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over a year ago
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
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Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward..."
Except we are in and CAN decide,,,,part of the decision making... |
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"Will a deal ever be done or is it just scare tactics
A deal was done. It was just a crap deal.
That parliament rejected!! Our parliament
Because it was crap. Yes. "
And agreed and set up by uk prime minister!!! Best deal was not leave or get organised to prepare a deal. |
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Remaining in the EU is by far the best option. Unless you're A, trying to avoid paying tax, or B, keen to remove EU standards from UK law.
A shit deal is the next best option.
No deal is literally mental. Unless you're in group A or B as above. |
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"Will a deal ever be done or is it just scare tactics
A deal was done. It was just a crap deal.
That parliament rejected!! Our parliament
Because it was crap. Yes.
And agreed and set up by uk prime minister!!! Best deal was not leave or get organised to prepare a deal."
Yes, the pro-remain prime minister. What a shock. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should they do another election
Another election?
For Brexit?"
Well we have an unelected pm in a party who had to buy off Irish votes to carry on governing and a referendum that was advisory based on lies and downright ignorance |
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"We don't meet brexiters because they don't like us. It's easy"
But if they meet you they’d say it’s not YOU just Er other things. I work with people who voted out to stop Indians coming in!!! Indians???!!!! That’s what we are up against! Sad. |
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward..."
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost. |
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"We don't meet brexiters because they don't like us. It's easyI wouldn't waste my time trying anyway with that rather petty and juvenile attitude. So far up your own backside it's unbelievable "
Well I'm sorry but is just too easy to feel smug about being right. Being wrong is obviously upsetting and gives you a massive chip on your shoulder. |
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost."
That really did go right over people's heads didn't it!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We don't meet brexiters because they don't like us. It's easyI wouldn't waste my time trying anyway with that rather petty and juvenile attitude. So far up your own backside it's unbelievable "
Petty and juvenile ! Not knowing if they can live here? Not feeling accepted?? What!!!!!?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost."
Well said but pearls before swine I’m afraid |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
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Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost.
That really did go right over people's heads didn't it! "
If I have my facts correct...
The ec act means eu legislation must become law either directly or via our own laws.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost.
That really did go right over people's heads didn't it!
If I have my facts correct...
The ec act means eu legislation must become law either directly or via our own laws...."
Or via!?? |
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost.
That really did go right over people's heads didn't it!
If I have my facts correct...
The ec act means eu legislation must become law either directly or via our own laws...."
So what? |
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"The only thing more divisive than Brexit is this ÷"
Nothing more! It’s a disgrace! Anyone thinks Rees mogg, gove, David, priti, Johnson are people to follow?? Oh farage? Really?!! |
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"The only thing more divisive than Brexit is this ÷
Nothing more! It’s a disgrace! Anyone thinks Rees mogg, gove, David, priti, Johnson are people to follow?? Oh farage? Really?!! "
In your opinion.
Leave won the 2016 referendum and they are the only ones that intend on honouring the result.
There was only two options on the ballot paper.
Leave or remain.
Leave won.
Respect democracy and leave without a deal. The Eu won’t give us a better deal thanks to May and her remainer deal.
You can’t always get your way, otherwise it becomes a dictatorship. We can’t keep holding referendums till you get the result that you want. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A disgrace that needs to be stopped!!
Suicide
Yeah just stop it... Not good at all
People have just had enough of Europe telling us what we should be doing.
Oh, jeez. That's awkward...
Err... except they don't. Any proposals passed by the European Parliament (and not vetoed by us beforehand) than have to go through the Houses of Parliament before they are law here. They can't make us do anything. The whole 'regaining sovereignty' thing is a fallacy as it was never lost.
That really did go right over people's heads didn't it!
If I have my facts correct...
The ec act means eu legislation must become law either directly or via our own laws....
Or via!?? "
But we don't have a choice not to. Just we can write the way to put it into law (and gold plate if we want). |
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"The only thing more divisive than Brexit is this ÷
Nothing more! It’s a disgrace! Anyone thinks Rees mogg, gove, David, priti, Johnson are people to follow?? Oh farage? Really?!!
In your opinion.
Leave won the 2016 referendum and they are the only ones that intend on honouring the result.
There was only two options on the ballot paper.
Leave or remain.
Leave won.
Respect democracy and leave without a deal. The Eu won’t give us a better deal thanks to May and her remainer deal.
You can’t always get your way, otherwise it becomes a dictatorship. We can’t keep holding referendums till you get the result that you want. "
May's deal respected the referendum too. Why should MPs be allowed to have an opinion/vote in one flavour but not others... |
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May's deal respected the referendum too. Why should MPs be allowed to have an opinion/vote in one flavour but not others... "
Mays deal was leave in name only. We would have been a vassal state of the EU. It’s already been rejected three times. To bring it back for a fourth time would be pointless.
We are only left with three options
Leave without a deal(most likely)
Bojos deal (if he can get a better one)
Revoke (betrays the people and democracy as we know it would be dead)
How can we claim to be a democratic country if we can’t even respect a democratic vote in our own country? |
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May's deal respected the referendum too. Why should MPs be allowed to have an opinion/vote in one flavour but not others...
Mays deal was leave in name only. We would have been a vassal state of the EU. It’s already been rejected three times. To bring it back for a fourth time would be pointless.
We are only left with three options
Leave without a deal(most likely)
Bojos deal (if he can get a better one)
Revoke (betrays the people and democracy as we know it would be dead)
How can we claim to be a democratic country if we can’t even respect a democratic vote in our own country?"
It was leave. It just showed how ill defend "leave" was.
And the current turmoil is to allow our elected representatives to vote (and stop) no deal. Not stop brexit. |
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How can we claim to be a democratic country if we can’t even respect a democratic vote in our own country?"
Our system is parliamentary democracy. We vote for representatives and they get to run the country as they see fit on our behalf. The referendum was, and should only be treated as an official opinion poll; what we've done is replace our system with a one-off shot of direct democracy which means MPs doing what they're supposed to is somehow 'undemocratic' It's ridiculous.
The MPs should have taken the obvious show of dissatisfaction with the EU very seriously and taken appropriate steps in a thoughtful and considered manner with no time limit.
Instead we jumped on a greasy slide to the unknown which could have incredibly bad results for the country, with barely a hint of an upside beyond some vague suggestion of a return to 'the good old days'
So, I think Brexit should happen if it's truly the best thing for the UK. To do it because of people's 'feelings' or in a rushed and compromising way? Fuck no.
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How can we claim to be a democratic country if we can’t even respect a democratic vote in our own country?
Our system is parliamentary democracy. We vote for representatives and they get to run the country as they see fit on our behalf. The referendum was, and should only be treated as an official opinion poll; what we've done is replace our system with a one-off shot of direct democracy which means MPs doing what they're supposed to is somehow 'undemocratic' It's ridiculous.
The MPs should have taken the obvious show of dissatisfaction with the EU very seriously and taken appropriate steps in a thoughtful and considered manner with no time limit.
Instead we jumped on a greasy slide to the unknown which could have incredibly bad results for the country, with barely a hint of an upside beyond some vague suggestion of a return to 'the good old days'
So, I think Brexit should happen if it's truly the best thing for the UK. To do it because of people's 'feelings' or in a rushed and compromising way? Fuck no.
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It's one of the biggest mistakes that this country could make. Due to the UK's geographic position, as well as its trading situation with Europe, the UK has massive gains from being inside the EU. The public were manipulated by devious and illegal means, leading to a narrow margin in favour of voting to leave the EU, after a deal had been agreed (Leaving via a no deal, was explicitly excluded from the scope of the referendum).
The UK benefits from 60 odd trade agreements with other countries, that produce enormous benefits. It will likely to fail to achieve equivalent deals, in comparison with a huge market place such as the EU - and it is likely to take many years to attain that many deals. Until then, the UK will be worse off, hence why the £ has devalued since the referendum, costing people who travel £millions already.The market knows the risks and the £ will fall further. Many reasons that peoples' shopping will be more expensive for years to come.
People were hoodwinked into 'sovereignty' having huge importance. The UK parliament has it, which is what is now visible via the voting and law making that politicians are doing. No one has identified any EU law concept that is catastrophic for the UK.  And yet Johnson and co are very happy to make many changes and laws that are
Evidence is strongly against it being right to leave the EU and conversely very strongly in favour of it remaining. |
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