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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no? |
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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
If i wanted Brexit to not happen i would go with that idea, make it clear the referendum was a Tory manifesto policy and its up to them to get it done, if they can't for whatever reason and i came to power them i would attempt to revoke A50 |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no?"
There are many, many people who are questioning the wisdom of pursuing Brexit. The decision to promise to revoke A50 if they get a majority is simply brilliant in concept because...
1) There in no ambiguity about their position.
2) All committed Remainers now have a home.
3) If they don’t get a majority, any major Party looking for an alliance will know that the price will be (at least a 2nd Referendum).
In short, this is a Party that is looking to take advantage of the pragmatic, middle of the road, centre ground voting public who really have nowhere else to turn right now.
As the Conservative Party continues to morph into an authoritarian, extreme right-wing cult, so Jeremy Corbyn continues by his very weak presence as Leader to make the Labour Party more irrelevant by the day. Ordinary people tend to reject extremism, uncertainty and dithering and so the Lib Dem’s are poised to capitalise.
I fully anticipate more (a lot more) defections from Labour and the Conservatives in the coming weeks. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
But surely the only legitimate way to reverse Article 50 is to reverse where the mandate come from, in a referendum.
One has to equal the other.
Or is a General Election top trumps?
I don't think so. |
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"Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no?
There are many, many people who are questioning the wisdom of pursuing Brexit. The decision to promise to revoke A50 if they get a majority is simply brilliant in concept because...
1) There in no ambiguity about their position.
2) All committed Remainers now have a home.
3) If they don’t get a majority, any major Party looking for an alliance will know that the price will be (at least a 2nd Referendum).
In short, this is a Party that is looking to take advantage of the pragmatic, middle of the road, centre ground voting public who really have nowhere else to turn right now.
As the Conservative Party continues to morph into an authoritarian, extreme right-wing cult, so Jeremy Corbyn continues by his very weak presence as Leader to make the Labour Party more irrelevant by the day. Ordinary people tend to reject extremism, uncertainty and dithering and so the Lib Dem’s are poised to capitalise.
I fully anticipate more (a lot more) defections from Labour and the Conservatives in the coming weeks."
What would happen if the remaining Tories all defected to the lib dems? Including the cabinet. |
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"Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no?
There are many, many people who are questioning the wisdom of pursuing Brexit. The decision to promise to revoke A50 if they get a majority is simply brilliant in concept because...
1) There in no ambiguity about their position.
2) All committed Remainers now have a home.
3) If they don’t get a majority, any major Party looking for an alliance will know that the price will be (at least a 2nd Referendum).
In short, this is a Party that is looking to take advantage of the pragmatic, middle of the road, centre ground voting public who really have nowhere else to turn right now.
As the Conservative Party continues to morph into an authoritarian, extreme right-wing cult, so Jeremy Corbyn continues by his very weak presence as Leader to make the Labour Party more irrelevant by the day. Ordinary people tend to reject extremism, uncertainty and dithering and so the Lib Dem’s are poised to capitalise.
I fully anticipate more (a lot more) defections from Labour and the Conservatives in the coming weeks."
Wow , my exact thoughts , beautifully illustrated
Sadly  I do not think we have enough pragmatic remainers for the absolute solution to become reality |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit. "
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"But surely the only legitimate way to reverse Article 50 is to reverse where the mandate come from, in a referendum.
One has to equal the other.
Or is a General Election top trumps?
I don't think so."
I am in agreement with you about a referendum, but the current trajectory suggests that there will unfortunately be a GE before there is another referendum. I don’t agree with this at all because the fuckwits will just vote in a GE for the one issue that is winding them up and ignore the really important stuff that in reality, is probably more relevant and more impactful to day to day life than Brexit.
So as far as the Lib Dem’s go, they support a 2nd referendum right now and if that doesn’t happen they will campaign to revoke A50 if they win a majority. They probably won’t get a majority, but if they did it would be a proxy referendum simply because they have an overall majority that has been won on an unambiguous and clear promise.
The Lib Dem’s with Jo Swinson in charge are about to launch themselves right into the fertile centre ground of moderate politics. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?"
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Liberal Democrats party is one of the more established and oldest political parties in the UK. The lib dems can certainly trace their roots back much further than the labour party which was founded in 1900.
By default, the Liberal Democrats are a group of politicians who should be about central (neither left wing nor right wing) in their views and policies.
I have lived through both Labour and Conservative governments. Neither proved to be a panacea for everyone.
There are many issues facing our United Kingdom at the present time. Not least is walking a tightrope of balance between Europe, Russia, China and the USA. And of course, conservation / pollution.
I would dearly love to give my vote to the green party because I'm worried about the ecology of our planet. However, I'm worried that the green party doesn't command enough support from the essential business world.
In any forthcoming election, my vote will be either a spoilt paper or a vote for the Lib Dems.
The UK is a country of variety, of many different income brackets, many different sexualities and many different races. If the lib dems could really get their act together, I have every confidence that the lib dems could become a force to be reckoned with.
I'd vote for the lib dems and give them a chance! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"But surely the only legitimate way to reverse Article 50 is to reverse where the mandate come from, in a referendum.
One has to equal the other.
Or is a General Election top trumps?
I don't think so.
I am in agreement with you about a referendum, but the current trajectory suggests that there will unfortunately be a GE before there is another referendum. I don’t agree with this at all because the fuckwits will just vote in a GE for the one issue that is winding them up and ignore the really important stuff that in reality, is probably more relevant and more impactful to day to day life than Brexit.
So as far as the Lib Dem’s go, they support a 2nd referendum right now and if that doesn’t happen they will campaign to revoke A50 if they win a majority. They probably won’t get a majority, but if they did it would be a proxy referendum simply because they have an overall majority that has been won on an unambiguous and clear promise.
The Lib Dem’s with Jo Swinson in charge are about to launch themselves right into the fertile centre ground of moderate politics."
So you think anyone who votes in the GE with the view to secure the brexit result they want is a "fuckwit" so much for being moderate and tolerant of others views |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate? "
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate?
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding."
So why should a second ref be binding and not the first ? The PM at the time said the result would be respected ie binding, was he lying ? Yet he and many others accuse Boris of lying, strange world |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But surely the only legitimate way to reverse Article 50 is to reverse where the mandate come from, in a referendum.
One has to equal the other.
Or is a General Election top trumps?
I don't think so.
I am in agreement with you about a referendum, but the current trajectory suggests that there will unfortunately be a GE before there is another referendum. I don’t agree with this at all because the fuckwits will just vote in a GE for the one issue that is winding them up and ignore the really important stuff that in reality, is probably more relevant and more impactful to day to day life than Brexit.
So as far as the Lib Dem’s go, they support a 2nd referendum right now and if that doesn’t happen they will campaign to revoke A50 if they win a majority. They probably won’t get a majority, but if they did it would be a proxy referendum simply because they have an overall majority that has been won on an unambiguous and clear promise.
The Lib Dem’s with Jo Swinson in charge are about to launch themselves right into the fertile centre ground of moderate politics."
I'm not sure there will be any general election in the near future. We've let Boris take control and that is what he likes; being in control. He has already called 2 general elections and been denied them by the opposition. Boris himself has commented about how the whole country of the UK is "election weary".
For my money, I'm placing bets on Boris pulling us out of the EU on 31 Oct, reforming the electoral system, reviewing duty free sales, reviewing employment laws, tweeking food hygiene laws to allow chlorinated chicken for those who want chlorinated chicken, and....
In 100 years time, I think we are at risk of celebrating the life of President Johnson of the UK.
I do truly believe that getting Boris dePefeffel out of office will prove to be more difficult than getting North Korean citizenship for a Bangkok Prozzy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate?
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding.
So why should a second ref be binding and not the first ? The PM at the time said the result would be respected ie binding, was he lying ? Yet he and many others accuse Boris of lying, strange world "
Very strange world. The 1st referendum cant be delivered as it stands so let there be a 2nd and if that still says leave then MPs will have no choice but to get it through. |
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate?
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding.
So why should a second ref be binding and not the first ? The PM at the time said the result would be respected ie binding, was he lying ? Yet he and many others accuse Boris of lying, strange world
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As you have probably heard, but not heard, many times. It was an advisory referendum with no legal binding power.
I am afraid that what one PM/government says, has no legal standing with the next.
In fact some of the issues with the backstop were around that exact problem.
If a second referendum was formulated it could be made a binding thing. But it would need to ask more than just in/out.
As has been discovered, there are myriad options, and we need to be clear exactly what is being sought. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate?
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding.
So why should a second ref be binding and not the first ? The PM at the time said the result would be respected ie binding, was he lying ? Yet he and many others accuse Boris of lying, strange world
As you have probably heard, but not heard, many times. It was an advisory referendum with no legal binding power.
I am afraid that what one PM/government says, has no legal standing with the next.
In fact some of the issues with the backstop were around that exact problem.
If a second referendum was formulated it could be made a binding thing. But it would need to ask more than just in/out.
As has been discovered, there are myriad options, and we need to be clear exactly what is being sought. "
We ALL know the first was legally advisory, that is NOT the point, we were asked a question, we gave the answer that wasnt the one expected, however as a decent honest government and parliament the country expects the vote to be acted on, I dont know of one MP who said that the vote would/should be ignored |
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"Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no?"
Very ambitious. A big risk to take, too, under FPTP. At least they're being unequivocal. Quite a new thing for them. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"But surely the only legitimate way to reverse Article 50 is to reverse where the mandate come from, in a referendum.
One has to equal the other.
Or is a General Election top trumps?
I don't think so.
I am in agreement with you about a referendum, but the current trajectory suggests that there will unfortunately be a GE before there is another referendum. I don’t agree with this at all because the fuckwits will just vote in a GE for the one issue that is winding them up and ignore the really important stuff that in reality, is probably more relevant and more impactful to day to day life than Brexit.
So as far as the Lib Dem’s go, they support a 2nd referendum right now and if that doesn’t happen they will campaign to revoke A50 if they win a majority. They probably won’t get a majority, but if they did it would be a proxy referendum simply because they have an overall majority that has been won on an unambiguous and clear promise.
The Lib Dem’s with Jo Swinson in charge are about to launch themselves right into the fertile centre ground of moderate politics.
So you think anyone who votes in the GE with the view to secure the brexit result they want is a "fuckwit" so much for being moderate and tolerant of others views "
No they would be fuckwits for voting into power a political Party for the next five years because they are wound up about one single issue. That is about as dumb as dumb can be.
If that cap fits anyone reading this - so be it. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Well done the Lib dems, we are certainly going to vote them if they are going to cancel Brexit.
Without a mandate from the majority of the electorate?
If they go from where they are to getting an overall majority in Parliament based on a manifesto pledge to revoke A50 - is that not a clear mandate?
The GE will be hijacked with everything revolving around Brexit. Let the GE be fought on other matters and let Brexit be determined by a 2nd referendum which is binding."
I agree! But few others do and the trajectory now appears to be focused on a GE |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Punching above her weight?
Elect me as PM and I will revoke Article 50.
Or a negotiating position?
I abhor Brexir, but it cannot be changed.
Unless a new referendum produced a different result.
This seems very, er, um, ambitious by the Lib Dems, no?"
I heard a presenter on talk radio today (a remainer) saying that there are two extremist positions over Brexit...
Those who say "no deal and nothing else will do"
And the Lib Dems who say "revoke article 50, and nothing else will do"
He justified them as being extremists as both sides are polar opposites of each other, unwilling to compromise and intolerant of others' views.
Kind of made sense to me. |
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