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over a year ago
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There is a tempting solution for brexit and that is to form a 3 state, where ireland, northern ireland and scotland form a state which would be the same status quo as they want to remain, what is your view, would it work?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is a tempting solution for brexit and that is to form a 3 state, where ireland, northern ireland and scotland form a state which would be the same status quo as they want to remain, what is your view, would it work? "
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"There is a tempting solution for brexit and that is to form a 3 state, where ireland, northern ireland and scotland form a state which would be the same status quo as they want to remain, what is your view, would it work? "
That's a recipe for sectarian violence! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Less contentious perhaps for the UK simply to remove England and Wales from jurisdiction of the EU, just as Denmark did with Greenland .
I have a Celtic nations flag. Or U did until I gave it to a pub in Bristol to pin to the ceiling.
Seven flags in one.
The red hand of Ulster isn't one of them.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. "
Yes and that could be one solution to it too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. "
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Democracy fundamentally runs on the principal one side wins one side loses which requires the losers to consent to losing.
Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you.
The bad news I'm afraid is under the rule of law the majority which won have the right to say, fuck off your not getting it. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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You seem up the adversarial nature of the British.
Winner takes all and fuck you.
On a 52/48 result, any wise person could see that, without compromise, the division would wreck society.
Norway voted 52/48 against the EU.
Their politicians were wise enough to find a compromise that allowed the country to move forward.
The British, it seems, are unable.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. .
Democracy fundamentally runs on the principal one side wins one side loses which requires the losers to consent to losing.
Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you.
The bad news I'm afraid is under the rule of law the majority which won have the right to say, fuck off your not getting it."
"Democracy" eh!
If people were so concerned about the integrity of democracy their main outrage should be at those who undermined the whole process through a campaign of misinformation that persuaded people to vote leave.
And I can't leave. Because we're losing the freedom of movement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. .
Democracy fundamentally runs on the principal one side wins one side loses which requires the losers to consent to losing.
Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you.
The bad news I'm afraid is under the rule of law the majority which won have the right to say, fuck off your not getting it.
"Democracy" eh!
If people were so concerned about the integrity of democracy their main outrage should be at those who undermined the whole process through a campaign of misinformation that persuaded people to vote leave.
And I can't leave. Because we're losing the freedom of movement."
The outrage should be directed at the House of Commons who believe that they (600 +) know better than the millions who voted leave, or better still at Cameron who gave Clegg a referendum to keep the Lib Dem whores on side and then buggered off the day after to write his book, and at Clegg who has fucked off to the States |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The outrage should be directed at the House of Commons who believe that they (600 +) know better than the millions who voted leave, or better still at Cameron who gave Clegg a referendum to keep the Lib Dem whores on side and then buggered off the day after to write his book, and at Clegg who has fucked off to the States"
Your understanding of why David Cameron inserted a referendum in the 2015 Conservative manifesto is incorrect.
UKIP was eating up Conservative vote share and Cameron saw it as a way to hold onto power.
He thought the 2015 election would produce another coalition.
Clegg was completely against the idea, so Cameron thought he'd be able to drop the idea and blame his Lib Dem partners.
Unfortunately for Cameron, UKIP told its voters to vote Conservative, he won a majority and had to go through with the idea.
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By (user no longer on site)
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The outrage should be directed at the House of Commons who believe that they (600 +) know better than the millions who voted leave, or better still at Cameron who gave Clegg a referendum to keep the Lib Dem whores on side and then buggered off the day after to write his book, and at Clegg who has fucked off to the States
Your understanding of why David Cameron inserted a referendum in the 2015 Conservative manifesto is incorrect.
UKIP was eating up Conservative vote share and Cameron saw it as a way to hold onto power.
He thought the 2015 election would produce another coalition.
Clegg was completely against the idea, so Cameron thought he'd be able to drop the idea and blame his Lib Dem partners.
Unfortunately for Cameron, UKIP told its voters to vote Conservative, he won a majority and had to go through with the idea.
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This.
And the 600+ MPs are still taking us down the brexit route. Just not a no-deal brexit.
So what's the problem? |
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. .
Democracy fundamentally runs on the principal one side wins one side loses which requires the losers to consent to losing.
Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you.
The bad news I'm afraid is under the rule of law the majority which won have the right to say, fuck off your not getting it.
"Democracy" eh!
If people were so concerned about the integrity of democracy their main outrage should be at those who undermined the whole process through a campaign of misinformation that persuaded people to vote leave.
And I can't leave. Because we're losing the freedom of movement."
Youre the one giving misinformation there will be freedom of movement but not freedom for any of 500m EU citizens to work here and claim benefits here. We will choose who can di that based in who can offer us some skill that our country needs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The point is that it's not only people who voted for brexit that will be worse off and have less rights. It's all of us who are paying the price.
If there was some way for the leavers to live in one half of the country, with whatever Brexit brings. And the rest of us can live in the EU side with all the benefits that includes. .
Democracy fundamentally runs on the principal one side wins one side loses which requires the losers to consent to losing.
Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you.
The bad news I'm afraid is under the rule of law the majority which won have the right to say, fuck off your not getting it.
"Democracy" eh!
If people were so concerned about the integrity of democracy their main outrage should be at those who undermined the whole process through a campaign of misinformation that persuaded people to vote leave.
And I can't leave. Because we're losing the freedom of movement.
Youre the one giving misinformation there will be freedom of movement but not freedom for any of 500m EU citizens to work here and claim benefits here. We will choose who can di that based in who can offer us some skill that our country needs. "
While we're in the EU I can travel to, live in and work in any EU country.
Out of the EU I will no longer have that.
I was responding to the above poster who suggested if I am not happy with brexit. I could leave.
No misinformation from me.
On a side note. I consider it a positive that we have a multitude of EU nationals living and working here. |
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Im all for immigration just like you and both my parents are immigrants but you would allow any of 500m to come here. Thats racist and discriminatory towards would be immigrants from Africa and Asia where you are in favour of controlling the numbers coming. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im all for immigration just like you and both my parents are immigrants but you would allow any of 500m to come here. Thats racist and discriminatory towards would be immigrants from Africa and Asia where you are in favour of controlling the numbers coming."
Well we were talking specifically about the EU. So that's what I was referring to.
Why would I be the person who would "allow any of the 500m to come here"? The system we have as a member of the EU was working perfectly.
I'm not sure why you're throwing the race card around. Doesn't make any sense in this context.
I'm in favour of an immigration system that favours countries specifically effect by British foreign policy. IE counties we have invaded and or destablised.
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"Im all for immigration just like you and both my parents are immigrants but you would allow any of 500m to come here. Thats racist and discriminatory towards would be immigrants from Africa and Asia where you are in favour of controlling the numbers coming.
Well we were talking specifically about the EU. So that's what I was referring to.
Why would I be the person who would "allow any of the 500m to come here"? The system we have as a member of the EU was working perfectly.
I'm not sure why you're throwing the race card around. Doesn't make any sense in this context.
I'm in favour of an immigration system that favours countries specifically effect by British foreign policy. IE counties we have invaded and or destablised.
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Apologies I’m sure you aren’t racist but the following situation exists while we are members of the EU
Up to 500m white skinned people can come here to live and work and claim benefits without us as a country having any say in that but if your skin is brown because you are from Africa or Asia you can’t do the same thing ie it’s ok to control brown immigration but not white immigration . That’s why many Asians in Yorkshire voted Leave as being in the EU discriminated against their close relatives back home yet they see millions of Eastern European’s with no connections coming here at will.
I welcome immigrants from any part of the world but I just want our country to have a say who can come here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im all for immigration just like you and both my parents are immigrants but you would allow any of 500m to come here. Thats racist and discriminatory towards would be immigrants from Africa and Asia where you are in favour of controlling the numbers coming.
Well we were talking specifically about the EU. So that's what I was referring to.
Why would I be the person who would "allow any of the 500m to come here"? The system we have as a member of the EU was working perfectly.
I'm not sure why you're throwing the race card around. Doesn't make any sense in this context.
I'm in favour of an immigration system that favours countries specifically effect by British foreign policy. IE counties we have invaded and or destablised.
Apologies I’m sure you aren’t racist but the following situation exists while we are members of the EU
Up to 500m white skinned people can come here to live and work and claim benefits without us as a country having any say in that but if your skin is brown because you are from Africa or Asia you can’t do the same thing ie it’s ok to control brown immigration but not white immigration . That’s why many Asians in Yorkshire voted Leave as being in the EU discriminated against their close relatives back home yet they see millions of Eastern European’s with no connections coming here at will.
I welcome immigrants from any part of the world but I just want our country to have a say who can come here."
The EU has nothing to do with our non-EU immigration policy. As you point out.
People who voted on this premise need to have a good hard think about what they're doing with their lives.  |
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"Now if we're going to abandon that 500 year tradition then yes, you'll have to live somewhere else, the good news is, off you pop nobodys stopping you."
You will be stopped, you will have no right to move into the EU, or anywhere else for that matter. |
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Its an interesting idea.
To me it seems obvious that Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Scotland would work better together than the UK works together.
This is simply due to them being 3 big fish in a pond, instead of one big fish, 2 small fish and a minnow in a pond.
Add Iceland and maybe Norway, and you would have a really cool group. |
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"Can Wales annex itself from england and join in to make it a true celtic confederation... "
Yes, Wales would be good in it too.
Ireland - 5 million
Norway - 5 million
Scotland - 5 million
Wales - 3 million
N.I - 1.8 million
Iceland - 300 thousand.
Although Iceland and N.I are smaller, due to them having such close ties it would be easy to grant everyone in the group 1 equal vote.
If England came on board with 55 million. They would want 10/11 votes. So they would basically run the show. It would be cool to have them in the group if they had 1 vote though same as everyone else, so cool, but couldnt see it happening. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can Wales annex itself from england and join in to make it a true celtic confederation...
Yes, Wales would be good in it too.
Ireland - 5 million
Norway - 5 million
Scotland - 5 million
Wales - 3 million
N.I - 1.8 million
Iceland - 300 thousand.
Although Iceland and N.I are smaller, due to them having such close ties it would be easy to grant everyone in the group 1 equal vote.
If England came on board with 55 million. They would want 10/11 votes. So they would basically run the show. It would be cool to have them in the group if they had 1 vote though same as everyone else, so cool, but couldnt see it happening."
That's right.
England likes being a big fish in a little pond.
It hates being a little fish in a big pond.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Can Wales annex itself from england and join in to make it a true celtic confederation...
Yes, Wales would be good in it too.
Ireland - 5 million
Norway - 5 million
Scotland - 5 million
Wales - 3 million
N.I - 1.8 million
Iceland - 300 thousand.
Although Iceland and N.I are smaller, due to them having such close ties it would be easy to grant everyone in the group 1 equal vote.
If England came on board with 55 million. They would want 10/11 votes. So they would basically run the show. It would be cool to have them in the group if they had 1 vote though same as everyone else, so cool, but couldnt see it happening.
That's right.
England likes being a big fish in a little pond.
It hates being a little fish in a big pond.
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With the 4 countries, northern ireland, ireland, wales and scotland they would have a population of 10.42 million. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The new Viking republic
Obviously it would be a dumb idea economically, but at least it would have street cred with the kids, cause it sounds like a cool group lol"
Aww.
If I was 30 years younger, I could rinse my hair with Irn Bru and make a few bob travelling the republic
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"With the 4 countries, northern ireland, ireland, wales and scotland they would have a population of 10.42 million."
Wales (3,063,456) + Republic (4,761,865) + Scotland (5,438,000) + NI (1,889,300) = 15.1 million.
It would be more than that as some of the numbers are from 2016 and stuff. |
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If this ‘confederation’ came about who would subsidise it as it can’t pay its way at the moment . England subsidises Scotland and NI and the EU subsidises the Republic of Ireland .
I feel most sorry for the Republic as their youngest and poorest people will be paying off for at least two generations the huge EU loan that was forced upon them purely to rescue the German and French creditors of those failed Irish Banks. Both Ireland and Greece should have defaulted but the elites in these two countries run the show and are part of a gentleman’s club just like every other country in the EU . |
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"If this ‘confederation’ came about who would subsidise it as it can’t pay its way at the moment . England subsidises Scotland and NI and the EU subsidises the Republic of Ireland .
I feel most sorry for the Republic as their youngest and poorest people will be paying off for at least two generations the huge EU loan that was forced upon them purely to rescue the German and French creditors of those failed Irish Banks. Both Ireland and Greece should have defaulted but the elites in these two countries run the show and are part of a gentleman’s club just like every other country in the EU ."
If the above doesn’t say it’s tome for England to go alone I don’t know what does ? |
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"If this ‘confederation’ came about who would subsidise it as it can’t pay its way at the moment . England subsidises Scotland and NI and the EU subsidises the Republic of Ireland .
I feel most sorry for the Republic as their youngest and poorest people will be paying off for at least two generations the huge EU loan that was forced upon them purely to rescue the German and French creditors of those failed Irish Banks. Both Ireland and Greece should have defaulted but the elites in these two countries run the show and are part of a gentleman’s club just like every other country in the EU ."
Ireland could take the 16.4 billion surplus England makes from them every year, and give it to Scotland and Northern Ireland instead. Ireland could even put that on the side of a bus as an advert for the idea.
Ireland wouldn't need propping up with scottish oil money anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"With the 4 countries, northern ireland, ireland, wales and scotland they would have a population of 10.42 million.
Wales (3,063,456) + Republic (4,761,865) + Scotland (5,438,000) + NI (1,889,300) = 15.1 million.
It would be more than that as some of the numbers are from 2016 and stuff."
Yes, it would be at about 15.1 million as they havent updated it. |
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"If this ‘confederation’ came about who would subsidise it as it can’t pay its way at the moment . England subsidises Scotland and NI and the EU subsidises the Republic of Ireland .
I feel most sorry for the Republic as their youngest and poorest people will be paying off for at least two generations the huge EU loan that was forced upon them purely to rescue the German and French creditors of those failed Irish Banks. Both Ireland and Greece should have defaulted but the elites in these two countries run the show and are part of a gentleman’s club just like every other country in the EU .
Ireland could take the 16.4 billion surplus England makes from them every year, and give it to Scotland and Northern Ireland instead. Ireland could even put that on the side of a bus as an advert for the idea.
Ireland wouldn't need propping up with scottish oil money anyway."
As they would form their new union, they would still be with the eu and still get all the benefits |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Fine by me ??
And I suspect a lot of other English People aswell !
Exactly, Most English people would be fine with Scotland and Northern Ireland leaving. They are just a burden."
The EU is a burden on the English.
The Scottish and the Irish are a burden on the English.
Boo-hoo, the world has got it in for us!
Chip.
On.
Shoulder.
Much.
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"There is a tempting solution for brexit and that is to form a 3 state, where ireland, northern ireland and scotland form a state which would be the same status quo as they want to remain, what is your view, would it work? "
Why not include Cornwall, Brittany, and Galicia as well. All 3 have Celtic Gaelic roots. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There is a tempting solution for brexit and that is to form a 3 state, where ireland, northern ireland and scotland form a state which would be the same status quo as they want to remain, what is your view, would it work?
Why not include Cornwall, Brittany, and Galicia as well. All 3 have Celtic Gaelic roots."
Yes and gibraltar could be in as well. |
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