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I read in the news that ex President Obama is buying a $15m beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Just goes to show that he doesn't actually believe all the catastrophic sea level rise hyperbole after all. |
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"I read in the news that ex President Obama is buying a $15m beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Just goes to show that he doesn't actually believe all the catastrophic sea level rise hyperbole after all."
Are you suggesting that the sea level won't rise as a result of climate change? |
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"I read in the news that ex President Obama is buying a $15m beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Just goes to show that he doesn't actually believe all the catastrophic sea level rise hyperbole after all.
Are you suggesting that the sea level won't rise as a result of climate change?"
No Obama is |
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over a year ago
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Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists. |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists. "
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument. |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument."
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How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!. |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!."
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask? |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!.
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask?"
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8 inches? Blimey are you sure it's only that much, I would have thought more. |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!.
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask?.
8 inches? Blimey are you sure it's only that much, I would have thought more."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I ask because I'm not a giant believer in anthropogenic change!."
Why not? All the science is there and available for everyone to read. It's published by multiple sources from multiple countries based on independent research. It all says the same thing.
The research papers are comprehensive. The evidence is rich, varied, peer reviewed and we'll established.
There is no doubt that human activity has directly caused accelerated climate change. And that the change is accelerating and due to hit the point of no return within around 20 years.
The only people presenting a counter argument are the oil companies. People who are funded by the oil companies. And one or two weirdos who believe that the world is approx 6,000 years old.
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!.
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask?.
8 inches? Blimey are you sure it's only that much, I would have thought more.
Feel free to do some research into it if you doubt this information."
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I did, I got this
Sea level rise measurement by satellite since 1993 was 80mm.
A rate of change of 3.3mm per year.
Sea level rise from 1820 to 2018 taken by measuring boards was 250mm or 8 inches (quite dramatic) but then if you look at the chart we got 50mm of that rise from 1820-1900 hmmmm not sure if that fits in with the c02 pattern as that's really the start of the industrial Revolution.
It could possibly because we'd just started coming out of the "mini ice age" of the 1680-1850 period?.
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!.
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask?.
8 inches? Blimey are you sure it's only that much, I would have thought more.
Feel free to do some research into it if you doubt this information..
I did, I got this
Sea level rise measurement by satellite since 1993 was 80mm.
A rate of change of 3.3mm per year.
Sea level rise from 1820 to 2018 taken by measuring boards was 250mm or 8 inches (quite dramatic) but then if you look at the chart we got 50mm of that rise from 1820-1900 hmmmm not sure if that fits in with the c02 pattern as that's really the start of the industrial Revolution.
It could possibly because we'd just started coming out of the "mini ice age" of the 1680-1850 period?.
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Sea level rise is not directly proportional to the CO2 content of the atmosphere. Sea Level rise is due to the expansion of the water when a relatively minor mean increase in water temperature occurs plus the additional water added from melting ice caps.
There is a significant and variable lag between CO2 ppm atmosphere content and sea level rise.
For a more direct link you can look at CO2 levels and mean global temperature increase.
Also bear in mind that CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas. Methane, for example, is around 30 times more effective at trapping heat in the greenhouse effect.
There is no such thing as a "mini ice age". Ice ages typically come around in 100,000 year cycles.
Again, don't take my work for any of this. The science is extremely well published and available to everyone.
One other thing to consider. Those who promote the non science based argument, have a lot to lose from climate change. IE oil companies. And scientific institutions conducting the research have nothing to gain or lose financially. |
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"It would appear some posters just Google things and use the answer Google gives rather than look at the real answer given by NASA  .
Your welcome"
I have no clue what you're referring to. |
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"It would appear some posters just Google things and use the answer Google gives rather than look at the real answer given by NASA .
Your welcome
I have no clue what you're referring to."
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So anyhoo this 8 inches of sea level rise in the last 200 years(not 40 as claimed by another poster) where's it come from, I don't know but it could have been from the little ice age period rebound it could be tectonic plate movement or it could be one of shit loads of other stuff, who knows that's why it's better to go of satellite I reckons (80mm in 28 years) not good but need to extrapolate it over a longer period to see a real trend as climate tends to be long trends like you said.
Point of no return in 20 years, that's not science that's a political statement, you should know better having studied this at university.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ |
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" Some politicians spend years gobbing off about the impending Glacial melts and the catostrophic rise in sea levels, and then go and buy multi million dollar beach front properties. Al Gore also owns beach front real estate. Now why would you do that with all the impending doom and gloom around the corner? Why the high level of investment, new runway, properties, etc in the Maldives, when we are told it will be under water soon?
The shear hypocracy of these people knows no boundaries.
These people can obviously afford these luxuries, that's not the issue. The issue in the back of my mind is if the sea level rises why throw millions at properties which could be a tad at risk to a rise in sea levels and become worthless? Or are they of the thought process that the sea level rise is so minimal it will never effect them in their lifetime so they do it anyway! Obviously they don't really care and it was superb rhetoric to fool the easily led masses and appease the climate change, global warming lobbyists.
Sea level rise is not the major problem with climate change.
I don't care what location rich and famous people buy their houses enough to look into this to verify the accuracy.
It smacks of distraction from the issue by the elements of the right wing media that want to avoid having to discuss the issue because they have no counter argument..
How much sea level rise have they measured since the 70s then?, is it a few feet or a few metres!.
Since 1970 mean sea level has risen by about 200mm.
Why do you ask?"
According to NASA mean global mean sea level has risen about 200mm since the 1900 not 1970. Bit of a non story really, as Obama has realised. |
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"It would appear some posters just Google things and use the answer Google gives rather than look at the real answer given by NASA .
Your welcome
I have no clue what you're referring to..
So anyhoo this 8 inches of sea level rise in the last 200 years(not 40 as claimed by another poster) where's it come from, I don't know but it could have been from the little ice age period rebound it could be tectonic plate movement or it could be one of shit loads of other stuff, who knows that's why it's better to go of satellite I reckons (80mm in 28 years) not good but need to extrapolate it over a longer period to see a real trend as climate tends to be long trends like you said.
Point of no return in 20 years, that's not science that's a political statement, you should know better having studied this at university.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/"
Why do you keep mentioning sea level rise?
That's not the main impact of climate change.
If you don't understand how science works. Then there's nothing that can be done. It's not my mission to spread knowledge.
None of what I said is a political statement. It's scientific prediction based on evidence and data trends.
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"It would appear some posters just Google things and use the answer Google gives rather than look at the real answer given by NASA .
Your welcome
I have no clue what you're referring to..
So anyhoo this 8 inches of sea level rise in the last 200 years(not 40 as claimed by another poster) where's it come from, I don't know but it could have been from the little ice age period rebound it could be tectonic plate movement or it could be one of shit loads of other stuff, who knows that's why it's better to go of satellite I reckons (80mm in 28 years) not good but need to extrapolate it over a longer period to see a real trend as climate tends to be long trends like you said.
Point of no return in 20 years, that's not science that's a political statement, you should know better having studied this at university.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
Why do you keep mentioning sea level rise?
That's not the main impact of climate change.
If you don't understand how science works. Then there's nothing that can be done. It's not my mission to spread knowledge.
None of what I said is a political statement. It's scientific prediction based on evidence and data trends.
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Well the entire thread is about sea level rise lol.
Find me one peer reviewed paper that says in 20 years we'll pass the point of no return then!.
I have a rudimental grasp of the subject |
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Here is some reading for you.
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
But again. It's not my mission to educate anyone. You either understand scientific method. Or not.
People are free to believe that climate change is not as a result of human action, the world is flat, or the sun rotates around the moon.
The problem is with climate change, people not understanding the role humans play in it, is contributing to the problem. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"I miss Mr Obama, especially the dignity with which he held that office.
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I was reading that Trump tried to ask Jack Dorsey why his twitter follower count has gone down. True or not I don’t know but it does make me smile that Obama has near twice as many followers as Trump despite Trump being “better at it” than Obama (in his own words).
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over a year ago
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"I live 2 mins walk from the sea and always vote green and I kind of hope I get to sea my property become beachfront one day.
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me too bob cant see the sea from mine but if i could it would double the value.  |
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"It would appear some posters just Google things and use the answer Google gives rather than look at the real answer given by NASA .
Your welcome
I have no clue what you're referring to..
So anyhoo this 8 inches of sea level rise in the last 200 years(not 40 as claimed by another poster) where's it come from, I don't know but it could have been from the little ice age period rebound it could be tectonic plate movement or it could be one of shit loads of other stuff, who knows that's why it's better to go of satellite I reckons (80mm in 28 years) not good but need to extrapolate it over a longer period to see a real trend as climate tends to be long trends like you said.
Point of no return in 20 years, that's not science that's a political statement, you should know better having studied this at university.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/"
Reading all of the data will provide a fuller understanding of climate heating, for which sea level rise is an effect.
Obama:s home may or may not have a future problem - I have no details of it, their plans, nor projected rises in that locality.
If someone has details of where he forecast problems exactly there, it's something to notice. Otherwise it's sounding like us non-experts trying to point a finger at him, whether or not there's anything in conflict other than our mindset.
The great thing about the scientific process is that new evidence can become available at any point, supporting a greater refinement of our understanding. Research continues upon climate heating, so that both global and more local intelligence is available. |
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"Here is some reading for you.
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
But again. It's not my mission to educate anyone. You either understand scientific method. Or not.
People are free to believe that climate change is not as a result of human action, the world is flat, or the sun rotates around the moon.
The problem is with climate change, people not understanding the role humans play in it, is contributing to the problem."
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Well you certainly aren't educating me in anything so no fears there.
Your link is the tables for the IPCC,I said have you got any scientific papers, I'm genuinely interested in reading them if you know of any? |
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When you write stuff like this.
"People are free to believe that climate change is not as a result of human action"
Well duh of course I believe that statement don't you?
I mean the climates been changing for millions of years with humans on and without humans on it, did you think it was just gonna stop coz you turned up? |
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"When you write stuff like this.
"People are free to believe that climate change is not as a result of human action"
Well duh of course I believe that statement don't you?
I mean the climates been changing for millions of years with humans on and without humans on it, did you think it was just gonna stop coz you turned up? "
Okay "accelerated climate change"
Other than creating an argument. Are you trying to suggest anything else?
The science here is solid. There is no question that human activity is causing accelerated climate change.
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"When you write stuff like this.
"People are free to believe that climate change is not as a result of human action"
Well duh of course I believe that statement don't you?
I mean the climates been changing for millions of years with humans on and without humans on it, did you think it was just gonna stop coz you turned up?
Okay "accelerated climate change"
Other than creating an argument. Are you trying to suggest anything else?
The science here is solid. There is no question that human activity is causing accelerated climate change.
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I agree on your last paragraph entirely.
Now much of that change is man made?. |
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"I read in the news that ex President Obama is buying a $15m beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Just goes to show that he doesn't actually believe all the catastrophic sea level rise hyperbole after all."
Rising sea levels only effect developing countries, populations on top of unstable coral reefs and extinct volcanoes.  |
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I have a rudimental grasp of the subject
I mean, 'rudimental' isn't even a word. But sure, you got this! "
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