travel these days if you listen to climate denial change muppets.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"John McDonnell MP Quote
"labour will end in- work poverty "
(so that's everyone back on the dole )!"
Yep a 32 hour week with the same pay should see the role queues rise.Wonder what he will come up with next free space travel for the unemployed. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Labour abolishing private schools will get Etonian fans upset and the hooray Henry’s... "
A Labour MP on the DP promoting the idea had the piss taken out of her by another. She was garbling about the need for equality in education, the poor to have a fair playing field, children needing to choose the best schools for them. Another woman came back at her with the same human rights argument; that Labour be taking away other children's rights, Labour would have to abolish Cambridge and Oxford, would all private tuition be abolished - extra lessons, maths, athletics, piano. How are 660,000 private ed children going to be absorbed into state ed.
She gave the argument that private ed parents contribute to the education budget without taking out, that Labour would have to then spend more money buying private schools, and whilst free schools aren't private they do offer non state tuition because the state cannot accommodate it.
It seems one of those contentions that is honourable but is being tackled from the wrong direction. Inequalities are not simply due to education.. focusing on state/private ed will not solve them.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"John McDonnell MP Quote
"labour will end in- work poverty "
(so that's everyone back on the dole )!Yep a 32 hour week with the same pay should see the role queues rise.Wonder what he will come up with next free space travel for the unemployed. "
The naysayers said the same thing when the Labour movement campaigned for an to the 72 hour working week.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
How many labour mp's were privately educated? Pure envy and hatred, what's wrong with people spending money on private education rather than relying on the state, the more that do so leaves more money for the ones left |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"How many labour mp's were privately educated? Pure envy and hatred, what's wrong with people spending money on private education rather than relying on the state, the more that do so leaves more money for the ones left"
Jeremy Corbyn was for starters.
Surely the argument is to higher the lowest standards, not lower the higher standards.
Public schools that are privately owned, have already vowed to spend years dragging any Labour Government that try and snatch their assets, through the courts.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Labour abolishing private schools will get Etonian fans upset and the hooray Henry’s...
A Labour MP on the DP promoting the idea had the piss taken out of her by another. She was garbling about the need for equality in education, the poor to have a fair playing field, children needing to choose the best schools for them. Another woman came back at her with the same human rights argument; that Labour be taking away other children's rights, Labour would have to abolish Cambridge and Oxford, would all private tuition be abolished - extra lessons, maths, athletics, piano. How are 660,000 private ed children going to be absorbed into state ed.
She gave the argument that private ed parents contribute to the education budget without taking out, that Labour would have to then spend more money buying private schools, and whilst free schools aren't private they do offer non state tuition because the state cannot accommodate it.
It seems one of those contentions that is honourable but is being tackled from the wrong direction. Inequalities are not simply due to education.. focusing on state/private ed will not solve them.
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Ah, that was the lovely Laura Pidcock, MP for Hartlepool. She was really giving it large and not allowing anyone else a chance to speak.
Did you notice her glance at her phone, then soften her stance? A spin doctor probably messaged her and told her to pipe down a bit. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
I am spotting a trend amongst this and other posts ,, those against a shorter working week , those against stopping in-work poverty , those in favour of rich parents getting a better education for their children , those in favour of people with money receiving better health care , those who like Donald Trump , those who are not bothered that our passports are made in France , those who appear oblivious to the yellow hammer report , those who think it's OK to shut down our parliament , ,, appear to be the ones who think Brexit is a good idea |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin "
Agreed, it's a headline grabber at the minute that will no doubt fade. I feels it's a potato to detract from Brexit |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin "
We had that years ago it was called the 11 plus, until labour decided to drag everyone down instead of giving those with a academic brain the right education for their abilities and those with lower academic abilities the right education for their skills. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Why should someone like me subsidise wealthy people who want their child to be educated in the private sector?"
I cant really believe you have posted that. People who pay for private education do so from TAXED income some of which covers state education which they aren't using so in fact they are subsidising the state system not the other way round |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Why should someone like me subsidise wealthy people who want their child to be educated in the private sector?"
The argument isn't who pays, it's private ed leads to long term inequality.
My argument is: I sat next to a girl in 2 out of 3 classes at college (she took 4). She got 3 A* and a B (I think) and is now a judge. I didn't get remotely close to that and am not a judge. We both had the same opportunity, just one put more work in. |
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"Why should someone like me subsidise wealthy people who want their child to be educated in the private sector?"
The parents pay the school fees, currently £9 billion a year.
As it states on the .Gov website Private schools (also known as ‘independent schools’) charge fees to attend instead of being funded by the government.
If Labour have their way they’ll have to find an additional 600,000 school places at an estimated cost of £3.5 billion a year.
We’ll leave the legal battles that will result from the policy to one side, e.g. can the government confiscate private property??
The cases under the Human Rights Act will be equally epic e.g. why can’t I choose how I educate my child ?? The HRA guarantees a right to educational choice.
The irony is where will the Labour leadership get their children educated if they close the private schools ??
And where will they get their advisers from ??
If we take Seamus Milne the Dear Leader’s Executive Director of Strategy and Communications as an example, he was privately educated at Winchester College (Hugh Gaitskell the former Labour Party leader is a former pupil) and did PPE at Balliol College, Oxford. Even the Dear Leader is a product of a Grammar School education.
As Churchill said “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” |
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"From The Guardian website a couple of hours ago -
"A key adviser to Jeremy Corbyn has reportedly quit saying the Labour leader cannot win the next general election.
"In a significant blow to Corbyn, Andrew Fisher, who masterminded the party’s 2017 manifesto, said he no longer had faith that Labour would be successful.
"Fisher wrote a memo to colleagues saying members of Corbyn’s team had a “lack of professionalism, competence and human decency”. He also accused them of making a “blizzard of lies and excuses” and apparently claimed that the highest ranks of the party were engaged in “class war”. Labour said it did not comment on staffing matters."
It's worth emphasising some of Mr Fisher's points about Corbyn's team again -
“A lack of professionalism, competence and human decency.”
"A blizzard of lies and excuses.”
"Class war."
Welcome to the wonderful world of Comrade Jezza, the Great Tribune of the People. Just the sort of chap we need as PM!
Who are your heroes and heroines then? The elite public school educated toffs like JRM, Boris, Gove, Cameron etc? It would be interesting to hear some positive points from you? "
You really don't have to a right wing, Boris loving, brextremist to not be over impressed with Jeremy and his crew.
Personally I think as a nation we've had enough of populist leaders and policies and need a less personality orientated style of politics and concentrate more on the policies on offer and the likely results of those policies.
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"Labour abolishing private schools will get Etonian fans upset and the hooray Henry’s... so much for people spending their money how they like another loony idea by the far left."
I totally agree. The politics of envy raising its ugly head again. Getting rid of some of the best schools in the country will do nothing to improve standards for the rest and simply make those schools even less accessible to everyone but the super rich.
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This is a difficult one. In my heart of hearts, I would prefer there not to be private schools, as on the whole they create (or help maintain) inequality.
One very good argument against them is that wealthy and powerful parents are kept away from state funded schools. If those people's children had to attend them, one could imagine that there would be improvements to the sytem...
However, I do also realise it would be very difficult to achieve. I would assume they would go for the easier target first, and remove their charitable status and tax avoidance.
I'd be quite happy for that to happen. |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin "
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
have to say this brexit debate is absolutely fascinating... seeing them fight over a genuine policy position...
also make me more and more sure that a "wait and see" approach is never going to work..... |
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"I am spotting a trend amongst this and other posts ,, those against a shorter working week , those against stopping in-work poverty , those in favour of rich parents getting a better education for their children , those in favour of people with money receiving better health care , those who like Donald Trump , those who are not bothered that our passports are made in France , those who appear oblivious to the yellow hammer report , those who think it's OK to shut down our parliament , ,, appear to be the ones who think Brexit is a good idea "
Not totally. I believe in good governance. I don't see that from the current government and I don't see the growing politics of envy from the current Labour Party as being the solution. I like some of the things Labour say they want to do for the many but can't go along with doing that by taking rights away from even a few such as the right to spend their own money on their own kids future.
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"Is britex not a good idea then ....why is that ????"
It's a shit idea. Making it harder to trade with are closest and richest partners and erecting unnecessary barriers to trade that don't currently exist with them and most of the rest of the world is never going to a good idea, even if you wrap it in a Union Jack or George Cross.
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"I bet there is a shortage of fences for them to sit on over Brexit, my goodness Corbyns ass must be sore. It might be safer to sit on the fence a while to consider the options before jumping off the cliff "
3 years is a long "while". |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Labour Party Conference just voted down composite to unequivocally back Remain.
Labour is officially NOT a party of Remain.
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and they have just played into the lib dems hand......
they just gave the lib dems clear water to say they are the biggest party in england and wales for remain..... |
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"How many labour mp's were privately educated? Pure envy and hatred, what's wrong with people spending money on private education rather than relying on the state, the more that do so leaves more money for the ones left
Jeremy Corbyn was for starters.
Surely the argument is to higher the lowest standards, not lower the higher standards.
Public schools that are privately owned, have already vowed to spend years dragging any Labour Government that try and snatch their assets, through the courts.
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Their idea is to drag everyone down to the same low level, not raise everyone to the level of the highest. Everyone must be exposed to state education and indoctrinated with the same dismal messages about their rights, internationalism, marxism, whatever. Parents who are prepared to make sacrifices to pay for a better education for their kids must be prevented from doing so at all costs.
Apart from Diane Abbott, who sent her son to a private school, and many other 'socialists' of course, But they are special, aren't they? |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
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Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.? |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?"
At what stage would you test and segregate the bright and gifted ones? What would you test them on to determine they are bright and gifted?
What would you do with the rest ? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Labour Party Conference just voted down composite to unequivocally back Remain.
Labour is officially NOT a party of Remain.
and they have just played into the lib dems hand......
they just gave the lib dems clear water to say they are the biggest party in england and wales for remain....."
This conference was Labour's opportunity to make strong political statements and to stand up and be counted. What a fuck up they are making of this. Not that I am complaining.
I cant wait to see how they poll after this conference - maybe even then they still won't get it lol
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
just watched a few highlights from the confrence i bet the torys are pissing themselves laughing labour winning votes for them you couldnt make this shit up.they still dont realise most normal people wana get on in life and earn as much as they can.and as for the private school thing wow so they know want to dictate to peeps how they educate there kids |
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over a year ago
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
At what stage would you test and segregate the bright and gifted ones? What would you test them on to determine they are bright and gifted?
What would you do with the rest ?"
Above my pay grade fella .An educational psychologist could answer you.
So do you think access should be based on wealth.? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"isnt that how the world works? if you want the best you pay for it"
do you think private schools should be able to use the "charity status" loophole to get out of pay VAT for example on the fee's they charge
thats the one place i would agree with labour policy... that should be stopped |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
but there not saying that are they _abio there talking about doing away with them.if i could afford private school for my kids why shouldnt i be allowed to send them.or are they gona start telling peeps how they can spend there money as for the tax loophole if its there they will use it.i know quiet a lot of self employed peeps who dont pay the rigjt tax as theres ways of getting round it if they stopped the loppholes ya wouldnt be able to cheat.its human nature to get something for nothing |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Labour abolishing private schools will get Etonian fans upset and the hooray Henry’s... so much for people spending their money how they like another loony idea by the far left."
Worked pretty well in Finland, who's education system is widely regarded as one of the best on the planet. |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
At what stage would you test and segregate the bright and gifted ones? What would you test them on to determine they are bright and gifted?
What would you do with the rest ?
Above my pay grade fella .An educational psychologist could answer you.
So do you think access should be based on wealth.? "
I don’t have a problem with parents having the choice to pay for their kids to be educated at a fee paying school.
Is it right that those parents who are paying for private schooling are already putting in to the state system, but are not using it ?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Labour Party Conference just voted down composite to unequivocally back Remain.
Labour is officially NOT a party of Remain.
and they have just played into the lib dems hand......
they just gave the lib dems clear water to say they are the biggest party in england and wales for remain....."
Looking at the venom surrounding the decision, I feel that this one will run and run yet. |
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over a year ago
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
At what stage would you test and segregate the bright and gifted ones? What would you test them on to determine they are bright and gifted?
What would you do with the rest ?
Above my pay grade fella .An educational psychologist could answer you.
So do you think access should be based on wealth.?
I don’t have a problem with parents having the choice to pay for their kids to be educated at a fee paying school.
Is it right that those parents who are paying for private schooling are already putting in to the state system, but are not using it ?
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Taxes regardless of where they are spent are inevitable.So yeah it’s right.
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
At what stage would you test and segregate the bright and gifted ones? What would you test them on to determine they are bright and gifted?
What would you do with the rest ?
Above my pay grade fella .An educational psychologist could answer you.
So do you think access should be based on wealth.?
I don’t have a problem with parents having the choice to pay for their kids to be educated at a fee paying school.
Is it right that those parents who are paying for private schooling are already putting in to the state system, but are not using it ?
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Yes it is |
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It's the uncomfortable truth of Brexit, it wasn't just Tories voting leave.
I saw some stats:
2/3rds of Conservative Voters voted Leave
1/3rd of Labour Voters voted Leave
1/4 of SNP Voters voted Leave.
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I thought it was a secret ballot ? |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?"
The brightest and best always could and still to a lesser extent can get into good private schools. I was educated at a private school in the 70s and every penny was paid for by state. It's not the brightest and best were the problem lies; it's the mediocre and a bit dim that so often get left behind in the state system but in the right private school are educated to their maximum potential and achieve more as a result. Maybe the state system should try learning some lessons from the private sector and then, if and when its learnt those lessons, it would not need to abolish the good private schools that exist because the state system would be doing its job and people would simply send their kids there for free.
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"No change then still sitting on the fence got to love him best thing to happen to the Tories."
But even better for the LibDems.
With Johnson on the right and Corbyn on the left it's a win-win for the LidDems.
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
The brightest and best always could and still to a lesser extent can get into good private schools. I was educated at a private school in the 70s and every penny was paid for by state. It's not the brightest and best were the problem lies; it's the mediocre and a bit dim that so often get left behind in the state system but in the right private school are educated to their maximum potential and achieve more as a result. Maybe the state system should try learning some lessons from the private sector and then, if and when its learnt those lessons, it would not need to abolish the good private schools that exist because the state system would be doing its job and people would simply send their kids there for free.
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
The brightest and best always could and still to a lesser extent can get into good private schools. I was educated at a private school in the 70s and every penny was paid for by state. It's not the brightest and best were the problem lies; it's the mediocre and a bit dim that so often get left behind in the state system but in the right private school are educated to their maximum potential and achieve more as a result. Maybe the state system should try learning some lessons from the private sector and then, if and when its learnt those lessons, it would not need to abolish the good private schools that exist because the state system would be doing its job and people would simply send their kids there for free.
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The average get into the best schools and end up in position of influence and power because they can buy the access to the best schools..
Its educational apartheid.Youve convinced yourself that a tiny group of wealthy individuals should represent our political class.. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin
But The denying people the right to spend their money on their kids future is probably going to be an even bigger vote looser in many circles.
Just saying.
Do you think the brightest and most gifted children should have access to a school that produces our political class and 20 prime ministers.
Or should access be based on wealth.?
The brightest and best always could and still to a lesser extent can get into good private schools. I was educated at a private school in the 70s and every penny was paid for by state. It's not the brightest and best were the problem lies; it's the mediocre and a bit dim that so often get left behind in the state system but in the right private school are educated to their maximum potential and achieve more as a result. Maybe the state system should try learning some lessons from the private sector and then, if and when its learnt those lessons, it would not need to abolish the good private schools that exist because the state system would be doing its job and people would simply send their kids there for free.
The average get into the best schools and end up in position of influence and power because they can buy the access to the best schools..
Its educational apartheid.Youve convinced yourself that a tiny group of wealthy individuals should represent our political class.."
Private schools take an average kid and make them work hard to achieve the best they can, of course parents that make a lot of sacrifices to pay for that education also make sure their kids work hard, too many parents leave it to schools to do the work and too many schools have poor teachers that cant be arsed and of course discipline is non existent these days so even the good teachers are working with one hand behind their back. |
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over a year ago
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"I don’t know why anybody is bothered by this. The grand promises are already starting to be wound back.
Not like they stand a chance of getting in power anyway"
I wouldn't be surprised with any bizzaar result in the next general election!
Conservatives to have a big majority even that is extremely unlikely but possible ..lord knows the outcome of this one.
one thing is for sure, they'll be at least two general elections in the next 12 months |
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"A merit based education system for the most gifted and brightest rather than the wealthiest is probably a vote winner in some circles..,
Just sayin "
You mean grammer schools? I'm all for them |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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Seems to me labour say they are against racism sexism ageism etc but quite happy to hate anyone with more money than them.what is privalige? Someone for example living in a mobile home and on universal credit would think a MP on £70,000 plus with a nice little second home on the broads is privileged. |
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over a year ago
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This morning(Tuesday)
BBC News interview with Rebecca Long-Bailey, labours shadow business secretary:
Rebecca"What we want is certainty".
Charlie:"So are you for remain or Brexit"
Rebbeca: " It depends ".
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over a year ago
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"This morning(Tuesday)
BBC News interview with Rebecca Long-Bailey, labours shadow business secretary:
Rebecca"What we want is certainty".
Charlie:"So are you for remain or Brexit"
Rebbeca: " It depends ".
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you couldn't make it up i wouldn't trust her to run my bath let alone business secretary. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"This morning(Tuesday)
BBC News interview with Rebecca Long-Bailey, labours shadow business secretary:
Rebecca"What we want is certainty".
Charlie:"So are you for remain or Brexit"
Rebbeca: " It depends ".
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. Of course "it depends" , it depends on the deal we get with the EU . If we get a good deal then it may be worth leaving , if we can only get a deal that will harm our country then surely at that point even those who thought we would get the easiest deal in history may change their mind and vote remain , the choice at that stage being remain or voting for us to be worse off , ,,, or ,,, voting for a brilliant deal or voting remain ,,,,Making a decision before knowing what the full consequences of leaving would be and what deal we can negotiate is what got us into the catastrophic mess we are in today and have been for the last 3 years |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's the uncomfortable truth of Brexit, it wasn't just Tories voting leave.
I saw some stats:
2/3rds of Conservative Voters voted Leave
1/3rd of Labour Voters voted Leave
1/4 of SNP Voters voted Leave.
I thought it was a secret ballot ? "
Polling.
Just like the latest survey reported in the Times that says the Welsh vote to leave was swung by English migrants in the country. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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It's the uncomfortable truth of Brexit, it wasn't just Tories voting leave.
I saw some stats:
2/3rds of Conservative Voters voted Leave
1/3rd of Labour Voters voted Leave
1/4 of SNP Voters voted Leave.
I thought it was a secret ballot ?
Polling.
Just like the latest survey reported in the Times that says the Welsh vote to leave was swung by English migrants in the country."
It was a uk vote not individual nations. |
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"This morning(Tuesday)
BBC News interview with Rebecca Long-Bailey, labours shadow business secretary:
Rebecca"What we want is certainty".
Charlie:"So are you for remain or Brexit"
Rebbeca: " It depends ".
you couldn't make it up i wouldn't trust her to run my bath let alone business secretary. "
lmfao it’s a line out of Monty python surely to god |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Confusion over a simple conference vote....
and they want to run the country 
I know, just watched the clip online, total ineptitude "
Backed up with extremely bad policies |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is Wednesday "radical nutcase" day !
Yes. Boris just flew into London.. "
2.45pm . statement from prime minister..id be upset if no mention of Jaffa cakes |
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"Is Wednesday "radical nutcase" day !
Yes. Boris just flew into London.. 2.45pm . statement from prime minister..id be upset if no mention of Jaffa cakes"
His quip in New York about tape measures and rulers was amusing |
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