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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Point being she had balls something every subsequent PM has failed to have.
Also she would have put trump firmly in his place."
Define balls? Is that the ability not to take advice? |
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By *Man1263Man
over a year ago
Stockport |
"Who can forget the milk snatcher "
Which age group do you mean?
After all it was the Labour Government from 74-79 that removed it for the 5,6 & 7 year olds. Shirley Williams.
Or do you mean the Labour Government who removed it in secondary schools?
Thatcher stopped it from the 11yr olds down to the 7 year olds.
Labour stopped it for 11-16 and the 5-7.
I suppose because Thatcher rhymes better than Shirley Williams or Ted Heath......
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If she were in charge she'd have known it was safe to tell Farage and his ilk - the 17.4 million - "Fuck off, you're not getting a Referendum on leaving the EU." Instead of shitting it and caving in to the twat, like Cameron did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If she were in charge she'd have known it was safe to tell Farage and his ilk - the 17.4 million - "Fuck off, you're not getting a Referendum on leaving the EU." Instead of shitting it and caving in to the twat, like Cameron did."
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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Let's look at her record on the EU/EEC
Campaigned hard to join the EU in the 1975 referrendum.
Created the single market
Campaigned for freedom of movement
Campigned for the expansion of membership of the EU for countries like Poland and former soviet bloc countries
Signed the Single European Act in 1986
Did most of the heavy lifting negotiating Britain's end of the Maastrich Treaty - which JM ratified a mere 13 months after she left office.
In many ways Maggie was a very big influence on the way the EU looks today - one of its architects.
There is some argument that she became progressively more anti EU in later years, but this is just as likely to be due to the fact that she was ousted by the more liberal wing (mostly pro EU) of her party when she became a political liability - leaving only the the right of the party (mostly eurosceptic) as allies. So she could have just changed her stance to maintain some influence.
In short - for the most part Maggie as very pro EU and it's extremely unlikely she would have allowed the referrendum to have happened in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If she were in charge she'd have known it was safe to tell Farage and his ilk - the 17.4 million - "Fuck off, you're not getting a Referendum on leaving the EU." Instead of shitting it and caving in to the twat, like Cameron did.
True that "
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"So as a self confessed Thatcher hater I can't help thinking would we be in this God damn awful mess if he was still in charge?"
MRS or LADY Thatcher to you, mate, is that how you treat other women?  |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
I am not the most clued up on politics nor am I a fan of Margaret Thatcher but I agreed with other postings on this thread that she wouldn’t have had a referendum.As far as I am concerned she did two good things when she became PM she found a way to make people stop renting their house and buy it.It’s good to know that after working each month and getting your salary you are paying into something that will be yours and and not renting which is really dead money.The second good thing she did was resign as PM as when she did I think we had all had enough of her and the dreaded community / poll tax. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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She saved us from socialism.
What's all this milk snatcher pish?? They're your kids you feed em.
Imagine if Foot or Kinnock had been in charge!? Marxist nutters. CND supporters.
She helped end the cold war and bring freedom to eastern europe.
A giant.
What we got now? Weasels. Trash. Traitors. Garbage.
Oh yeah she'd tell Junker (Stalin) to eff off. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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She helped end the cold war and bring freedom to eastern europe.
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Yes, we spent a fortune freeing the people of Esatern Europe from tyranny.
We brought these countries into democracy.
Still very young.
Yet there are some here who detest the idea of giving these people their freedom.
What the fuck was the Coid War about if it wasn't to give the people of eastern Europe their freedom?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am not the most clued up on politics nor am I a fan of Margaret Thatcher but I agreed with other postings on this thread that she wouldn’t have had a referendum.As far as I am concerned she did two good things when she became PM she found a way to make people stop renting their house and buy it.It’s good to know that after working each month and getting your salary you are paying into something that will be yours and and not renting which is really dead money.The second good thing she did was resign as PM as when she did I think we had all had enough of her and the dreaded community / poll tax."
She destroyed social housing, she destroyed mining, steel I dustries, she destroyed the heart of Scotland she was not democratic in the slightest..
By not allowing the referendum to happen is dictatorship, and at least Cameron as weak as he was allowed for a democratic vote and all the ones that voted to stay are all poor loser if the vote had went the other way you would all ha e thought yeah democracy has been reached.. Its laughable to think because we got a democratic vote that those who are not happy are saying we should have had a dictatorship... Jesus what has the bloody country stooped too..  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I am not the most clued up on politics nor am I a fan of Margaret Thatcher but I agreed with other postings on this thread that she wouldn’t have had a referendum.As far as I am concerned she did two good things when she became PM she found a way to make people stop renting their house and buy it.It’s good to know that after working each month and getting your salary you are paying into something that will be yours and and not renting which is really dead money.The second good thing she did was resign as PM as when she did I think we had all had enough of her and the dreaded community / poll tax.
She destroyed social housing, she destroyed mining, steel I dustries, she destroyed the heart of Scotland she was not democratic in the slightest..
By not allowing the referendum to happen is dictatorship, and at least Cameron as weak as he was allowed for a democratic vote and all the ones that voted to stay are all poor loser if the vote had went the other way you would all ha e thought yeah democracy has been reached.. Its laughable to think because we got a democratic vote that those who are not happy are saying we should have had a dictatorship... Jesus what has the bloody country stooped too.. "
Just like the "milk snatcher" myth, which party shut more coal mines and sold off more council houses?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yes, we have allowed the narrative about a shortage of social housing to be blamed in immigrants.
The reason we are short of social housing is because Thatcher sold it off for a fraction of its real value, lumbered councils with the unpaid debt and refused to replace them.
Now the demand for social housing is high - in some places - and the stock does not exist. It got flogged off.
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"Let's look at her record on the EU/EEC
Campaigned hard to join the EU in the 1975 referrendum.
Created the single market
Campaigned for freedom of movement
Campigned for the expansion of membership of the EU for countries like Poland and former soviet bloc countries
Signed the Single European Act in 1986
Did most of the heavy lifting negotiating Britain's end of the Maastrich Treaty - which JM ratified a mere 13 months after she left office.
In many ways Maggie was a very big influence on the way the EU looks today - one of its architects.
There is some argument that she became progressively more anti EU in later years, but this is just as likely to be due to the fact that she was ousted by the more liberal wing (mostly pro EU) of her party when she became a political liability - leaving only the the right of the party (mostly eurosceptic) as allies. So she could have just changed her stance to maintain some influence.
In short - for the most part Maggie as very pro EU and it's extremely unlikely she would have allowed the referrendum to have happened in the first place."
While I have no great time for her, I do think that if she, or others like her were in power for the past thirty years, people would be talking about an Anglo German alliance at the heart of the EU, and sniggering about those stupid French voting for Frexit! In much the same way as the French talk about Brexit |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So as a self confessed Thatcher hater I can't help thinking would we be in this God damn awful mess if he was still in charge?"
I think your right lol,we need a thatcher type to sort it out
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"I am not the most clued up on politics nor am I a fan of Margaret Thatcher but I agreed with other postings on this thread that she wouldn’t have had a referendum.As far as I am concerned she did two good things when she became PM she found a way to make people stop renting their house and buy it.It’s good to know that after working each month and getting your salary you are paying into something that will be yours and and not renting which is really dead money.The second good thing she did was resign as PM as when she did I think we had all had enough of her and the dreaded community / poll tax.
She destroyed social housing, she destroyed mining, steel I dustries, she destroyed the heart of Scotland she was not democratic in the slightest..
By not allowing the referendum to happen is dictatorship, and at least Cameron as weak as he was allowed for a democratic vote and all the ones that voted to stay are all poor loser if the vote had went the other way you would all ha e thought yeah democracy has been reached.. Its laughable to think because we got a democratic vote that those who are not happy are saying we should have had a dictatorship... Jesus what has the bloody country stooped too..
Just like the "milk snatcher" myth, which party shut more coal mines and sold off more council houses?
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The Labour party shut old coal faces & connected what was left into Supermines with many different pitheads.
More productive & cost effective to have evrything coming from 4 new supermines
Just read up on the 1974 Plan for Coal. |
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"She would not back down to the ira "
Yet her MI5 asked the UVF to asassinate the Irish
Taoiseach , never mind her Friendship with the Mass murderer
Pinochet .
Lovely Woman .
What was that Frankie boyle joke
£4.6 million for her funeral,
If theyd bought a shovel for every person
In Scotland we'd have dug a hole & delivered
Her to the Devil ourselves.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"She backed the single market and was really positive about it
I would think thatcher would be a remainer. "
She would have not she fought the EU,a single maket was and is totally different she was British through and through |
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"She saved us from socialism.
What's all this milk snatcher pish?? They're your kids you feed em.
Imagine if Foot or Kinnock had been in charge!? Marxist nutters. CND supporters.
She helped end the cold war and bring freedom to eastern europe.
A giant.
What we got now? Weasels. Trash. Traitors. Garbage.
Oh yeah she'd tell Junker (Stalin) to eff off."
I think she'd have been far more likely to tell Fararge to 'eff off'
There is absolutely no way Thatcher would have handed over the future of the EU and Europe to a FrancoGermam alliance. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"She saved us from socialism.
What's all this milk snatcher pish?? They're your kids you feed em.
Imagine if Foot or Kinnock had been in charge!? Marxist nutters. CND supporters.
She helped end the cold war and bring freedom to eastern europe.
A giant.
What we got now? Weasels. Trash. Traitors. Garbage.
Oh yeah she'd tell Junker (Stalin) to eff off.
I think she'd have been far more likely to tell Fararge to 'eff off'
There is absolutely no way Thatcher would have handed over the future of the EU and Europe to a FrancoGermam alliance."
this |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The roots of this morass can be found in the early 1980s.
Or some of them.
For 30 odd years, both Labour and Conservative had adhered to the principles of the Beveridge Report.
Social security for those who could not work; a job in nationalised industry for those who could; public housing for all; healthcare for all; education for all.
They used to try to outdo each other at elections who would build the most council houses.
Along came Thatcher and severed the connection between social security and nationalised industry.
She saw nationalised industry as a drain.
So instead of paying people to work, we started paying people NOT to work.
Swathes of the country were shut down.
She'd rather people on the dole than working in nationalised industry.
Those wastelands now are a big home of Brexit resentment.
They were fucked by the establishment good and proper.
Thatcher destroyed the principles behind the welfare system that gave them work.
Along comes a chav like Farage and tells them it's all the fault of the immigrants.
W*nker.
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