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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
simple question.... how many tories will rebel against johnson tomorrow?
just put down a number... closest wins... you become king/queen of the political forum for 24hrs!
the house rises at 2.30 tomorrow... but there is foreign office questions, then followed by bojo statement on G7 and Gove statement on no deal brexit prep...
debate should start at 4pm ish... and will go on for a minimum of 3hrs....
go.........
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hmmm, you think any of those Tories have any principles they’re actually willing to sacrifice their careers over Fabio ?
Good luck with that assumption x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think there are 6 for whom Johnson plus brexit's trajectory are already declared rebels regardless.
I'm going to say there are 10 more who are waiting to see what is done by the opposition to see how they can game it. |
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Don't know.
But my gut is split, over 3 but under 10 or over 70 but less than 180 (I think if there is a real revolt even some of those who supported BoJo in the leadership contest will desert him). It all depends on how many put their big boy and girl panties on, and whether the sight of a group of Tory former ministerial grandees crossing the floor to vote against the government causes a domino effect. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"Is abstaining counted as a vote against "
It depends which side wins the vote. But if you abstain from voting, then you have no right to complain about the outcome or consequences of that vote. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Is abstaining counted as a vote against "
When the Government has a majority of one, the effect is basically the same - 2 abstentions and it's an away win!
Some Tory MPs will find it easier to abstain than to have to justify why they voted with Corbyn and Labour.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Justine Greening to stand down from Parliament, so there's one who doesn't care about deselection in the slightest.
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I think there's at least seven Conservative MPs that have publically stated that they will defy the PM.
Should one of the heavyweights such as Hammond or Gauke go that way, then that might encourage more to cross over. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Justine Greening to stand down from Parliament, so there's one who doesn't care about deselection in the slightest.
I think there's at least seven Conservative MPs that have publically stated that they will defy the PM.
Should one of the heavyweights such as Hammond or Gauke go that way, then that might encourage more to cross over. "
Hammond will defy the Government, as will Sam Gyminah and quite possibly Sir Nicolas Soames. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yes, Hammond basically accused Johnson of lying about his intention towards new negotiations with Brussels.
And he laid into the "entryists" now running the party - Cummings is not even a member of the party, apparently.
This is the Brexit Party, not the Conservative and Unionist Party.
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
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Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
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But is their idea of Conservatism nearer the Lib Dems, or nearer to what we have now?
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
But is their idea of Conservatism nearer the Lib Dems, or nearer to what we have now?
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Thats a question that should be answered through the ballot box.
It is not for one individual to unilaterally take a personal decision that is in conflict with the manifesto and policy upon which they were elected to become an MP.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
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It is very very funny though . I bet your glad you didn’t vote  |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
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I have been asked for a ruling because obviously he would have rebelled but has now defected....
so i propose we bring down everyone who had guess before now... by 1..... to make it fair..... |
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
I have been asked for a ruling because obviously he would have rebelled but has now defected....
so i propose we bring down everyone who had guess before now... by 1..... to make it fair....."
What about the conservative MPs who have come out today to confirm they will not be standing at the next election? deduct those also?
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
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. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election |
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election"
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
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It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ?? |
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ?? "
a great deal at the moment is no deal.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??
a great deal at the moment is no deal.
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At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left? . I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this |
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??
a great deal at the moment is no deal.
At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left? . I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this "
Same answer I gave in the other thread.....
deal or no deal has always been there ... right from the start
Bet your a bit pissed off you didn't realise this when you voted? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's started. Bracknell MP, Phillip Lee, has crossed to the Lib Dems
Really very very wrong
71% of Constituents of Bracknell voted in 2017 - 59% voted Conservative winning with a majority of 16,000.
They now have a LibDem MP - in 2017 only 4,000 constituents voted LibDem (7.5%)
2016 Referendum - 76% turnout - 54% voted to leave.
They are now represented by an MP who has joined a party who has the policy of stopping Brexit
Democracy.... we have no democracy!
. The figures in Streatham are that 38,212 voted Labour but now have a LibDem MP ( 3,611 ) , so I do think that "crossing the floor" should lead to a by-election
Sarah Wollaston is another - 26,972 voted Conservative, but now have a LibDem Mp (6,466)
It is funny. When are we getting this great deal ??
a great deal at the moment is no deal.
At the moment? Was it a great deal 3 years ago when we left? . I bet your glad you not one of the fools who voted for this
Same answer I gave in the other thread.....
deal or no deal has always been there ... right from the start
Bet your a bit pissed off you didn't realise this when you voted?"
Who said I voted?? This is a fuck site forum? Don’t believe anything you read on here ? |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Will be interesting to see the names of the Tory MPs who have the whip withdrawn and are expelled from the party, and compare it to the list of those that voted against the government tonight."
i think they will balked and not do it tonight and give them one last chance not to vote for the benn bill tomorrow....
having no working majority by 1 is bad.... having now working majority by 20 is a lot worse....
now if i was labour... no way would i fall for bojo trying to get a GE under FTA now....
get this thru first.....
make them squirm for a week to see what happens with the prorogue court cases....
then you can put so many conditions on getting the GE thru parliament you can make bojo basically piss in the wind and then go for your GE in December..... |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"Will be interesting to see the names of the Tory MPs who have the whip withdrawn and are expelled from the party, and compare it to the list of those that voted against the government tonight.
i think they will balked and not do it tonight and give them one last chance not to vote for the benn bill tomorrow....
having no working majority by 1 is bad.... having now working majority by 20 is a lot worse....
now if i was labour... no way would i fall for bojo trying to get a GE under FTA now....
get this thru first.....
make them squirm for a week to see what happens with the prorogue court cases....
then you can put so many conditions on getting the GE thru parliament you can make bojo basically piss in the wind and then go for your GE in December....."
. , , 2 former chancellors , the father of the house and Churcill's grandson all sacked |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
" , , 2 former chancellors , the father of the house and Churcill's grandson all sacked "
Sacked for refusing to support the PM by people who, um, er, refused to support the previous PM.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?
I thought it was 21 (+ Phillip Lee, who was a Lib Dem by the time of the vote) ?
Do I get a prize?
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A hearty well done
Admittedly I never saw the Nicholas Soames rebellion coming. |
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"Sara J (23) closest to 22 ?
I thought it was 21 (+ Phillip Lee, who was a Lib Dem by the time of the vote) ?
Do I get a prize?
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Fabio ruled that as Philip Lee defected at the last minute, and he would definitely have been a rebel, then the total would be +1.
I think Fabio originally mentioned the prize would be ruler of politics forum for a day
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"dame caroline spelman rebels during the benn bill 2nd reading at this point... so i assume she will also lose the conservative whip...."
She voted with the government last night ... and now votes against.
Strange times |
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"dame caroline spelman rebels during the benn bill 2nd reading at this point... so i assume she will also lose the conservative whip...."
Seems she gets to keep the whip and her job...
Sir Nicholes Somes, Churchill's grandson and the father of the house Ken Clerk out but Caroline Spelman (a member of the (Conservatives for European Reform) does not. I wonder why? LoL
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