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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
By when, presumably, the Benn bill prohibiting an EU exit without agreement has Royal Assent.
Will Labour stick or twist?
Some Labour MPs want to keep Johnson stewing for a few more weeks to:
a) send him to the EU council to negotiate the withdrawal agreement he's always claimed he wanted
b) let the Brexit Party revive and gobble up the Conservative vote
c) wait until the Oct 19 deadline in the Benn Bill when, if there is no agreement, an extension must be sought.
Or do they opt for October 15, knowing that a pro-Brexit win could see the Benn Bill repealed before the EU council even meets?
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I'd not be sticking to a plan imposed by Johnson, due to his inabilities to be effective at the job, telling lies or until there is absolute certainty of extension or cancellation of departure. He cannot be trusted with anything. The public has not grasped this yet |
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over a year ago
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What's the point in more voting?. They won't implement what we already voted for.
They won't give us a second referendum because there scared shitless we'll vote out again and they won't give us a general election because there scared shitless we'll vote somebody in who will.
We're not heading for dictatorship and Boris ain't the dictator because clearly we've been in it for fucking years if not decades already.
The world didn't run on reality it ran on our perception of reality and frankly nobody on either side of this debacle is now blind to this shitshow called governance. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
you make johnson squirm.....
defeat the early election chance... make him squirm so he has to go back to the EU... do the election for nov 7th/21st and make him feel the wreath of both pro EU tories and farage brexit party...
i am sure labour will vote against... it really depends on what the snp do....
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"you make johnson squirm.....
defeat the early election chance... make him squirm so he has to go back to the EU... do the election for nov 7th/21st and make him feel the wreath of both pro EU tories and farage brexit party...
i am sure labour will vote against... it really depends on what the snp do....
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Yes, he kept saying he wants to get an agreement.
It used to be 1-100,000,000 on.
Parliament is just saying: "Keep your promise, go speak to Brussels and bring back something good."
Why should anyone complain?
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"Parliament is just saying: "Keep your promise, go speak to Brussels and bring back something good.""
That was their first mistake, never ask Boris to keep a promise. Just ask the EU, trying to get a promise to sort the border out. He would rather start a conflict than give a promise. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"you make johnson squirm.....
defeat the early election chance... make him squirm so he has to go back to the EU... do the election for nov 7th/21st and make him feel the wreath of both pro EU tories and farage brexit party...
i am sure labour will vote against... it really depends on what the snp do....
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He's gonna get roasted from both ends!
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Make him go to Brussels and ask for an extension and then remind him of his do or die talk and preferring to be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension!!
Show him up as the lying hypocrite that he is!! |
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over a year ago
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"Make him go to Brussels and ask for an extension and then remind him of his do or die talk and preferring to be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension!!
Show him up as the lying hypocrite that he is!!"
He has to watch what he says because there is such a smart saying: be careful what you wish because it may come true. |
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He's Parliament's bitch and it should frustrate and humiliate him in every way it can until, after a massive dose of his own medicine and being told "No", he implodes and quits.
We won't find him dead in a ditch, though. He's a fucking liar who never means anything he says. |
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"you make johnson squirm.....
defeat the early election chance... make him squirm so he has to go back to the EU... do the election for nov 7th/21st and make him feel the wreath of both pro EU tories and farage brexit party...
i am sure labour will vote against... it really depends on what the snp do....
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Who gives a shit, you carry on voting like there going to do what you want, there not, this has been proved for the years, all Johnson is doing is trying to implement a democratic vote to gain votes! And for that he's slagged off.
Next time anybody or any party gets democratically elected we all know all we have to do is waffle bollocks for three years about everybody who voted for them being stupid/bigots/manipulated/how it will ruin the country and then overturn that decision.
Surely that's the lesson we've all learnt?.
In fact if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected just threaten to bomb people and shoot his fans, that way we'll need a backstop against his governance,I mean we can't possibly elect a leftist leader because there's a section of society that will turn to terrorist violence!.
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I don't understand Corbyns argument against an election.
He says he'll agree to one once his surrender vite goes through, but it's just dithering.
Here's why.
If we have an election mid October and Corbyn somehow manages to win, then he will be able to delay brexit or cancel it or whatever he wants to do that week.
Whereas if we have a mid October election wuth this new law in place and Boris is returned to Downing street with a sizeable majority, he'll be able to repeal this new law.
Corbyn has been calling for a General election every week since he lost the last one. He actually still believes he could win it too, but now he's chickenning out because presumeably someone has shown him how badly Labour have been polling.
I do, of course, understand why he might want to agree to a November election though as he somehow thinks that he'd clean up at the ballot box if Boris has been forced to ask for an extension from Brussells.
Personally, I think he's mistaken as I don't believe the electorate are that stupid and that we'll all see his durty tricjs fir what they are |
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"I don't understand Corbyns argument against an election.
He says he'll agree to one once his surrender vite goes through, but it's just dithering.
Here's why.
If we have an election mid October and Corbyn somehow manages to win, then he will be able to delay brexit or cancel it or whatever he wants to do that week.
Whereas if we have a mid October election wuth this new law in place and Boris is returned to Downing street with a sizeable majority, he'll be able to repeal this new law.
Corbyn has been calling for a General election every week since he lost the last one. He actually still believes he could win it too, but now he's chickenning out because presumeably someone has shown him how badly Labour have been polling.
I do, of course, understand why he might want to agree to a November election though as he somehow thinks that he'd clean up at the ballot box if Boris has been forced to ask for an extension from Brussells.
Personally, I think he's mistaken as I don't believe the electorate are that stupid and that we'll all see his durty tricjs fir what they are"
You misunderstand how Parliament works. If the opposition allow dePfeffel his GE before the 'no deal' act gains Royal Accent the bill dies and dePfeffel can set any date he likes for the GE so all he has to do is set a date after the 31st Oct and we are out with no deal by default. Also dePfeffel has said that regardless of the law he will not ask for an extension therefore Parliament can't take the chance that he will keep his word and therefore can't safely give him his GE until after the October EU leaders summit. So unless things change dramatically we are stuck in this limbo until Oct 14th or 15th. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No GE :
In the words of the Former England Manager Graham Taylor
Specifically to the STORY party.
" You got us into this mess , now you get us out of it,
now F*ck off out on the pitch".
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I don't understand Corbyns argument against an election.
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He is not against an election.
He just doesn't want Johnson controlling its timing.
Parliament now will decide when he can call an election.
And it looks like that will be only once the risk of UDI on October 31 has been eliminated.
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"What's the point in more voting?. They won't implement what we already voted for.
They won't give us a second referendum because there scared shitless we'll vote out again and they won't give us a general election because there scared shitless we'll vote somebody in who will.
We're not heading for dictatorship and Boris ain't the dictator because clearly we've been in it for fucking years if not decades already.
The world didn't run on reality it ran on our perception of reality and frankly nobody on either side of this debacle is now blind to this shitshow called governance."
Ian Blackwood on QT last night;
"Boris Johnson is a dictator, and we have taken control"
Kwasi Kwarteng responding;
"He's a dictator, and yet you are in control?" |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Labour and the SNP both say they will not support Johnson in Monday's vote.
So he's gonna be stuck in Downing Street for the next few weeks until the oct 19 EU Council.
He'll have plenty time to clinch that "great deal" he kept talking about.
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"Labour and the SNP both say they will not support Johnson in Monday's vote.
So he's gonna be stuck in Downing Street for the next few weeks until the oct 19 EU Council.
He'll have plenty time to clinch that "great deal" he kept talking about.is that like the great deal Emily thornberry said she would get if labour get in power then come back and vote against her own deal lol it was the worst performance in question time iv ever seen labour kill themselves every time she appears on the show
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"In fact if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected just threaten to bomb people and shoot his fans, that way we'll need a backstop against his governance,I mean we can't possibly elect a leftist leader because there's a section of society that will turn to terrorist violence!."
The UK will call it terrorist violence, but the EU, Ireland and the USA will call it a civil war with people fighting for democracy and freedom.
The concept might be strange to English people, but there are people on the planet who will fight with their lives for things like freedom if its taken from them.
This is why guns are legal in the USA, so if the US goverment tries to treat Texas like the UK is going to treat northern Ireland, then texas has the means to stop it happening with violence.
This is the underpinning of the greatest democracies on the planet, and its the ultimate balance and check on democracy and the thing that forces Trump not to go too far.
The distinction on who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter can be amazingly thin. If English people have their freedoms stripped, or if scottish people do, then they should absolutley consider a civil war. |
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"Labour and the SNP both say they will not support Johnson in Monday's vote.
So he's gonna be stuck in Downing Street for the next few weeks until the oct 19 EU Council.
He'll have plenty time to clinch that "great deal" he kept talking about.
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I wonder if now he’s hastily putting together a negotiating team .Seeing as there seems no chance of an election in October and the other option is to find himself dead in a ditch on Halloween.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In fact if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected just threaten to bomb people and shoot his fans, that way we'll need a backstop against his governance,I mean we can't possibly elect a leftist leader because there's a section of society that will turn to terrorist violence!.
The UK will call it terrorist violence, but the EU, Ireland and the USA will call it a civil war with people fighting for democracy and freedom.
The concept might be strange to English people, but there are people on the planet who will fight with their lives for things like freedom if its taken from them.
This is why guns are legal in the USA, so if the US goverment tries to treat Texas like the UK is going to treat northern Ireland, then texas has the means to stop it happening with violence.
This is the underpinning of the greatest democracies on the planet, and its the ultimate balance and check on democracy and the thing that forces Trump not to go too far.
The distinction on who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter can be amazingly thin. If English people have their freedoms stripped, or if scottish people do, then they should absolutley consider a civil war."
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What even the brexit voters?.
You heard it here first folks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If he has any sense he will resign and give the Brexit turd on a golden Platter as big as a dustbin lid to the anointed one JC. he can then immerse himself in it's rich aroma, get d*unk on it's powerful stench and then realise it is just a turd all to late. He will probably be the last victim of it squishing in his hand. |
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over a year ago
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"What's the point in more voting?. They won't implement what we already voted for.
They won't give us a second referendum because there scared shitless we'll vote out again and they won't give us a general election because there scared shitless we'll vote somebody in who will.
We're not heading for dictatorship and Boris ain't the dictator because clearly we've been in it for fucking years if not decades already.
The world didn't run on reality it ran on our perception of reality and frankly nobody on either side of this debacle is now blind to this shitshow called governance."
Well put. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What's the point in more voting?. They won't implement what we already voted for.
They won't give us a second referendum because there scared shitless we'll vote out again and they won't give us a general election because there scared shitless we'll vote somebody in who will.
We're not heading for dictatorship and Boris ain't the dictator because clearly we've been in it for fucking years if not decades already.
The world didn't run on reality it ran on our perception of reality and frankly nobody on either side of this debacle is now blind to this shitshow called governance.
Ian Blackwood on QT last night;
"Boris Johnson is a dictator, and we have taken control"
Kwasi Kwarteng responding;
"He's a dictator, and yet you are in control?""
QT was great this week, how strange the most dignified person on the panel was a conservative. Openly stating his respect for the SNP for sticking to their beliefs was admirable as well as being a brilliant put down to labour under Corbyn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Corbyn won't win outright and will rely on Plaid Cymru, SNP, Greens, the ones who skipped both parties and are basically independents, and god forbid the Lib Dems (whoring themselves to the party that gives them a seat or two at the table), to prop him up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't understand Corbyns argument against an election.
He is not against an election.
He just doesn't want Johnson controlling its timing.
Parliament now will decide when he can call an election.
And it looks like that will be only once the risk of UDI on October 31 has been eliminated.
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He is against an election because it is labour who could be wiped out due to their lack of direction. SNP will take their remain voters. Brexit Party and, to a lesser degree, Conservative Party will take their leave voters. Emily Thornbury has seen to that, still laughing at her from QT ' I will negotiate a great deal, put it to the people, then vote against it'- comedy gold |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he has any sense he will resign and give the Brexit turd on a golden Platter as big as a dustbin lid to the anointed one JC. he can then immerse himself in it's rich aroma, get d*unk on it's powerful stench and then realise it is just a turd all to late. He will probably be the last victim of it squishing in his hand."
Boris is the man who is most responsible for the turd. He should stay and clean up the shit stain it has caused |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
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over a year ago
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You will find I make no mention of die hard labour suporters, and even point out Brexit Party will take more labour votes than Conservative. The main beneficiary will be Lib Dems ( I did previously put SNP in error, lack of sleep) removing any hope of labour winning a GE. It will be another hung parliament. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't understand Corbyns argument against an election.
He is not against an election.
He just doesn't want Johnson controlling its timing.
Parliament now will decide when he can call an election.
And it looks like that will be only once the risk of UDI on October 31 has been eliminated.
He is against an election because it is labour who could be wiped out due to their lack of direction. SNP will take their remain voters. Brexit Party and, to a lesser degree, Conservative Party will take their leave voters. Emily Thornbury has seen to that, still laughing at her from QT ' I will negotiate a great deal, put it to the people, then vote against it'- comedy gold "
Correction- Lib Dems will take labour remain votes. |
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Let's just gas the Houses of Parliament and ask the fucking Smurfs to run the country, no difference . They're all a bunch of self serving egotistical muppets with no comprehension of real life . Fuck em all . |
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"Let's just gas the Houses of Parliament and ask the fucking Smurfs to run the country, no difference . They're all a bunch of self serving egotistical muppets with no comprehension of real life . Fuck em all ."
I think your being a little hard on Smurf’s. |
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"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
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aw labour will lose lots of votes to the tories ppl up here just want out the eu now and fast they know it won’t happen under Corbyn specially after Emily thornberry showing on question time that was a nail in there coffin |
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"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
aw labour will lose lots of votes to the tories ppl up here just want out the eu now and fast they know it won’t happen under Corbyn specially after Emily thornberry showing on question time that was a nail in there coffin "
Down south the conservative will be wiped off the map by Lib Dems .Maybe it's better the north leaves and the south remains.I am geographically closer to France than Newcastle., |
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"Let's just gas the Houses of Parliament and ask the fucking Smurfs to run the country, no difference . They're all a bunch of self serving egotistical muppets with no comprehension of real life . Fuck em all .
I think your being a little hard on Smurf’s."
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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago
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"You will find I make no mention of die hard labour suporters, and even point out Brexit Party will take more labour votes than Conservative. The main beneficiary will be Lib Dems ( I did previously put SNP in error, lack of sleep) removing any hope of labour winning a GE. It will be another hung parliament."
So thereby ending back where we started, still kicking the can down the road until the remainders get their way.Mean while the country goes to the dogs. Way to go parliament.  |
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over a year ago
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"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits |
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"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
aw labour will lose lots of votes to the tories ppl up here just want out the eu now and fast they know it won’t happen under Corbyn specially after Emily thornberry showing on question time that was a nail in there coffin
Down south the conservative will be wiped off the map by Lib Dems .Maybe it's better the north leaves and the south remains.I am geographically closer to France than Newcastle., "
most in the north would vote for that mate I would if only eh lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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MP's have been given a vote on a early General Election and they've said no so they shouldn't be allowed another vote and wait for the next General Election is actually due. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
since johnson said again last night that he would rather break the law then go to the EU for the possible extension.... there is zero chance he is now getting his early election because there is no way you could trust him not to change the date so that it stradles oct 31st...
what you are now going to probably find is that they are going to make him have to go the EU summit on october 17th/18th....
if he doesn't there is enough time to go to the supreme court and make him abide with the law
so if they make him wait till then, then the earliest you could have the election with the 5 week campaign period is going to be last week nov or 1st week december... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
aw labour will lose lots of votes to the tories ppl up here just want out the eu now and fast they know it won’t happen under Corbyn specially after Emily thornberry showing on question time that was a nail in there coffin
Down south the conservative will be wiped off the map by Lib Dems .Maybe it's better the north leaves and the south remains.I am geographically closer to France than Newcastle., "
Funny.
“The North” is a big beneficiary from both the United Kingdom and the European Union. That expression of getting out more than is paid in, is very apt in the north of England.
Just imagine the northern taxpayers having to actually pay around 15% more in tax just to stay where they were in an independent north, free of the shackles of the soft southern Jessie’s and rid of the dragging EU anchor, |
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"The idea that a diehard Labour voter in a northern constituency is going to switch to the Conservative Party is for the birds.
The Brexit Party maybe. But the Conservative Party? No way.
Labour has calculated it will win more seats in constituencies where the Brexit Party and Conservative Party split the Brexit vote, than it loses in Labour seats where the Brexit Party eats up their majority.
That's why Labour wants to get to a position where the Conservative Party has to go to the polls after another spectacular failure to deliver Brexit.
aw labour will lose lots of votes to the tories ppl up here just want out the eu now and fast they know it won’t happen under Corbyn specially after Emily thornberry showing on question time that was a nail in there coffin
Down south the conservative will be wiped off the map by Lib Dems .Maybe it's better the north leaves and the south remains.I am geographically closer to France than Newcastle.,
Funny.
“The North” is a big beneficiary from both the United Kingdom and the European Union. That expression of getting out more than is paid in, is very apt in the north of England.
Just imagine the northern taxpayers having to actually pay around 15% more in tax just to stay where they were in an independent north, free of the shackles of the soft southern Jessie’s and rid of the dragging EU anchor,"
the south could offer us a bribe say spend as much in the north as the south then maybe I’d think about it lol |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits"
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
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I think it is completely insane to have an election that is inevitably going to revolve around a single issue - Brexit.
Elections should be about 5 year terms of office and a multitude of domestic and international issues to be progressed. Two Conservative Governments have been unable to get consensus in Parliament. Both main parties have been unable to get consensus within their own Party’s. Another election is not going to change this situation.
Brexit needs putting aside to a Royal Commission or to a cross party coalition of Brexit guardians and have it removed completely from the election manifesto’s. Better still let the people now decide what kind of Brexit they want and again - make the referendum/people’s vote or whatever it will be called ring-fenced from day to day politics.
One thing seems very, very clear to me after this last 3 years or so is that this should not. E a Party issue. It needs removing from Party manifesto’s and be dealt with separately and autonomously. |
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
I think it is completely insane to have an election that is inevitably going to revolve around a single issue - Brexit.
Elections should be about 5 year terms of office and a multitude of domestic and international issues to be progressed. Two Conservative Governments have been unable to get consensus in Parliament. Both main parties have been unable to get consensus within their own Party’s. Another election is not going to change this situation.
Brexit needs putting aside to a Royal Commission or to a cross party coalition of Brexit guardians and have it removed completely from the election manifesto’s. Better still let the people now decide what kind of Brexit they want and again - make the referendum/people’s vote or whatever it will be called ring-fenced from day to day politics.
One thing seems very, very clear to me after this last 3 years or so is that this should not. E a Party issue. It needs removing from Party manifesto’s and be dealt with separately and autonomously. "
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You would say that because your in favour of remain like most MPs.
Give the people the choice to vote remainers in or brexiters in.
Job solved. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
I think it is completely insane to have an election that is inevitably going to revolve around a single issue - Brexit.
Elections should be about 5 year terms of office and a multitude of domestic and international issues to be progressed. Two Conservative Governments have been unable to get consensus in Parliament. Both main parties have been unable to get consensus within their own Party’s. Another election is not going to change this situation.
Brexit needs putting aside to a Royal Commission or to a cross party coalition of Brexit guardians and have it removed completely from the election manifesto’s. Better still let the people now decide what kind of Brexit they want and again - make the referendum/people’s vote or whatever it will be called ring-fenced from day to day politics.
One thing seems very, very clear to me after this last 3 years or so is that this should not. E a Party issue. It needs removing from Party manifesto’s and be dealt with separately and autonomously. .
You would say that because your in favour of remain like most MPs.
Give the people the choice to vote remainers in or brexiters in.
Job solved."
Yes - that would be possible as long a you are happy to perpetuate the stupid divisions in society where people have to be labelled according to their stance on Brexit. How will that help bring the country together?
Dealing with the underlying problem with consensus is the only way to protect the country from further pointless damage. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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dont think anything gona bring the country together look at scotland your for independence or your not and that vote ws even further back.peeps have backed there side and are sticking to it.but hey everyone keeps saying we need a new kind of politics so perhaps all main partys need to be taken apart before you can fix anything.christ mabey even i would find a party i could actually vote for.i need one that is a mix of all so thats not gona happen all to tribal for my taste |
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
I think it is completely insane to have an election that is inevitably going to revolve around a single issue - Brexit.
Elections should be about 5 year terms of office and a multitude of domestic and international issues to be progressed. Two Conservative Governments have been unable to get consensus in Parliament. Both main parties have been unable to get consensus within their own Party’s. Another election is not going to change this situation.
Brexit needs putting aside to a Royal Commission or to a cross party coalition of Brexit guardians and have it removed completely from the election manifesto’s. Better still let the people now decide what kind of Brexit they want and again - make the referendum/people’s vote or whatever it will be called ring-fenced from day to day politics.
One thing seems very, very clear to me after this last 3 years or so is that this should not. E a Party issue. It needs removing from Party manifesto’s and be dealt with separately and autonomously. .
You would say that because your in favour of remain like most MPs.
Give the people the choice to vote remainers in or brexiters in.
Job solved."
No.
To clear up the willingness of no deal vs no Brexit needs a referendum then once the people have decided that issue the yes a general election to sort out the next 5 years of day to day governance. |
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Labour in power? Hell in a handbasket awaits
I have no idea.
Brexit totally jumbles up the tradition left/right bias of voters.
It happened in Scotland, where voting patterns re-aligned along Yes/No lines.
How much will voting in the UK re-align along Leave/Stay/Couldn't Care lines?
I have no idea.
But I get the impression Labour wants to fight an election on domestic policies, which would rule out a poll in October when it would all be about October 31.
I think it is completely insane to have an election that is inevitably going to revolve around a single issue - Brexit.
Elections should be about 5 year terms of office and a multitude of domestic and international issues to be progressed. Two Conservative Governments have been unable to get consensus in Parliament. Both main parties have been unable to get consensus within their own Party’s. Another election is not going to change this situation.
Brexit needs putting aside to a Royal Commission or to a cross party coalition of Brexit guardians and have it removed completely from the election manifesto’s. Better still let the people now decide what kind of Brexit they want and again - make the referendum/people’s vote or whatever it will be called ring-fenced from day to day politics.
One thing seems very, very clear to me after this last 3 years or so is that this should not. E a Party issue. It needs removing from Party manifesto’s and be dealt with separately and autonomously. .
You would say that because your in favour of remain like most MPs.
Give the people the choice to vote remainers in or brexiters in.
Job solved.
No.
To clear up the willingness of no deal vs no Brexit needs a referendum then once the people have decided that issue the yes a general election to sort out the next 5 years of day to day governance. "
Spot on. A GE won’t solve Brexit. |
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, I think we might be missing a trick here.