FabSwingers.com > Forums > Politics > General Election sweepstake
General Election sweepstake
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Roll up, Roll up!
Roll the dice and give a date.
I think Thursday, October 31.
(a prize for the winner  )"
i think you could be right if boris doesn't get a deal when the eu council meet around 17th i think (cant remember the actual date )he will call an election, that will suspend parliament while campaigning goes on and we will be by law out of the eu on the same night. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems. "
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts."
Sensible course ?? By who’s standard ? Till everyone is happy in the uk ??
Nope boris was brought to push through brexit one way or the other and that’s what he’s doing
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts."
The courts wont stop him its normal procedure to reset parliament the only way is to prove that he did it to stop them debating and intent is very hard to prove in any court. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts.
Sensible course ?? By who’s standard ? Till everyone is happy in the uk ??
Nope boris was brought to push through brexit one way or the other and that’s what he’s doing
"
Look if I didnt want a ban for posting links I'd upload every video I can get my hand on regarding what brexiteers advocated regarding NOT leaving the single market and customs Union.
There is currently a court case ongoing regarding whether politicians can Leave with no deal, as this was ruled out by Leave candidates during the referendum campaign. The only defence is the Tory 2017 manifesto which orally stated "no deal is better than a bad deal".
However, constitutional Lawyers seem to be leaning towards telling the current government to choose one of those two mandates for brexit.
The choose the referendum - no deal is off the table.
They choose the Tory manifesto - you have to re-do the referendum as no deal was not advocated for.
One of the reasons why the government is pushing for a resolution to brexit by 31/10 is because if they do, they likely outrun this court case, unless it's brought forward. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts.
Sensible course ?? By who’s standard ? Till everyone is happy in the uk ??
Nope boris was brought to push through brexit one way or the other and that’s what he’s doing
Look if I didnt want a ban for posting links I'd upload every video I can get my hand on regarding what brexiteers advocated regarding NOT leaving the single market and customs Union.
There is currently a court case ongoing regarding whether politicians can Leave with no deal, as this was ruled out by Leave candidates during the referendum campaign. The only defence is the Tory 2017 manifesto which orally stated "no deal is better than a bad deal".
However, constitutional Lawyers seem to be leaning towards telling the current government to choose one of those two mandates for brexit.
The choose the referendum - no deal is off the table.
They choose the Tory manifesto - you have to re-do the referendum as no deal was not advocated for.
One of the reasons why the government is pushing for a resolution to brexit by 31/10 is because if they do, they likely outrun this court case, unless it's brought forward."
This isn’t correct |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts.
Sensible course ?? By who’s standard ? Till everyone is happy in the uk ??
Nope boris was brought to push through brexit one way or the other and that’s what he’s doing
Look if I didnt want a ban for posting links I'd upload every video I can get my hand on regarding what brexiteers advocated regarding NOT leaving the single market and customs Union.
There is currently a court case ongoing regarding whether politicians can Leave with no deal, as this was ruled out by Leave candidates during the referendum campaign. The only defence is the Tory 2017 manifesto which orally stated "no deal is better than a bad deal".
However, constitutional Lawyers seem to be leaning towards telling the current government to choose one of those two mandates for brexit.
The choose the referendum - no deal is off the table.
They choose the Tory manifesto - you have to re-do the referendum as no deal was not advocated for.
One of the reasons why the government is pushing for a resolution to brexit by 31/10 is because if they do, they likely outrun this court case, unless it's brought forward."
So no proof then |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A minority government trying to drive through the most bitterly divisive policy in living memory against the will of Parliament . . . what could possibly go wrong?
 "
Could be worse, parliament could try and stand against a minority government, the will of the British public and democracy |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"he will announce he plans to call a general election
Parliament vote : ok
Date of election 17th October"
I wouldn't trust boris as far as a would throw him.... get the brexit date moved first... then look at the election |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"he will announce he plans to call a general election
Parliament vote : ok
Date of election 17th October
I wouldn't trust boris as far as a would throw him.... get the brexit date moved first... then look at the election"
What you worried about? if we have an election and he wins then it re affirms the referendum.Funny how all these remainers want to get the date moved 1st now before an election.Not so confident??? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"he will announce he plans to call a general election
Parliament vote : ok
Date of election 17th October
I wouldn't trust boris as far as a would throw him.... get the brexit date moved first... then look at the electionWhat you worried about? if we have an election and he wins then it re affirms the referendum.Funny how all these remainers want to get the date moved 1st now before an election.Not so confident??? "
nope because i thought knowing how desperate cummins and johnson thought i thought might be to call an early election and then change the date till after a brexit day using executive perogative....
so thats why i would say get the brexit date changed in law first then look at an election...
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
anyway... when TM made that sort of speech from the lectern a few months ago, i asked what was the point of that!!
now that johnson has done the same thing... i will say the same thing... what was the point of that statement.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"anyway... when TM made that sort of speech from the lectern a few months ago, i asked what was the point of that!!
now that johnson has done the same thing... i will say the same thing... what was the point of that statement...."
I think the lectern will be back out before the week is out...
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"anyway... when TM made that sort of speech from the lectern a few months ago, i asked what was the point of that!!
now that johnson has done the same thing... i will say the same thing... what was the point of that statement...."
More fodder for him to Uturn on in a couple of weeks.
The Tories can blatently lie time and again. And people will vote for them anyway. So it's pretty pointless him saying anything. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
All the evidence shows the public do not like being bothered by snap elections.
The "Brenda from Bristol" effect.
If Johnson is seen to push for it, he is likely to suffer.
If Johnson is seen to have been pushed, he is more likely to prosper.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"anyway... when TM made that sort of speech from the lectern a few months ago, i asked what was the point of that!!
now that johnson has done the same thing... i will say the same thing... what was the point of that statement....
More fodder for him to Uturn on in a couple of weeks.
The Tories can blatently lie time and again. And people will vote for them anyway. So it's pretty pointless him saying anything."
so just the tories lie. They are all out and out liars. I wouldn't trust any one of them. The whole lot need binning |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
12th October, assuming this may let him dismiss the influence of this week's legislation, opposing the catastrophe that would be a no deal brexit, which was never to be the brexit that would happen and thus people didn't vote for it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
He needs Labour support for there to be a General Election.
Will Labour comply?
I don't think it is at all certain they will.
By then, Parliament has made it illegal for the UK to leave without an agreement.
Is Labour's priority to take No Deal off the table - in which case, you keep Johnson in office, a puppet of Parliament - or do you let the legislation fall and take a gamble on October 14, knowing that Johnson has the power to pull a fast one and change the date of the election at a later date?
Dunno.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"anyway... when TM made that sort of speech from the lectern a few months ago, i asked what was the point of that!!
now that johnson has done the same thing... i will say the same thing... what was the point of that statement....
More fodder for him to Uturn on in a couple of weeks.
The Tories can blatently lie time and again. And people will vote for them anyway. So it's pretty pointless him saying anything.so just the tories lie. They are all out and out liars. I wouldn't trust any one of them. The whole lot need binning "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Labour's position beginning to crystallise now.
Assuming the Commons agrees legislation to make a No Deal exit illegal, and assuming Johnson comes back tomorrow to ask for a General Election, Labour says it cannot support unless the legislation is locked down.
We heard Gove at the weekend refuse to say if Government would abide by the law.
It will take until the weekend for the new legislation to follow due process.
If Johnson got his way this week, the legislation would fall and Parliament dissolves.
He also has the power to change the date of the election after Parliament is dissolved.
So there is no way I can see Labour giving him what he wants.
I hope the newspaper editors are dusting down that pic of Johnson dangling from a zip-wire.
Because after Wednesday that's what he will be.
Parliament entering prorogation with a Prime Minister completely neutralised and humiliated by the Commons.
Another victim of his own stupid red lines.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The shortest reign of a British Prime Minister (who did not die in office) is 130 days in 1827/28 of Frederick John Robinson, 1st Viscount Goderich.
If Labour can humiliate Johnson by keeping him in office against his will, and then form a temporary administration after a no-confidence vote in October, Johnson will be the record-holder.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Labour's position beginning to crystallise now.
Assuming the Commons agrees legislation to make a No Deal exit illegal, and assuming Johnson comes back tomorrow to ask for a General Election, Labour says it cannot support unless the legislation is locked down.
We heard Gove at the weekend refuse to say if Government would abide by the law.
It will take until the weekend for the new legislation to follow due process.
If Johnson got his way this week, the legislation would fall and Parliament dissolves.
He also has the power to change the date of the election after Parliament is dissolved.
So there is no way I can see Labour giving him what he wants.
I hope the newspaper editors are dusting down that pic of Johnson dangling from a zip-wire.
Because after Wednesday that's what he will be.
Parliament entering prorogation with a Prime Minister completely neutralised and humiliated by the Commons.
Another victim of his own stupid red lines.
"
Assuming the bill gets voted for, and assuming 434 MPs don’t vote for a GE is it possible a vonc is called?
What would the Brexit extension alliance MPs vote for?
Vote of confidence in the prime minister, in order to prevent a general election ?
Shameful and utter nonsense
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Vote of no confidence when the Queen recalls parliament.
Johnson can spend the break sulking.
Labour has rumbled the Monday, Oct 14 date.
It is a Jewish religious holiday.
So Johnson dissolves Parliament, then declares he has changed his mind about Oct 14 and is moving it to October 31.
Squeals of protest from Labour will be met with accusations of anti-semitism.
So, no, I do not think Labour will take the bait of a GE on Johnson's terms.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Labour's position beginning to crystallise now.
Assuming the Commons agrees legislation to make a No Deal exit illegal, and assuming Johnson comes back tomorrow to ask for a General Election, Labour says it cannot support unless the legislation is locked down.
We heard Gove at the weekend refuse to say if Government would abide by the law.
It will take until the weekend for the new legislation to follow due process.
If Johnson got his way this week, the legislation would fall and Parliament dissolves.
He also has the power to change the date of the election after Parliament is dissolved.
So there is no way I can see Labour giving him what he wants.
I hope the newspaper editors are dusting down that pic of Johnson dangling from a zip-wire.
Because after Wednesday that's what he will be.
Parliament entering prorogation with a Prime Minister completely neutralised and humiliated by the Commons.
Another victim of his own stupid red lines.
Assuming the bill gets voted for, and assuming 434 MPs don’t vote for a GE is it possible a vonc is called?
What would the Brexit extension alliance MPs vote for?
Vote of confidence in the prime minister, in order to prevent a general election ?
Shameful and utter nonsense
"
Funny though |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Vote of no confidence when the Queen recalls parliament.
Johnson can spend the break sulking.
Labour has rumbled the Monday, Oct 14 date.
It is a Jewish religious holiday.
So Johnson dissolves Parliament, then declares he has changed his mind about Oct 14 and is moving it to October 31.
Squeals of protest from Labour will be met with accusations of anti-semitism.
So, no, I do not think Labour will take the bait of a GE on Johnson's terms.
"
That’s not what I asked ...
Vote of no confidence this week - what do labour and the rest of them vote? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The only person calling a Vote of No Confidence this week might be Johnson himself, if he loses the GE motion.
"
Exactly...
So what do labour and the rest vote then?
They vote they have confidence in the PM? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Dunno.
It does mean Johnson has lost control of proceedings, though.
Because it doesn't automatically mean an election.
14-day cooling off period to see if anyone else can take over.
A unity candidate, with a single policy to steer UK away from No Deal, will emerge.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
i think Labour's priority in this order are:
a) get a No Deal off the table and have that set in stone this side of October 31
b) A general election. This side or the other side of October 31.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Labour confirms it will not vote for a General Election until the law is changed to prohibit the UK leaving without an agreement on October 31.
It's all going rather well for Mr Johnson, dontcha think?
Where's all that chutzpa now?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
there is another scenario out there..... not that it would happen but just putting out there for giggles...
with the 21 tories losing the whip..... "in theory" a lab/snp/lib dem arrangement would have working majority of 5... if the independents were to abstain....
now... i know that wouldn't happen with corbyn being top of the ticket.... but lets say it was tom watson or kier starmer....
it would be an interest discussion we would be having right now.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"there is another scenario out there..... not that it would happen but just putting out there for giggles...
with the 21 tories losing the whip..... "in theory" a lab/snp/lib dem arrangement would have working majority of 5... if the independents were to abstain....
now... i know that wouldn't happen with corbyn being top of the ticket.... but lets say it was tom watson or kier starmer....
it would be an interest discussion we would be having right now...."
If some one could get Corbyn to stand aside and then unite them all under one banner then yes.
But how long would any alliance last before the infighting started.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
i did say oct 24th.... but i think that is going to be pushed back....
Tactically either nov 7th or nov 21 would be good to give johnson issues, and the wrath of farage!....
if they are going to keep to their word and not vote for any day before oct31st, then i think the 1st day after the queen speech it could be done is nov 21st.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Boris has played a blinder fair play
Not really - this was all fairly predictable.Not by the remain mps it seems.
Again not really, this was mapped out.
A lot were just in denial that Boris would actually drag the monarch in and make her choose between two opposing conventions. But most knew it was a probable outcome.
The current hope to set brexit back on a sensible course, as proposed by the original 2016 Referendum is a legal and legislative outcome through our courts.
Sensible course ?? By who’s standard ? Till everyone is happy in the uk ??
Nope boris was brought to push through brexit one way or the other and that’s what he’s doing
"
He didn't quite succeed |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
