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"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." Jesus man, lay off the kool-aid will you! Bonkers!! | |||
"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this."  | |||
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"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." You have a very weird set of European friends who worry about language differences. Most Europeans have been laughing at us since the referendum results came in. | |||
"Never mind opinions, look at the surveys. Satisfaction ratings with the EU are 60% and beyond. This anti-EU disease the Brexiteers hope will infect the rest of Europe has been contained at Dover. And after seeing how destabilised the UK has become by it all, I doubt anyone is in a rush to head down the same rabbit hole as the British. " I agree, if we had got a decent deal then maybe others would have been tempted to leave. If and when we crash out with a no deal no other EU country will be stupid enough to leave . By leaving we have strengthened the EU not weakened it | |||
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"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached?" Time will tell then  | |||
"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached?" so you live in spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all?  | |||
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"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." Different languages? English is widely spoken and understood regardless of whether or not in the EU. Culture, that has never changed, Britain has always been a melting pot of different cultures historically, which have been incorporated and served to better the nation, from the germans, the french, the dutch, and many other nations. I know it all gets confusing with so many people say we have nothing in common with our european counterparts. But our histories, good or bad have been intertwined for hundreds of years. On a basic level, we all eat, sleep, drink, and other things which are the same, we bleed red, the majority our bodies are the same configuration, two arms, two legs, a head, a torso, a bottom. A pair of eyes, a mouth, a nose, a pair of ears We have the same emotions, we laugh, we cry, we are happy, we are sad. We all live, we all die. Differences are only skin deep. Just got to keep reminding ourselves all the time. | |||
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"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." Agree 100% was one of my reasons for voting out.On holiday in Greece this year was talking to some Germans who admired us for wanting out and eould be the beginning of the end of the EU | |||
"So that's the great Brexiteers hope is it that us leaving the EU will bring the EU crashing down. How Positive a thing is that eh. Wont that make us popular throughout Europe. The catalyst for all of Europe to go their own separate ways and disappear into their own personal pit of populism and nationalism. mmmmmmm can't wait for this brave new world." Rubbish nobody wants to bring the EU down,personally would prefer it to not to collapse as it would make Europe unstable but we are better off out of it | |||
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"Please advise where in my post did I say I voted to leave or stay. Also should point out you can live pretty much anywhere in Europe post Brexit. Just apply like you would to Australia or Canada for example. " I have no right to live and work in Australia or Canada, just like I (and perhaps you) soon will have no right to live and work in Spain. Brexit removes that right from the people and hands the power to the states. It is a fundamental change. | |||
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"Ireland just increased its HSE (their version of nhs) budget by 2 billion. Considering that Ireland is a country of 5 million people, that makes Boris pledge of 1.8 billion to the nhs look like a paltry offering. So who exactly is collapsing?" UK spending on the NHS will increase by £6.2 billion next year, with an additional £2 billion for capital projects. Ireland's €2 billion increase is over 3 years. A lot of Ireland's healthcare is not free, so comparing the two systems is like comparing apples to oranges. | |||
"Ireland just increased its HSE (their version of nhs) budget by 2 billion. Considering that Ireland is a country of 5 million people, that makes Boris pledge of 1.8 billion to the nhs look like a paltry offering. So who exactly is collapsing? UK spending on the NHS will increase by £6.2 billion next year, with an additional £2 billion for capital projects. Ireland's €2 billion increase is over 3 years. A lot of Ireland's healthcare is not free, so comparing the two systems is like comparing apples to oranges. " Both countries announced out of budget increases. Ireland will also have HSE budget increases at budget time. It's apples to apples. What the UK or Ireland might do next year in their budgets is oranges to oranges. | |||
"Please advise where in my post did I say I voted to leave or stay. Also should point out you can live pretty much anywhere in Europe post Brexit. Just apply like you would to Australia or Canada for example. I have no right to live and work in Australia or Canada, just like I (and perhaps you) soon will have no right to live and work in Spain. Brexit removes that right from the people and hands the power to the states. It is a fundamental change. " I have full residency in Spain so will continue to live and run my business legally. Post Brexit anyone can apply for citizenship just as before we joined the EEC in 1975. | |||
"Ireland just increased its HSE (their version of nhs) budget by 2 billion. Considering that Ireland is a country of 5 million people, that makes Boris pledge of 1.8 billion to the nhs look like a paltry offering. So who exactly is collapsing?" Irrevilent | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu "When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage. This is no different. Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism. | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
"I don't agree. Yes there will be economic damage all round by a no deal but it's the UK's sovereign right to choose how and when we leave. | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
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"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
"That the people voted for | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
That the people voted for"Can you show me where anyone in the Leave campaign said this is what a vote for Leave would mean. You'll find that anyone who suggested such an outcome was dismissed as being completely bonkers. | |||
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"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? | |||
"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached? so you live in Spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all? "Try reading a few books, you'll find people travelled & lived in all parts of the world before the EU, In fact they've been doing it for centuries. Free movement made it "easier" not "possible". Sometimes things should be harder just to stop every bugger doing it. 
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"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this. If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? " Because I speak German and Spanish! And I'm pretty sure you thought I'd fall into that trap. | |||
"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached? so you live in Spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all?
Try reading a few books, you'll find people travelled & lived in all parts of the world before the EU, In fact they've been doing it for centuries. Free movement made it "easier" not "possible".
Sometimes things should be harder just to stop every bugger doing it.
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"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this. If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? Because I speak German and Spanish! And I'm pretty sure you thought I'd fall into that trap. " Using your linguistic skills to cooperate with other European people to come to the conclusion that language is a barrier to cooperation. I think you've snookered yourself there mate. Ha. | |||
"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." Been saying that amongst friends for years even before we voted to leave. The cracks were being ignored. 10 years is what I give it. The EU were never going to let anyone out of prison, look at Greece's attempt, blackm*iled and brown enveloped to remain and especially not a big payer I mean player like the UK .
It can't afford it as it is. France and Italy have been talking about leaving longer than we.
The sad thing is how the government has shown disregard for democracy whether you're a exiter or remainder for their own interests. A precedent has been set in many minds they if they don't like the results then ignore and try again. Sturgeon has been doing this for the past few years too.
Back to the question...yes it'll collapse sooner than most think. It may only take one big players economy to crash. | |||
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"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this. If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? Because I speak German and Spanish! And I'm pretty sure you thought I'd fall into that trap. Using your linguistic skills to cooperate with other European people to come to the conclusion that language is a barrier to cooperation. I think you've snookered yourself there mate. Ha. " Quite the reverse I think I'm English by birth but took the time to learn 2 languages, how many Brits do that? | |||
"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this. If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? Because I speak German and Spanish! And I'm pretty sure you thought I'd fall into that trap. Using your linguistic skills to cooperate with other European people to come to the conclusion that language is a barrier to cooperation. I think you've snookered yourself there mate. Ha. Quite the reverse I think I'm English by birth but took the time to learn 2 languages, how many Brits do that? " Is language a barrier between your friends ..Answer No Is language a barrier between EU states ..Answer No So you first assertion that there are so many languages it’s unlikely the E.U. would work is wrong as you’ve pointed out yourself.. | |||
"Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this. If language is such a barrier to co-operation, how do you know what your friends are saying? Because I speak German and Spanish! And I'm pretty sure you thought I'd fall into that trap. Using your linguistic skills to cooperate with other European people to come to the conclusion that language is a barrier to cooperation. I think you've snookered yourself there mate. Ha. Quite the reverse I think I'm English by birth but took the time to learn 2 languages, how many Brits do that? " So you're suggesting that Brits who don't learn foreign languages are causing the lack of EU cooperation? If that were true (it's not). Then the UK leaving the EU would help, rather then hinder. | |||
"Interested to hear opinions on this." Your opinion is unlikely to be valid, since you and your friends are a very small, unrepresentative sample of Europeans. | |||
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"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
"What tosh. It is an act of regaining independence from a corrupt union and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
What tosh. It is an act of regaining independence from a corrupt union and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights"Do you genuinely believe this? In which case the big loser here is the British education system. | |||
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"Turkeys don't vote for xmas" . Turkey don't get a vote ,, ,, they are not in the EU | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
What tosh. It is an act of regaining independence from a corrupt union and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights"And anyway i think you are on about european court of human rights which was set up mainly by the uk after the war. Which nothing to do with the EU and we will be still under its control even if we leave the EU. | |||
" . . . and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights" The UK is NOT leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, nor the court that upholds these rights. I think the Conservative Party has toyed with that idea, but never pursued it. It would send a terrible signal to the rest of the world. | |||
"A Kantar poll , reported in April showed support for remaining in the EU in member states as Italy 72% ,,, Ireland 91% ,,, Portugal 92% ,,, Czech Rep 66% ,,, Holland 91% ,,, Luxembourg 94% ,,, Every member state apart from the UK at 55% and Czech Rep 66% ,, was over 70% ,,, so , despite the predictions it doesn't appear that all the other countries are desperate to leave , it looks as though the domino effect may just be one double blank tumbling on its own " Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population | |||
"A Kantar poll , reported in April showed support for remaining in the EU in member states as Italy 72% ,,, Ireland 91% ,,, Portugal 92% ,,, Czech Rep 66% ,,, Holland 91% ,,, Luxembourg 94% ,,, Every member state apart from the UK at 55% and Czech Rep 66% ,, was over 70% ,,, so , despite the predictions it doesn't appear that all the other countries are desperate to leave , it looks as though the domino effect may just be one double blank tumbling on its own Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population" . Totally agree with you ,, but I was just showing the results of a opinion poll to compare with previous messages on here which suggested the EU would collapse because one or two of their mates think so | |||
"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this." Like a lot of things we won't appreciate it until it's gone, perhaps your friends should remember how the union came about in the first place. | |||
" Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population" When it's a choice between the opinion of tens of thousands or the opinions of one, I know which is more indicative of the truth. | |||
"The hysteria about Brexit is unnecessary imo. Most German French and Spanish people I talk with all feel the EU has had its time and is unworkable. So it's possible the whole thing will collapse. Most of my European friends think because there are so many languages and culture differences it was never likely to last long. Interested to hear opinions on this.Agree 100% was one of my reasons for voting out.On holiday in Greece this year was talking to some Germans who admired us for wanting out and eould be the beginning of the end of the EU" I understand that it was the vast majority of German society. This is very strange because I talked to several Germans and they said they were surprised by the result of the referendum because the UK is in the EU on special conditions. | |||
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"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
What tosh. It is an act of regaining independence from a corrupt union and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights
Do you genuinely believe this?
In which case the big loser here is the British education system." | |||
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" Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population When it's a choice between the opinion of tens of thousands or the opinions of one, I know which is more indicative of the truth. "Opinion polls by and large tend to be no more than 2,000 not tens of thousands. The truth is love it or hate it a binding referendum said leave and leave we must or democracy has gone | |||
" Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population When it's a choice between the opinion of tens of thousands or the opinions of one, I know which is more indicative of the truth.
Opinion polls by and large tend to be no more than 2,000 not tens of thousands. The truth is love it or hate it a binding referendum said leave and leave we must or democracy has gone"*Advisory referendum. | |||
" . . . and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights The UK is NOT leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, nor the court that upholds these rights. I think the Conservative Party has toyed with that idea, but never pursued it. It would send a terrible signal to the rest of the world. " Time to leave the court as well. Then we can deal with murderers, drug pushers and the like properly | |||
" . . . and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights The UK is NOT leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, nor the court that upholds these rights. I think the Conservative Party has toyed with that idea, but never pursued it. It would send a terrible signal to the rest of the world. Time to leave the court as well. Then we can deal with murderers, drug pushers and the like properly" I don't think bring in Judge Dredd is the answer. | |||
" . . . and of not being tied to a judicial system that confers rights on criminals who give no fig for anyone elses rights The UK is NOT leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, nor the court that upholds these rights. I think the Conservative Party has toyed with that idea, but never pursued it. It would send a terrible signal to the rest of the world. Time to leave the court as well. Then we can deal with murderers, drug pushers and the like properly I don't think bring in Judge Dredd is the answer. " I feel like some people would be happier moving to Saudi Arabia or North Korea. The longing for extreme punishments is so weird. | |||
" Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population When it's a choice between the opinion of tens of thousands or the opinions of one, I know which is more indicative of the truth.
Opinion polls by and large tend to be no more than 2,000 not tens of thousands. The truth is love it or hate it a binding referendum said leave and leave we must or democracy has gone"It was an adcisory referendum. - think of it as information. The official campaign was for leave to be only under certain circumstances ie. To only leave with a deal. No other form of leaving was included and one type of leaving - without any deal, was explicitly excluded as an option that was being voted for. People were told that the referendum did NOT include voting for a no deal departure. There is no democratic agreement for leaving without a deal. Go back to 2016 and review referendum materials. It's still the case that the sovereignty of parliament holds, to ensure that those elected representatives of the people must represent our best interests. You'd expect that. Parliament must represent us based on the position in 2019, where much more is now known and it's very different to 2016. | |||
" Opinion polls mean nothing. They are a small sample of the population When it's a choice between the opinion of tens of thousands or the opinions of one, I know which is more indicative of the truth.
Opinion polls by and large tend to be no more than 2,000 not tens of thousands. The truth is love it or hate it a binding referendum said leave and leave we must or democracy has gone
It was an adcisory referendum. - think of it as information. The official campaign was for leave to be only under certain circumstances ie. To only leave with a deal. No other form of leaving was included and one type of leaving - without any deal, was explicitly excluded as an option that was being voted for.
People were told that the referendum did NOT include voting for a no deal departure. There is no democratic agreement for leaving without a deal.
Go back to 2016 and review referendum materials.
It's still the case that the sovereignty of parliament holds, to ensure that those elected representatives of the people must represent our best interests. You'd expect that. Parliament must represent us based on the position in 2019, where much more is now known and it's very different to 2016."Again, This is wrong | |||
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"It's another delusion, Shag. The UK has been a brake on ever-closer union for 50 years. The brake is about to be removed. "That is right it is a delusion from the brexiters and yes, it is the british union that is close to a brake up. | |||
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"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached? so you live in spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all? "And all those 'many nationalities' represent the feeling of the Spanish people? ...or just ex-pats who happen to be living in Spain? | |||
"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached? so you live in spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all?
And all those 'many nationalities' represent the feeling of the Spanish people?
...or just ex-pats who happen to be living in Spain?
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"Contained in Dover? That's interesting because I live in Spain and there are many nationalities here that have voiced there opinions. So it seems the Dover security gate has been breached? so you live in spain... so you took advantage of "freedom of movement" that is now going to be denied to us..... irony at all?
And all those 'many nationalities' represent the feeling of the Spanish people?
...or just ex-pats who happen to be living in Spain?
"Clearly I need to be specific. German, French. Belgians, Spanish, Italian, Swiss and Swedish. Fyi most ex pat's Brits are against Brexit. Hope that clears it up for you. And in case your wondering we are all members of a multi cultural tennis club. | |||
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"Never mind opinions, look at the surveys. Satisfaction ratings with the EU are 60% and beyond. This anti-EU disease the Brexiteers hope will infect the rest of Europe has been contained at Dover. And after seeing how destabilised the UK has become by it all, I doubt anyone is in a rush to head down the same rabbit hole as the British. " Even Le Pen's National Front in France are getting less enthusiastic about a Frexit than before. | |||
"Presumably some of that is money the uk has already contributed to the Eu
When a vandal damages the neighbour's property, you'd expect the vandal to pay for the damage.
This is no different.
Deliberately crashing out of the EU, severing every legal link overnight and reinstating every barrier that people spent 50 years taking down, is an act of economic and social vandalism.
I don't agree.
Yes there will be economic damage all round by a no deal but it's the UK's sovereign right to choose how and when we leave. "How about my right to be told that crashing out without a deal and the consequences of that when we came to vote in the referendum? Being told lies doesn't add to my sovereignty! | |||
