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By *ollie1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
It wasnt a Big Margin
If it had been 62 %-38% no one would be complaining.
FARAGE :
If a vote was lost 52% - 48 %
It's UNFINISHED BUISNESS"
Some People are so Forgetful |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
If we had lost the referendum we would have got on with life,maybe spent more time trying to educate the young,we are above being so anti democratic |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
You're not comparing like for like though and as it's been pointed out Farage himself said before the referendum if it was 52 to 48 to remain then it would be unfinished business
My view is Brexit should happen, it always has been, that was the democratic vote but that doesn't stop me from challenging leavers lies and made up statements of so called facts that simply are not  |
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had  "
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will."
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.
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I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendumIf we had lost the referendum we would have got on with life,maybe spent more time trying to educate the young,we are above being so anti democratic "
The opposite of what Farage said?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.
I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound "
Do you have any facts to back that statement ? |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will."
moan moan moan |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.moan moan moan"
People will continue to be negative towards Brexit until we get the ‘amazing deal’ we were promised |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.moan moan moan"
Love this. Moaning about someone not moaning but using the word "moan" three times.
Irony overload. |
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"I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound
You think wrong."
“ On the day of the referendum, Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of over 2,000 voters to identify the major reasons for their voting choices. This poll found that among No voters, more than half (57%) stated the pound sterling was one of the most important factors in their decision.” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound
You think wrong.
“ On the day of the referendum, Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of over 2,000 voters to identify the major reasons for their voting choices. This poll found that among No voters, more than half (57%) stated the pound sterling was one of the most important factors in their decision.”"
How many in total voted No? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.moan moan moan
Love this. Moaning about someone not moaning but using the word "moan" three times.
Irony overload."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound "
Yes, I could believe that.
Followed by the fact Scotland would be voting to leave two unions - the UK and the EU.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will."
Once the UK voted for Brexit that should automatically trigger a independence vote for Scotland and Ireland, England and Wales too |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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There's one big difference between joing the EU and leaving the EU. The first one you know exactly what your buying into while the latter is just a black box that could turn into a Pandora's box with a no deal Brexit or something more manageable with a deal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's one big difference between joing the EU and leaving the EU. The first one you know exactly what your buying into while the latter is just a black box that could turn into a Pandora's box with a no deal Brexit or something more manageable with a deal. "
Obviously membership can evolve but as a member you are part of the evolution process and not a bystander waiting to just be told what to do. |
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By *rallvalCouple
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will."
And the fact that if Scotland left then Union then there would have to be a hard border. No other possible option exists.
And suddenly a soft border in Ireland is a thing.
We saw a mass of lies in the independence referendum and saw it again in the EU referendum.
We saw the sudden back pedal just after the results were announced as well in both.
Nasty lying politicians on both sides in both votes.
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.
Once the UK voted for Brexit that should automatically trigger a independence vote for Scotland and Ireland, England and Wales too "
Did I miss something ? Is Ireland not independent ? I presume you meant Northern Ireland |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just like the SNP will not accept the referendum they had
Can you blame them?
Remember the Scots were told by the English that they could not leave the Union and stay in the EU.
They wanted to remain in the EU so they had to rejected independence. They then voted again to remain in the EU in the brexit referendum only to be told by the English that they are being taken out of the EU regardless of what they want and that they cant have another independence vote until they have been dragged out of the EU against their will.
Once the UK voted for Brexit that should automatically trigger a independence vote for Scotland and Ireland, England and Wales too
Did I miss something ? Is Ireland not independent ? I presume you meant Northern Ireland "
Yes, I meant Northern Ireland, give yourself a sticker |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish. "
. Yes that is a point worth considering but on the side of the leave campaign were Johnson , Gove ,Widdecombe , Farage , Davis , ReesMogg , Redwod , and it would be difficult to not class these as the political elite |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think you will find the top reason for not wanting to leave UK was the pound "
I mean, we've screwed that up too, so saying "it wasn't the thing we lied about but the thing we've now messed up" isn't any better. At that time, the GBP was one of the tops in world currency, now we're barely even with the Euro, and if we tank further, could be less than the USD. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it."
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it.
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems "
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I can't see it myself but I hope your right and I'm wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it.
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems .
I can't see it myself but I hope your right and I'm wrong."
Only time will tell. However , as the majority of old people voted to leave and young people voted to remain it should indicate that when the older generation have died or become more insignificant than they are now the younger generation will push for us to re join . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it.
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems .
I can't see it myself but I hope your right and I'm wrong.
Only time will tell. However , as the majority of old people voted to leave and young people voted to remain it should indicate that when the older generation have died or become more insignificant than they are now the younger generation will push for us to re join . "
I'm not sure they will. We will never be able to rejoin with the privaliged position we have now. And by then the damage will be done.
Brexit is irreversible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it.
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems .
I can't see it myself but I hope your right and I'm wrong.
Only time will tell. However , as the majority of old people voted to leave and young people voted to remain it should indicate that when the older generation have died or become more insignificant than they are now the younger generation will push for us to re join .
I'm not sure they will. We will never be able to rejoin with the privaliged position we have now. And by then the damage will be done.
Brexit is irreversible."
I agree, but rejoining with less favourable terms than we currently have will still be better than not rejoining , it also depends on how we leave |
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A fair democracy allows you to re-take a referendum to clarify facts, or if the percentage is not big enough.
The original referendum to join the EU was binding, as in it met everything needed to bind the government to the result. However people kept fighting it.
The leave referendum is advisory and did not meet the criteria to be binding. So people will obviously not be happy with it.
The Result in Northern Ireland and Scotland was above 55% so was a binding result to stay (if they were independent). So both these countries will be more annoyed at the result.
But its the uk, and 3 million more English people want out than in, so any talk of re-running is off the table, even though democracy would call for it to be re-run.
The only way you would get a re-run is if England voted remain by 1 million people, but scotland, wales, and NI voted leave and it pushed the overall vote to leave. That would be re-run until the other countries gave the result that England wanted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
I voted to leave , but think it would be just as wrong not to respect the result if stay had won ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A fair democracy allows you to re-take a referendum to clarify facts, or if the percentage is not big enough.
The original referendum to join the EU was binding, as in it met everything needed to bind the government to the result. However people kept fighting it.
The leave referendum is advisory and did not meet the criteria to be binding. So people will obviously not be happy with it.
The Result in Northern Ireland and Scotland was above 55% so was a binding result to stay (if they were independent). So both these countries will be more annoyed at the result.
But its the uk, and 3 million more English people want out than in, so any talk of re-running is off the table, even though democracy would call for it to be re-run.
The only way you would get a re-run is if England voted remain by 1 million people, but scotland, wales, and NI voted leave and it pushed the overall vote to leave. That would be re-run until the other countries gave the result that England wanted."
So why not let’s have an independent England , to Brexit .
And let the U.K. Scotland Wales N Ireland stay in then ? Everyone Happy ! |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remainers to go on fighting for another referendum"
Because we're not really a democracy. That's one thing the referendum has revealed. The country is, and always has been, run by an elite - some elected, many not, such as the Lords, Judges, the BBC, and so forth.
They've always manipulated parliamentary democracy to suit their own ends. We made the wrong choice, as far as they're concerned, and we're not going to be allowed to have our way. Even if we get some form of Brexit it will be Brexit in name only, not real independence.
But the genie is out of the bottle, the public know they're being fooled and will hopefully fight back. The next election should be very interesting! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remainers to go on fighting for another referendum
Because we're not really a democracy. That's one thing the referendum has revealed. The country is, and always has been, run by an elite - some elected, many not, such as the Lords, Judges, the BBC, and so forth.
They've always manipulated parliamentary democracy to suit their own ends. We made the wrong choice, as far as they're concerned, and we're not going to be allowed to have our way. Even if we get some form of Brexit it will be Brexit in name only, not real independence.
But the genie is out of the bottle, the public know they're being fooled and will hopefully fight back. The next election should be very interesting!"
Viva la revolution! Viva la republica! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"In any democratic vote the losers have to consent to losing, this has always happened until now, what we now have is the people v parliament hence why nobody in parliament is keen for another democratic election accept the ones trying to brexit.
There is two outcomes from this.
1 a vicious and bloody civil war
2 we move to a totalitarian dictatorship
I'm not really keen on either so I'm willing to brexit despite not voting for it.
It was advisory. We will leave, endure the predicted shit storm , then rejoin. No civil war, no dictatorship just 10 years or so of economic problems .
I can't see it myself but I hope your right and I'm wrong.
Only time will tell. However , as the majority of old people voted to leave and young people voted to remain it should indicate that when the older generation have died or become more insignificant than they are now the younger generation will push for us to re join . .
Your more stupid than I first thought!.
Firstly older people die and are replaced by other older people that hold the same views (it's a trait of being errr old) and secondly you need to get out more there's a massive movement of young right wingers (it's internet lead) and just incase it's escaped your notice the EU parliament itself is becoming more and more right wing (that's what happens when left wing politicians fail people).
So yes to recap, massive austerity still to come, massive illegal immigration, massive tax deficits, massive debt, poor democracy, lack of caring by leftwing bellends who are on the gravy train of 200k pensions.
I mean sure, your explanation sounds plausible to those on drugs or jobless (basic momentum supporter's) but to everybody else you sound demented.
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Complete certainty is a hallmark of stupidity, surely?
When people get older they don't suddenly become racist, homophobic, abortion hating, Europhobes. Social views are generational and based on the society that they grow up in, not based on chronological age.
Their certainly is a right wing rise, due to economic over-liberalisation leading to a 2008 economic crash and bailing out of the rich. The opposite of left wing socialism.
It's easy to get power by promising to fix everything by blaming everything on someone or something else. If that one thing is removed, all will be solved.
It's worked historically and the outcomes have always been bad. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
It isn't unreasonable.
Another referendum between whatever the final outcome is of this three year Conservative soap-opera is is not unreasonable either.
No deal or some deal, whichever is achieved Vs remain.
A decision based on something other than speculation seems to be a better one than that presented previously. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth |
Just a reminder that we were told, paraphrased:
"This is it! The big one, to settle it for all time. In or out. We will implement what you decide!"
Of course when they told us this, it was fully expecting a remain result.
It all changed when despite whatever machinations may have occured with ballot boxes, students voting twice etc, the result was leave.
That's when the tune sharply changed to "it's only advisory".
And of course a Remain result would have been respected, regardless of how people would have felt. There wouldn't have been the disgraceful behaviour we've been subjected to by the woefully unfit-for-purpose media. |
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"Just a reminder that we were told, paraphrased:
"This is it! The big one, to settle it for all time. In or out. We will implement what you decide!"
Of course when they told us this, it was fully expecting a remain result.
It all changed when despite whatever machinations may have occured with ballot boxes, students voting twice etc, the result was leave.
That's when the tune sharply changed to "it's only advisory".
And of course a Remain result would have been respected, regardless of how people would have felt. There wouldn't have been the disgraceful behaviour we've been subjected to by the woefully unfit-for-purpose media."
The guy who promised he'd carry out the referendum result resigned the day after taking all his promises with him and an ex PM cannot by law force a new PM to fulfil his old promises.
Now if Cameron had made it a legally binding referendum then it would probably be a different story. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a reminder that we were told, paraphrased:
"This is it! The big one, to settle it for all time. In or out. We will implement what you decide!"
Of course when they told us this, it was fully expecting a remain result.
It all changed when despite whatever machinations may have occured with ballot boxes, students voting twice etc, the result was leave.
That's when the tune sharply changed to "it's only advisory".
And of course a Remain result would have been respected, regardless of how people would have felt. There wouldn't have been the disgraceful behaviour we've been subjected to by the woefully unfit-for-purpose media."
Do you ever wonder if your belief in the referendum was woefully naive? After all that has happened or not in the last three years the one big question is why donkey dave asked a stupid question with no plan for what if everything went against him? You can blame students voting twice etc if you want but its a denial of the bigger problem which is the inadequacy of many of our elite schooled politicians to recognise that 12 years of austerity made an ideal and angry base for simplistic single minded fascists like Nige to expound their cretinous views. |
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if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish. "
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Just a reminder that we were told, paraphrased:
"This is it! The big one, to settle it for all time. In or out. We will implement what you decide!"
Of course when they told us this, it was fully expecting a remain result.
It all changed when despite whatever machinations may have occured with ballot boxes, students voting twice etc, the result was leave.
That's when the tune sharply changed to "it's only advisory".
And of course a Remain result would have been respected, regardless of how people would have felt. There wouldn't have been the disgraceful behaviour we've been subjected to by the woefully unfit-for-purpose media."
So you are choosing to accept what the Remain campaign said - "project fear", this will be economic Armageddon and a once only choice as opposed to the Leave campaign that said that it would be easy to keep all of the benefits with no obligations and no deal was not an option?
Nigel Farage saying a 52:48 remain would be unfinished business.
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
I have often wondered why the referendum result should be binding for ever and ever. Yet the general election result can be checked with the public every few years. |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum"
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
I have often wondered why the referendum result should be binding for ever and ever. Yet the general election result can be checked with the public every few years."
Because with a GE you get to see what happens AFTER the party winning has had a chance to implement their plans, incase you havent noticed we havent left yet so no chance to see the reality, give it five years after we have left and then have another vote, fair ? |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
I have often wondered why the referendum result should be binding for ever and ever. Yet the general election result can be checked with the public every few years.
Because with a GE you get to see what happens AFTER the party winning has had a chance to implement their plans, incase you havent noticed we havent left yet so no chance to see the reality, give it five years after we have left and then have another vote, fair ?"
Firstly, yes, I have noticed.
However, I do think your idea is an extremely good one. Leave and then have another vote in five years.
I can see nothing wrong with that at all.
Best answer / suggestion since David Cameron came to power! |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
I have often wondered why the referendum result should be binding for ever and ever. Yet the general election result can be checked with the public every few years.
Because with a GE you get to see what happens AFTER the party winning has had a chance to implement their plans, incase you havent noticed we havent left yet so no chance to see the reality, give it five years after we have left and then have another vote, fair ?"
I agree, however it will all depend on how we leave |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
You're not comparing like for like though and as it's been pointed out Farage himself said before the referendum if it was 52 to 48 to remain then it would be unfinished business
My view is Brexit should happen, it always has been, that was the democratic vote but that doesn't stop me from challenging leavers lies and made up statements of so called facts that simply are not "
leave won based on lies. The ones voting leave done so blindfolded. Leaving without deal is a bad move in every way. British people should put the pride aside, admit they were wrong and remain. Not just for our own good but the good of generations to come. |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper ."
in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers."
calm down mate you,re have a heart attack think of our NHS. |
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if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendumIf we had lost the referendum we would have got on with life,maybe spent more time trying to educate the young,we are above being so anti democratic "
keep fabbing because it's clear you know f all about politics... |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
It's worth mentioning that both the official Vote Leave and unofficial Leave.EU campaigns both campaigned to leave the EU with a deal - specifically a deal which would not jeapordise the UK's access the the Single Market.
Subsequently we had a General Election and the party that won campaigned for leaving the UK with a deal. Nowhere in their manifesto was a suggestion that we leave without one.
So it's absolutely clear that leaving the EU with a deal is "the will of the people" - because they voted for that on 2 separate occasions.
It's safe to say, without any equivoction, that leaving without a deal would not be respecting the result of the referrendum.
It's just going to take a bit longer - which is fine, because a timescale was never mentioned in the ref.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers."
Unfortunately there were more ignorant bastards than clever people so in a democracy we are leaving |
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"It's worth mentioning that both the official Vote Leave and unofficial Leave.EU campaigns both campaigned to leave the EU with a deal - specifically a deal which would not jeapordise the UK's access the the Single Market.
Subsequently we had a General Election and the party that won campaigned for leaving the UK with a deal. Nowhere in their manifesto was a suggestion that we leave without one.
So it's absolutely clear that leaving the EU with a deal is "the will of the people" - because they voted for that on 2 separate occasions.
It's safe to say, without any equivoction, that leaving without a deal would not be respecting the result of the referrendum.
It's just going to take a bit longer - which is fine, because a timescale was never mentioned in the ref.
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That is correct. The country is now so divided that everyone is now more concerned about fighting each other than to actually look at what they voted for. 1. Everyone was lied to, 2. Everyone is still being lied to regarding "benefits" of leaving, 3. Everyone will continue to be lied to. Boris Retardson & Co don't give a shit because they have enough in the bank in a short period of time which overcomes some people working a life time. They don't care about the people or the country, they care about themselves. Whilst there are homeless people all across the country and older being forced to work almost to 70 years of age, they are all living in great mansions probably with a very early retirement in sight...wake up people, join don't divide. Governments should be afraid of their people not the other way around! |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers.
Unfortunately there were more ignorant bastards than clever people so in a democracy we are leaving "
Unfortunately is right...I feel sorry for them. Common sense isn't that common anymore |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Unfortunately there were more ignorant bastards than clever people so in a democracy we are leaving
Unfortunately is right...I feel sorry for them. Common sense isn't that common anymore "
Very true, your common sense didnt spot my irony |
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It's because what is going on has nothing to do with democratic bollocks. It rapidly moved on and became political Bollocks. The vote was so close that the political bollockeers saw an opportunity to make party political bollocks and put us in the shit we are in now. |
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers."
You are calling 17.4m people of this country ignorant bastards. That’s the sign of someone who is as thick as two short planks or pissed when he’s posting. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers.
You are calling 17.4m people of this country ignorant bastards. That’s the sign of someone who is as thick as two short planks or pissed when he’s posting. "
That's the normal game.
Actually, 17.4 million people took what was said to them about the ease and benefits of Brexit in good faith.
Continuing to believe those fairy stories would be stupid.
So 17.4 million still repeat this nonsense. No. It would be stupid to wouldn't it? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the country voted by a big margin to join europe
and the brexiteers never accepted the referendum decision fighting against it bringing down several prime ministers in the process until they got the second vote they wanted
why is it less democratic for remaineers to go on fighting for another referendum
It's all down to the rules of referendums.
Vote they way the political class want you to, then happy days. No more referendums.
Vote the opposite of what the political class want, then keep voting until you get it right.
Just ask the Irish.
Ask the Danes too !
Also ask France ( accepting EU constitution ) Netherlands (accepting EU constitution) and Greece (accepting EU bailout) all of those simply ignored those votes which went against what the elites wanted and the established order of things .
As a supporter of Leave I could accept another referendum on the subject because I believe in Democracy but only after we have implemented the first one and the next referendum had ‘stay out of the EU ’ or ‘join the EU ’ on the ballot paper . in what universe are you living in? Once you leave there's no way back. Problem with this country is that apparently everyone needs to be worse before realising how well they are. Before this shit started remember how low the prices were? We got out of recession before things got really bad. Just remember that all we take for granted now such as free education for the young ones, NHS etc will crumble. Or you think all the revenue is internal? Yes the country pays the EU however how many investments are made from the EU here? Grants etc? You guys are so stupid!!! Can't see the wall until you actually break your teeth against it! Ignorant bastards all the leavers.
You are calling 17.4m people of this country ignorant bastards. That’s the sign of someone who is as thick as two short planks or pissed when he’s posting.
That's the normal game.
Actually, 17.4 million people took what was said to them about the ease and benefits of Brexit in good faith.
Continuing to believe those fairy stories would be stupid.
So 17.4 million still repeat this nonsense. No. It would be stupid to wouldn't it?"
So why are the tories the only leave party still so far ahead in the polls then? your theory doesn't stack up mate. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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On a vote as finely balanced as 52/48, a wise leadership would have sought compromise to reconcile the division.
Yes, exit the EU, but do so in a way that minimises the sense of loss.
Instead, we have a Conservative Party that declares it is for the 52 and to hell with the 48.
And a Liberal Democrat Party that declares it is for the 48 and to hell with the 52.
It's no way to run a country. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"On a vote as finely balanced as 52/48, a wise leadership would have sought compromise to reconcile the division.
Yes, exit the EU, but do so in a way that minimises the sense of loss.
Instead, we have a Conservative Party that declares it is for the 52 and to hell with the 48.
And a Liberal Democrat Party that declares it is for the 48 and to hell with the 52.
It's no way to run a country."
. Four years ago Jeremy Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party , since then day-after-day-after-day-after-day we hear he is an extreme politician and unwilling to compromise ,,, well .. as of today the Conservative Government are wanting to leave at any cost being prepared to shut down parliament in order to get their way ,, and ,, the Lib Dem party want to completely ignore the 17 million who voted leave by simply cancelling the referendum result . ..... It appears that only Jeremy Corbyn ( even without the entire backing of his own party ) is actually seeing that the country is completely split and is trying to find compromise to bring the country together . and sort out the catastrophic mess caused by having such a referendum with absolutely no plan how to implement the result from day one until now |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
"So why are the tories the only leave party still so far ahead in the polls then? your theory doesn't stack up mate. "
If the conservatives were the only leave party, then the desire to leave the EU would now be a minority view.
But they aren't the only leave party, and Brexit isn't the only issue people are going to vote on at a GE.
Furthermore there's been an awful lot of statistical noise and huge volatility in the polls over the last few months, so they're only leading for now.
Overall, adding up the vote share of the leave / remain party positions for the last 12 months, it's more or less level pegging.
and that only strengthens the argument for a compromise |
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"On a vote as finely balanced as 52/48, a wise leadership would have sought compromise to reconcile the division.
Yes, exit the EU, but do so in a way that minimises the sense of loss.
Instead, we have a Conservative Party that declares it is for the 52 and to hell with the 48.
And a Liberal Democrat Party that declares it is for the 48 and to hell with the 52.
It's no way to run a country."
Brilliant post. Nice one....... |
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