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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No deal (with Johnson locked up in the nick) and possible conflict in Ireland
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Soft BrExit with Thersa May's shit awful deal seeing as Johnson hasn't really attempted negotiations with the eu?
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May's deal is just a lot of words about what both sides would like to happen, with business as usual for 2 years until an actual deal is sorted out. Then there's a backstop that says in case there's no deal, the interim arrangement continues until someone comes up with something everyone can live with regarding the Irish border.
I hate that literally nobody is talking about what comes after May's transition agreement. THAT should be the deal everyone is interested in.
So it's Boris in jail or everyone bickering about the final deal for years and years.
There's no upside any more. No deal will piss off 90% of us, May's deal or cancelling Brexit altogether will piss off millions for generations. |
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election. "
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
And revert to the original backstop, which applies only to Non Iron.
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Yes as the fucking DUP ain't exactly needed anymore lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious "
We should cancel brexit because it's the Worst idea since someone said ‘yeah let’s take this suspiciously large wooden horse into Troy, statues are all the rage this season |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious
We should cancel brexit because it's the Worst idea since someone said ‘yeah let’s take this suspiciously large wooden horse into Troy, statues are all the rage this season"
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious "
Of course the better idea is to continue down this road to nowhere to a destination that is materially worse than where we are today and whilst we are it split the country in half and create a chasm that will last 20-30 years.
Because???
We had an ill advised referendum memorable for its lies, distortions of the truth and exaggeration. That referendum was three and a half years ago and is heading to be known as the moment that the U.K. tore itself apart and changed from the mother of all democracies to a tin-pot country that has elections every two years in order to at least try to take the odd step forwards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
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I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines."
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It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious "
Why not? They have had 3 years to get a deal, they have failed, no deal isn’t an option  |
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
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Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays. |
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
.
Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines."
Shhhh facts are never helpful in a Brexit debate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays."
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EEA membership gives somewhat more control of immigration than we currently have.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was our best option at present for a set five year period until we figure out where to go. |
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays..
EEA membership gives somewhat more control of immigration than we currently have.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was our best option at present for a set five year period until we figure out where to go."
Would it be correct in assuming therefore that you are one who voted Brexit based upon immigration, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw an interesting idea. There is an interesting idea that in order to comply with the new law Boris could send the EU a letter asking them for an extension and another one asking for no delay in the same envelope
In which case he would be complying with the law wouldn't he ?
That would fuck em all up wouldn't it  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Every legal opinion I have read concludes he would be in breach of the law.
The Act requires him to seek an extension and the letter is already written.
If it at the same time he sought to obstruct it, he would be in breach of the Act.
So no different really from not sending any letter at all.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw an interesting idea. There is an interesting idea that in order to comply with the new law Boris could send the EU a letter asking them for an extension and another one asking for no delay in the same envelope
In which case he would be complying with the law wouldn't he ?
That would fuck em all up wouldn't it "
Yeah, especially himself. We are already a laughing stock, let’s hope he doesn’t make it worse . Remember, we still have to negotiate with EU  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays..
EEA membership gives somewhat more control of immigration than we currently have.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was our best option at present for a set five year period until we figure out where to go.
Would it be correct in assuming therefore that you are one who voted Brexit based upon immigration, "
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No I voted remain based on the fact I thought leaving would cause more trouble then remaining.ie I don't like the EU but we are where we are. |
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious "
How about cancelling it because the referendum was only advisory anyway, and it should be crystal clear by now that leaving is almost certainly going to be shit for the economy?
No deal especially would be an absolute disaster. So much so that you have to wonder why the government is so hellbent on being so recklessly determined to pursue it....
Then you read stuff about Boris’ backer who has bet £300m on U.K. firms doing badly after Brexit, or about how Rees-Moog and his cronies will benefit massively by not being subject to new EU tax laws that would prevent them avoiding millions in corporate tax and not be subject to EU health and safety directives.
That anyone still thinks they have the interest of the common man at heart are seriously deluded. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If there's no real potential for this government to negotiate a new deal, they should cancel it, as they have over-ran all timescales now, followed by PM resignation and general election.
Cancel brexit because it’s over-ran timescales?
You can’t be serious
How about cancelling it because the referendum was only advisory anyway, and it should be crystal clear by now that leaving is almost certainly going to be shit for the economy?
No deal especially would be an absolute disaster. So much so that you have to wonder why the government is so hellbent on being so recklessly determined to pursue it....
Then you read stuff about Boris’ backer who has bet £300m on U.K. firms doing badly after Brexit, or about how Rees-Moog and his cronies will benefit massively by not being subject to new EU tax laws that would prevent them avoiding millions in corporate tax and not be subject to EU health and safety directives.
That anyone still thinks they have the interest of the common man at heart are seriously deluded."
Well that and it does make me wonder how in the world anyone could think of an idea that individual is stronger than group? We have worker unions which I've seen people benefited from, I've seen lottery syndicates increasing chances of winning lottery and let's not forget couples having significantly higher chances of getting a meet of their choice compared to single men....women don't count they're unicorns and we know unicorns aren't applicable in Brexit debate
Like seriously most will say USA is most powerful country in the world and if memory serves US stands for United States. So why not be part of EU and trump the Trump and his USA
Plus on a side note any country United or not will be bound to plethora of rules - WTO, trade deals and so on and so forth. It's not like UK is taking back control,it's giving up control as many trade deals will have to be renegotiated and everyone is happy to have a chance to tweak the deal that was not always in their best interest but they took it since it was EU dealing with at time. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid"
A Brexiteer wanting another referendum.
Whatever next. |
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"Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid"
How about a legally binding referendum, now there's an idea |
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"Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid"
Do you think it’s a good idea to have a referendum on an issue that the general population really don’t know enough about, and end up with a choice of:
a. making the U.K. massively worse off economically, or
b. politician going to prison? |
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"Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid
Do you think it’s a good idea to have a referendum on an issue that the general population really don’t know enough about, and end up with a choice of:
a. making the U.K. massively worse off economically, or
b. politician going to prison?"
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It was a referendum of "plebs" that put us in it in the first place! |
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays..
EEA membership gives somewhat more control of immigration than we currently have.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was our best option at present for a set five year period until we figure out where to go.
Would it be correct in assuming therefore that you are one who voted Brexit based upon immigration, .
No I voted remain based on the fact I thought leaving would cause more trouble then remaining.ie I don't like the EU but we are where we are."
Allow me to apologise, however I therefore do not understand its logic ,ie best option
The best option is remain and endure a week or two of civil unrest, that's going to happen remain or leave
Leaving on any basis is simply idiotic and that's if in real life logistically it's even possible to achieve within a coherent framework
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The public will never know enough about Brexit as the people on each side of the divide will always lie. Will always manipulate facts. And will always represent their own agendas. And how has the Brexit debate spread to here? Its turned into facebook!! I remember when facebook annoyed me because people spend their time muttering shit about their day that no one actually needed or wanted to know about. Brexit is like a virus. Its spreading like the clap in a Bombay Whorehouse. Cant people just bury their head in the sand and pretend it isnt happening?? Dont bother responding to this as I have my fingers in my ears now "Lalalalalala" |
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"What is shit about May's ideas?
Wrong flavour of Brexit and the sprinkles are missing.A few want a flake stuck in it also.. "
They want a vegan Brexit no eggs , regardless of how those eggs are molecularlly bonded
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It needs to be May's withdrawl agreement or scrap the whole idea of Brexit.
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Mays agreement is the worse deal since the guy who bought London bridge thinking it was tower bridge.
Scrapping democracy isn't a great idea whatever your current thinking is, your just heading down the road of unintended consequences yet again.
The only solution now is opting for the Norway model for a set period of say five years wherein in that time period a proper assessment and referenda will be conducted to how's we go forward.
I see where you are coming from but a norway deal isn't that different from mays deal with the back stop in place. Hard brexiteers would not have it. Under a norway deal we still pay almost the same money into the eu and have to follow most of the eu rules with no say on them. Also there is free movement which is one of their red lines..
It's the middle road, we leave, we have some control of immigration returned, we have some control of regulations, we don't pay as much and it's the easiest one to unpack and get going straight off the bat.
And it comes with a set period negotiated with the EU (there actually well open to this idea) wherein we can then leave leave or remain as was.
Norway has less control of the movement of people than the uk now as it is part of schengen. Of course uk could currently remove any citizen that hasn't got a job after 3 months. It doesn't because it would cost a fortune to record and monitor every eu citizen that came in and out of the country the country. The amount each norwegian pays is only just short of what each uk citizen pays..
EEA membership gives somewhat more control of immigration than we currently have.
I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was our best option at present for a set five year period until we figure out where to go.
Would it be correct in assuming therefore that you are one who voted Brexit based upon immigration, .
No I voted remain based on the fact I thought leaving would cause more trouble then remaining.ie I don't like the EU but we are where we are.
Allow me to apologise, however I therefore do not understand its logic ,ie best option
The best option is remain and endure a week or two of civil unrest, that's going to happen remain or leave
Leaving on any basis is simply idiotic and that's if in real life logistically it's even possible to achieve within a coherent framework
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A week or two of civil unrest you say?.
Which fortnight, I'll remember to book my flights out of here but good luck with your pitchforks  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Maybe a referendum that polititions must exept or go to prison,three months later a general election.
You cannot have an election over one issue,this would give all sides a chance to pull themselves together.
Of course this far to clever idea for it to happen,as polititions are to stupid
A Brexiteer wanting another referendum.
Whatever next. "
I do not want it but feel it could be the only way to end the divisions,I believe it is wrong to have one morally and democratically but we cannot carry on like this can we. |
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