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over a year ago
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I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
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over a year ago
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?"
Sure, we've wasted around £125 billion on brexit so far. For literally no gain.
In comparison, £15 billion for a bridge is a bargain. |
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?"
It's so they can put the hard border in Scotland/Wales and keep a soft border between NI and Eire.
It is a dumb idea
But hey - if UK Plc wants to drop 15Bill of jobs/infrastructure in Arran... sure... we'll build it.  |
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?"
They estimate 15 billion so in reality you can at least triple that  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?
Sure, we've wasted around £125 billion on brexit so far. For literally no gain.
In comparison, £15 billion for a bridge is a bargain."
Good answer!
For comparison, I took a look at the Channel Tunnel.......
It has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world (23.5 miles). The project cost £4.65 billion (equivalent to £12 billion today), 80 per cent more than expected. Construction took six years (1988-1994).
From this I have guessed that the new bridge will NOT be the longest in the world yet will cost more than the equivalent cost for the chunnel.
Also, I notice that Irish Ferries are currently having the largest cruise ferry in the world built for them, to operate Dublin - Holyhead. It is costing £165 million to build.
For £15 billion we could buy another 9 of those ferries. I'm not sure there is that amount of capacity required across the Irish Sea.
It just doesn't add up. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?
They estimate 15 billion so in reality you can at least triple that "
For comparison sake, apparently the Channel Tunnel over ran by 80% |
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over a year ago
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?
It's so they can put the hard border in Scotland/Wales and keep a soft border between NI and Eire.
It is a dumb idea
But hey - if UK Plc wants to drop 15Bill of jobs/infrastructure in Arran... sure... we'll build it. "
I can't see the Peel corporation (a secretive and quiet establishment which has far too much control of the Mersey corridor thanks to its interests in the Manchester Ship Canal) being happy about that after their investments in Liverpool and Heysham.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?
Sure, we've wasted around £125 billion on brexit so far. For literally no gain.
In comparison, £15 billion for a bridge is a bargain.
Good answer!
For comparison, I took a look at the Channel Tunnel.......
It has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world (23.5 miles). The project cost £4.65 billion (equivalent to £12 billion today), 80 per cent more than expected. Construction took six years (1988-1994).
From this I have guessed that the new bridge will NOT be the longest in the world yet will cost more than the equivalent cost for the chunnel.
Also, I notice that Irish Ferries are currently having the largest cruise ferry in the world built for them, to operate Dublin - Holyhead. It is costing £165 million to build.
For £15 billion we could buy another 9 of those ferries. I'm not sure there is that amount of capacity required across the Irish Sea.
It just doesn't add up."
Yeah I don't really understand the need for it
Just buy a few extra ferries like you said.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm sorry, but I truly ruly can not find any reason at all why spending £15 billion on a bridge between Northern Ireland and British Isles can solve the Irish backstop issue.
A bridge would simply allow vehicles and / or trains to cross the Irish Sea. Much the same as ferries already carry out that process.
Am I missing something?
Sure, we've wasted around £125 billion on brexit so far. For literally no gain.
In comparison, £15 billion for a bridge is a bargain.
Good answer!
For comparison, I took a look at the Channel Tunnel.......
It has the longest undersea portion of any tunnel in the world (23.5 miles). The project cost £4.65 billion (equivalent to £12 billion today), 80 per cent more than expected. Construction took six years (1988-1994).
From this I have guessed that the new bridge will NOT be the longest in the world yet will cost more than the equivalent cost for the chunnel.
Also, I notice that Irish Ferries are currently having the largest cruise ferry in the world built for them, to operate Dublin - Holyhead. It is costing £165 million to build.
For £15 billion we could buy another 9 of those ferries. I'm not sure there is that amount of capacity required across the Irish Sea.
It just doesn't add up.
Yeah I don't really understand the need for it
Just buy a few extra ferries like you said.
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I agree, I really can't see £15billion worth of demand. I'm sure that if Irish Ferries could fill another 9 ferries, they would certainly not be buying only 1 ferry.
A bridge doesn't solve any border issues, you could have a border / check point at the Irish or the Scottish end of the bridge, but that's no different to a border / check point at a ferry terminal.
Of course, it would be possible to build a check point on an artificial island in the middle of the Irish Sea, but that would put a border in the middle of the Irish Sea.
And most blatantly of all, a bridge between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain does NOTHING to solve any border problem between Eire and Northern Ireland.
Oh, I think I've worked it out....... |
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A link between Paris and London makes sense. Not France and England.
A link between larne and portpatrick?
It would take about 100 billion for the bridge, and then another 20 or 30 billion for links to the bridge site. You'd need modern motorway, modern train link, its 2019 so a superfast train link, maybe maglev...
I mean its nonsense from the start.
Now if you are talking about one superfast rail network linking all major cities in the uk, then yeah the bridge starts to make sense. |
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" 15 billion they say so probably nearer 115 billion then and mabey 5 or 6 yrs longer than yhey think"
For comparison, according to Google, the Chunnel over ran by about that long and by about 80% extra cost.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A link between Paris and London makes sense. Not France and England.
A link between larne and portpatrick?
It would take about 100 billion for the bridge, and then another 20 or 30 billion for links to the bridge site. You'd need modern motorway, modern train link, its 2019 so a superfast train link, maybe maglev...
I mean its nonsense from the start.
Now if you are talking about one superfast rail network linking all major cities in the uk, then yeah the bridge starts to make sense."
If we are to compete with Europe, then we need to have the scale of Europe. There are already high speed feight on rail links for unaccompanied trailers from Calais to Spain and Italy. Calais is one of the more important European ports for road freight and the French have already come up with a solution to take freight off the French roads, from Calais.
Meanwhile, here in England, it's impossible to create a train track into our Calais equivalent (Dover) and although Folkestone Harbour was once train accessible, we stitched that option up long ago0 with a cycleway.
Beeching has a hell of a lot to answer for. |
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"What a great film - superb cast Sean Connery, Michael Caine and a host of others. Rewatch it on Netflix (this film may be available on other competing platforms)."
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"What a great film - superb cast Sean Connery, Michael Caine and a host of others. Rewatch it on Netflix (this film may be available on other competing platforms)."
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