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Glasgow riot - the ugly, violent face of British nationalism
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Republican marchers calling for the eminently sensible and inevitable unification of the island of Ireland were violently set upon by union jack-waving thugs shouting anti-Catholic abuse.
Pubs were put on lock-down, police struggled to cope and were obliged to deploy mounted units, riot police and air cover.
This is the ugly face of the horrible thuggish tribalism of central Scotland, where there is a crossover of the orange lodge, nutters at the (sizeable)fringes of Rangers support, the DUP and the BNP. They also claim to be the true defenders of beleaguered  Protestantism, but never attend church.
Scotland's shame - and the sins of the colonisation of Ulster by the plantation Scots coming back to haunt us centuries later. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Republican marchers calling for the eminently sensible and inevitable unification of the island of Ireland were violently set upon by union jack-waving thugs shouting anti-Catholic abuse.
Pubs were put on lock-down, police struggled to cope and were obliged to deploy mounted units, riot police and air cover.
This is the ugly face of the horrible thuggish tribalism of central Scotland, where there is a crossover of the orange lodge, nutters at the (sizeable)fringes of Rangers support, the DUP and the BNP. They also claim to be the true defenders of beleaguered Protestantism, but never attend church.
Scotland's shame - and the sins of the colonisation of Ulster by the plantation Scots coming back to haunt us centuries later. "
Just watching the news seems that nobody was set upon.Nobody injured and no damage to any property ,its not right everyone should have the right to peaceful protest but your post is a bit dramatic. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Police Scotland say there was "significant public disorder".
Ch Supt Mark Hargreaves said: "Police Scotland has a duty to facilitate processions and any peaceful protest, but this kind of behaviour by persons demonstrating against the parade is utterly unacceptable.
"It is extremely disappointing to see people acting in this fashion, causing fear and alarm to members of the public as well as putting many people at risk."
No doubt who's to blame from that.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It is understood that specialist public order officers from Police Scotland are trying to contain a full-scale riot at Elder Park in Govan.
It is also understood that opposing sides are throwing missiles, setting off flares and trying to fight.
One eyewitness said: “The scenes I’ve just witnessed on the Govan Road is absolutely disgraceful.
“About 60 riot vans, police vans and cars, mounted police, armed police, police with dogs, riots, pubs and shops closing shutters. It’s like an absolute warzone.”
Another eyewitness said: “Well, Govan Road, right outside my window, was the scene of a truly epic standoff between the police and over 100 hooligans.
“There were over 20 riot vans, almost 100 police officers with riot shields and dogs.
“The hooligans created a huge barricade on the road, set several bins on fire before the police started to charge towards them.”
Residents also expressed their anger at the disgraceful scenes.
One said: “Absolute joke, 100 plus police I have just counted on a Friday Night. I don’t care what side Glasgow City Council have no excuse for saying that is ok. Govan is a peaceful place and most of its residents want to keep it that way.”
- Glasgow Evening Times
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The vast majority of Scots can't be arsed with the Pound Shop Nazis of the Orange Order and their ilk.
Luckily, compared to 40 years ago, they are actually on the wane and their behaviour is no longer tolerated or facilitated in the way it once was.
Eventually, they'll become irrelevant. Sadly, it'll take years yet. |
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"The vast majority of Scots can't be arsed with the Pound Shop Nazis of the Orange Order and their ilk.
Luckily, compared to 40 years ago, they are actually on the wane and their behaviour is no longer tolerated or facilitated in the way it once was.
Eventually, they'll become irrelevant. Sadly, it'll take years yet."
It takes a long time for these elements to die off in society.
Meanwhile down in England, the pound shop Nazis are on the rise. |
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"I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
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ireland erupted 800 years ago and since the late 70s 3000 people have been killed as a direct result of northern British rule. We have had some semblance of peace since the good Friday agreement. Brexit has given the thugs morons and murderers an perfect excuse to go at it again. The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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" The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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Actions have consequences.
Brexit has consequences.
But the Brextremists seem oblivious or irresponsible to the consequences of their actions.
They have become consumed by ideology at the expense of reason and evidence.
The genie is out the bottle.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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" The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
Actions have consequences.
Brexit has consequences.
But the Brextremists seem oblivious or irresponsible to the consequences of their actions.
They have become consumed by ideology at the expense of reason and evidence.
The genie is out the bottle.
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That march had nothing to do with Brexit. |
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"I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
ireland erupted 800 years ago and since the late 70s 3000 people have been killed as a direct result of northern British rule. We have had some semblance of peace since the good Friday agreement. Brexit has given the thugs morons and murderers an perfect excuse to go at it again. The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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Nobody has twisted these idiots arms to make them violent, Nobody.
The only people to blame for their violence is themselves.
If we want to start getting somewhere in society we have to stop victim blaming and realise we all have a personal responsibility not to be violent regardless of circumstances. |
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The "rally" last night in Govan by Saoradh, the group that murdered young journalist Lyra McKee, and sent a letter bomb to Glasgow University is condemned by every mainstream Irish Republican group, including Sinn Fein.
This the second time they have been allowed to march in Glasgow.
This has nothing to do with Brexit, but the snps "Ulsterisation" of Scotland.
How Glasgow City Council allowed this in spite of Police advice, is incredible. |
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The "rally" last night in Govan by Saoradh, the group that murdered young journalist Lyra McKee, and sent a letter bomb to Glasgow University is condemned by every mainstream Irish Republican group, including Sinn Fein.
This the second time they have been allowed to march in Glasgow.
This has nothing to do with Brexit, but the snps "Ulsterisation" of Scotland.
How Glasgow City Council allowed this in spite of Police advice, is incredible. "
Can you explain what you mean by snp ulserisation of scotland? as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum |
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That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"? |
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"? "
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland |
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Thank for confirming the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
Your post has done just that.
Pictures from the parade in Govan showed marchers at the front holding a large banner supporting hardline militant group Saoradh, which is linked to the New IRA.
I agree that terrorist supporting marches should be banned.
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"Thank for confirming the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
Your post has done just that.
Pictures from the parade in Govan showed marchers at the front holding a large banner supporting hardline militant group Saoradh, which is linked to the New IRA.
I agree that terrorist supporting marches should be banned.
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And what has it to do with snp? Do you also agree bigoted anti catholic orange order marches should be banned? |
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"Thank for confirming the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
Your post has done just that.
Pictures from the parade in Govan showed marchers at the front holding a large banner supporting hardline militant group Saoradh, which is linked to the New IRA.
I agree that terrorist supporting marches should be banned.
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What about terrorist supported bonfires? |
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"Thank for confirming the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
Your post has done just that.
Pictures from the parade in Govan showed marchers at the front holding a large banner supporting hardline militant group Saoradh, which is linked to the New IRA.
I agree that terrorist supporting marches should be banned.
And what has it to do with snp? Do you also agree bigoted anti catholic orange order marches should be banned?"
I see you make no mention of the unionists who started the trouble |
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"Thank for confirming the Ulsterisation of Scotland.
Your post has done just that.
Pictures from the parade in Govan showed marchers at the front holding a large banner supporting hardline militant group Saoradh, which is linked to the New IRA.
I agree that terrorist supporting marches should be banned.
What about terrorist supported bonfires?"
Uch thats part of their culture lol |
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You see what you want to see, and ignore that which you don't.
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
The "Brits out" rallying call resonates with the Anglophobic element within the SNP and independence supporters.
It is they that are directly responsible for turning Irish nationalists into Scottish nationalists.
They have brought hatred into Scottish politics & given central belt sectarianism rocket fuel by giving it the chance to bash the Brits.
Is it any wonder that there is a backlash to this? |
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"You see what you want to see, and ignore that which you don't.
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
The "Brits out" rallying call resonates with the Anglophobic element within the SNP and independence supporters.
It is they that are directly responsible for turning Irish nationalists into Scottish nationalists.
They have brought hatred into Scottish politics & given central belt sectarianism rocket fuel by giving it the chance to bash the Brits.
Is it any wonder that there is a backlash to this? "
What a utter load of crap its pretty clear you have an agenda against the snp who have nothing to do with what happened last nigh ,and il ask again do you think anti catholic marches by orange order should be banned? Ive already said both should be banned |
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"On what grounds?
Because you don't like them or that they promote illegality.
If you want to ban something, you must have good grounds to do so.
Independence marches next perhaps? "
On the grounds they are a racist sectarian bigoted organisation, still waiting your answer |
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"You see what you want to see, and ignore that which you don't.
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
The "Brits out" rallying call resonates with the Anglophobic element within the SNP and independence supporters.
It is they that are directly responsible for turning Irish nationalists into Scottish nationalists.
They have brought hatred into Scottish politics & given central belt sectarianism rocket fuel by giving it the chance to bash the Brits.
Is it any wonder that there is a backlash to this? "
Hate to tell you but sectarianism and hatred was well and truly on the go long before the snp got into power. |
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"You see what you want to see, and ignore that which you don't.
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
The "Brits out" rallying call resonates with the Anglophobic element within the SNP and independence supporters.
It is they that are directly responsible for turning Irish nationalists into Scottish nationalists.
They have brought hatred into Scottish politics & given central belt sectarianism rocket fuel by giving it the chance to bash the Brits.
Is it any wonder that there is a backlash to this?
Hate to tell you but sectarianism and hatred was well and truly on the go long before the snp got into power."
He will deny that as he has an agenda against snp |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unlike most on here i was caught up in the melee last night. It consisted of a rather poor effort by the police to contain a march where people shouted anti-British slogans and praised a known terrorist organisation which had killed thousands over the last 40 years. It was countered by a section who sang of killing said leaders of the IRA...Oh and a few songs of which i had no idea of the meanings. All in all whoever let this take place on a Friday and a pay day to boot, when the police are busy enough wants investigating.The Chief constable and the council leaders, they are incompetent and we the public suffer time to see heads roll.  |
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Meanwhile Ireland played Wales and England without a bother of trouble in Rugby.
This is nothing really to worry about, even if some slaps were given. Even if one side was a bit worse than the other. Its just handbags at dawn stuff. |
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On the grounds they are a racist sectarian bigoted organisation, still waiting your answer "
I don't think they are racist but I'll give you the other two, however they are not illegal, so there is no legal grounds to do so.
I may not like or agree with them but to ban them is a step too far.
Only if they promote or support illegality, for example, the hardline militant group Saoradh, which was marching last night.
I'd say the same for loyalist paramilitary marches too. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Meanwhile Ireland played Wales and England without a bother of trouble in Rugby.
This is nothing really to worry about, even if some slaps were given. Even if one side was a bit worse than the other. Its just handbags at dawn stuff."
yep great game well done Ireland after last week.  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"?
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland "
And the choice of marching in Govan? Knowing its the blue side of Glasgow?
They knew exactly what they were doing, and when they were doing it. |
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"?
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland
And the choice of marching in Govan? Knowing its the blue side of Glasgow?
They knew exactly what they were doing, and when they were doing it. "
Both sides do it , republican marches dont have the monopoly on that. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"?
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland
And the choice of marching in Govan? Knowing its the blue side of Glasgow?
They knew exactly what they were doing, and when they were doing it.
Both sides do it , republican marches dont have the monopoly on that. "
And should you ever want the sectarian violence to stop? |
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"I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
ireland erupted 800 years ago and since the late 70s 3000 people have been killed as a direct result of northern British rule. We have had some semblance of peace since the good Friday agreement. Brexit has given the thugs morons and murderers an perfect excuse to go at it again. The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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Nobody has twisted these idiots arms to make them violent, Nobody.
The only people to blame for their violence is themselves.
If we want to start getting somewhere in society we have to stop victim blaming and realise we all have a personal responsibility not to be violent regardless of circumstances."
You don't think driving hundreds of thousands out of the country on coffin ships is twisting arms. A death toll of close to two million in a genocide through forced starvation is twisting arms. Patroling streets with military grade weapons and a licence to kill twisting arms with reason to fight back. Fools on the streets have no business involving innocent people but to put out a blanket statement like that shows an inherent lake of historical understanding or a Tory view, they are not us and therefore they are expendable |
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"?
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland
And the choice of marching in Govan? Knowing its the blue side of Glasgow?
They knew exactly what they were doing, and when they were doing it.
Both sides do it , republican marches dont have the monopoly on that.
And should you ever want the sectarian violence to stop? "
Ban the lot of them . There is no place in the modern world for it.Enough hatred going on without fighting amongst ourselves. |
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"I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
ireland erupted 800 years ago and since the late 70s 3000 people have been killed as a direct result of northern British rule. We have had some semblance of peace since the good Friday agreement. Brexit has given the thugs morons and murderers an perfect excuse to go at it again. The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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Nobody has twisted these idiots arms to make them violent, Nobody.
The only people to blame for their violence is themselves.
If we want to start getting somewhere in society we have to stop victim blaming and realise we all have a personal responsibility not to be violent regardless of circumstances.
You don't think driving hundreds of thousands out of the country on coffin ships is twisting arms. A death toll of close to two million in a genocide through forced starvation is twisting arms. Patroling streets with military grade weapons and a licence to kill twisting arms with reason to fight back. Fools on the streets have no business involving innocent people but to put out a blanket statement like that shows an inherent lake of historical understanding or a Tory view, they are not us and therefore they are expendable "
Fuck sake everyone needs to stop living in the past and move forwards hence the reason those morons will continue their idiotic behaviour none of those idiots even know what they are rioting for it's mindless idiotic behaviour being cycled on and on.. Stop all demos, and stop all flut marches and stop this racist, you bigoted behaviour best if it is its history repeating itself and no one is prepared to pull the plug o you it.
Politicians are to afraid to be the ones that says stop.. |
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A fair bit of discussion about restricting/prohibiting marches.
But the blame for yesterdays disorder lies with the grown men who think it is ok to fight centuries old battles on our streets in 2019.
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"A fair bit of discussion about restricting/prohibiting marches.
But the blame for yesterdays disorder lies with the grown men who think it is ok to fight centuries old battles on our streets in 2019.
Exactly! It's those idiots that have no idea what they are even fighting about, but it's just an excuse to be morons
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"A fair bit of discussion about restricting/prohibiting marches.
But the blame for yesterdays disorder lies with the grown men who think it is ok to fight centuries old battles on our streets in 2019.
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Maybe shoving 10 years each up their arses for inciting violence and riots would help eradicate it, instead of the slap on the wrist usually given . |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"The British have never got on with the neighbours, basically."
Whereas the French, germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Russians, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Japanese,always have |
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"The British have never got on with the neighbours, basically.
Whereas the French, germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Russians, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Japanese,always have"
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"I was in Edinburgh a couple of weeks before the 2014 referendum when 10,000 from the Orange Order and the like marched through the centre in support of the Union.
I remember wondering to myself how violent the reaction would be in the event of a Yes vote. I still do.
The only question for me is whether Ireland erupts before Scotland does.
ireland erupted 800 years ago and since the late 70s 3000 people have been killed as a direct result of northern British rule. We have had some semblance of peace since the good Friday agreement. Brexit has given the thugs morons and murderers an perfect excuse to go at it again. The no deal farce will cost countless lives in northern Ireland but leavers just don't seem to care. It's all to familiar and not a pleasant situation at all
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Nobody has twisted these idiots arms to make them violent, Nobody.
The only people to blame for their violence is themselves.
If we want to start getting somewhere in society we have to stop victim blaming and realise we all have a personal responsibility not to be violent regardless of circumstances.
You don't think driving hundreds of thousands out of the country on coffin ships is twisting arms. A death toll of close to two million in a genocide through forced starvation is twisting arms. Patroling streets with military grade weapons and a licence to kill twisting arms with reason to fight back. Fools on the streets have no business involving innocent people but to put out a blanket statement like that shows an inherent lake of historical understanding or a Tory view, they are not us and therefore they are expendable "
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I must have missed that bit in Glasgow last night |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The British have never got on with the neighbours, basically.
Whereas the French, germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Russians, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Japanese,always have"
Clutching
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"The British have never got on with the neighbours, basically.
Whereas the French, germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Vikings, Russians, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Japanese,always have
Clutching
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Straws
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Standards and principles. |
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"That's an interesting interpretation of my post,
do you recall "What we need in Scotland is another Ulster" - Hugh McDairmed, SNP founder, honoured every year by SNP politicians wearing his white rose?
We are now reaping the seeds he sowed.
Now can you evidence the following with credible and verifiable quotes please "as im pretty sure it was ruth davidsons tories and labour who called for unionists and the outdated bigots of the orange order to vote no in last referendum"?
Your post is all made up crap as the march was organized by the james Connolly flute band and the ones who caused the trouble were the union bears a bunch of bigoted rangers fans and if you watch the videos on social media there vile anti catholic chants and calling the marchers fenian bstrds ect,and as for you trying to bring the snp in to this is just utter crap,i also think all orange order and republican marches should be banned in scotland
And the choice of marching in Govan? Knowing its the blue side of Glasgow?
They knew exactly what they were doing, and when they were doing it. "
Yip i agree its prob wrong place to march but govan is a multicultural area too also the orange order go out their way to march by chapels singing their vile anti catholic songs and spitting on preists and parishioners,when they march the only violence and trouble thats caused is by themselves and their followers as i said earlier the protest and violence was caused by the union bears who themselves are marching to ibrox tomorow there banners flyers and posters say lets march and stop the fenians think that says it all |
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"Yip i agree its prob wrong place to march but govan is a multicultural area too also the orange order go out their way to march by chapels singing their vile anti catholic songs and spitting on preists and parishioners,when they march the only violence and trouble thats caused is by themselves and their followers as i said earlier the protest and violence was caused by the union bears who themselves are marching to ibrox tomorow there banners flyers and posters say lets march and stop the fenians think that says it all "
Bingo. |
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Indeed.
December 2011: Celtic are fined £12,700 after fans sing pro-IRA chants during a Europa League clash with Rennes in Glasgow.
March 2012: A £21,000 penalty is issued after supporters set off fireworks and unveil an insulting banner aimed at UEFA during their Europa League fixture with Udinese in Italy.
September 2012: The use of fireworks at Celtic Park during a Champions League qualifier with Cliftonville costs the Scottish title winners another £4,200.
December 2013: The club are fined around £42,000 after the Green Brigade unveils "illicit banners" featuring IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands before a Champions League match with AC Milan.
September 2014: UEFA fines Celtic £15,900 after fans display a Palestinian flag during a Champions League qualifier against KR Reykjavik.
February 2015: The club are fined £7,300 after Celtic fans clash with rival supporters and Croatian police during a Europa League group stage match against Dinamo Zagreb. The fine also punishes Celtic for the supporters' use of fireworks.
March 2015: Flares set off by Celtic fans during a Europa League clash with Inter Milan at the San Siro incur a £3,600 sanction.
February 2016: A £10,000 fine is issued for using fireworks following a Europa League tie with Fenerbahce in Istanbul, although a portion of the fine related to the "improper conduct" of the team.
August 2016: Fans again flew Palestinian flags in the Champions League qualifier against Israeli side Hapoel Be'er Sheva, prompting UEFA to fine the Scottish champions £8,616 for the use of "illicit banners".
February 2017: More fireworks and crowd disturbances during a Champions League match against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium are punished with a £16,050 fine.
July 2017: Celtic are fined £20,000 for crowd-related offences during a Champions League home qualifier against Linfield, including blocked stairways and another "illicit banner" featuring a paramilitary-style figure.
October 2017: Celtic are fined £8,900 after 21-year-old supporter John Hatton raced on to the Parkhead pitch and aimed a kick at Paris St Germain striker Kylian Mbappe in the Champions League match in September.
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Very true.
UEFA do not like political statements at football matches.
Rangers have been convicted of racism and sectarianism.
Part of their ground closed this week against Warsaw, because of hatred towards Catholics expressed in Gibraltar.
Now they face another charge, for hatred against Catholics in the first leg in Warsaw.
I can see them playing at empty stadia at this rate.
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By *ara JTV/TS
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In the Bill of Rights of 1689 Parliament declared that no future monarch could be a Catholic or be married to a Catholic. This provision was reaffirmed in the 1701 Act of Settlement and remains in force to this day.
- Parliament website
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That was the English crown, the "British" crown, that you appear to despise, was unified and created under James VI/I.
It was the Act of Settlement of 1701 that provided the exclusive succession of a Protestant. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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It was the Act of Settlement of 1701 that provided the exclusive succession of a Protestant. "
Not quite.
Any religion.
So long as it wasn't Catholic.
The British crown to this day is sectarian by nature.
Someone earlier asked for a big person to step forward.
Removing sectarianism as a core value of the British crown might be a good step.
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"Indeed.
December 2011: Celtic are fined £12,700 after fans sing pro-IRA chants during a Europa League clash with Rennes in Glasgow.
March 2012: A £21,000 penalty is issued after supporters set off fireworks and unveil an insulting banner aimed at UEFA during their Europa League fixture with Udinese in Italy.
September 2012: The use of fireworks at Celtic Park during a Champions League qualifier with Cliftonville costs the Scottish title winners another £4,200.
December 2013: The club are fined around £42,000 after the Green Brigade unveils "illicit banners" featuring IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands before a Champions League match with AC Milan.
September 2014: UEFA fines Celtic £15,900 after fans display a Palestinian flag during a Champions League qualifier against KR Reykjavik.
February 2015: The club are fined £7,300 after Celtic fans clash with rival supporters and Croatian police during a Europa League group stage match against Dinamo Zagreb. The fine also punishes Celtic for the supporters' use of fireworks.
March 2015: Flares set off by Celtic fans during a Europa League clash with Inter Milan at the San Siro incur a £3,600 sanction.
February 2016: A £10,000 fine is issued for using fireworks following a Europa League tie with Fenerbahce in Istanbul, although a portion of the fine related to the "improper conduct" of the team.
August 2016: Fans again flew Palestinian flags in the Champions League qualifier against Israeli side Hapoel Be'er Sheva, prompting UEFA to fine the Scottish champions £8,616 for the use of "illicit banners".
February 2017: More fireworks and crowd disturbances during a Champions League match against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium are punished with a £16,050 fine.
July 2017: Celtic are fined £20,000 for crowd-related offences during a Champions League home qualifier against Linfield, including blocked stairways and another "illicit banner" featuring a paramilitary-style figure.
October 2017: Celtic are fined £8,900 after 21-year-old supporter John Hatton raced on to the Parkhead pitch and aimed a kick at Paris St Germain striker Kylian Mbappe in the Champions League match in September.
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All that and not one charge for racism or secterian chants lol now go and put a list of the rangers fines or are you just against one side |
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The IRA were indeed sectarian.
You do you're own looking up.
From the act of settlement, "And that the said Crown and Government shall from time to time descend to and be enjoyed by such Person or Persons being Protestants as should have inherited." |
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"The IRA were indeed sectarian.
You do you're own looking up.
From the act of settlement, "And that the said Crown and Government shall from time to time descend to and be enjoyed by such Person or Persons being Protestants as should have inherited." "
Cant be arsed your getting boring now same crap in every post you have an agenda against snp nationalists il say it again the trouble was caused by the union bears and all the videos online show the police charging them so are you condoning their behaviour |
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Don't panic, the current generation are generation idiots, the only thing they can pass on is STDs,I very much doubt they'll pass on 300 year old bitterness. |
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"Of course you are completely open minded, and have no axe to grind. "
My problem is with your first comment of the ulserisation of scotland by the snp which you know is a lot of crap |
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"Indeed.
December 2011: Celtic are fined £12,700 after fans sing pro-IRA chants during a Europa League clash with Rennes in Glasgow.
March 2012: A £21,000 penalty is issued after supporters set off fireworks and unveil an insulting banner aimed at UEFA during their Europa League fixture with Udinese in Italy.
September 2012: The use of fireworks at Celtic Park during a Champions League qualifier with Cliftonville costs the Scottish title winners another £4,200.
December 2013: The club are fined around £42,000 after the Green Brigade unveils "illicit banners" featuring IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands before a Champions League match with AC Milan.
September 2014: UEFA fines Celtic £15,900 after fans display a Palestinian flag during a Champions League qualifier against KR Reykjavik.
February 2015: The club are fined £7,300 after Celtic fans clash with rival supporters and Croatian police during a Europa League group stage match against Dinamo Zagreb. The fine also punishes Celtic for the supporters' use of fireworks.
March 2015: Flares set off by Celtic fans during a Europa League clash with Inter Milan at the San Siro incur a £3,600 sanction.
February 2016: A £10,000 fine is issued for using fireworks following a Europa League tie with Fenerbahce in Istanbul, although a portion of the fine related to the "improper conduct" of the team.
August 2016: Fans again flew Palestinian flags in the Champions League qualifier against Israeli side Hapoel Be'er Sheva, prompting UEFA to fine the Scottish champions £8,616 for the use of "illicit banners".
February 2017: More fireworks and crowd disturbances during a Champions League match against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium are punished with a £16,050 fine.
July 2017: Celtic are fined £20,000 for crowd-related offences during a Champions League home qualifier against Linfield, including blocked stairways and another "illicit banner" featuring a paramilitary-style figure.
October 2017: Celtic are fined £8,900 after 21-year-old supporter John Hatton raced on to the Parkhead pitch and aimed a kick at Paris St Germain striker Kylian Mbappe in the Champions League match in September.
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Are Rangers better behaved because they can't afford the fines? LOL |
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"Fuck sake everyone needs to stop living in the past and move forwards hence the reason those morons will continue their idiotic behaviour none of those idiots even know what they are rioting for it's mindless idiotic behaviour being cycled on and on.. Stop all demos, and stop all flut marches and stop this racist, you bigoted behaviour best if it is its history repeating itself and no one is prepared to pull the plug o you it.
Politicians are to afraid to be the ones that says stop.. "
I'll do you a deal, I will personally stop Irish people learning their history and living in the past, when British people stop quoting Churchill and wearing poppies every year.
Deal?
Irish people broke the cycle while remembering all the bad things that happened. A little fight in glasgow does not change that.
But speaking of history repeating. Irish history says that the UK will cause a border to be built, break agreements with them, and clamp down on catholics in the north. |
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I'll do you a deal, I will personally stop Irish people learning their history and living in the past, when British people stop quoting Churchill and wearing poppies every year.
Deal?
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"Fuck sake everyone needs to stop living in the past and move forwards hence the reason those morons will continue their idiotic behaviour none of those idiots even know what they are rioting for it's mindless idiotic behaviour being cycled on and on.. Stop all demos, and stop all flut marches and stop this racist, you bigoted behaviour best if it is its history repeating itself and no one is prepared to pull the plug o you it.
Politicians are to afraid to be the ones that says stop..
I'll do you a deal, I will personally stop Irish people learning their history and living in the past, when British people stop quoting Churchill and wearing poppies every year.
Deal?
Irish people broke the cycle while remembering all the bad things that happened. A little fight in glasgow does not change that.
But speaking of history repeating. Irish history says that the UK will cause a border to be built, break agreements with them, and clamp down on catholics in the north. "
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There's nothing wrong with learning history and living in the past, it's when people dive into violence where the problems start.
If an orange march makes somebody take a gun and shoot somebody the problem really isn't the march, it's the bellend with the gun to blame. What somebody's great great great grandaddy did to somebody else's great great great grandaddy is history and bears nothing at all on somebodys life today and certainly doesn't justify any violence, those that think it does need there bumps feeling. |
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